IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 14 August 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:17 | <generalsnus> My linux users authenticate against AD, and i was trying to use pam_group.so so users that logs on would be a member of the local groups floppy/audio/fuse/plugdev. but it dosent seem to work, issuing the cmd "id" with a user only shows he is a member of the group "domain^user" anyone else tried this?
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| 02:17 | My linux users authenticate against AD, and i was trying to use pam_group.so so users that logs on would be a member of the local groups floppy/audio/fuse/plugdev. but it dosent seem to work, issuing the cmd "id" with a user only shows he is a member of the group "domain^user" anyone else tried this?
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| 02:25 | <johnny> generalsnus, you might wanna try back with that question at another time period
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| 02:25 | generalsnus, you might wanna try back with that question at another time period
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| 02:25 | not many folks about at this hour
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| 02:25 | not many folks about at this hour
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| 02:26 | prolly need a good 5 more for good results
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| 02:26 | prolly need a good 5 more for good results
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| 02:26 | <generalsnus> :/ well, this is my work hours :P
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| 02:26 | :/ well, this is my work hours :P
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| 02:26 | <johnny> not good hours for this channel tho
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| 02:26 | not good hours for this channel tho
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| 02:28 | i myself don't use any ldap/AD stuff, so i don't really have much to offer on that one
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| 02:28 | i myself don't use any ldap/AD stuff, so i don't really have much to offer on that one
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| 02:28 | you could try your distro channel, since the issue is ltsp agnostic
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| 02:28 | you could try your distro channel, since the issue is ltsp agnostic
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| 02:31 | <cyberorg> generalsnus, you can try chmod +rw /dev/fuse
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| 02:31 | generalsnus, you can try chmod +rw /dev/fuse
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| 02:32 | <generalsnus> hm.. would that add my domain users to the group fuse?
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| 02:32 | hm.. would that add my domain users to the group fuse?
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| 02:32 | <cyberorg> generalsnus, no, it will make fuse available to everyone
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| 02:32 | generalsnus, no, it will make fuse available to everyone
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| 02:33 | <generalsnus> so you mean that users dosent need to be member of the group fuse to have usb and such to automount??
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| 02:33 | so you mean that users dosent need to be member of the group fuse to have usb and such to automount??
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| 02:33 | <johnny> you could probably change udev rules to make that so
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| 02:33 | you could probably change udev rules to make that so
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| 02:33 | but it is not good practice tho imo
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| 02:33 | but it is not good practice tho imo
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| 02:34 | <cyberorg> generalsnus, i've never tried that, on suse we dont have fuse group
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| 02:34 | generalsnus, i've never tried that, on suse we dont have fuse group
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| 02:34 | <generalsnus> plugdev
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| 02:34 | plugdev
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| 02:35 | johnny: care to explain those udev rules?
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| 02:35 | johnny: care to explain those udev rules?
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| 02:36 | <johnny> generalsnus, much better tutorials out there than what i would explain
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| 02:36 | generalsnus, much better tutorials out there than what i would explain
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| 02:36 | i'd suggest that you go talk to your distro folks or read more about pam_group first tho
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| 02:36 | i'd suggest that you go talk to your distro folks or read more about pam_group first tho
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| 02:36 | or whatever it takes to make your intended setup work
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| 02:36 | or whatever it takes to make your intended setup work
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| 03:01 | <generalsnus> http://www.mibbit.com/pb/i5BME9 i came over this post and script... what do you guys think of this? will it bog down my system in any way?
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| 03:01 | http://www.mibbit.com/pb/i5BME9 i came over this post and script... what do you guys think of this? will it bog down my system in any way?
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| 06:38 | <moldy> hi
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| 06:38 | hi
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| 06:38 | SCREEN_02=shell should create a shell on vt2 of the terminal, right?
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| 06:38 | SCREEN_02=shell should create a shell on vt2 of the terminal, right?
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| 06:38 | it does not work here, for some reason
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| 06:38 | it does not work here, for some reason
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| 06:41 | <wigwam> the screen scripts don't work very well for me too...
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| 06:42 | <wigwam> the screen scripts don't work very well for me too...
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| 06:42 | after a few tries i found combination that worked for me :)
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| 06:44 | <moldy> good to know that :)
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| 06:41 | <wigwam> after a few tries i found combination that worked for me :)
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| 06:45 | <moldy> good to know that :)
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| 06:45 | what do i need to do to see local media in ubuntu 8.04?
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| 06:45 | what do i need to do to see local media in ubuntu 8.04?
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| 06:45 | or how do i check wethere this is working?
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| 06:45 | or how do i check wethere this is working?
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| 06:53 | <wigwam> local usb mass storage?
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| 06:54 | i think just mass storage drives and printers are supported... storage drives are mounted automatically and exported to network
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| 06:54 | local usb mass storage?
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| 06:54 | server just mounts network filesystem i think
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| 06:55 | <wigwam> don't know anything about how printers work
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| 06:55 | don't know anything about how printers work
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| 06:57 | <ogra> moldy, nothing, in ubuntu it works out of the box (make sure your users are in the local fuse group though)
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| 06:57 | moldy, nothing, in ubuntu it works out of the box (make sure your users are in the local fuse group though)
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| 07:08 | <moldy> hi again
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| 07:08 | hi again
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| 07:08 | sorry... did i miss an answer to my question? :)
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| 07:08 | sorry... did i miss an answer to my question? :)
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| 07:12 | <ogra> moldy, nothing, in ubuntu it works out of the box (make sure your users are in the local fuse group though)
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| 07:12 | moldy, nothing, in ubuntu it works out of the box (make sure your users are in the local fuse group though)
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| 07:12 | (my answer to "what do i need to do to see local media in ubuntu 8.04?")
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| 07:12 | (my answer to "what do i need to do to see local media in ubuntu 8.04?")
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| 07:30 | <jammcq> !seen sbalneav
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| 07:30 | <jammcq> !seen sbalneav
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| 07:30 | <lts9bot> jammcq: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 1 week, 6 days, 15 hours, 50 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <sbalneav> Cheers.
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| 07:30 | <ltspbot> jammcq: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 1 week, 6 days, 15 hours, 50 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <sbalneav> Cheers.
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| 07:30 | <lts9bot> jammcq: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 1 week, 6 days, 15 hours, 50 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <sbalneav> Cheers.
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| 07:30 | <ltspbot> jammcq: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 1 week, 6 days, 15 hours, 50 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <sbalneav> Cheers.
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| 07:30 | <jammcq> ah, good to see the bot is alive
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| 07:30 | ah, good to see the bot is alive
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| 07:43 | <laprag> jammcq: hey big boss
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| 07:43 | jammcq: hey big boss
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| 07:45 | * ogra waves to laprag | |
| 07:45 | * ogra waves to laprag | |
| 07:49 | <jammcq> laprag: HEY
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| 07:49 | laprag: HEY
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| 07:49 | <jammcq> laprag: where you at today?
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| 07:49 | laprag: where you at today?
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| 07:49 | <laprag> hiding from the rain at home
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| 07:49 | hiding from the rain at home
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| 07:49 | <jammcq> ah, rainy season?
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| 07:49 | ah, rainy season?
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| 07:50 | <laprag> heh, pretty much all year!
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| 07:50 | heh, pretty much all year!
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| 07:50 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 07:50 | hmm
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| 07:50 | we're putting plans together for another BTS in Maine
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| 07:50 | we're putting plans together for another BTS in Maine
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| 07:50 | * laprag waves back to ogra | |
| 07:50 | * laprag waves back to ogra | |
| 07:51 | <jammcq> ogra: a few guys have expressed a problem with the week that we've chosen for BTS. would Nov 6th-10 work for you?
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| 07:52 | <ogra> i think so
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| 07:52 | <laprag> i was hoping to get to test the new Fedora, but my wife keeps coming with lists of things do ;)
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| 07:52 | <ogra> unless i fall dead before
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| 07:52 | (which i nearly did a week ago :/ )
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| 07:52 | <laprag> oh
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| 07:52 | <jammcq> ogra: well, let's just hope that doesn't happen
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| 07:52 | * ogra spent a week in hospitaö | |
| 07:52 | <laprag> what happened?
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| 07:52 | <jammcq> ogra: i reas about that TIA thing.
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| 07:52 | scary stuff
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| 07:52 | <ogra> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transient_ischemic_attack
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| 07:51 | <jammcq> ogra: a few guys have expressed a problem with the week that we've chosen for BTS. would Nov 6th-10 work for you?
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| 07:52 | <ogra> i think so
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| 07:52 | <laprag> i was hoping to get to test the new Fedora, but my wife keeps coming with lists of things do ;)
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| 07:52 | <ogra> unless i fall dead before
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| 07:52 | (which i nearly did a week ago :/ )
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| 07:52 | <laprag> oh
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| 07:52 | <jammcq> ogra: well, let's just hope that doesn't happen
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| 07:52 | * ogra spent a week in hospitaö | |
| 07:52 | <laprag> what happened?
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| 07:52 | <jammcq> ogra: i reas about that TIA thing.
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| 07:52 | scary stuff
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| 07:52 | <ogra> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transient_ischemic_attack
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| 07:52 | laprag, ^^
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| 07:52 | laprag, ^^
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| 07:52 | my blood is to thick, i dont move enough and have to much cholesterol
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| 07:52 | my blood is to thick, i dont move enough and have to much cholesterol
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| 07:53 | <laprag> yikes
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| 07:53 | yikes
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| 07:53 | scary indeed
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| 07:53 | scary indeed
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| 07:53 | so, no more cigs, plenty of exercise, to bed at 2300?
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| 07:53 | so, no more cigs, plenty of exercise, to bed at 2300?
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| 07:54 | <ogra> well, no more cigs is nothing i want ... but i limited myself to max 5 a day, at least 1h cycling, drink 5l of water etc
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| 07:54 | well, no more cigs is nothing i want ... but i limited myself to max 5 a day, at least 1h cycling, drink 5l of water etc
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| 07:55 | <jammcq> 1hr on a bicycle? that's awesome
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| 07:55 | 1hr on a bicycle? that's awesome
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| 07:55 | <laga> i recently start cycling again. it's awesome
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| 07:55 | i recently start cycling again. it's awesome
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| 07:55 | * jammcq LOVES cycling | |
| 07:55 | * jammcq LOVES cycling | |
| 07:56 | <laprag> ogra: sounds good. it's a wake up call
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| 07:56 | ogra: sounds good. it's a wake up call
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| 07:56 | <Blinny> ogra: Please take care of yourself. If it's stress related, take a long long holiday!
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| 07:56 | ogra: Please take care of yourself. If it's stress related, take a long long holiday!
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| 07:56 | <laga> i bought a bike computer. i did 28km yesterday just because i loved seeing the numbers ;)
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| 07:56 | i bought a bike computer. i did 28km yesterday just because i loved seeing the numbers ;)
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| 07:56 | * laprag thinks jammcq loves WATCHING OTHER PEOPLE cycle on TV | |
| 07:56 | * laprag thinks jammcq loves WATCHING OTHER PEOPLE cycle on TV | |
| 07:56 | <jammcq> yeah, that's what I meant
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| 07:56 | yeah, that's what I meant
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| 07:56 | <laprag> heh
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| 07:56 | heh
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| 07:57 | <ogra> Blinny, surely stress plays into that ....
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| 07:57 | Blinny, surely stress plays into that ....
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| 07:57 | <laprag> you get to watch the Olympics?
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| 07:57 | you get to watch the Olympics?
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| 07:57 | <jammcq> and then I dream that I'm on the bike
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| 07:57 | and then I dream that I'm on the bike
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| 07:57 | * jammcq hasn't seen 1 nanosecond of the olympics this year | |
| 07:57 | * jammcq hasn't seen 1 nanosecond of the olympics this year | |
| 07:57 | <laprag> wow, is that possible?
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| 07:57 | wow, is that possible?
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| 07:58 | <jammcq> well, I haven't been watching much tv
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| 07:58 | well, I haven't been watching much tv
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| 07:58 | <laprag> there you go
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| 07:58 | there you go
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| 07:58 | <jammcq> which is strange, cuz I usually have the TV on at my office at home
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| 07:58 | which is strange, cuz I usually have the TV on at my office at home
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| 07:58 | but not so much lately
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| 07:58 | but not so much lately
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| 07:58 | <laprag> how's your systems development business coming along?
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| 07:58 | how's your systems development business coming along?
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| 07:58 | <Blinny> ogra: Life isn't meant to lead /directly/ to death. Have fun with it! Go outside! Forget this computer crap!
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| 07:58 | ogra: Life isn't meant to lead /directly/ to death. Have fun with it! Go outside! Forget this computer crap!
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| 07:59 | <jammcq> laprag: very well. of course we aren't moving as fast as I'd like, but it's going pretty well
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| 07:59 | laprag: very well. of course we aren't moving as fast as I'd like, but it's going pretty well
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| 07:59 | * laprag wonders about such "advice" | |
| 07:59 | * laprag wonders about such "advice" | |
| 07:59 | <laprag> jammcq: good to hear. You got staff now?
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| 07:59 | jammcq: good to hear. You got staff now?
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| 07:59 | <jammcq> there's 4 of us now
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| 07:59 | there's 4 of us now
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| 07:59 | although 1 is part time
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| 07:59 | although 1 is part time
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| 07:59 | <laprag> wow
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| 07:59 | wow
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| 08:00 | <jammcq> yeah, big time
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| 08:00 | yeah, big time
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| 08:00 | <laprag> expansion during the recession. not bad.
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| 08:00 | expansion during the recession. not bad.
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| 08:01 | <jammcq> well, it's good to be in the healthcare business. the economy goes in the toilet, but people still need to go see the doctor, and the doctor wants to get paid
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| 08:01 | well, it's good to be in the healthcare business. the economy goes in the toilet, but people still need to go see the doctor, and the doctor wants to get paid
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| 08:01 | so, that's where we come in
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| 08:01 | so, that's where we come in
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| 08:01 | and.... there's so much crap software out there, it's really not that hard to build a better mouse trap
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| 08:01 | and.... there's so much crap software out there, it's really not that hard to build a better mouse trap
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| 08:01 | <laprag> or perhaps you're a good salesman?
