IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 2 May 2008 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | <generic> orgra you there
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| 00:00 | i want to enable USB on my thin clients
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| 00:00 | ?
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| 00:10 | hyelos
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| 00:17 | <generic> guys am getting tftp error on ltsp 5
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| 00:17 | what i need to check
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| 00:18 | yestrday all was working
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| 00:18 | ?
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| 00:19 | <warren> check your services first
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| 00:19 | what distro is your server?
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| 00:21 | <generic> kubuntu
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| 00:21 | hey i reboot my server now all ok
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| 00:21 | what this mean
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| 00:21 | how i check my service
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| 00:22 | also i want to enable my USB
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| 00:22 | <generic> any idea
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| 00:22 | n lts.conf file i add LOCALDEV=Y
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| 00:22 | is that ok
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| 00:33 | <generic> warren?
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| 02:03 | <johnny> ogra, NOTE for you
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| 02:03 | The Settings Manager is a special control panel that runs on your local computer but is displayed within and accessed from the Adobe website.
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| 07:27 | <moritz> hi
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| 07:36 | <moritz> I wonder why in some cases I can see the thin clients harddisks mounted when i log in and in other cases i dont.
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| 07:50 | <moritz> somehow ltsp on hardy feels more sluggish than on gutsy.
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| 09:01 | <cliebow> Gadi:!!!
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| 09:03 | <Gadi> cliebow: !!
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| 09:03 | hows ur perl today?
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| 09:03 | <cliebow> heh..no better than yesterday..
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| 09:03 | <Gadi> did the timestamp work?
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| 09:04 | <cliebow> my $timestamp=(stat($name))[9];
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| 09:04 | that works..sometimes..
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| 09:04 | <Gadi> lol
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| 09:04 | what do you mean sometimes?
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| 09:05 | <cliebow> i dont get it.some folders cause use of uninitialized variable in concatenation when printed
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| 09:05 | works fine if run against /home/cliebow/Desktop..but not /home/cliebow
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| 09:05 | <Gadi> how about: my $timestamp; $timestamp=(stat($name))[9] if (-e $name);
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| 09:06 | <cliebow> give er a whirl
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| 09:07 | same deal
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| 09:07 | ohh
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| 09:07 | nope..
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| 09:08 | ill post what i got..at your leisure of course..
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| 09:09 | <ltsppbot> "cliebow" pasted "#!/usr/bin/perl use strict; us" (15 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/524
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| 09:10 | <Gadi> take out the second "my"
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| 09:11 | <cliebow> ohh
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| 09:12 | * Gadi thinks some of your directories dont exist | |
| 09:12 | <cliebow> crappola..same old poo
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| 09:14 | * cliebow cliebow googles ..more\ | |
| 09:15 | <Gadi> pastebot the results
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| 09:21 | <cliebow> k
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| 09:23 | Gadi:ill pastebot this but nothing is different..
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| 09:23 | <ltsppbot> "cliebow" pasted "#!/usr/bin/perl use strict; us" (15 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/525
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| 09:28 | <Gadi> I meant the output
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| 09:32 | <cliebow> k
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| 09:32 | when run against /home/cliebow/Desktop
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| 09:32 | 1195630237
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| 09:32 | vmware-server.tar.bz2
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| 09:33 | hmm
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| 09:33 | uncompress
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| 09:33 | No such file or directory
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| 09:33 | Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at ./opendirectory line 12.
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| 09:34 | the files exist..
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| 09:35 | -rw-r--r-- 1 cliebow cliebow 109 2007-11-13 16:16 uncompress
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| 09:42 | <Gadi> cliebow: where does the script live?
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| 09:43 | <cliebow> in /home/cliebow/Desktop..atm
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| 09:43 | <Gadi> you prolly want to add: $name = $directory . "/" . $name;
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| 09:44 | <cliebow> ok
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| 09:44 | <Gadi> as the first line in your loop
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| 09:44 | (ie, use absolute name rather than relative)
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| 09:44 | <cliebow> ohh..
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| 09:45 | whoohee!!
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| 09:46 | <cliebow> you ROCK!
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| 09:46 | <Gadi> heh - now clean up the code
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| 09:46 | :)
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| 09:48 | <cliebow> that is not my forte!
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| 10:21 | <warren> ogra: what kind of video card does the classmate have?
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| 10:21 | <ogra> warren, i915
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| 10:22 | <warren> oh right
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| 10:30 | <ogra> warren, any plans to do classmate images on your side ?
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| 10:30 | or why do you ask ?
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| 10:30 | <warren> ogra: if I had a classmate I would work on it
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| 10:30 | <ogra> ah
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| 10:30 | <warren> I work on anything I have in front of me
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| 10:31 | <ogra> hehe
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| 10:31 | <warren> salmon powered thin client? sure. I'll work on it.
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| 10:31 | worst idea ever
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| 10:31 | * ogra puts a toaster in front of warren | |
| 10:31 | <ogra> well, salmon is tasty :)
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| 10:34 | <warren> ogra: how's battery life on the classmate?
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| 10:35 | <ogra> 4h+
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| 10:36 | <cliebow> Thank you GadMeister ;-]
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| 10:43 | <rjune> ogra: you about?
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| 10:44 | !g
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| 10:44 | <ltspbot> rjune: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 10:44 | <ogra> rjune, i pretend to
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| 10:45 | <rjune> had any complaints of slapd going away on hardy?
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| 10:46 | <ogra> nope
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| 10:46 | but i dont do ldap in ubuntu
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| 10:46 | #ubuntu-server would be the place to ask ;)
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| 10:47 | <rjune> yup.
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| 11:32 | <shogunx> ogra... thanx for the assist last night. a few days ago, you recommended a different chroot image for the term with the atheros access point in it. since the images are @ 200megs, that seems a wise move.
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| 11:33 | how do i get an image with a different name ( i386ap.img, for example). just rename i guess would work... and how do i get that term to load that image? defined MAC listing in lts.conf?
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| 11:36 | <ogra> see ltsp-build-client --extra-help :)
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| 11:36 | --chroot should give you what you want
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| 11:42 | <cliebow> rjune:i believe i have ldap in hardy on my lappie..it does seem sort of sluggish but maybe that is just me..
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| 11:45 | <shogunx> oh... build a whole new chroot in addition to the new image. gotcha. thanx. i was just going to chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 then apt-get install the necessaries for the atheros, add the init script, and rebuild the image.
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| 11:49 | <rjune> cliebow: whenever I add a user, slapd dies
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| 11:52 | <cliebow> i habvnt tried that..seen quite a few bug reports..but sadly cant remember if anything is apropos
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| 11:53 | <ogra> rjune, did yu ask the sever guys ? there wer eplenty of chnages to simplify the ldap setup
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| 12:05 | <rjune> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/30/AR2008043003435.html
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| 12:05 | not yet.
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| 12:05 | ogra: been a busy day
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| 12:26 | <scrapbunnyserver> i know ltsp-localapps is not ready yet but are there any directions for trying it out? i really want to switch to ubuntu but i need firefox to run locally
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| 12:27 | <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ltsp-localapps feeel free to implement it :)
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| 12:27 | <johnny> local apps is available elsewhere ?
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| 12:28 | referring to your "switch to ubuntu" comment
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| 12:28 | <ogra> heh
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| 12:28 | <warren> btw, does ltspfs support stat?
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| 12:29 | <ogra> yes
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| 12:29 | <scrapbunnyserver> my lab is currently xp stand alone dells and i have tried with 7.10 and now with 8.04 to switch to ubuntu thin client set up
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| 12:29 | <ogra> scott added something to it to support it
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| 12:29 | <warren> scrapbunnyserver: how much ram per machine?
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| 12:30 | <scrapbunnyserver> 128 to 256 so localapps might not even work :(
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| 12:32 | i've seen that site ogra and think i am too much of a newbie because i need step by step directions
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| 12:34 | <ogra> step 1 finish the code :)
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| 12:35 | <scrapbunnyserver> :)
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| 12:36 | <gbolte> hi guys
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| 12:36 | I have a question about ldm, is this the right place to be?
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| 12:36 | <ogra> yup
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| 12:36 | <gbolte> cool
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| 12:37 | so when you login to ldm how dose it pass the auth to the server?
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| 12:37 | dose it actually login WITH ssh
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| 12:37 | <ogra> the default does ssh -X user@server /etc/X11/Xsession
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| 12:38 | the LDM_DIRECTX mode does ssh user@server DISPLAY=$DISPLAY /etc/X11/Xsession
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| 12:38 | with copying the xauth keys over to the session
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| 12:38 | in both cases all password handling goes through ssh
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| 12:39 | <gbolte> ok
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| 12:39 | good
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| 12:39 | <ogra> but only in the first case the X traffic is wrapped as well
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| 12:39 | <gbolte> thats what I needed to know
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| 12:39 | <ogra> the second operates pretty much like XDMCP did but still retains password security
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| 12:40 | <scrapbunnyserver> so i need to find some new apps or websites that run well on the thin client setup to get my students excited to switch from xp
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| 12:40 | <ogra> (still, i'D dont to homebanking with the second ;) )
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| 12:40 | <scrapbunnyserver> any suggestions?
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| 12:40 | <ogra> scrapbunnyserver, gconpris and childsplay
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| 12:40 | *gcompris
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| 12:41 | <gbolte> yeah in ltsp 4.2 we had pam script setup on gdm to auto log our users into edirectory so they could access public and their home dirs
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| 12:41 | that all went bye bye on our test box
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| 12:41 | when we switched to 5
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| 12:41 | haha
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| 12:41 | <scrapbunnyserver> so the issues with gcompris in 7.10 have been fixed in 8.04?
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| 12:41 | <ogra> ldm respects LDM_AUTOLOGIN, LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD variables you can set in lts.conf
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| 12:42 | indeed thats slightly ugly because you have the password in a tftpable file )lts.conf)
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| 12:42 | <gbolte> yeah
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| 12:42 | :/
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| 12:42 | <ogra> there is also an opportunity to use ssh keys instead of passwords
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| 12:42 | but you need to wait for vagrantc for explanation, i personaly never used that mode
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| 12:43 | <gbolte> we used pam script to grab the username and the users password and pass it to a script that would log the user into edirectory
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| 12:43 | <johnny> all mine are guests
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| 12:43 | so it wouldnt' get me anywhere :)
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| 12:43 | <johnny> err get them
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| 12:43 | oh noes.. somebody stole the guest login :)
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| 12:43 | <ogra> heh
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| 12:44 | <johnny> ogra.. so did you get my note earlier
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| 12:44 | or were there too many people pinging you and you missed it?
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| 12:44 | <ogra> gbolte, what you need in any case is to set up ssh's pam on the server for your edirectory setup if you maintain your accounts there
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| 12:45 | johnny, there was a sentence i saw, yes
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| 12:45 | <johnny> so.. atm.. all you could do is provide a cookie i think
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| 12:45 | <ogra> i suppose you mean <johnny> The Settings Manager is a special control panel that runs on your local computer but is displayed within and accessed from the Adobe website.
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| 12:45 | <johnny> but you'd still hve to find some way to set it ..
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| 12:45 | <ogra> the accelleration you mean ?