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| 08:01 | or perhaps you're a good salesman?
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| 08:02 | * jammcq is NO salesman. my work is my calling card :) | |
| 08:02 | * jammcq is NO salesman. my work is my calling card :) | |
| 08:02 | <jammcq> I'm barely a businessman
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| 08:02 | I'm barely a businessman
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| 08:02 | <laprag> better still, "AND your're a good salesman"
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| 08:02 | better still, "AND your're a good salesman"
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| 08:03 | * laprag thinks jammcq is slightly too humble | |
| 08:03 | * laprag thinks jammcq is slightly too humble | |
| 08:05 | <laprag> gotta go do my chores
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| 08:05 | gotta go do my chores
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| 08:28 | <warren> jammcq: http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2008/08/detroit-housing.html Detroit houses for $1?
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| 08:28 | jammcq: http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2008/08/detroit-housing.html Detroit houses for $1?
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| 08:35 | <ogra> bah, nobody on #debian-devel noticed the banner on http://www.ubuntu.com/ yet :/
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| 08:35 | bah, nobody on #debian-devel noticed the banner on http://www.ubuntu.com/ yet :/
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| 08:35 | <laga> well, why would they go to ubuntu.com? ;)
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| 08:35 | well, why would they go to ubuntu.com? ;)
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| 08:36 | <ogra> some might ... some actually are ubuntu friendly
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| 08:36 | some might ... some actually are ubuntu friendly
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| 08:36 | <laga> i never go to www.ubuntu.com and i'm very ubuntu friendly ;)
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| 08:36 | i never go to www.ubuntu.com and i'm very ubuntu friendly ;)
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| 08:37 | <ogra> i do occasionally ... to check for new banners :P
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| 08:37 | i do occasionally ... to check for new banners :P
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| 08:47 | <jammcq> warren: you thinking of buying one of those houses?
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| 08:47 | warren: you thinking of buying one of those houses?
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| 08:48 | <warren> jammcq: only if they can overnight it here.
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| 08:48 | jammcq: only if they can overnight it here.
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| 08:48 | <jammcq> the problem around here now isn't the housing, it's the mayor
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| 08:48 | the problem around here now isn't the housing, it's the mayor
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| 09:36 | <Gadi> morning, all
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| 09:36 | morning, all
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| 10:28 | <ace_suares> gadi !!!
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| 10:28 | gadi !!!
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| 10:28 | nice ot see you here.
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| 10:28 | nice ot see you here.
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| 10:29 | I was looking for some solution to sound on my concorted setup, and was told you where the expert, gadi... :)
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| 10:29 | I was looking for some solution to sound on my concorted setup, and was told you where the expert, gadi... :)
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| 10:29 | but I gathered I need just install pulseaudio and all will be right :-)
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| 10:29 | but I gathered I need just install pulseaudio and all will be right :-)
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| 10:31 | <Gadi> lol - I love how you used gadi and expert in the sam sentence... /me logs this chat!
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| 10:31 | lol - I love how you used gadi and expert in the sam sentence... /me logs this chat!
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| 10:31 | ;)
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| 10:31 | ;)
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| 10:31 | whats the concorted (?) setup ?
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| 10:31 | whats the concorted (?) setup ?
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| 10:32 | <ace_suares> Gadi oh, its very distrubed. It used like 3 layers of virtualization :-)
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| 10:32 | Gadi oh, its very distrubed. It used like 3 layers of virtualization :-)
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| 10:32 | <Gadi> SWEET
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| 10:32 | SWEET
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| 10:33 | I was virtual once
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| 10:33 | I was virtual once
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| 10:33 | made it hard to pee
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| 10:33 | made it hard to pee
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| 10:33 | so, draw me a map...
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| 10:33 | so, draw me a map...
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| 10:33 | <ace_suares> the idea is to do ssh -X to a kvm that runs on the ltsp server. Inside the kvm it runs damn small linux(not) and that runs win4lin (with sco merge).
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| 10:33 | the idea is to do ssh -X to a kvm that runs on the ltsp server. Inside the kvm it runs damn small linux(not) and that runs win4lin (with sco merge).
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| 10:33 | gadi the fun thing is that it kind of works... but now how to get sound from inside that beast all the way to the thin client ?
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| 10:33 | gadi the fun thing is that it kind of works... but now how to get sound from inside that beast all the way to the thin client ?
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| 10:34 | <Gadi> what kind of sound?
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| 10:34 | what kind of sound?
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| 10:34 | windows sound?
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| 10:34 | windows sound?
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| 10:34 | <ace_suares> gadi the sound on the server works - starting up win98 over ssh -X gives the stupid windoze sound on the server speakers.
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| 10:34 | gadi the sound on the server works - starting up win98 over ssh -X gives the stupid windoze sound on the server speakers.
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| 10:34 | <Gadi> rdesktop?
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| 10:34 | rdesktop?
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| 10:34 | <warren> why can't win4lin run on the server?
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| 10:34 | why can't win4lin run on the server?
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| 10:34 | <ace_suares> warren hi
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| 10:34 | warren hi
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| 10:34 | warren because it can't work with a kernel after 2.6.12
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| 10:34 | warren because it can't work with a kernel after 2.6.12
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| 10:34 | <warren> can't kvm run win98 directly?
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| 10:34 | can't kvm run win98 directly?
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| 10:35 | <ace_suares> warren it's the old win 4 lin terminalserver
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| 10:35 | warren it's the old win 4 lin terminalserver
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| 10:35 | <Gadi> you need: ssh -X .... PULSE_SERVER=.... <command>
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| 10:35 | you need: ssh -X .... PULSE_SERVER=.... <command>
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| 10:35 | <ace_suares> warren win4lin has provisioniong which is very nice it wipes win98 clean after aech login
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| 10:35 | warren win4lin has provisioniong which is very nice it wipes win98 clean after aech login
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| 10:35 | <warren> ace_suares: one problem you'll have is kvm's sound output is pretty broken
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| 10:35 | ace_suares: one problem you'll have is kvm's sound output is pretty broken
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| 10:35 | ace_suares: you *can* do that with kvm with a little scripting
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| 10:35 | ace_suares: you *can* do that with kvm with a little scripting
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| 10:35 | running win4lin inside of kvm seems like lose.
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| 10:35 | running win4lin inside of kvm seems like lose.
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| 10:36 | <ace_suares> gadi okay ! but do i need the pulse on the dams small linux ?
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| 10:36 | gadi okay ! but do i need the pulse on the dams small linux ?
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| 10:36 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 10:36 | yeah
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| 10:36 | <ace_suares> warren okay you are smarter then me that's well established now :-)
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| 10:36 | warren okay you are smarter then me that's well established now :-)
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| 10:36 | <Gadi> well, hmm
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| 10:36 | well, hmm
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| 10:36 | <ace_suares> gadi i figured that much in the last few days and it's probably the cleanest solution
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| 10:36 | gadi i figured that much in the last few days and it's probably the cleanest solution
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| 10:36 | <Gadi> yeah, the way you have it set up
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| 10:36 | yeah, the way you have it set up
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| 10:36 | <warren> until very recent versions, kvm would output sound only to OSS, and in a very bad way
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| 10:36 | until very recent versions, kvm would output sound only to OSS, and in a very bad way
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| 10:37 | <ace_suares> gadi tough it probably is not so easy to get it on the damn small distro :-P
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| 10:36 | gadi tough it probably is not so easy to get it on the damn small distro :-P
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| 10:37 | <warren> very recent versions of pulse can do ALSA or pulse native sound output
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| 10:37 | very recent versions of pulse can do ALSA or pulse native sound output
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| 10:37 | but that isn't even in F-9 yet.
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| 10:37 | but that isn't even in F-9 yet.
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| 10:37 | too new
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| 10:37 | too new
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| 10:37 | <ace_suares> warren i tought pulse would circumvent that ?
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| 10:37 | warren i tought pulse would circumvent that ?
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| 10:37 | <Gadi> warren: if he installs pulse in the kvm, it wont matter
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| 10:37 | warren: if he installs pulse in the kvm, it wont matter
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| 10:37 | <warren> ace_suares: not if the app behaves badly
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| 10:37 | ace_suares: not if the app behaves badly
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| 10:37 | Gadi: oh.
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| 10:37 | Gadi: oh.
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| 10:37 | <ace_suares> gadi thank you thats what i wanted to know.
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| 10:37 | gadi thank you thats what i wanted to know.
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| 10:38 | <Gadi> ace_suares: what about esound-clients?
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| 10:38 | ace_suares: what about esound-clients?
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| 10:38 | <ace_suares> gadi it's all tcp/ip there isnt it
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| 10:38 | gadi it's all tcp/ip there isnt it
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| 10:38 | <Gadi> can you get that in DSL?
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| 10:38 | can you get that in DSL?
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| 10:38 | <warren> ace_suares: running one emulation layer inside another seem like a bad idea. you should really just script running a fresh kvm image and do win98 directly.
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| 10:38 | ace_suares: running one emulation layer inside another seem like a bad idea. you should really just script running a fresh kvm image and do win98 directly.
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| 10:38 | <ace_suares> gadi i worked with esd in ltsp 4.2
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| 10:38 | gadi i worked with esd in ltsp 4.2
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| 10:38 | gadi but I think it would need me to modify the whole ltsp setup wont it ? and anyway, the stuff inside the kvm is now accessed over ssh -X
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| 10:38 | gadi but I think it would need me to modify the whole ltsp setup wont it ? and anyway, the stuff inside the kvm is now accessed over ssh -X
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| 10:39 | gadi won't that hurt anything to do with esd ?
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| 10:39 | gadi won't that hurt anything to do with esd ?
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| 10:39 | <Gadi> no
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| 10:39 | no
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| 10:39 | pulse is compat with esd
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| 10:39 | pulse is compat with esd
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| 10:39 | <ace_suares> warren good idea i'll chek it out someday
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| 10:39 | warren good idea i'll chek it out someday
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| 10:40 | <Gadi> you can use esddsp with a pulse server, etc
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| 10:40 | you can use esddsp with a pulse server, etc
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| 10:40 | <ace_suares> gadi so on the kvm how does it know how to send sound to the correct thin client ?
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| 10:40 | gadi so on the kvm how does it know how to send sound to the correct thin client ?
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| 10:40 | <Gadi> you need: ssh -X .... ESPEAKER= ... <app>
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| 10:40 | you need: ssh -X .... ESPEAKER= ... <app>
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| 10:41 | and make ESPEAKER = <thinIP:16001>
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| 10:41 | and make ESPEAKER = <thinIP:16001>
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| 10:41 | <ace_suares> gadi okay,... hmm sounds promising. Sorry for my ignorance but this means I don't have to modify the kvm ?
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| 10:41 | gadi okay,... hmm sounds promising. Sorry for my ignorance but this means I don't have to modify the kvm ?
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| 10:42 | <ace_suares> warren how much memory would 30 kvm-win98 sessions need, given that each win session has 128 MB ?
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| 10:42 | warren how much memory would 30 kvm-win98 sessions need, given that each win session has 128 MB ?
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| 10:42 | <Gadi> you just need esound_clients installed in DSL
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| 10:42 | you just need esound_clients installed in DSL
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| 10:42 | <warren> ace_suares: I don't know how to do multiplication.
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| 10:42 | ace_suares: I don't know how to do multiplication.
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| 10:42 | <Gadi> and prolly wrap the windows app in esddsp
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| 10:42 | and prolly wrap the windows app in esddsp
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| 10:43 | <ace_suares> warren because with win4lin you could run that in under 512...
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| 10:43 | warren because with win4lin you could run that in under 512...
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| 10:43 | <Gadi> lol
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| 10:43 | lol
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| 10:43 | warren: you crack me up
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| 10:43 | warren: you crack me up
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| 10:43 | <ace_suares> gadi it seems esound-clients is a .deb package, so with LUCK it might plain install on the Damn Small
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| 10:43 | gadi it seems esound-clients is a .deb package, so with LUCK it might plain install on the Damn Small
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| 10:43 | <Gadi> ace_suares: cool
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| 10:43 | ace_suares: cool
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| 10:43 | what window manager does it run (if any)
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| 10:43 | what window manager does it run (if any)
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| 10:43 | <warren> ace_suares: wow, that's a pretty specialized use of shared memory, yeah kvm can't do that.
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| 10:43 | ace_suares: wow, that's a pretty specialized use of shared memory, yeah kvm can't do that.
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| 10:44 | <ace_suares> warren thanks for acking me :-)
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| 10:44 | warren thanks for acking me :-)
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| 10:44 | gadi dsl runs fluxbox
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| 10:44 | gadi dsl runs fluxbox
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| 10:45 | <Gadi> ace_suares: if you make sure that the sound from win4lin gets piped to esd, you should have a solution
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| 10:45 | ace_suares: if you make sure that the sound from win4lin gets piped to esd, you should have a solution
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| 10:45 | <ace_suares> it's not a perfect setup tough some badly wrtitten soft on the win98 behave badly as to cpu time and graphics use
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| 10:45 | it's not a perfect setup tough some badly wrtitten soft on the win98 behave badly as to cpu time and graphics use
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| 10:45 | <Gadi> not pretty
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| 10:45 | not pretty
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| 10:45 | and may be choppy
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| 10:45 | and may be choppy
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| 10:45 | but, you'll find out soon enuff
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| 10:45 | but, you'll find out soon enuff
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| 10:45 | ;)
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| 10:45 | ;)
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| 10:45 | <ace_suares> gadi if it's bound to be choppy then it certainly will be choppy with 20 - 30 clients :-)
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| 10:45 | gadi if it's bound to be choppy then it certainly will be choppy with 20 - 30 clients :-)
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| 10:46 | the win98 uses whatever sound the host uses Dams Small). so it might be a minor problem to get esd or pulse to work with that.