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| 12:45 | <johnny> yes
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| 12:45 | <gbolte> ogra, sounds like a plan
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| 12:45 | :)
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| 12:48 | <scrapbunnyserver> is there a way to mas create users in gcompris?
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| 12:48 | <ogra> ??
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| 12:48 | <scrapbunnyserver> sorry mass create
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| 12:49 | <ogra> what kind of users would you want to create in a game ?
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| 12:50 | <scrapbunnyserver> it doesn't look like gcompris is picking up the client user. for example when i try to go into the chat area it doesn't show any other users
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| 12:51 | in gcompris administration there are no classes or users set up
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| 12:53 | i'll go do some reading and playing. thanks for your help and patents
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| 12:55 | * ogra doesnt own patents *g* | |
| 12:56 | <ogra> i have parents though :)
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| 13:17 | <itais> ogra:libnss-extrausers only works editing manually the password/group/shadow files, using adduser does not work for me. am I missing something?
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| 13:17 | authentication works perfectly, but I only can add users editing those files, not using standard tools
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| 13:17 | <ogra> did you try useradd ?
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| 13:18 | adduser isnt easly scriptable
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| 13:18 | useradd is
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| 13:25 | <itais> yes, of course, I'm trying useradd
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| 13:26 | but it always answers: unable to lock password file
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| 13:26 | I have mounted /var/lib/extrausers with tmpfs
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| 13:28 | <ogra> do you use nfs or nbd there ?
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| 13:29 | <itais> nfs for these tests
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| 13:29 | <ogra> (in nfs that needs more fiddling, nbd uses unionfs on top and is writable through that)
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| 13:29 | you need to make the credetial files writable :)
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| 13:29 | <itais> yeah, that's why I've added /var/lib/extrausers to the list of copy_dirs in /etc/default/ltsp-client-setup
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| 13:30 | <johnny> and also /etc/passwd ..
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| 13:30 | it sounds like?
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| 13:30 | <ogra> and shadow and groups
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| 13:30 | then useradd should work
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| 13:30 | * ogra didnt use any nfs stuff in over a year, we dont have these probs in ubuntu | |
| 13:31 | <itais> but if I do writable /etc/.. why in the hell am I going to use libnss-extrausers
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| 13:31 | in such case I don't need it
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| 13:31 | <ogra> right
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| 13:31 | * ogra talked about useradd | |
| 13:31 | <itais> ah
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| 13:31 | so then useradd does not work with extrausers
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| 13:32 | I just wanted to know that, because it does not work for me and maybe it was my fault
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| 13:34 | <ogra> warren, http://linux.via.com.tw/support/downloadFiles.action no fedora there ??
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| 13:34 | <warren> ogra: why is their "upstream" project distro specific?
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| 13:35 | ogra: a lot of their website is nonsensical too
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| 13:35 | Bug Tracking and Forum, oops, under construction
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| 13:35 | <ogra> yeah
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| 13:35 | <warren> and their press release looked like Canonical was getting free press for nonsensical reasons
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| 13:35 | <ogra> its more a promo thing, but still fedora isnt listed
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| 13:35 | <warren> makes me wonder if VIA is getting "upstream" advice from Ubuntu
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| 13:35 | which makes me laugh
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| 13:35 | <ogra> heh
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| 13:36 | <warren> If they were serious about playing with the community they would use EXISTING infrastrutxure
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| 13:36 | <ogra> if it gets them to a 6 month release schedule that way you will too, however sily it may be ;)
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| 13:36 | <warren> X.org has a bug tracker, source control, mailing lists, etc.
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| 13:36 | <ogra> *you will win too
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| 13:36 | <warren> and what driver is this exactly?
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| 13:37 | x.org already abandoned the via driver for openchrome
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| 13:37 | <ogra> unichrome
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| 13:37 | we have three different packages in ubuntu for via (two of them supported)
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| 13:38 | <warren> this is idiocy
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| 13:38 | we will support only whatever is maintained at x.org
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| 13:38 | <ogra> well, if you dont get upstrea to egre the code ....
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| 13:38 | <warren> ?
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| 13:38 | <ogra> then you will lose a lot users
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| 13:38 | *merge
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| 13:38 | <warren> I don't know what the story is
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| 13:38 | and i'm not the owner of this component
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| 13:38 | <ogra> there are three different team working on three different drivers
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| 13:39 | <warren> yes, that is horribly broken
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| 13:39 | <ogra> each of them focuses on a certain chipset and only barely supports the others
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| 13:39 | neither of them can agree to merge the code to a single driver
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| 13:40 | its like that since over four years
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| 13:41 | not having the unichrome and openchrome drivers will lose you users .... the via driver only supports a limited set of cards and the code isnt ergeable so that you could patch it or something
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| 13:41 | *mergeable
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| 13:41 | <warren> we dropped the via driver entirely
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| 13:41 | does this new via "upstream" even have a source control?
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| 13:42 | <ogra> i thought via is the one we pull from xorg upstream
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| 13:42 | i know openchrome and unichrome dont come from xorg
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| 13:47 | <Gadi> ogra: are all 3 in main now?
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| 13:47 | <ogra> no
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| 13:47 | via and openchrome are
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| 13:47 | <Gadi> can all 3 be installed concurrently?
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| 13:48 | <ogra> no
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| 13:48 | openchrome and unichrome cant
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| 13:48 | both of them can go together with via
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| 13:48 | <warren> the via driver situation has been ridiculous for a long time
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| 13:48 | <Gadi> indeed
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| 13:48 | <warren> the fork happened because of attitudes
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| 13:48 | <ogra> thats why unichrome is still in universe
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| 13:48 | <ogra> (as the name suggests :P )
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| 13:49 | <warren> we have several openchrome developers working in fedora
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| 13:49 | <laga> upstream bitching = bad.