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| 10:46 | the win98 uses whatever sound the host uses Dams Small). so it might be a minor problem to get esd or pulse to work with that.
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| 10:46 | <ace_suares> it isntalls a special driver in win98 that has notjhing to do with the real sound card.
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| 10:46 | it isntalls a special driver in win98 that has notjhing to do with the real sound card.
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| 10:47 | I'll walk these two ways (puls2e and esound-clients) this weekend and i'll let you know.
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| 10:47 | I'll walk these two ways (puls2e and esound-clients) this weekend and i'll let you know.
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| 10:47 | <Gadi> well, if it is choppy with 1 client, it is a software issue
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| 10:47 | well, if it is choppy with 1 client, it is a software issue
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| 10:47 | if it is only choppy with 30 clients, its a bandwidth issue
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| 10:47 | if it is only choppy with 30 clients, its a bandwidth issue
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| 10:48 | <ace_suares> can't trust anytjing inside the win98 anyway. I've seen bad things happen. One software grabbed the keybaord by doing a endless loop
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| 10:48 | can't trust anytjing inside the win98 anyway. I've seen bad things happen. One software grabbed the keybaord by doing a endless loop
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| 10:48 | which made the server cp go 100% for just 1 client and nothing I could do to fake or break that.
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| 10:48 | which made the server cp go 100% for just 1 client and nothing I could do to fake or break that.
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| 10:48 | <Gadi> ace_suares: but does win98 use OSS or ALSA output?
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| 10:48 | ace_suares: but does win98 use OSS or ALSA output?
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| 10:48 | <ace_suares> cp cpu
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| 10:48 | cp cpu
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| 10:49 | gadi it's sco merge I think that is doing the ouput. I had it working with alsa i think. it's a whole layer. I don't understand anything of it.
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| 10:49 | gadi it's sco merge I think that is doing the ouput. I had it working with alsa i think. it's a whole layer. I don't understand anything of it.
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| 10:49 | <ace_suares> But the moment I added -soundhw es1370 to the kvm is suddenly worked without doing anything to win98
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| 10:49 | But the moment I added -soundhw es1370 to the kvm is suddenly worked without doing anything to win98
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| 10:49 | is = it
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| 10:49 | is = it
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| 10:50 | <warren> what is sco merge?
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| 10:50 | what is sco merge?
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| 10:50 | <ace_suares> Problem is i have no visual picture in my mind of how sound wotks in linux (or windows). So just testing
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| 10:50 | Problem is i have no visual picture in my mind of how sound wotks in linux (or windows). So just testing
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| 10:50 | <Gadi> ah, so you can try specifying OSS output and wrapping it in esddsp
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| 10:50 | ah, so you can try specifying OSS output and wrapping it in esddsp
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| 10:50 | <ace_suares> warren something old and proprieatry that was used to emulate windows under win4lin
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| 10:50 | warren something old and proprieatry that was used to emulate windows under win4lin
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| 10:50 | <warren> I haven't successfully wrapped kvm's OSS output with anything
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| 10:50 | I haven't successfully wrapped kvm's OSS output with anything
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| 10:50 | <Gadi> otherwise, you would need it to be esd-aware
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| 10:50 | otherwise, you would need it to be esd-aware
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| 10:51 | <warren> Like I said earlier, VERY new versions of kvm can do native pulse output.
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| 10:51 | Like I said earlier, VERY new versions of kvm can do native pulse output.
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| 10:51 | you probably want that
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| 10:51 | you probably want that
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| 10:51 | <ace_suares> warren if you are interested in the general setup of my experiment: http://www.suares.an/index.php?page_id=25&news_id=212#news-top
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| 10:51 | warren if you are interested in the general setup of my experiment: http://www.suares.an/index.php?page_id=25&news_id=212#news-top
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| 10:51 | <Gadi> right - but he isn't exactly wrapping kvm, he is wrapping an app run inside kvm
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| 10:51 | right - but he isn't exactly wrapping kvm, he is wrapping an app run inside kvm
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| 10:51 | <warren> no I'm not interested
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| 10:51 | no I'm not interested
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| 10:51 | oh
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| 10:51 | oh
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| 10:51 | <ace_suares> gadi right.
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| 10:51 | gadi right.
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| 10:51 | <Gadi> I think
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| 10:51 | I think
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| 10:52 | if I get this monstrosity right in my head ;)
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| 10:52 | if I get this monstrosity right in my head ;)
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| 10:52 | <ace_suares> gadi you're 80% of the way ;-). the dsl in kvm mounts its home dirs over nfs from the host :-)
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| 10:52 | gadi you're 80% of the way ;-). the dsl in kvm mounts its home dirs over nfs from the host :-)
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| 10:53 | gadi so the thin client users home dir is in fact also the kvm-dsl home dir
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| 10:53 | gadi so the thin client users home dir is in fact also the kvm-dsl home dir
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| 10:53 | * Gadi likes ur style | |
| 10:53 | * Gadi likes ur style | |
| 10:53 | <ace_suares> \me blushes...
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| 10:53 | \me blushes...
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| 10:53 | * ace_suares blushes (Damn!) | |
| 10:53 | * ace_suares blushes (Damn!) | |
| 10:54 | <ace_suares> I wish the win4lin would run on modern kernels and not being forced to loose i/o and cpu and ram by moving that into a kwm.
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| 10:54 | I wish the win4lin would run on modern kernels and not being forced to loose i/o and cpu and ram by moving that into a kwm.
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| 10:54 | the modern wi4lin uses qemu, for winxp emulation. But takes a lot of mem to run 30 winxp clients.
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| 10:54 | the modern wi4lin uses qemu, for winxp emulation. But takes a lot of mem to run 30 winxp clients.
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| 10:55 | about 512 per sessions, 512 x 30 = 15630 MB (I used gnome calculator).
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| 10:55 | about 512 per sessions, 512 x 30 = 15630 MB (I used gnome calculator).
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| 10:56 | the educational software our schools use run fine on win98. (altough not all of them run under this quasimodo of virtualizations...)
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| 10:56 | the educational software our schools use run fine on win98. (altough not all of them run under this quasimodo of virtualizations...)
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| 10:57 | gotta run, thanks !!!!
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| 10:57 | gotta run, thanks !!!!
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| 11:28 | <gbolte> hi loather
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| 11:28 | hi loather
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| 11:29 | <loathing> ok, so. i'm looking to customize ldm; specifically the text colors and whatnot.
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| 11:29 | ok, so. i'm looking to customize ldm; specifically the text colors and whatnot.
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| 11:29 | <gbolte> er loathing
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| 11:29 | er loathing
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| 11:29 | <loathing> heya gbolte
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| 11:29 | heya gbolte
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| 11:29 | how are you this afternoon?
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| 11:29 | how are you this afternoon?
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| 11:29 | <gbolte> heh morning for me...but I am doing well
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| 11:29 | heh morning for me...but I am doing well
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| 11:30 | <loathing> yea, it would normally be morning for me
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| 11:30 | yea, it would normally be morning for me
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| 11:30 | but i'm on travel this week and next. busy busy!
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| 11:30 | but i'm on travel this week and next. busy busy!
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| 11:31 | <gbolte> ah
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| 11:31 | ah
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| 11:31 | cool
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| 11:31 | cool
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| 11:31 | <loathing> i've been at work for 4 hours, interviewed two people, and my coworkers in san diego are *barely* starting to get into the office.
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| 11:31 | i've been at work for 4 hours, interviewed two people, and my coworkers in san diego are *barely* starting to get into the office.
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| 11:31 | heh
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| 11:31 | heh
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| 11:32 | <gbolte> loathing, ldm dosent actually have text
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| 11:32 | loathing, ldm dosent actually have text
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| 11:32 | <japerry> loathing: you only have pictures
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| 11:32 | loathing: you only have pictures
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| 11:32 | <gbolte> its all just images
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| 11:32 | its all just images
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| 11:32 | <japerry> we had a discussion at the hackfest about theming, but the consensus was to not make something more complicated.
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| 11:32 | we had a discussion at the hackfest about theming, but the consensus was to not make something more complicated.
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| 11:33 | basically, no one really thinks it'd be worth it to put a theme layer like GDM's on LDM
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| 11:33 | basically, no one really thinks it'd be worth it to put a theme layer like GDM's on LDM
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| 11:33 | <cyberorg> loathing, the fastest way is just replace bg.png and logo.png in your default theme
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| 11:33 | loathing, the fastest way is just replace bg.png and logo.png in your default theme
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| 11:36 | <ogra> loathing, just edit the gtkrc file
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| 11:36 | loathing, just edit the gtkrc file
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| 11:37 | if you want to use a different gtk theme dont forget to install that in the chroot/image
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| 11:37 | if you want to use a different gtk theme dont forget to install that in the chroot/image
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| 11:38 | japerry, if we can develop an easy theme mechanism thats fine ... i think the consensus was only that gdm's themeing is really overkill
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| 11:38 | japerry, if we can develop an easy theme mechanism thats fine ... i think the consensus was only that gdm's themeing is really overkill
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| 11:38 | <japerry> ogra: yah and I agree, its too bad gtkrc isn't easier
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| 11:38 | ogra: yah and I agree, its too bad gtkrc isn't easier
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| 11:39 | <ogra> yeah
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| 11:39 | yeah
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| 11:39 | <cyberorg> ogra, i feel just these three elements, bg, logo and gtkrc are good enough
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| 11:39 | ogra, i feel just these three elements, bg, logo and gtkrc are good enough
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| 11:39 | <japerry> after looking through what it'd take to do something similar to GDM, its not really worth it
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| 11:39 | after looking through what it'd take to do something similar to GDM, its not really worth it
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| 11:40 | * japerry agrees with cyberorg -- but I also don't know gtk themes as well | |
| 11:40 | * japerry agrees with cyberorg -- but I also don't know gtk themes as well | |
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| 11:40 | <cyberorg> japerry, you just have to experimant with html color codes :)
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| 11:40 | japerry, you just have to experimant with html color codes :)
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| 11:41 | <japerry> oh. ha ha. but I couldn't find a way to do my own text in the gtkrc... granted I had a hard time finding some good examples to go by
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| 11:41 | oh. ha ha. but I couldn't find a way to do my own text in the gtkrc... granted I had a hard time finding some good examples to go by
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| 11:41 | <cyberorg> here is something for everyone who does lot of compiling http://dev.compiz-fusion.org/~cyberorg/2008/08/14/announcing-kiwi-icecream-001/
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| 11:41 | here is something for everyone who does lot of compiling http://dev.compiz-fusion.org/~cyberorg/2008/08/14/announcing-kiwi-icecream-001/
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| 11:42 | <gbolte> :)
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| 11:42 | :)
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| 11:42 | <loathing> cyberorg, ogra: yeah... I got that much. I replaced the image files as necessary, but it doesn't look like my changes to the gtkrc don't seem to take.
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| 11:42 | cyberorg, ogra: yeah... I got that much. I replaced the image files as necessary, but it doesn't look like my changes to the gtkrc don't seem to take.
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| 11:43 | <Lns> Has anyone ever had issues (ubuntu/8.04.1) regarding random missing panel launchers in gnome?
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| 11:43 | Has anyone ever had issues (ubuntu/8.04.1) regarding random missing panel launchers in gnome?
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| 11:43 | I had a drawer full of custom app launchers and this morning when i log in all but one are missing
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| 11:43 | I had a drawer full of custom app launchers and this morning when i log in all but one are missing
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| 11:43 | <loathing> Lns: look for stale processes
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| 11:43 | Lns: look for stale processes
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| 11:44 | <gbolte> cyberorg, is icecream based on distcc
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| 11:44 | cyberorg, is icecream based on distcc
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| 11:44 | <cyberorg> gbolte, something similar, but much better
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| 11:44 | gbolte, something similar, but much better
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| 11:44 | <Lns> loathing, any in particular? The only thing I can think it could be is the "session state" was saved when i logged out
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| 11:44 | loathing, any in particular? The only thing I can think it could be is the "session state" was saved when i logged out
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| 11:44 | I think that thing is horribly broken
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| 11:44 | I think that thing is horribly broken
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| 11:44 | <Lns> half of my apps didn't launch when i logged back in either
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| 11:44 | half of my apps didn't launch when i logged back in either
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| 11:45 | <cyberorg> gbolte, follow the links ;)
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| 11:45 | gbolte, follow the links ;)
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| 11:45 | <loathing> Lns: ah, you might have hit a gnome/gconfd bug. i've had more trouble with gconfd getting corrupted.
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| 11:45 | Lns: ah, you might have hit a gnome/gconfd bug. i've had more trouble with gconfd getting corrupted.
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| 11:45 | * gbolte is on the yellow brick road | |
| 11:45 | * gbolte is on the yellow brick road | |
| 11:45 | <gbolte> :D
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| 11:45 | :D
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| 11:45 | <cyberorg> Lns, rm -rf /tmp/* on the server helps, provided you run when no one is logged in
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| 11:45 | Lns, rm -rf /tmp/* on the server helps, provided you run when no one is logged in
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| 11:46 | <Lns> cyberorg, ok..i'll probably just down the server to do that - have to see what kind of ram is installed to get more anyway =) thx!
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| 11:46 | cyberorg, ok..i'll probably just down the server to do that - have to see what kind of ram is installed to get more anyway =) thx!
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| 11:47 | <gbolte> yeah that works, but if you get pissed off and want to start over just get rid of the last 5 characters
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| 11:47 | yeah that works, but if you get pissed off and want to start over just get rid of the last 5 characters
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| 11:47 | :P
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| 11:47 | :P
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| 11:49 | <gbolte> Qt will compile in 62s
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| 11:49 | Qt will compile in 62s
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| 11:49 | lol @ cyberorg
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| 11:49 | lol @ cyberorg
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| 11:49 | :P
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| 11:49 | :P
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| 11:50 | <cyberorg> where did you see that?
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| 11:50 | where did you see that?
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| 11:50 | i wish i could use it to run mksquashfs on ltsp image
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| 11:50 | i wish i could use it to run mksquashfs on ltsp image
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| 11:50 | i'd be done in seconds
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| 11:50 | i'd be done in seconds
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| 11:51 | <gbolte> cyberorg, its in the section talking about combining icecream with ccache
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| 11:51 | cyberorg, its in the section talking about combining icecream with ccache
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| 11:51 | <cyberorg> ah
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| 11:51 | ah
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| 11:56 | <gbolte> so loathing did you get ldm figured out
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| 11:56 | so loathing did you get ldm figured out
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| 11:56 | <loathing> gbolte: no, been distracted -- someone came into my office
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| 11:56 | gbolte: no, been distracted -- someone came into my office
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| 11:57 | <gbolte> kick them out
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| 11:57 | kick them out
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| 11:57 | :P
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| 11:57 | :P
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| 12:03 | <_UsUrPeR_> hey guys.
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| 12:03 | hey guys.
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| 12:04 | I'm trying to run an old 150e (TK-3350) on Fedora 9 with LTSP 5. It has the following etherboot version: EtherBoot/32 5.0.10 (GPL)
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| 12:04 | I'm trying to run an old 150e (TK-3350) on Fedora 9 with LTSP 5. It has the following etherboot version: EtherBoot/32 5.0.10 (GPL)
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| 12:05 | it's throwing an error like this: 172.31.100.254:/ltsp/i386/vmlinuz.ltsp ...error: not a valid image
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| 12:05 | it's throwing an error like this: 172.31.100.254:/ltsp/i386/vmlinuz.ltsp ...error: not a valid image
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| 12:05 | what do I need to get this thing to boot?
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| 12:05 | what do I need to get this thing to boot?
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| 12:12 | <loathing> _UsUrPeR_: on the host you'll want to install the mknbi package, then create an etherboot image for the terminals.
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| 12:12 | _UsUrPeR_: on the host you'll want to install the mknbi package, then create an etherboot image for the terminals.
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| 12:12 | etherboot can't boot a regular kernel like a pxe terminal.
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| 12:12 | etherboot can't boot a regular kernel like a pxe terminal.
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| 12:12 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok, any specific nomenclature I should pay attention to when creating the etherboot image?
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| 12:12 | ok, any specific nomenclature I should pay attention to when creating the etherboot image?
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| 12:13 | <loathing> it's all in the mknbi man page. basically, you feed it a kernel image, an initrd image, and a list of kernel command line options and it'll create the nbi
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| 12:13 | it's all in the mknbi man page. basically, you feed it a kernel image, an initrd image, and a list of kernel command line options and it'll create the nbi
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| 12:13 | you feed that into option 66 of your dhcp server.
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| 12:13 | you feed that into option 66 of your dhcp server.
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| 12:13 | <ogra> is there an .nbi file somewher in your tftp directory ?
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| 12:13 | is there an .nbi file somewher in your tftp directory ?
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| 12:14 | that should be pointed to by the dhcp config
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| 12:14 | that should be pointed to by the dhcp config
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| 12:14 | <loathing> 150es are good units. I've got like 50 of them.
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| 12:14 | 150es are good units. I've got like 50 of them.
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| 12:14 | <_UsUrPeR_> :O
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| 12:14 | :O
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| 12:14 | <ogra> yeah, the 150 is great
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| 12:14 | yeah, the 150 is great
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| 12:15 | <loathing> i swear, they're bulletproof
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| 12:15 | i swear, they're bulletproof
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| 12:15 | <ogra> in ubuntu they work out of the box though ... i wuld have expected the same from fedora
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| 12:15 | in ubuntu they work out of the box though ... i wuld have expected the same from fedora
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| 12:15 | <loathing> the only thing i don't like about them, and it's relatively minor, is the front panel I/O. I like all my I/O on the back panel.
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| 12:15 | the only thing i don't like about them, and it's relatively minor, is the front panel I/O. I like all my I/O on the back panel.
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| 12:15 | <_UsUrPeR_> I've noticed some irregularities depending on the linux flavor for USB support
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| 12:15 | I've noticed some irregularities depending on the linux flavor for USB support
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| 12:16 | err... whoops. wrong model
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| 12:16 | err... whoops. wrong model
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| 12:16 | these do work out of the box if they work with PXE
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| 12:16 | these do work out of the box if they work with PXE
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| 12:17 | <ogra> etherboot as well in ubuntu ... though its some releases ago that i tested an etherboot one
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| 12:17 | etherboot as well in ubuntu ... though its some releases ago that i tested an etherboot one
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| 12:17 | <_UsUrPeR_> yeah, etherboot isn't included in a standard package install any more. At least it does not work out of the box anymore.
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| 12:17 | yeah, etherboot isn't included in a standard package install any more. At least it does not work out of the box anymore.
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| 12:18 | <ogra> :(
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| 12:18 | :(
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| 12:18 | <_UsUrPeR_> it would be nice if that stuck around :/
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| 12:18 | it would be nice if that stuck around :/
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| 12:25 | <_UsUrPeR_> where are kernel images kept in fedora?
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| 12:25 | where are kernel images kept in fedora?
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| 12:25 | yum made it too easy -_-
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| 12:25 | yum made it too easy -_-
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| 12:26 | <warren> what are you trying to do?
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| 12:26 | what are you trying to do?
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| 12:26 | <ogra> using etherboot :)
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| 12:26 | using etherboot :)
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| 12:26 | <_UsUrPeR_> utilize the command mkelf-linux
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| 12:26 | utilize the command mkelf-linux
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| 12:26 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: Etherboot-5.4 or something earlier?
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| 12:26 | _UsUrPeR_: Etherboot-5.4 or something earlier?
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| 12:26 | <ogra> 5.0.10
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| 12:26 | 5.0.10
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| 12:26 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: I got it working with Etherboot-5.4
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| 12:26 | _UsUrPeR_: I got it working with Etherboot-5.4
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| 12:27 | <_UsUrPeR_> EtherBoot/32 5.0.10 (GPL)
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| 12:27 | EtherBoot/32 5.0.10 (GPL)
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| 12:27 | <warren> does that require NBI images?
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| 12:27 | does that require NBI images?
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| 12:27 | I tried mknbi and it just fails.
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| 12:27 | I tried mknbi and it just fails.
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| 12:27 | <_UsUrPeR_> :|
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| 12:27 | :|
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| 12:27 | <warren> it creates an NBI image but it can't boot
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| 12:27 | it creates an NBI image but it can't boot
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| 12:27 | <ogra> warren, did you try the sourcepackage of ubuntus mknbi ?
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| 12:27 | warren, did you try the sourcepackage of ubuntus mknbi ?
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| 12:28 | i theink mvo fixed some assmebler lines in ours
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| 12:28 | i theink mvo fixed some assmebler lines in ours
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| 12:28 | *think
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| 12:28 | *think
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| 12:28 | <warren> ogra: I'll try your binary directly
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| 12:28 | ogra: I'll try your binary directly
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| 12:28 | if it helps hten I'll build
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| 12:28 | if it helps hten I'll build
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| 12:28 | <ogra> if that works ...
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| 12:28 | if that works ...
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| 12:28 | <_UsUrPeR_> hmm
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| 12:28 | hmm
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| 12:29 | ok, so where does fedora keep it's ramdisks?
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| 12:29 | ok, so where does fedora keep it's ramdisks?
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| 12:29 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: same place as Ubuntu, exactly.
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| 12:29 | _UsUrPeR_: same place as Ubuntu, exactly.
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| 12:30 | ogra: any clue what that assembler changes does?
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| 12:30 | ogra: any clue what that assembler changes does?
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| 12:30 | <ogra> nope
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| 12:30 | nope
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| 12:30 | it ftbfs'ed without them though
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| 12:30 | it ftbfs'ed without them though
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| 12:31 | <warren> what the heck does that mean?
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| 12:31 | what the heck does that mean?
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| 12:31 | <ogra> fail to build from source :)
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| 12:31 | fail to build from source :)
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| 12:31 | its a debian package term we adopted in ubuntu as well :)
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| 12:31 | its a debian package term we adopted in ubuntu as well :)
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| 12:31 | dont you love abbreviations ? *g*
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| 12:31 | dont you love abbreviations ? *g*
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| 12:32 | <warren> omgwtfbbq
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| 12:32 | omgwtfbbq
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| 12:32 | <ogra> heh
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| 12:32 | heh
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| 12:34 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: I'm pushing a new ltsp package with the mknbi stuff already in the scripts.
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| 12:34 | _UsUrPeR_: I'm pushing a new ltsp package with the mknbi stuff already in the scripts.
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| 12:34 | <_UsUrPeR_> oh, like, right now?
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| 12:34 | oh, like, right now?
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| 12:34 | nice :D
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| 12:34 | nice :D
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| 12:35 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: I've only tested the mkelfimage part (for Etherboot-5.4)
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| 12:35 | _UsUrPeR_: I've only tested the mkelfimage part (for Etherboot-5.4)
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| 12:36 | <_UsUrPeR_> I'll be subject to test
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| 12:36 | I'll be subject to test
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| 12:36 | where is the package stored?
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| 12:36 | where is the package stored?
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| 12:36 | err... where can I gt it?
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| 12:36 | err... where can I gt it?
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| 12:39 | <warren> building it now
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| 12:39 | building it now
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| 12:39 | hold
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| 12:39 | hold
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| 12:39 | found an error, rebuilding
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| 12:39 | found an error, rebuilding
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| 12:39 | <_UsUrPeR_> k, cool
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| 12:39 | k, cool
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| 12:42 | <warren> ls
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| 12:42 | ls
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| 12:42 | oops
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| 12:42 | oops
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| 13:05 | <supreme_> hi all, i cannot use vncviewer, help me pls
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| 13:05 | hi all, i cannot use vncviewer, help me pls
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| 13:05 | i ve done everything step by step
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| 13:05 | i ve done everything step by step
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| 13:14 | <supreme_> anybody?
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| 13:14 | anybody?
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| 13:15 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: you getting anywhere?
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| 13:15 | warren: you getting anywhere?
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| 13:16 | <warren> doing 3 things at once
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| 13:16 | doing 3 things at once
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| 13:16 | <_UsUrPeR_> oh :)
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| 13:16 | oh :)
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| 13:16 | supreme_: what's the problem?
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| 13:16 | supreme_: what's the problem?
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| 13:16 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: http://togami.com/~k12linux-temporary/fedora/9/
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| 13:16 | _UsUrPeR_: http://togami.com/~k12linux-temporary/fedora/9/
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| 13:16 | <_UsUrPeR_> supreme_: explain to me your current setup
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| 13:16 | supreme_: explain to me your current setup
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| 13:16 | warren: thanks
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| 13:16 | warren: thanks
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| 13:17 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: upgrade your ltsp-server and install your /opt/ltsp/i386 from scratch
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| 13:17 | _UsUrPeR_: upgrade your ltsp-server and install your /opt/ltsp/i386 from scratch
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| 13:17 | <supreme_> ok _UsUrPeR_
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| 13:17 | ok _UsUrPeR_
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| 13:17 | is an ltsp4.2
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| 13:17 | is an ltsp4.2
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| 13:18 | i think i already have vnc server in clients
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| 13:18 | i think i already have vnc server in clients
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| 13:19 | <_UsUrPeR_> supreme_: so you are trying to use vncviewer on an LTSP client?
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| 13:19 | supreme_: so you are trying to use vncviewer on an LTSP client?
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| 13:20 | what is the error you get when you try to use VNC on a specific IP?
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| 13:20 | what is the error you get when you try to use VNC on a specific IP?
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| 13:20 | <supreme_> yes, im trying to view a client's remote screen from another client
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| 13:20 | yes, im trying to view a client's remote screen from another client
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| 13:21 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: when you say upgrade your ltsp server, do you mean ltsp-build-client?
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| 13:21 | warren: when you say upgrade your ltsp server, do you mean ltsp-build-client?
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| 13:21 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: install the latest ltsp-server from that URL
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| 13:21 | _UsUrPeR_: install the latest ltsp-server from that URL
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| 13:21 | <supreme_> i only have 4 commands about vnc: vncconfig vncconfig.py vncpasswd vncserver
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| 13:21 | i only have 4 commands about vnc: vncconfig vncconfig.py vncpasswd vncserver
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| 13:22 | cause i found many clients and i dont know which one to install
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| 13:22 | cause i found many clients and i dont know which one to install
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| 13:22 | <_UsUrPeR_> hmm. ok, so I am seeing that you installed vnc-server, but you did not install vnc-viewer
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| 13:22 | hmm. ok, so I am seeing that you installed vnc-server, but you did not install vnc-viewer
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| 13:23 | what distro are you running?
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| 13:23 | what distro are you running?
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| 13:23 | <supreme_> rhel4
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| 13:23 | rhel4
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| 13:23 | <supreme_> in a identical server vnc works, but i forgot what i did, my mistake
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| 13:23 | in a identical server vnc works, but i forgot what i did, my mistake
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| 13:24 | i dont remember have installed anything but as i see thats not true
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| 13:24 | i dont remember have installed anything but as i see thats not true
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| 13:24 | <_UsUrPeR_> hmm.
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| 13:24 | hmm.
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| 13:24 | I was basing this off apt-get in ubuntu
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| 13:24 | I was basing this off apt-get in ubuntu
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| 13:25 | still, it looks like you are missing the client software to jump on vnc servers.
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| 13:25 | still, it looks like you are missing the client software to jump on vnc servers.
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| 13:26 | if those 4 commands are the only ones you can find
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| 13:26 | if those 4 commands are the only ones you can find
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| 13:26 | <supreme_> yes, to be sure thats only thing that is failing, how can i know that vncserver is running on clients?