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| 13:49 | as in "upstream dong stupd things", not "bitching about upstream" ;)
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| 13:49 | <warren> that might have something to do with our dropping both via and unichrome
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| 13:49 | <laga> and my i key isn't working.
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| 13:49 | <johnny> in other news..
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| 13:49 | <ogra> iiiiiiii
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| 13:50 | there you got some for copy paste
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| 13:50 | <johnny> i tried flash on my 4 terminals last night
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| 13:50 | btw ogra, my issue turned out to be the fact that installing flash didn't pull in zlib32 or libstdc++ 32
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| 13:50 | <laga> ogra: thanks, already got some in another channel.
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| 13:50 | <ogra> heh
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| 13:51 | johnny, how did you find out ?
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| 13:51 | <johnny> and also gcc32
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| 13:51 | <johnny> cuz of the error of missing libgcc_s.so.1
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| 13:51 | <ogra> warren, two of our drivers come from xorg git source, one comes from openchrome.org
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| 13:51 | so i dont get what you guys are doing
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| 13:52 | <warren> I think the openchrome guys convinced ajax to abandon the other two
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| 13:52 | OH
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| 13:52 | the other two might not have been working at all
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| 13:52 | <johnny> so.. flash n the clients was really slow :)
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| 13:52 | <warren> due to libpciaccess
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| 13:52 | <johnny> nee gigabit there..
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| 13:52 | <johnny> so temporarily i just copied the flash plaery to the main user's plugin directory..
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| 13:54 | <ogra> did you disable the HW accel in the context menu ?
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| 13:54 | <johnny> yes.. didn't help that much
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| 13:55 | i'll try again when i do the gigabit uplink
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| 13:55 | still waiting to see if the internet dies again from that computer
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| 13:55 | it died twice yesterday, and once the day before
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| 13:55 | it sucked, cuz there wasn't anything in the logs to go by, or dmesg
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| 13:56 | tried restarting networking, reload the network modules, reconnecting it, rebooting the router, etc
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| 13:56 | onlything that solved it is a reboot
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| 13:56 | i'll try out tcpdump and other heavier tools
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| 13:57 | <warren> ogra: looking at x.org git for via and unichrome, both seem to have very little activity in the last yeras
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| 13:57 | <johnny> it just sucks.. cuz when it breaks.. is at the time people are actually needing it to come right back up
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| 13:57 | so i don't get much time to experiment
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| 13:57 | <warren> ogra: whatever via posted on their website isn't reflected here
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| 13:57 | <johnny> it's just.. make it work :)
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| 13:59 | <ogra> warren, i have no clue what via does there and i'm not anyhow involved with anything there, i just stubled over the website and saw that only suse and ubuntu are listed
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| 13:59 | <warren> I looked at it earlier and this is just a huge pile of stupidity
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| 14:00 | and your company is only taking advantage of this for more proprietary advantage
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| 14:00 | <ogra> nah, it makes a lot of sense for marketing :P
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| 14:00 | <warren> instead of encouraging them to do a real upstream
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| 14:00 | VIA is getting bad advice
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| 14:00 | <ogra> and its great to get a press note
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| 14:00 | <warren> I might be willing to jump in and give VIA better advice
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| 14:01 | but I know how much shit has gone on between the three via driver forks
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| 14:01 | I'm not getting involved
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| 14:01 | huge time sink
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| 14:01 | <ogra> feel free, i have no clue where viagets any advice
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| 14:01 | <dberkholz> the xorg via driver is dead... libv (the main unichrome guy) is now working for suse on the radeon hd driver
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| 14:01 | so openchrome is about the only active thing left
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| 14:01 | <johnny> warren, you are not being a good advocate ..
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| 14:01 | <warren> johnny: neither is ubuntu acting in good faith here
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| 14:01 | <ogra> ??
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| 14:02 | <johnny> warren, i'm not involved in any way shape or form with ubuntu
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| 14:02 | other than using it
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| 14:02 | <dberkholz> lunchtime, bbl
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| 14:02 | <johnny> but that wasnt' even my choice
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| 14:02 | * ogra isnt aware of any connections between via and ubuntu | |
| 14:02 | <johnny> it was already here at my work
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| 14:02 | <warren> ogra: right, it doesn't appear to be connected to you at all
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| 14:02 | <johnny> and i just don't appreciate the way you are acting in these kind of discussions
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| 14:02 | is it not constructive at all
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| 14:03 | <warren> You're correct, it would have been better to not say anything at all.
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| 14:03 | <johnny> yes.. try to remember that :)
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| 14:03 | focus on the issues
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| 14:03 | nobody here is trying to screw anybody over
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| 14:03 | <warren> Suffice to say the via driver situation is extremely screwed, and VIA's new website is showing that they totally don't get it.
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| 14:04 | <johnny> ok.. much better :)
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| 14:04 | <warren> but I think the same of Ubuntu
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| 14:04 | <johnny> you sound like #debian
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| 14:04 | which is funny
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| 14:05 | <warren> debian and fedora are very similar in our reasons why we dislike Ubuntu
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| 14:05 | <johnny> fedora should just use debian
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| 14:05 | it'd make more sense
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| 14:05 | rpm should die
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| 14:05 | * laga senses a major flamefest | |
| 14:06 | <johnny> then there'd never be debian vs fedora :)
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| 14:06 | and RHEL could do their own work :)
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| 14:06 | see.. that's a real flamefest starter :)
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| 14:06 | lol
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| 14:06 | <warren> johnny: your opinion will be taken under consideration. =)
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| 14:06 | <johnny> i don't use any of them by choice
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| 14:07 | fedora/debian/ubuntu ... :)
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| 14:07 | or suse.