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| 13:26 | yes, to be sure thats only thing that is failing, how can i know that vncserver is running on clients?
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| 13:27 | i only remember that the other identical server uses x11vnc
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| 13:27 | i only remember that the other identical server uses x11vnc
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| 13:28 | <_UsUrPeR_> you need to ssh in to a client
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| 13:28 | you need to ssh in to a client
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| 13:28 | and run a ps -aux
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| 13:28 | and run a ps -aux
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| 13:28 | so jump on a client
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| 13:28 | so jump on a client
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| 13:29 | <supreme_> grepping x11vnc right?
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| 13:29 | grepping x11vnc right?
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| 13:29 | <_UsUrPeR_> x11vnc or just vnc for a broader coverage
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| 13:29 | x11vnc or just vnc for a broader coverage
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| 13:29 | <supreme_> omg i havent :/
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| 13:29 | omg i havent :/
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| 13:29 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: you rebuilding your chroot now?
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| 13:29 | _UsUrPeR_: you rebuilding your chroot now?
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| 13:30 | _UsUrPeR_: I have it using mknbi-linux for a NBI image, and mkelfimage for an elf image for coreboot and Etherboot-5.4
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| 13:30 | _UsUrPeR_: I have it using mknbi-linux for a NBI image, and mkelfimage for an elf image for coreboot and Etherboot-5.4
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| 13:31 | ogra: where is your latest binary package of mknbi?
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| 13:31 | ogra: where is your latest binary package of mknbi?
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| 13:33 | _UsUrPeR_: you will have to manually edit your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to serve the legacy-nbi.ltsp to Etherboot
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| 13:33 | _UsUrPeR_: you will have to manually edit your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to serve the legacy-nbi.ltsp to Etherboot
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| 13:33 | hmm
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| 13:33 | hmm
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| 13:33 | i'll test this more when I get home
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| 13:33 | i'll test this more when I get home
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| 13:33 | my ancient etherboot client is there
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| 13:33 | my ancient etherboot client is there
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| 13:35 | <_UsUrPeR_> sorry, warren. Just got caught up with a customer. when you say "install your opt/ltsp/i386 from scratch, do you want to have me run ltsp-build-clien?
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| 13:35 | sorry, warren. Just got caught up with a customer. when you say "install your opt/ltsp/i386 from scratch, do you want to have me run ltsp-build-clien?
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| 13:35 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: yes, after upgrading to the latest ltsp-server from that URL
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| 13:35 | _UsUrPeR_: yes, after upgrading to the latest ltsp-server from that URL
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| 13:37 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok, so I am going to use this .rpm: ltsp-server-5.1.18-3.20080814.13.fc9.i386.rpm
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| 13:37 | ok, so I am going to use this .rpm: ltsp-server-5.1.18-3.20080814.13.fc9.i386.rpm
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| 13:37 | is that the latest and greatest?
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| 13:37 | is that the latest and greatest?
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| 13:40 | <warren> yes
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| 13:40 | yes
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| 13:40 | <supreme_> _UsUrPeR_, i havent anything about vnc in the clients of the other server, but i run 'x11vnc -display :6 -forever -loop' in client's rc.local and works fine everyday, the client is vncviewer
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| 13:40 | _UsUrPeR_, i havent anything about vnc in the clients of the other server, but i run 'x11vnc -display :6 -forever -loop' in client's rc.local and works fine everyday, the client is vncviewer
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| 13:40 | *i havent anything about vnc doing ps -aux in local console
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| 13:40 | *i havent anything about vnc doing ps -aux in local console
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| 13:43 | ok, i ve checked that here loads vncserver too, so the only thing i need is vncserver, thanks
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| 13:43 | ok, i ve checked that here loads vncserver too, so the only thing i need is vncserver, thanks
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| 13:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> supreme_: so... you're all set then?
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| 13:47 | supreme_: so... you're all set then?
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| 13:48 | <supreme_> yes, now im fetching packages from repositories (it takes eons to do from dag :/) and then install vncviewer, i hope it works fine :) thanks
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| 13:48 | yes, now im fetching packages from repositories (it takes eons to do from dag :/) and then install vncviewer, i hope it works fine :) thanks
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| 13:49 | <warren> ogra: nope, same failure with your mknbi binary
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| 13:49 | ogra: nope, same failure with your mknbi binary
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| 13:49 | the fedora kernel could be different
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| 13:49 | the fedora kernel could be different
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| 13:49 | or I'm trying to boot it on a much newer etherboot version that is incompatible with ancient nbi
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| 13:49 | or I'm trying to boot it on a much newer etherboot version that is incompatible with ancient nbi
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| 13:49 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: ok, building a new client after installing ltsp-server-5.1.18-3.20080814.13.fc9.i386.rpm
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| 13:49 | warren: ok, building a new client after installing ltsp-server-5.1.18-3.20080814.13.fc9.i386.rpm
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| 13:50 | <supreme_> another question, now i need like 40 thin clients, but it has to be capable to watch vids fluidly
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| 13:50 | another question, now i need like 40 thin clients, but it has to be capable to watch vids fluidly
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| 13:50 | *show
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| 13:50 | *show
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| 13:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> supreme_: start sacrificing goats, because the lord of the underworld is the only one who can grant that power ;)
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| 13:50 | supreme_: start sacrificing goats, because the lord of the underworld is the only one who can grant that power ;)
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| 13:51 | <supreme_> and i have gigabit net?
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| 13:51 | and i have gigabit net?
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| 13:51 | *what about if i have gig net?
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| 13:51 | *what about if i have gig net?
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| 13:51 | <warren> supreme_: that isn't enough
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| 13:51 | supreme_: that isn't enough
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| 13:51 | <supreme_> :o
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| 13:51 | :o
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| 13:51 | <warren> supreme_: each client watching youtube can easily use 40-80mbit/sec
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| 13:51 | supreme_: each client watching youtube can easily use 40-80mbit/sec
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| 13:51 | that's in the tiny un-maximized youtube window
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| 13:51 | that's in the tiny un-maximized youtube window
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| 13:52 | <_UsUrPeR_> yeah :|
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| 13:52 | yeah :|
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| 13:52 | <supreme_> omg!, and what about if i put 20clients foreach server?
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| 13:52 | omg!, and what about if i put 20clients foreach server?
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| 13:52 | <warren> supreme_: the new localapps feature in LTSP5 is your only chance, but then your clients need lots of their own RAM to run their own app
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| 13:52 | supreme_: the new localapps feature in LTSP5 is your only chance, but then your clients need lots of their own RAM to run their own app
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| 13:52 | <_UsUrPeR_> not to mention doing that with more than one client
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| 13:52 | not to mention doing that with more than one client
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| 13:53 | <warren> supreme_: 1000 is only a theoretical maximum, you'll likely max out much lower than that.
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| 13:53 | supreme_: 1000 is only a theoretical maximum, you'll likely max out much lower than that.
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| 13:53 | <_UsUrPeR_> what kind of gigabit client are you currently running?
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| 13:53 | what kind of gigabit client are you currently running?
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| 13:53 | <supreme_> ethernet 1000base
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| 13:53 | ethernet 1000base
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| 13:53 | gigabit switch too
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| 13:53 | gigabit switch too
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| 13:54 | <_UsUrPeR_> for reference, satan prefers short-haired goats
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| 13:54 | for reference, satan prefers short-haired goats
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| 13:54 | <supreme_> xd
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| 13:54 | xd
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| 13:55 | <_UsUrPeR_> what was the video you were planning on disseminating?
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| 13:55 | what was the video you were planning on disseminating?
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| 13:57 | <warren> hmm... NBI created by wraplinux is behaving differently than mknbi
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| 13:57 | hmm... NBI created by wraplinux is behaving differently than mknbi
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| 13:57 | still wrong, but different
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| 13:57 | still wrong, but different
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| 13:58 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: still building. brb.
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| 13:58 | warren: still building. brb.
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| 14:00 | <supreme_> _UsUrPeR_, done! vncviewer installed, but how can i configure password?
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| 14:00 | _UsUrPeR_, done! vncviewer installed, but how can i configure password?
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| 14:03 | <loathing> mmm, SACRIFICE
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| 14:03 | mmm, SACRIFICE
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| 14:03 | <warren> ooh
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| 14:03 | ooh
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| 14:03 | the wraplinux created NBI is booting here
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| 14:03 | the wraplinux created NBI is booting here
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| 14:04 | <supreme_> warren, how can i configure password of vncviewer?
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| 14:04 | warren, how can i configure password of vncviewer?
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| 14:04 | <warren> supreme_: you are using ancient software that I haven't touched in like 5 years
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| 14:04 | supreme_: you are using ancient software that I haven't touched in like 5 years
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| 14:05 | <supreme_> hum, ok, the only thing i left to do is buy new clients, since they boot too slow and havent sound with ltsp5 :/
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| 14:05 | hum, ok, the only thing i left to do is buy new clients, since they boot too slow and havent sound with ltsp5 :/
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| 14:06 | somebody know how to configure password to vncviewer?
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| 14:06 | somebody know how to configure password to vncviewer?
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| 14:07 | <_UsUrPeR_> supreme_: you have to set the password in vnc server
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| 14:07 | supreme_: you have to set the password in vnc server
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| 14:07 | vncviewer being the client, you enter a password after the server is up and running
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| 14:07 | vncviewer being the client, you enter a password after the server is up and running
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| 14:10 | <supreme_> _UsUrPeR_, how can i set the password of the server?
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| 14:10 | _UsUrPeR_, how can i set the password of the server?
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| 14:12 | <_UsUrPeR_> http://www.g-loaded.eu/2005/11/10/configure-vnc-server-in-fedora/
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| 14:12 | http://www.g-loaded.eu/2005/11/10/configure-vnc-server-in-fedora/
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| 14:12 | the answer lies within
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| 14:12 | the answer lies within
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| 14:13 | <supreme_> thanks a lot
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| 14:13 | thanks a lot
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| 14:13 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: LTSP client installation completed successfully
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| 14:13 | warren: LTSP client installation completed successfully
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| 14:13 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: ok, look in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386
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| 14:13 | _UsUrPeR_: ok, look in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386
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| 14:13 | _UsUrPeR_: there should be a legacy-nbi.ltsp there
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| 14:13 | _UsUrPeR_: there should be a legacy-nbi.ltsp there
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| 14:14 | _UsUrPeR_: edit your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf and make sure your client tries to use that legacy-nbi.ltsp
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| 14:14 | _UsUrPeR_: edit your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf and make sure your client tries to use that legacy-nbi.ltsp
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| 14:14 | _UsUrPeR_: service ltsp-dhcpd restart
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| 14:14 | _UsUrPeR_: service ltsp-dhcpd restart
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| 14:14 | _UsUrPeR_: here the mknbi created legacy-nbi.ltsp fails to boot on new etherboot, but wraplinux created nbi works
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| 14:14 | _UsUrPeR_: here the mknbi created legacy-nbi.ltsp fails to boot on new etherboot, but wraplinux created nbi works
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| 14:14 | i'm going to try both on the ancient NBI client I have home tonight
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| 14:14 | i'm going to try both on the ancient NBI client I have home tonight
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| 14:16 | <_UsUrPeR_> to be sure, I change this portion in dhcpd.conf: http://www.g-loaded.eu/2005/11/10/configure-vnc-server-in-fedora/
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| 14:16 | to be sure, I change this portion in dhcpd.conf: http://www.g-loaded.eu/2005/11/10/configure-vnc-server-in-fedora/
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| 14:16 | oh crap
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| 14:16 | oh crap
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| 14:16 | copy-paste through vmware without tools running
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| 14:16 | copy-paste through vmware without tools running
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| 14:16 | my bad
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| 14:16 | my bad
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| 14:17 | filename "/ltsp/i386/elf.ltsp"; Is that the one I should be changing?
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| 14:17 | filename "/ltsp/i386/elf.ltsp"; Is that the one I should be changing?
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| 14:17 | <warren> does it say Etherboot-5.4 above that?
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| 14:17 | does it say Etherboot-5.4 above that?
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| 14:17 | <_UsUrPeR_> yes
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| 14:17 | yes
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| 14:18 | <warren> change that to Etherboot
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| 14:18 | change that to Etherboot
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| 14:18 | you might need to change the range from 13 to 9
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| 14:18 | you might need to change the range from 13 to 9
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| 14:21 | <_UsUrPeR_> k, I have changed that line
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| 14:21 | k, I have changed that line
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| 14:21 | elseif substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "Etherboot"
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| 14:21 | elseif substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "Etherboot"
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| 14:23 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: if that works, try seeing if a block with Etherboot-5.4 above it correctly falls through
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| 14:23 | _UsUrPeR_: if that works, try seeing if a block with Etherboot-5.4 above it correctly falls through
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| 14:23 | i'm not sure if it will
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| 14:23 | i'm not sure if it will
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| 14:25 | <_UsUrPeR_> It's still trying to go to /ltsp/i386/vmlinuz.ltsp
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| 14:25 | It's still trying to go to /ltsp/i386/vmlinuz.ltsp
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| 14:25 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: install wireshark-gui and listen on ltspbr0
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| 14:25 | _UsUrPeR_: install wireshark-gui and listen on ltspbr0
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| 14:25 | _UsUrPeR_: somewhere in that you'll see the dhcp vendor class identifier that your client tells the server
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| 14:25 | _UsUrPeR_: somewhere in that you'll see the dhcp vendor class identifier that your client tells the server
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| 14:28 | <_UsUrPeR_> oh, wait. I need to restart the server when I make a change...
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| 14:28 | oh, wait. I need to restart the server when I make a change...