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| 14:07 | forgot to mention them
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| 14:08 | <ogra> warren, there is probably 20% in debian who dislike ubuntu, the majority works closely with us on their packages
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| 14:08 | <warren> OK
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| 14:08 | <johnny> and 10% of them don't have a leg to stand on in contributions anwyays :0
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| 14:08 | to even be able to deserve an opinion
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| 14:09 | <warren> i'm trying to find the press release between via and Ubuntu
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| 14:09 | it was reeking of stupidity
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| 14:10 | <johnny> like your MOM!
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| 14:10 | ZING!
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| 14:10 | lol
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| 14:11 | <johnny> you guys should focus on the fun
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| 14:11 | for real
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| 14:11 | <ogra> oh, mom, that reminds me
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| 14:11 | * ogra looks at ubuntu MoM to see whats pending for him | |
| 14:12 | <ogra> hmm, i need to ask vagrnt about that
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| 14:15 | <warren> here it is
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| 14:15 | http://www.via.com.tw/en/resources/pressroom/pressrelease.jsp?press_release_no=2227
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| 14:15 | VIA thinks open source means "work with Ubuntu's release cycle"?
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| 14:15 | it doens't appear that they've talked with x.org at all
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| 14:16 | * Gadi wonders which of the 3 drivers they are referring to | |
| 14:16 | <Gadi> ;)
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| 14:16 | <warren> Gadi: it isn't integrated into any of the three
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| 14:17 | <Gadi> I thought it was distributed with Ubuntu 8.10
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| 14:17 | (according to the release)
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| 14:17 | *8.04
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| 14:17 | I mean
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| 14:18 | <ogra> warren, "The VIA Linux Portal will also adhere to a regular release schedule that is aligned with kernel changes and the release of major Linux distributions."
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| 14:18 | <Gadi> ah, my fault "available from VIa portal"
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| 14:18 | <ogra> can you point me to where that says ubuntu?
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| 14:19 | <Gadi> ah - is "unichrome" via's own drivers?
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| 14:19 | <warren> Gadi: more complicated than that
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| 14:19 | <ogra> originally its a sourceforge project
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| 14:19 | <Gadi> or are they just using that naming convention bec thats the chipset name?
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| 14:20 | <ogra> rather
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| 14:20 | <Gadi> but in via portal the downloads are unichrome*
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| 14:20 | * Gadi guesses that refers to chipset name | |
| 14:20 | <Gadi> and not OSS project
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| 14:20 | <warren> it appears that I'm going to have to write to tehm
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| 14:21 | <Gadi> go warren, go warren, go g o go warren
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| 14:21 | <warren> The part that I'm most afraid of here is that the driver "upstream" is fractured
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| 14:21 | <Gadi> heh - few arent
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| 14:21 | :)
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| 14:21 | <warren> what do you mean?
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| 14:22 | geode isn't fractured anymore, there is clear leadership and a single upstream repo
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| 14:22 | <Gadi> fractured driver upstreams seem to be par for the course these days
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| 14:22 | especially when it comes to X
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| 14:22 | <warren> the remaining bad player in geode (OLPC) is suffering as a result
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| 14:22 | Gadi: what are you referring to specifically?
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| 14:22 | <Gadi> yeah, I know
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| 14:22 | I dunno - just bad experiences
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| 14:22 | prolly in the past
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| 14:22 | <warren> yeah
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| 14:22 | <Gadi> and if all is now kumbaya - Im happy
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| 14:23 | <warren> I'm not aware of anything as screwed up as via now
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| 14:23 | <Gadi> I have some via boards with trident drivers that are supposed to be of lesser quality
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| 14:23 | but they ROCK bec the trident driver is much better supported
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| 14:23 | <warren> uses actual trident?
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| 14:23 | I think trident was dropped from X.org 1.5
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| 14:23 | as well as s3
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| 14:23 | because nobody bothered to port them
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| 14:24 | <Gadi> well, good to know
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| 14:24 | <gbolte> orga another question...ltsp 5 mounts local devices on the server in /tmp/.$USER-ltspfs....is it also supposed to symlink to the users desktop?
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| 14:24 | <Gadi> Im still on 1.3
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| 14:24 | 1.5 scares me, too
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| 14:24 | :)
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| 14:24 | <warren> the bitching from users is only beginning now
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| 14:24 | Gadi: there is a bug in geode that appears on Xorg 1.5
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| 14:24 | Gadi: as more distros switch to Xorg 1.5 everyone will see it
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| 14:24 | <Gadi> there's a bug that appears in 1.3, too
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| 14:25 | :)
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| 14:25 | <warren> what is it?
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| 14:25 | <Gadi> well, on my GX2 chipset, I have 2 remaining issues:
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| 14:25 | <warren> the autoconfig thing cant be fixed until nsc/cyrix are merged in
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| 14:25 | <Gadi> 1. usplash won't go away (so I have to disable boot splash)
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| 14:25 | I think this is BIOS related perhaps
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| 14:26 | 2. On widescreen displays, sometimes the display comes up weird
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| 14:26 | <ogra> yep, it is
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| 14:26 | <Gadi> ie, larger than the monitor or shifted horizontally
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| 14:26 | <warren> Gadi: ah, I've seen that
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| 14:26 | <Gadi> which is prolly that the VGA is not being kicked properly
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| 14:26 | <gbolte> ogra, hmm mines busted then
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| 14:26 | :P
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| 14:26 | <Gadi> but, that's a Jordanism
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| 14:27 | and I don't know how to fix it
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| 14:27 | :)
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| 14:27 | <scrapbunnyserver> hi again. any recommendations for thin client and child friendly games besides those that come with edubuntu?
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| 14:27 | <Gadi> and the GX gets less lovin than the LX
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| 14:27 | <warren> A key lesson here... only intel has been an honest player working actively with the upstream project, and only their driver is any good.
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| 14:27 | <Gadi> :(
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| 14:27 | <warren> everyone else has a pile of problems
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| 14:27 | <Gadi> agreed
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| 14:27 | <ogra> amd/ati is geting there
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| 14:27 | *getting
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| 14:27 | <Gadi> if only intel had a true eye towards low power clients
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| 14:28 | <warren> ogra: although not through their own effort
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| 14:28 | <Gadi> but they don't
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| 14:28 | <ogra> warren, but they give away their full specs
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| 14:28 | <warren> Gadi: EEEPC/Classmate or Atom-based things aren't low power enough?
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| 14:28 | <ogra> which is sufficient imho
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| 14:28 | <Gadi> laptops
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| 14:28 | maybe
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| 14:28 | few low-priced client options
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| 14:29 | non-laptop
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| 14:29 | <Gadi> ie, they don't release those boards as separate consumables
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| 14:29 | <gbolte> ogra, do you know what script is supposed to do the symlinking of local dev to the desktop
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| 14:29 | <ogra> gbolte, none
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| 14:29 | we dont duo such things
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| 14:29 | <gbolte> oh
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| 14:29 | hehe
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| 14:29 | I see
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| 14:30 | <ogra> either your desktop properly monitors /media for mounts or not
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| 14:30 | you can hack up ltspfsmounter on the server
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| 14:30 | its a trivial python script
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| 14:30 | if you urgently want links on desktops
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| 14:30 | <gbolte> ogra, its puttint it in /tmp/.user-ltspfs I dont think gnome is supposed to look there is it?
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| 14:30 | <ogra> its putting it in /media
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| 14:31 | * gbolte checks | |
| 14:31 | <warren> Gadi: supposedly there is a non-portable version of the eeepc
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| 14:31 | <ogra> /media/$user/<devicename>
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| 14:31 | <warren> Gadi: but they don't realize the potential of thin clients
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| 14:31 | <ogra> precisely
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| 14:31 | <warren> Gadi: the eeepc firmware fails to PXE boot if the power is plugged in during power on. funny firmware bug.
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| 14:31 | <gbolte> 12:31 kioskserv02:~ > ls /media/
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| 14:31 | madison
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| 14:31 | 12:31 kioskserv02:~ > ls /tmp/.gbolte-ltspfs/
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| 14:31 | atacd-cdrom
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| 14:32 | <Gadi> warren: exactly
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| 14:32 | <warren> Gadi: but with i915 video and passive cooling that would be a pretty decent thin client
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| 14:32 | <johnny> that is a funny bug :)
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| 14:32 | <Gadi> warren: would be excellent
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| 14:32 | <scrapbunnyserver> or any recommended thin client friendly website activities?
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| 14:32 | <Gadi> cheapest mobo like that Ive seen is in the $200s
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| 14:32 | <johnny> so.. who wants to donate some thin clients to an on profit :)
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| 14:32 | <ogra> gbolte, what distro/release is that and which desktop ?
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| 14:32 | <johnny> non profit*
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| 14:33 | <gbolte> ogra, I am starting to think that opensuse has hacked this a bunch
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| 14:33 | <ogra> aha
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| 14:33 | <gbolte> its opensuse 10.3
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| 14:33 | <ogra> suse :)
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| 14:33 | well, then cyberorg is your man
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| 14:33 | <warren> If you lose a lot of money, does that count as non-profit?
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| 14:33 | * gbolte eyes cyberorg | |
| 14:33 | <ogra> originally the mounts should now go directly to /media
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| 14:33 | <gbolte> hmm
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| 14:33 | <johnny> ?
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| 14:34 | <gbolte> ok well they hacked it to go to /tmp/.$USER-ltspfs
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| 14:34 | <ogra> gbolte, the former version used to bind mount the tmp mount to media
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| 14:34 | <ogra> o he might use an older version
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| 14:34 | and you might miss lbmount (which is the suid binary doing the bind mount)
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| 14:35 | <gbolte> I have that I think
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| 14:35 | 12:31 kioskserv02:~ > lbmount
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| 14:35 | Error: progarm not installed setuid root: Success
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| 14:35 | lol
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| 14:35 | <ogra> aha
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| 14:35 | fix that and it will work
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| 14:35 | <gbolte> ok
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| 14:35 | <Gadi> warren: do any of the eeepcs have a monitor out?
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| 14:35 | <gbolte> how do I do that again ;)
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| 14:35 | <ogra> Gadi, yup
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| 14:35 | <warren> Gadi: that's the point of the non-portable version
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| 14:36 | <Gadi> so, you can just keep it closed
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| 14:36 | or weld it shut
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| 14:36 | :)
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| 14:36 | <ogra> gbolte, chmod +s iirc
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| 14:36 | <gbolte> ogra, alright
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| 14:36 | <Gadi> so only the nonportable has it?
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| 14:37 | <ogra> me has seen only the first gen eee yet and that had a vga out
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| 14:39 | <gbolte> well that fixed that issue
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| 14:39 | but its not putting it on the desktop still
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| 14:39 | :/
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| 14:39 | <ogra> gnme ?
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| 14:39 | *gnome ?