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| 14:29 | I knew Steel Reserve for lunch was a bad choice
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| 14:29 | I knew Steel Reserve for lunch was a bad choice
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| 14:29 | <loathing> steel reserve is always a bad choice :P
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| 14:29 | steel reserve is always a bad choice :P
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| 14:30 | warren: need an ancient NBI? I've got one on a system I could send you
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| 14:30 | warren: need an ancient NBI? I've got one on a system I could send you
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| 14:30 | oh, i misread that
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| 14:30 | oh, i misread that
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| 14:30 | an ancient terminal, not an ancient image :P
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| 14:30 | an ancient terminal, not an ancient image :P
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| 14:30 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: restart the server?
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| 14:30 | _UsUrPeR_: restart the server?
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| 14:30 | <_UsUrPeR_> the dhcpd server
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| 14:30 | the dhcpd server
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| 14:32 | <johnny> LOL
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| 14:32 | LOL
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| 14:33 | steel reserve...
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| 14:33 | steel reserve...
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| 14:34 | <_UsUrPeR_> unghh.
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| 14:34 | unghh.
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| 14:37 | ok, so after changing /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf, it's failing to start. the error log says that I don't have a NIC associated to a listening device
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| 14:37 | ok, so after changing /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf, it's failing to start. the error log says that I don't have a NIC associated to a listening device
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| 14:37 | but I don't recall changing that
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| 14:37 | but I don't recall changing that
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| 14:37 | and it doesn't look like there's anything pertaining to that in the .conf file I was in
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| 14:37 | and it doesn't look like there's anything pertaining to that in the .conf file I was in
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| 14:39 | <_UsUrPeR_> oh. ok
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| 14:39 | oh. ok
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| 14:39 | it created ltspbr0
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| 14:39 | it created ltspbr0
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| 14:40 | <supreme_> _UsUrPeR_, everything is ok now, but when i try to vncview i got "CConnection: No password configured for VNC Auth" but i ve already do vncpasswd
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| 14:40 | _UsUrPeR_, everything is ok now, but when i try to vncview i got "CConnection: No password configured for VNC Auth" but i ve already do vncpasswd
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| 14:43 | <_UsUrPeR_> what do you see in ~/.vnc/passwd?
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| 14:43 | what do you see in ~/.vnc/passwd?
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| 14:45 | <supreme_> ofuscated text
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| 14:45 | ofuscated text
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| 14:45 | <_UsUrPeR_> hmm.
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| 14:45 | hmm.
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| 14:45 | is that in the home directory you are running vncserver in?
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| 14:45 | is that in the home directory you are running vncserver in?
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| 14:46 | <supreme_> yes im as userx in this client and the file with ofuscated text is in /home/userx/.vnc/vnc
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| 14:46 | yes im as userx in this client and the file with ofuscated text is in /home/userx/.vnc/vnc
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| 14:47 | *./passwd
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| 14:47 | *./passwd
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| 14:48 | <_UsUrPeR_> :|
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| 14:48 | :|
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| 14:48 | <supreme_> i already reboot machine with vnc client running
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| 14:48 | i already reboot machine with vnc client running
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| 14:49 | <_UsUrPeR_> I am going to be honest: the last two things I helped you out with I was able to google. I really don't know much about vnc, aside from I used it at my house once.
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| 14:49 | I am going to be honest: the last two things I helped you out with I was able to google. I really don't know much about vnc, aside from I used it at my house once.
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| 14:49 | but doing a search for Connection: No password configured for VNC Auth in google had a lot of content
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| 14:49 | but doing a search for Connection: No password configured for VNC Auth in google had a lot of content
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| 14:49 | give that a shot.
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| 14:49 | give that a shot.
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| 14:49 | sorry :|
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| 14:49 | sorry :|
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| 14:51 | <supreme_> dont worry _UsUrPeR_ , unfortunately i ve googled about that for this last minutes unsuccessfully, thanks anyway
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| 14:51 | dont worry _UsUrPeR_ , unfortunately i ve googled about that for this last minutes unsuccessfully, thanks anyway
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| 14:52 | <_UsUrPeR_> supreme_: sounds like you're further along than you were
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| 14:52 | supreme_: sounds like you're further along than you were
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| 14:58 | warren: this created a network bridge for eth1 called ltspbr0, and freaked out the dhcp server. Is that SOP? If so, how do I repair?
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| 14:58 | warren: this created a network bridge for eth1 called ltspbr0, and freaked out the dhcp server. Is that SOP? If so, how do I repair?
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| 15:02 | <supreme_> damn, i just cannot make that works :/
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| 15:02 | damn, i just cannot make that works :/
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| 15:04 | <_UsUrPeR_> on the server, when you run ps-aux, what user does it show running the program?
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| 15:04 | on the server, when you run ps-aux, what user does it show running the program?
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| 15:05 | does that match up to the home directory of the password you looked at previously?
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| 15:05 | does that match up to the home directory of the password you looked at previously?
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| 15:05 | it sounds like if can't seem to find the password file you created
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| 15:05 | it sounds like if can't seem to find the password file you created
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| 15:17 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: ifconfig
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| 15:17 | _UsUrPeR_: ifconfig
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| 15:18 | _UsUrPeR_: is ltspbr0 still running with the default addresses?
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| 15:18 | _UsUrPeR_: is ltspbr0 still running with the default addresses?
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| 15:18 | <_UsUrPeR_> yes
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| 15:18 | yes
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| 15:19 | <_UsUrPeR_> err wait, no
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| 15:19 | err wait, no
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| 15:21 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: what exactly did you change from the default?
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| 15:21 | _UsUrPeR_: what exactly did you change from the default?
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| 15:31 | <_UsUrPeR_> I take that back. The original ip address for eth1 was 10.1.2.1
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| 15:31 | I take that back. The original ip address for eth1 was 10.1.2.1
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| 15:31 | not it's 172.31.100.254
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| 15:31 | not it's 172.31.100.254
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| 15:31 | not = now
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| 15:31 | not = now
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| 15:32 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: the interface that you dedicate to LTSP serving must have no IP address
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| 15:32 | _UsUrPeR_: the interface that you dedicate to LTSP serving must have no IP address
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| 15:32 | _UsUrPeR_: do you have two eth cards?
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| 15:32 | _UsUrPeR_: do you have two eth cards?
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| 15:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> yes
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| 15:32 | yes
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| 15:33 | warren: eth0 is external
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| 15:33 | warren: eth0 is external
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| 15:33 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: NetworkManager is disabled?
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| 15:33 | _UsUrPeR_: NetworkManager is disabled?
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| 15:34 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: where would I discover that?
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| 15:34 | warren: where would I discover that?
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| 15:34 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: service NetworkManager status
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| 15:34 | _UsUrPeR_: service NetworkManager status
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| 15:35 | <jcastro> vagrantc: I wore my LTSP pullover for the debconf group picture
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| 15:35 | vagrantc: I wore my LTSP pullover for the debconf group picture
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| 15:35 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: netowrkmanager is running
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| 15:35 | warren: netowrkmanager is running
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| 15:35 | dyslexia
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| 15:35 | dyslexia
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| 15:35 | <vagrantc> jcastro: make me jealous :P
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| 15:35 | jcastro: make me jealous :P
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| 15:36 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: system-config-network
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| 15:36 | _UsUrPeR_: system-config-network
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| 15:36 | _UsUrPeR_: is eth1 listed there?
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| 15:36 | _UsUrPeR_: is eth1 listed there?
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| 15:36 | <_UsUrPeR_> yes
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| 15:36 | yes
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| 15:36 | warren: it's listed as inactive
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| 15:36 | warren: it's listed as inactive
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| 15:36 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: thats fine
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| 15:36 | _UsUrPeR_: thats fine
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| 15:36 | edit it
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| 15:36 | edit it
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| 15:37 | make sure "Controlled by NetworkManager" is unchecked
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| 15:37 | make sure "Controlled by NetworkManager" is unchecked
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| 15:37 | click Statically set IP address
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| 15:37 | click Statically set IP address
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| 15:37 | but do not fill it out.
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| 15:37 | but do not fill it out.
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| 15:37 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: it is, indeed, unchecked
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| 15:37 | warren: it is, indeed, unchecked
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| 15:37 | <warren> then click OK, save and exit this app.
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| 15:37 | then click OK, save and exit this app.
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| 15:37 | brb a sec
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| 15:37 | brb a sec
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| 15:37 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok
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| 15:37 | ok
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| 15:43 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: edit /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1
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| 15:43 | _UsUrPeR_: edit /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1
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| 15:43 | add BRIDGE=ltspbr0 to the bottom
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| 15:43 | add BRIDGE=ltspbr0 to the bottom
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| 15:43 | save and exit
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| 15:43 | save and exit
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| 15:43 | _UsUrPeR_: did you follow the directions on my site at all? =)
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| 15:43 | _UsUrPeR_: did you follow the directions on my site at all? =)
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| 15:44 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: BRIDGE=ltspbr0 was already in there
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| 15:44 | warren: BRIDGE=ltspbr0 was already in there
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| 15:44 | <warren> ok
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| 15:44 | ok
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| 15:45 | _UsUrPeR_: if you ifdown eth1 and ifup eth1
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| 15:45 | _UsUrPeR_: if you ifdown eth1 and ifup eth1
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| 15:45 | _UsUrPeR_: does ifconfig show it as up but no IP address?
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| 15:45 | _UsUrPeR_: does ifconfig show it as up but no IP address?
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| 15:45 | <_UsUrPeR_> correct. no ip address
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| 15:45 | correct. no ip address
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| 15:45 | <warren> brctl show
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| 15:45 | brctl show
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| 15:46 | does it show eth1 as part of ltspbr0?\
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| 15:46 | does it show eth1 as part of ltspbr0?\
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| 15:46 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: negative. no eth1 listed in brctl show. there is ltspbr0 and pan0
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| 15:46 | warren: negative. no eth1 listed in brctl show. there is ltspbr0 and pan0
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| 15:47 | ltspbr0 has eth1 under "interfaces"
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| 15:47 | ltspbr0 has eth1 under "interfaces"
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| 15:47 | <warren> that's what I meant
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| 15:47 | that's what I meant
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| 15:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> oh. sorry. then yes. it is next to ltspbr0
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| 15:47 | oh. sorry. then yes. it is next to ltspbr0
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| 15:48 | <warren> ok, restart ltsp-dhcpd now
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| 15:48 | ok, restart ltsp-dhcpd now
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| 15:48 | it should be ok
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| 15:48 | it should be ok
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| 15:49 | <_UsUrPeR_> looks like it came up
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| 15:49 | looks like it came up
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| 15:49 | now to try booting again
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| 15:49 | now to try booting again
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| 15:49 | <warren> I think I need to write a GUI app that lets the admin select an interface
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| 15:49 | I think I need to write a GUI app that lets the admin select an interface
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| 15:49 | nobody follows instructions
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| 15:49 | nobody follows instructions
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| 15:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> shot across the bow :)
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| 15:50 | shot across the bow :)
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| 15:50 | ok, still no dice, but I need to get wireshark on here and monitor.
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| 15:50 | ok, still no dice, but I need to get wireshark on here and monitor.
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| 15:50 | thanks for the help
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| 15:50 | thanks for the help
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| 15:54 | <warren> find out the client identifier of that thing
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| 15:54 | find out the client identifier of that thing
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| 15:55 | <_UsUrPeR_> rgr
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| 15:55 | rgr
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| 15:58 | warren: ok, I'm out. I'll get this figured out tomorrow.
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| 15:58 | warren: ok, I'm out. I'll get this figured out tomorrow.
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| 15:58 | <warren> k
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| 15:58 | k
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| 15:58 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: thanks for your help
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| 15:58 | warren: thanks for your help
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| 16:15 | <Lns> Does ltsp-update-image now exit immediately if there are no changes to the image? does it keep track now?
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| 16:15 | Does ltsp-update-image now exit immediately if there are no changes to the image? does it keep track now?
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| 16:16 | Ubuntu/8.04.1 - I did an ltsp-build-client --arch=-i386 --copy-sourceslist and got, at the end, "...I: Configuring initramfs-tools...
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| 16:16 | I: Base system installed successfully.
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| 16:16 | Ubuntu/8.04.1 - I did an ltsp-build-client --arch=-i386 --copy-sourceslist and got, at the end, "...I: Configuring initramfs-tools...
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| 16:16 | I: Base system installed successfully.
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| 16:16 | error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally"
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| 16:16 | error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally"
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| 16:16 | right after that I did a ltsp-update-image but it just returned me to shell prompt
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| 16:16 | right after that I did a ltsp-update-image but it just returned me to shell prompt
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| 16:17 | <Lns> gadi!
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| 16:17 | gadi!
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| 16:18 | i'm having issues =(
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| 16:18 | i'm having issues =(
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| 16:20 | <johnny> no
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| 16:20 | no
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| 16:21 | <Lns> I'm re-trying ltsp-build-client.. wonder what could have messed it up
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| 16:21 | I'm re-trying ltsp-build-client.. wonder what could have messed it up
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| 16:21 | <Gadi> Lns: give me 32 secs
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| 16:21 | Lns: give me 32 secs
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| 16:21 | <Lns> ;) no worries
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| 16:21 | ;) no worries
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| 16:21 | <Gadi> I am trying to rocess something on a website that times out
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| 16:21 | I am trying to rocess something on a website that times out
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| 16:21 | :)
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| 16:21 | :)
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| 16:22 | <Lns> I <3 3GB RAM (vs 1) sooo much faster
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| 16:22 | I <3 3GB RAM (vs 1) sooo much faster
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| 16:22 | hrm....again, running ltsp-build-client:
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| 16:22 | hrm....again, running ltsp-build-client:
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| 16:22 | * mistik1 snarfs some of Lns | |
| 16:22 | * mistik1 snarfs some of Lns | |
| 16:22 | <mistik1> ram
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| 16:22 | <Lns> I: Configuring libc6...
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| 16:22 | I: Configuring initramfs-tools...
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| 16:22 | <mistik1> ram
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| 16:22 | <Lns> I: Base system installed successfully.
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| 16:22 | I: Configuring libc6...
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| 16:22 | I: Configuring initramfs-tools...