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| 14:39 | gnome-vfs and gvfs handle that just fine
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| 14:40 | <gbolte> yeah gnome
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| 14:40 | <ogra> weird
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| 14:40 | wroks fine on ubuntu and debian
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| 14:40 | <gbolte> yeah I have a cdrom in the servers cdrom drive and it shows up
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| 14:40 | <ogra> and i think even on redhat
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| 14:40 | <gbolte> hmm
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| 14:41 | <ogra> (not sure how far warren got with localdev on RH)
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| 14:41 | <warren> working great in F-9
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| 14:41 | F-8 wont appear on the desktop but it does mount
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| 14:41 | <gbolte> weird
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| 14:42 | <ogra> 8 is using gnome-vfsi suppose
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| 14:42 | <warren> yeah
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| 14:42 | * gbolte thinks he needs to hack it to point to /mnt rather than media | |
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| 14:42 | <ogra> intresting, it worked from day one here
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| 14:42 | even on todays ancient gnome-vfs
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| 14:42 | <warren> ogra: I didn't test it myself, it might be fine
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| 14:43 | <ogra> ah
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| 14:43 | <warren> ogra: this is a 3rd hand report
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| 14:43 | <ogra> ok
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| 14:43 | <warren> in nay case F-8 is not a huge priority for me
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| 14:43 | if somebody gives me a patch I'll apply it
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| 14:44 | <ogra> yeah, understandable
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| 14:44 | <warren> brb, I have to test an X bug
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| 14:45 | <gbolte> so now wait a minute if you mount local devices like this anyone on any kiosk machine can read and write to any ones data?
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| 14:47 | <gbolte> oh wait no
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| 14:47 | nvm
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| 14:47 | <gbolte> the actual device folder has proper permissions on it
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| 14:47 | heh
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| 14:47 | :D
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| 14:51 | <gbolte> well that sucks
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| 14:51 | :/
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| 14:52 | I wonder what I need to change to make folders in /media show
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| 14:52 | er show on the desktop
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| 14:55 | I dont even know where to begin on that one
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| 14:55 | :/
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| 15:01 | <r3zon8> nm
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| 15:06 | <gbolte> :/
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| 15:13 | <gbolte> ogra, is there some special udev rules or anything that need to be on the server to make gnome mount things in /media
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| 15:13 | ?
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| 15:13 | <johnny> this seems to be a suse specific issue..
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| 15:13 | right?
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| 15:13 | <gbolte> I think so
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| 15:13 | I am not sure
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| 15:14 | I already had to suid the mounter so it would place localdev items in /media
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| 15:14 | rather than /tmp/.$USER-ltspfs
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| 15:15 | I am just wondering if there are more scripts that are broken in suse
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| 15:15 | heh
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| 15:22 | anyone know when cyberorg is around?
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| 15:22 | usually
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| 15:27 | <Gadi> gbolte: check gconf-editor
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| 15:27 | volumes_visible iirc
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| 15:28 | actually, wait
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| 15:28 | check that
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| 15:28 | that doesnt necessarily apply to ltspfs
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| 15:28 | <gbolte> hehe
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| 15:29 | I will check it and see
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| 15:29 | :)
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| 15:29 | <gbolte> pattern not found
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| 15:31 | <gbolte> oh wait
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| 15:31 | did the search weird
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| 15:31 | heh
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| 15:31 | <Gadi> nm - its in apps>nautilus>desktop but mine is unchecked
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| 15:31 | thats not it
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| 15:31 | <gbolte> yeah mine is checked
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| 15:47 | <gbolte> hmm so on ubuntu the localdev icons on the desktop look like if you were to actually put a real cd or a real device into the machine and they are not just normal folders?
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| 15:48 | I am so close to having this work I can taste it
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| 15:49 | I just need to know what ubuntu gnome dose differently so that it can mount the folder to the user desktop
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| 15:50 | I was talking to the #gnome guys and basically got that gnome will not do anything with anything unless it produces a udev event
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| 16:03 | <gbolte> Gadi, do you have a program called LDA-nautilus
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| 16:03 | ?
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| 16:06 | <warren> gbolte: On fedora I didn't have to do anything to make it appear on the desktop
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| 16:06 | gbolte: it works by showing anything that appears in /media on the desktop
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| 16:06 | <gbolte> hmm
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| 16:06 | warren, I wish I knew how to make that happen on opensuse
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| 16:06 | :/
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| 16:06 | heh
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| 16:07 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Updated_Version_For_Feisty#head-583980fa58383797a63b7bff5ca913980c0f62ef
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| 16:07 | I found that
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| 16:07 | but its for feisty
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| 16:07 | looks like they hacked together a script to make it all happen
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| 16:13 | ogra, ldm just passes the username and password that is supplied to it straight to ssh correct?
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| 16:16 | <gbolte> warren, are you on Fedora right now?
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| 16:17 | <warren> gbolte: I use nothing but fedora
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| 16:17 | <gbolte> heh
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| 16:17 | <warren> and no, I have no ideas for you
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| 16:17 | it just worked here
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| 16:17 | <gbolte> well I was wondering if gnome will create an icon if you just create a folder in /media
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| 16:18 | or sym link some folder to /media
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| 16:18 | <warren> no
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| 16:18 | <gbolte> so gnome is getting an event from somewhere
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| 16:18 | its not actually monitoring that folder
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| 16:19 | <gbolte> there must be a script that I am missing or something
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| 16:22 | <warren> GNOME does treat /media and $HOME specially
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| 16:22 | both gnome-vfs and gvfs have code that treat it specially
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| 16:22 | <gbolte> :D
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| 16:26 | its so frustrating because I am so close to getting local dev working
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| 16:26 | and yet without the icons on the desktop its un-useable
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| 16:27 | <RLa> as i understand, ltsp supports swap over nfs, does it use these patches: http://programming.kicks-ass.net/kernel-patches/vm_deadlock/?