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| 16:22 | I: Base system installed successfully.
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| 16:22 | error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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| 16:22 | error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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| 16:23 | mistik1, ;) it was so cheap! $35 for 2GB DDR2 800
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| 16:23 | mistik1, ;) it was so cheap! $35 for 2GB DDR2 800
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| 16:23 | <johnny> warren, are you about?
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| 16:23 | warren, are you about?
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| 16:24 | <mistik1> Lns: unfortunately i'm on a laptop
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| 16:24 | Lns: unfortunately i'm on a laptop
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| 16:26 | <Lns> jeez...even running ltsp-build-client without switches doesn't work
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| 16:26 | jeez...even running ltsp-build-client without switches doesn't work
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| 16:27 | it looks like ltsp-update-image is borked for some reason...
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| 16:27 | it looks like ltsp-update-image is borked for some reason...
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| 16:33 | I installed Ubuntu 8.04.1 alternate CD w/LTSP option to build during installation...anyone think that could have done something? I haven't tried rebuilding chroot on this server yet.
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| 16:33 | I installed Ubuntu 8.04.1 alternate CD w/LTSP option to build during installation...anyone think that could have done something? I haven't tried rebuilding chroot on this server yet.
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| 16:35 | <warren> johnny: what's up
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| 16:35 | johnny: what's up
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| 16:36 | <johnny> warren, sadly.. it isn't ltsp related.. does rhel5 come with yum?
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| 16:36 | warren, sadly.. it isn't ltsp related.. does rhel5 come with yum?
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| 16:36 | or something like that/
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| 16:36 | or something like that/
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| 16:36 | <ogra> Lns, --arch=i386 not -i386
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| 16:36 | Lns, --arch=i386 not -i386
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| 16:36 | <johnny> ain't seeing it on 4..
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| 16:36 | ain't seeing it on 4..
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| 16:37 | <Lns> ogra, sorry - that's what i typed
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| 16:37 | ogra, sorry - that's what i typed
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| 16:37 | ltsp-build-client --arch=i386 --copy-sourceslist
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| 16:37 | ltsp-build-client --arch=i386 --copy-sourceslist
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| 16:37 | <johnny> dberkholz, so.. what can we do to get the gentoo code merged? and me commit access?
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| 16:37 | dberkholz, so.. what can we do to get the gentoo code merged? and me commit access?
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| 16:37 | <ogra> Lns, that should work fine
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| 16:37 | Lns, that should work fine
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| 16:37 | <Lns> thats what i thought too ;)
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| 16:37 | thats what i thought too ;)
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| 16:37 | <ogra> at least it does for plenty of others
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| 16:37 | at least it does for plenty of others
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| 16:37 | <Lns> even did it w/o switches
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| 16:37 | even did it w/o switches
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| 16:38 | <warren> johnny: yes
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| 16:38 | johnny: yes
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| 16:38 | <Lns> there are no errors during pkg install/cfg, it seems that when it tries to run ltsp-update-image it borks out
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| 16:38 | there are no errors during pkg install/cfg, it seems that when it tries to run ltsp-update-image it borks out
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| 16:38 | and running ltsp-update-image by itself just returns me to a prompt w/o error, nothing
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| 16:38 | and running ltsp-update-image by itself just returns me to a prompt w/o error, nothing
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| 16:38 | <ogra> add set -x at the top of the script
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| 16:38 | add set -x at the top of the script
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| 16:39 | <ogra> it will give you lots of info
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| 16:39 | it will give you lots of info
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| 16:39 | <Lns> ogra, at top of ltsp-update-image ?
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| 16:39 | ogra, at top of ltsp-update-image ?
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| 16:39 | <ogra> yeah
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| 16:39 | yeah
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| 16:39 | <Lns> k
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| 16:39 | k
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| 16:39 | <ogra> directly below the shell line
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| 16:39 | directly below the shell line
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| 16:39 | <johnny> wtf is up with my wifi
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| 16:39 | wtf is up with my wifi
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| 16:39 | <Lns> right
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| 16:39 | right
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| 16:40 | <ltsppbot> "Lns" pasted "root@Fibonacci:/opt# ltsp-upda" (30 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/43
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| 16:40 | "Lns" pasted "root@Fibonacci:/opt# ltsp-upda" (30 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/43
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| 16:42 | <Lns> ogra, any clues? :)
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| 16:42 | ogra, any clues? :)
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| 16:43 | <ogra> Lns, are you using nfs ?
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| 16:43 | Lns, are you using nfs ?
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| 16:43 | somehow looks like it doesnt find the nbd being set
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| 16:43 | somehow looks like it doesnt find the nbd being set
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| 16:43 | <Lns> not that i know of... it's a default ltsp install from hardy alternate
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| 16:43 | not that i know of... it's a default ltsp install from hardy alternate
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| 16:43 | <ogra> grep nbd /opt/ltsp/i386//usr/share/initramfs-tools/conf.d/ltsp
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| 16:43 | grep nbd /opt/ltsp/i386//usr/share/initramfs-tools/conf.d/ltsp
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| 16:43 | does that return a line ?
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| 16:43 | does that return a line ?
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| 16:43 | <Lns> grep: /opt/ltsp/i386//usr/share/initramfs-tools/conf.d/ltsp: No such file or directory
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| 16:43 | grep: /opt/ltsp/i386//usr/share/initramfs-tools/conf.d/ltsp: No such file or directory
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| 16:44 | oh
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| 16:44 | oh
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| 16:44 | <ogra> does /opt/ltsp/i386/ exist at all ?
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| 16:44 | does /opt/ltsp/i386/ exist at all ?
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| 16:44 | <Lns> yes
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| 16:44 | yes
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| 16:44 | <ogra> how about /opt/ltsp/images ?
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| 16:44 | how about /opt/ltsp/images ?
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| 16:45 | <Lns> nope
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| 16:45 | nope
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| 16:45 | <ogra> aha
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| 16:45 | aha
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| 16:45 | <Lns> i nuked it
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| 16:45 | i nuked it
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| 16:45 | <ogra> did ltsp-build-client properly finish wirhout errors?
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| 16:45 | did ltsp-build-client properly finish wirhout errors?
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| 16:45 | <Lns> no
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| 16:45 | no
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| 16:45 | <ogra> aha
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| 16:45 | aha
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| 16:45 | well, your chroot is borked
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| 16:45 | well, your chroot is borked
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| 16:45 | wipe it, rebuild
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| 16:45 | wipe it, rebuild
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| 16:46 | <Lns> I did =)
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| 16:46 | I did =)
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| 16:46 | it still craps out for some reason
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| 16:46 | it still craps out for some reason
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| 16:46 | I: Base system installed successfully.
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| 16:46 | I: Base system installed successfully.
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| 16:46 | error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally"
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| 16:46 | error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally"
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| 16:46 | one right after the other - and nothing errors out in between whatsoever
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| 16:46 | one right after the other - and nothing errors out in between whatsoever
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| 16:46 | <jammcq> out of space maybe?
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| 16:46 | out of space maybe?
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| 16:46 | <Lns> jammcq, nope checked that
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| 16:46 | jammcq, nope checked that
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| 16:47 | <ogra> well, scroll up ... there must be an error above
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| 16:47 | well, scroll up ... there must be an error above
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| 16:47 | <Lns> the only thing is i put 2GB ram in, could that be somehow just crapping out ltsp-update-image and nothing else?
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| 16:47 | the only thing is i put 2GB ram in, could that be somehow just crapping out ltsp-update-image and nothing else?
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| 16:47 | <ogra> debootstrap is quite silly if it comes o errors
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| 16:47 | debootstrap is quite silly if it comes o errors
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| 16:47 | "I: Base system installed successfully." is worth noting here
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| 16:47 | "I: Base system installed successfully." is worth noting here
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| 16:47 | <Lns> ogra, i'll paste the log of install i directed
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| 16:47 | ogra, i'll paste the log of install i directed
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| 16:48 | <ogra> ok
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| 16:48 | ok
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| 16:51 | <ltsppbot> "Lns" pasted "ltsp-build-client log" (731 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/44
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| 16:51 | "Lns" pasted "ltsp-build-client log" (731 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/44
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| 16:53 | <ogra> hmm
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| 16:53 | hmm
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| 16:53 | did you redirect stdin to stdout for that log ?
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| 16:53 | did you redirect stdin to stdout for that log ?
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| 16:53 | <Lns> i did ltsp-build-client > 1.log
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| 16:53 | i did ltsp-build-client > 1.log
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| 16:54 | oh
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| 16:54 | oh
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| 16:54 | durrr
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| 16:54 | durrr
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| 16:54 | that doesn't do errors huh? (IANA scripter)
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| 16:54 | that doesn't do errors huh? (IANA scripter)
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| 16:54 | <ogra> ltsp-build-client > 1.log 2&>1
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| 16:54 | ltsp-build-client > 1.log 2&>1
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| 16:54 | <Lns> bah
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| 16:54 | bah
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| 16:54 | <ogra> err
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| 16:54 | err
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| 16:54 | <Lns> hehe.. ok
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| 16:54 | hehe.. ok
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| 16:54 | <ogra> ltsp-build-client > 1.log 2>&1
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| 16:54 | ltsp-build-client > 1.log 2>&1
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| 16:54 | that way round :)
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| 16:54 | that way round :)
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| 16:54 | <Lns> k... /me needs to hit the bash scripting books for real
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| 16:54 | k... /me needs to hit the bash scripting books for real
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| 16:56 | can i pipe the logfile directly to pastebot somehow?
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| 16:56 | can i pipe the logfile directly to pastebot somehow?
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| 16:58 | * Lns found pastebinit | |
| 16:58 | * Lns found pastebinit | |
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| 17:00 | <Lns> ogra http://pastebin.com/f209d9c11
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| 17:00 | ogra http://pastebin.com/f209d9c11
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| 17:01 | guess pastebot.ltsp.org isn't compatible w/pastebinit
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| 17:01 | guess pastebot.ltsp.org isn't compatible w/pastebinit
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| 17:02 | <ogra> hmm, doesnt look like anything is broken in debootstrap
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| 17:02 | hmm, doesnt look like anything is broken in debootstrap
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| 17:02 | <Lns> it's so weird
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| 17:02 | it's so weird
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| 17:03 | could it be that i'm ON a thin-client right now doing all of this?
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| 17:03 | could it be that i'm ON a thin-client right now doing all of this?
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| 17:03 | even though i nuked the chroot?
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| 17:03 | even though i nuked the chroot?
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| 17:03 | <ogra> no
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| 17:03 | no
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| 17:03 | th eclient runs off the image
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| 17:03 | th eclient runs off the image
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| 17:03 | not off the chroot
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| 17:03 | not off the chroot
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| 17:03 | <Lns> yea
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| 17:03 | yea
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| 17:04 | it's just really weird because ltsp-update-image does nothing
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| 17:04 | it's just really weird because ltsp-update-image does nothing
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| 17:04 | <ogra> ltsp-update-image only operates on working chroots
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| 17:04 | ltsp-update-image only operates on working chroots
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| 17:04 | your chroot is broken
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| 17:04 | your chroot is broken
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| 17:04 | <Lns> it doesn't error out if nothing is found?
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| 17:04 | it doesn't error out if nothing is found?
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| 17:04 | <ogra> it exits
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| 17:04 | it exits
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| 17:04 | <Lns> k
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| 17:04 | k
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| 17:05 | my old LTSP chroot is 523mb
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| 17:05 | my old LTSP chroot is 523mb
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| 17:05 | the ones that i'm building now are 177mb
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| 17:05 | the ones that i'm building now are 177mb
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| 17:06 | <loathing> ok, this gtkrc thing is still not working.
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| 17:06 | ok, this gtkrc thing is still not working.
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| 17:06 | <ogra> you have only the bare base ... no X or anything
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| 17:06 | you have only the bare base ... no X or anything
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| 17:06 | neither a kernel
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| 17:06 | neither a kernel
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| 17:06 | it smells like apt cant do its job
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| 17:06 | it smells like apt cant do its job
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| 17:07 | do you have a transparent proxy in your net ?
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| 17:07 | do you have a transparent proxy in your net ?
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| 17:07 | <Gadi> Lns: have you modified the server's sources.list (ie added your own repos)?
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| 17:07 | Lns: have you modified the server's sources.list (ie added your own repos)?
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| 17:07 | <Lns> ogra, yes i do
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| 17:07 | ogra, yes i do
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| 17:08 | Gadi, i did see hardy-updates were there, yes
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| 17:08 | Gadi, i did see hardy-updates were there, yes
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| 17:08 | <ogra> hmm, that might get in the way if it doesnt translate the html properly
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| 17:08 | hmm, that might get in the way if it doesnt translate the html properly
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| 17:08 | <Lns> lemme turn it off and try
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| 17:08 | lemme turn it off and try
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| 17:08 | might drop..not sure
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| 17:08 | might drop..not sure
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| 17:09 | hrm..you might be onto something ogra - new advanced proxy (ipcop) got support for .debs
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| 17:09 | hrm..you might be onto something ogra - new advanced proxy (ipcop) got support for .debs
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| 17:09 | <ogra> meh, "transparent" proxies are *evil*
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| 17:09 | meh, "transparent" proxies are *evil*
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| 17:09 | <gbolte> lol
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| 17:09 | lol
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| 17:10 | <ogra> massively evil
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| 17:10 | massively evil
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| 17:10 | <gbolte> yeah they are I love it
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| 17:10 | yeah they are I love it
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| 17:10 | <johnny> i need such a thing for install fests.. :(
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| 17:10 | i need such a thing for install fests.. :(
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| 17:10 | <Lns> ogra, i've never had a prob. before :(
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| 17:10 | ogra, i've never had a prob. before :(
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| 17:10 | <gbolte> our proxy setup is awesome
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| 17:10 | our proxy setup is awesome
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| 17:10 | <ogra> just us a proper port ... you will run into more probs if neither the server nor the browser know there are proxies involved
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| 17:10 | just us a proper port ... you will run into more probs if neither the server nor the browser know there are proxies involved
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| 17:10 | <Lns> guess i have now though! =p
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| 17:10 | guess i have now though! =p
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| 17:11 | <ogra> s/us/use/
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| 17:11 | s/us/use/
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| 17:11 | <Lns> i should have thought to clear the cache at least
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| 17:11 | i should have thought to clear the cache at least
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| 17:11 | <ogra> heh
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| 17:11 | heh
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| 17:12 | <johnny> lol.. ogra can smell apt
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| 17:12 | lol.. ogra can smell apt
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| 17:12 | but can he smell the super cow powers..