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| 16:33 | <johnny> well.. RLa on ubuntu it would normally be swap over nbd
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| 16:33 | not nfs
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| 16:33 | <Gadi> ltsp has not supported swap over nfs since v4.1
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| 16:33 | <RLa> oh
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| 16:34 | i have system on flash card, /var and /tmp are mounted over nfs, system has no swap
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| 16:35 | <RLa> so i was looking for possibilities for mounting swap over nfs
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| 16:35 | <Gadi> the patches for it were for kernel 2.4
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| 16:35 | <RLa> accoring to this: http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/Swap_Over_NFS pathches from there would make it possible
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| 16:36 | <Gadi> when ltsp moved to kernel 2.6 we went to ltsp-over-nbd
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| 16:36 | er swap over nbd
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| 16:36 | bec, basically Jim was maintaining the patch
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| 16:36 | <RLa> no, these are new patches, from the beginning of 2008
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| 16:36 | <Gadi> ah
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| 16:36 | well, we havent looked back
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| 16:36 | <Gadi> :)
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| 16:37 | <RLa> i know, some people think swap over nfs is useless
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| 16:37 | as you can read from comments there
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| 16:37 | <RLa> it's not very important to me also, since i have only one thin client at home and i just want to save that old machine
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| 16:38 | adding memory is not an option, machine does not support it
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| 16:38 | <gbolte> heh
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| 16:39 | <RLa> i currenlty run slackware 10 from flash disk with rewritten init scripts
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| 16:39 | it has been working very well
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| 16:39 | tho it complains about some files not writable
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| 16:42 | <gbolte> https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-vfs/+bug/50554 <---this makes it look like ubuntu has done some serious gnome hacking to get LTSP to mount devices correctly
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| 16:47 | <RLa> i'm going to test this new way of swap over nfs
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| 16:52 | <johnny> gbolte, that's a small hack
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| 16:52 | <Q-FUNK> damn. just as I arrive, Gadi goes
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| 16:53 | <johnny> bb online in a bit
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| 16:56 | <gbolte> ugh
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| 16:59 | johnny, do you know if that bug was submitted upstream
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| 16:59 | or is it only fixed in ubuntu
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| 17:04 | <RLa> damn, couldn't test, forgot loopback device support in kernel
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| 17:05 | * RLa compiles new kernel | |
| 17:06 | <RLa> here we go again
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| 17:11 | <gbolte> lol
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| 17:11 | <Q-FUNK> heh
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| 17:11 | * gbolte is still trying to figure out why gnome-vfs is being lame | |
| 17:11 | <gbolte> ;/
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| 17:12 | <Q-FUNK> kernel for what?
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| 17:12 | <gbolte> brb
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| 17:17 | <gbolte> hmm
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| 17:17 | well that didnt fix anything
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| 17:30 | <gbolte> gurrr
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| 17:30 | I can not for the life of me figure out this damn gnome-vfs problem
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| 17:31 | warren, are you still here
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| 17:37 | <RLa> it's working
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| 17:38 | <gbolte> what is
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| 17:38 | <RLa> i enabled 500MB od swap over nfs
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| 17:38 | <gbolte> ah cool
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| 17:38 | good job
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| 17:38 | :D
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| 17:38 | <gbolte> I wish I could have some luck with gnome
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| 17:38 | <RLa> now let's see if it will crash after some usage
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| 17:38 | <gbolte> bah
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| 17:38 | <RLa> what's up with gnome?
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| 17:39 | <gbolte> haha well its supposed to put devices from the client boxes on the desktop
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| 17:39 | but mine dosent
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| 17:39 | lol
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| 17:40 | <RLa> hm, i have no idea how desktop things work..
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| 17:41 | <gbolte> hehe
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| 17:41 | they do work though right?
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| 17:41 | <RLa> you can't imagine how much time it took from me to get rid of carbage bin from kde desktop
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| 17:41 | <gbolte> hehe
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| 17:42 | <RLa> it was not file of course
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| 17:42 | tho everything is supposed to be file
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| 19:24 | <cliebow> rjune: i tried smbldap-useradd against my slapd in hardy..upgraded from gutsy..no slapd crash here
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| 23:23 | <johnny> so, did a new setting get added to turn on AUTOLOGIN since the gutsy release?
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| 23:24 | <vagrantc> LDM_AUTOLOGIN=True
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| 23:24 | and optionally, LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD
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| 23:25 | <johnny> you actually have to set it now?
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| 23:25 | <vagrantc> yes.
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| 23:25 | <johnny> ok
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| 23:26 | <vagrantc> but, as i said, LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD are optional.
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| 23:26 | <johnny> what does it do then?
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| 23:26 | <vagrantc> so it's overall 1 less thing to set.
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| 23:26 | defaults to the hostname
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| 23:26 | <johnny> aha!
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| 23:26 | finally!
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| 23:26 | that makes me happy :)
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| 23:26 | will that also work with the guest login?
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| 23:26 | <vagrantc> ssh keys will also work
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| 23:26 | yup
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| 23:27 | <johnny> lemme rephrase for clarity
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| 23:27 | <vagrantc> the only difference between guest login and autologin is that guest login displays the greeter with a button to log in with
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| 23:27 | <johnny> oh.. cool
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| 23:27 | <vagrantc> and it's possible to select a different user manually
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| 23:28 | <johnny> so.. this made it into hardy?
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| 23:28 | <vagrantc> i *think* so, but i'm not positive.
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| 23:28 | <johnny> well.. i can always repackage if necessary..
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| 23:29 | hmm.. guess all it needs now is timed guest login
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| 23:29 | :)
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| 23:29 | <vagrantc> indeed.
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| 23:30 | <johnny> ok.. i think i'm finally getting out of a little funk i was in
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| 23:30 | i had to give some stuff a rest for awhile
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| 23:44 | <johnny> vagrantc, the naming between ROOT and CHROOT seems a bit inconsistant
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| 23:44 | i'm having trouble understanding the logic there
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| 23:51 | <johnny> got it..
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| 23:57 | <generic> hi all
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| 23:58 | ogra u there?
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