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| 17:12 | but can he smell the super cow powers..
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| 17:12 | <Lns> haha.. yea, there's an update for advproxy too for new ipcop version that came out a couple weeks ago
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| 17:12 | haha.. yea, there's an update for advproxy too for new ipcop version that came out a couple weeks ago
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| 17:13 | haven't upgraded yet :( usually the addon tells me.. /me stops relying on that now
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| 17:13 | haven't upgraded yet :( usually the addon tells me.. /me stops relying on that now
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| 17:13 | <johnny> warren, see.. the problem with rpm is the lack of those super cow powers,you should work on that
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| 17:13 | warren, see.. the problem with rpm is the lack of those super cow powers,you should work on that
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| 17:13 | * ogra lols about the latest comment to vagrantc's tcsh bug | |
| 17:13 | * ogra lols about the latest comment to vagrantc's tcsh bug | |
| 17:13 | <gbolte> hmm we just use dans guardian and squid on gentoo server
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| 17:13 | hmm we just use dans guardian and squid on gentoo server
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| 17:13 | :D
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| 17:13 | :D
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| 17:13 | <ogra> vagrantc, have fun :P
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| 17:13 | vagrantc, have fun :P
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| 17:14 | * ogra would just have closed the bug as whishlist | |
| 17:14 | * ogra would just have closed the bug as whishlist | |
| 17:14 | <johnny> linkie?
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| 17:14 | linkie?
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| 17:14 | <Lns> johnny, super cow powers? as in apt-get moo ?
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| 17:14 | johnny, super cow powers? as in apt-get moo ?
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| 17:14 | <johnny> Lns, it always says this apt has super cow powers :)
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| 17:14 | Lns, it always says this apt has super cow powers :)
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| 17:14 | <Lns> heh
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| 17:14 | heh
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| 17:14 | <gbolte> apt-get moo poo
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| 17:14 | apt-get moo poo
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| 17:14 | <ogra> johnny, not in the ML archive yet it seems ...
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| 17:14 | johnny, not in the ML archive yet it seems ...
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| 17:14 | http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-ltsp-devel/2008-August/thread.html
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| 17:14 | http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-ltsp-devel/2008-August/thread.html
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| 17:15 | ah, no
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| 17:15 | ah, no
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| 17:15 | http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-ltsp-devel/2008-August/001550.html
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| 17:15 | http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-ltsp-devel/2008-August/001550.html
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| 17:15 | there it is
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| 17:15 | there it is
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| 17:16 | <johnny> the ssh -O thing?
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| 17:16 | the ssh -O thing?
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| 17:16 | :)
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| 17:16 | :)
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| 17:16 | <ogra> nah, tcsh support
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| 17:16 | nah, tcsh support
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| 17:16 | <johnny> in general?
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| 17:16 | in general?
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| 17:16 | :)
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| 17:16 | :)
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| 17:17 | <ogra> vagrant puts a lot of work into that
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| 17:17 | vagrant puts a lot of work into that
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| 17:17 | <johnny> i've never used tcsh in my life
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| 17:17 | i've never used tcsh in my life
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| 17:17 | <ogra> which is really a waste imho ...
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| 17:17 | which is really a waste imho ...
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| 17:17 | and now it turns out there is no $PPID in tcsh ...
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| 17:17 | and now it turns out there is no $PPID in tcsh ...
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| 17:17 | so the fix wont work at all
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| 17:17 | so the fix wont work at all
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| 17:17 | <johnny> oops!
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| 17:17 | oops!
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| 17:18 | <vagrantc> ogra: oh, i'm having a blast with tcsh.
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| 17:18 | ogra: oh, i'm having a blast with tcsh.
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| 17:18 | <ogra> heh, yeah
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| 17:18 | heh, yeah
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| 17:18 | <vagrantc> i test a patch, and it works, and then they want me to test something else.
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| 17:18 | i test a patch, and it works, and then they want me to test something else.
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| 17:19 | <ogra> make it whishlist and comment that we only support bash or POSIX shells ...
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| 17:19 | make it whishlist and comment that we only support bash or POSIX shells ...
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| 17:19 | i really wouldnt put so much effort into that
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| 17:19 | i really wouldnt put so much effort into that
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| 17:19 | <Lns> ogra, http://pastebin.com/fa3a592 - looks like the same thing after proxy is disabled :(
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| 17:19 | ogra, http://pastebin.com/fa3a592 - looks like the same thing after proxy is disabled :(
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| 17:20 | <ogra> yeah
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| 17:20 | yeah
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| 17:20 | <vagrantc> give a tcsh user a centimeter, and they want a yard.
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| 17:20 | give a tcsh user a centimeter, and they want a yard.
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| 17:20 | <ogra> :/
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| 17:20 | :/
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| 17:20 | lol
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| 17:20 | lol
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| 17:20 | tell them we only support zsh
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| 17:20 | tell them we only support zsh
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| 17:20 | or korn shell
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| 17:20 | or korn shell
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| 17:20 | but not tcsh
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| 17:20 | but not tcsh
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| 17:21 | <vagrantc> i'll close it with a "document that we don't support tcsh" comment.
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| 17:21 | i'll close it with a "document that we don't support tcsh" comment.
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| 17:21 | <ogra> yeah, thats good
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| 17:21 | yeah, thats good
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| 17:21 | and: "working and tested patches accepted"
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| 17:21 | and: "working and tested patches accepted"
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| 17:22 | <loathing> zsh is awesome :)
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| 17:22 | zsh is awesome :)
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| 17:22 | <ogra> its a fake ... there have never been xsh or ysh ... how can there even be a zsh
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| 17:22 | its a fake ... there have never been xsh or ysh ... how can there even be a zsh
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| 17:23 | <loathing> zsh.org!
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| 17:23 | zsh.org!
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| 17:23 | * Lns wants a vsh | |
| 17:23 | * Lns wants a vsh | |
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| 17:24 | <ogra> Lns, are you using sudo (or are you root) with your ltsp-build-client ?
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| 17:24 | Lns, are you using sudo (or are you root) with your ltsp-build-client ?
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| 17:24 | <Lns> ogra, i'm root
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| 17:24 | ogra, i'm root
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| 17:26 | <ogra> i really dont have ideas ...
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| 17:26 | i really dont have ideas ...
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| 17:26 | <loathing> does ldmgtkgreet log anywhere?
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| 17:26 | does ldmgtkgreet log anywhere?
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| 17:27 | <ogra> nope
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| 17:27 | nope
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| 17:27 | ldm does
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| 17:27 | ldm does
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| 17:27 | <Lns> uh-oh, i stumped ogra
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| 17:27 | uh-oh, i stumped ogra
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| 17:27 | * Lns runs for the hills | |
| 17:27 | * Lns runs for the hills | |
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| 17:27 | <gbolte> wb
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| 17:27 | wb
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| 17:27 | <Lns> well i'll keep poking around...maybe try directly on the server or take out that ram i put in just to see
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| 17:27 | well i'll keep poking around...maybe try directly on the server or take out that ram i put in just to see
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| 17:27 | <ogra> Lns, well, you could try the set -x with ltsp-build-client as well to try to find out whats stopping it
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| 17:27 | Lns, well, you could try the set -x with ltsp-build-client as well to try to find out whats stopping it
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| 17:28 | <Lns> ogra, ok
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| 17:28 | ogra, ok
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| 17:28 | <Gadi> Lns: have you tried "sudo ltsp-build-client..." instead
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| 17:28 | Lns: have you tried "sudo ltsp-build-client..." instead
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| 17:28 | <Lns> Gadi, no
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| 17:28 | Gadi, no
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| 17:28 | <Gadi> try sudo rm -rf /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 17:28 | try sudo rm -rf /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 17:28 | then, sudo ltsp-build-client....
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| 17:28 | then, sudo ltsp-build-client....
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| 17:29 | as a user
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| 17:29 | as a user
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| 17:29 | <Lns> ok
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| 17:29 | ok
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| 17:29 | <Gadi> (with sudo privs, of course)
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| 17:29 | (with sudo privs, of course)
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| 17:29 | <Lns> ogra, replace set -e w/-x in the script?
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| 17:29 | ogra, replace set -e w/-x in the script?
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| 17:29 | <ogra> jus add x after -e
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| 17:29 | jus add x after -e
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| 17:29 | make it -ex
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| 17:29 | make it -ex
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| 17:29 | <Lns> k
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| 17:29 | k
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| 17:29 | <ogra> beware that will get noisy
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| 17:29 | beware that will get noisy
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| 17:30 | <Gadi> heh - gotta run, folks - Lns, good luck
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| 17:30 | heh - gotta run, folks - Lns, good luck
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| 17:30 | <Lns> it's cool, i'm redirecting to that log ;)
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| 17:30 | it's cool, i'm redirecting to that log ;)
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| 17:30 | thank you Gadi
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| 17:30 | thank you Gadi
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| 17:31 | <Lns> i really hope this isn't something dumb i did =p
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| 17:31 | i really hope this isn't something dumb i did =p
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| 17:31 | i can't think of a thing though
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| 17:31 | i can't think of a thing though
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| 17:39 | hrrrrrmmm
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| 17:39 | hrrrrrmmm
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| 17:39 | ogra, looks like using sudo is making it get further
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| 17:39 | ogra, looks like using sudo is making it get further
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| 17:39 | "Get:5 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy Release [65.9kB]"
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| 17:39 | "Get:5 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy Release [65.9kB]"
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| 17:40 | wassa upa wita data? =p
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| 17:40 | wassa upa wita data? =p
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| 17:40 | * Lns still refuses to use sudo on a regular basis | |
| 17:40 | * Lns still refuses to use sudo on a regular basis | |
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| 17:41 | * Lns feels more elite when seeing a # | |
| 17:41 | * Lns feels more elite when seeing a # | |
| 17:41 | * ogra only uses sudo nowadays and it saved his butt more than one time | |
| 17:41 | * ogra only uses sudo nowadays and it saved his butt more than one time | |
| 17:42 | <Lns> apt doesn't store per-user settings for anything does it?
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| 17:42 | apt doesn't store per-user settings for anything does it?
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| 17:42 | <ogra> no
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| 17:42 | no
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| 17:42 | apt runs as root
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| 17:42 | apt runs as root
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| 17:42 | <Lns> i don't get why using it would push it further along
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| 17:42 | i don't get why using it would push it further along
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| 17:42 | <ogra> only apt-cache doesnt
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| 17:42 | only apt-cache doesnt
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| 17:42 | <Lns> hmm
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| 17:42 | hmm
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| 17:42 | * Lns notes apt-cache doesn't | |
| 17:42 | * Lns notes apt-cache doesn't | |
| 17:42 | <ogra> but apt-cache isnt involved here
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| 17:42 | but apt-cache isnt involved here
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| 17:43 | <Lns> yeah - i just hate typing extra when looking for stuff =p
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| 17:43 | yeah - i just hate typing extra when looking for stuff =p
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| 17:43 | <ogra> ah
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| 17:43 | ah
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| 17:53 | <ogra> Lns, so does it get through ?
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| 17:53 | Lns, so does it get through ?
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| 17:53 | <Lns> ogra, yep! testing a boot right now actually
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| 17:53 | ogra, yep! testing a boot right now actually
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| 17:54 | <ogra> ah, great
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| 17:54 | ah, great
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| 17:54 | * ogra goes to bed then | |
| 17:54 | * ogra goes to bed then | |
| 17:54 | <Lns> thank you so much ogra
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| 17:54 | thank you so much ogra
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| 17:54 | you rock
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| 17:54 | you rock
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| 17:54 | <ogra> ;)
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| 17:54 | ;)
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| 17:54 | <Lns> i still wanna buy you a pizza
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| 17:54 | i still wanna buy you a pizza
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| 17:55 | <ogra> we'll get to that at some point
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| 17:55 | we'll get to that at some point
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| 17:55 | :)
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| 17:55 | :)
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| 17:57 | <Lns> haha...well i'm still having issues w/my tc but that's another ball of wax
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| 17:57 | haha...well i'm still having issues w/my tc but that's another ball of wax
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| 18:07 | <johnny> btw... i can host an ltsp BTS at some point... altho.. it'd be a BTB... By the Bay
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| 18:07 | btw... i can host an ltsp BTS at some point... altho.. it'd be a BTB... By the Bay
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| 18:10 | <Lns> johnny, which bay?
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| 18:10 | johnny, which bay?
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| 18:10 | and what's bts?
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| 18:10 | and what's bts?
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| 18:12 | <vagrantc> by the sea
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| 18:12 | by the sea
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| 18:12 | <Lns> ah
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| 18:12 | ah
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| 18:13 | rawrg... major video corruption on geode GX2 ldm startup :(
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| 18:13 | rawrg... major video corruption on geode GX2 ldm startup :(
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| 18:15 | <johnny> Lns, close to the chesapeake
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| 18:15 | Lns, close to the chesapeake
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| 18:16 | <Lns> cool
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| 18:16 | cool
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| 18:16 | * Lns lives near san francisco bay | |
| 18:16 | * Lns lives near san francisco bay | |
| 18:16 | <johnny> altho i am pretty willing to host any open source gathering
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| 18:16 | altho i am pretty willing to host any open source gathering
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| 18:17 | <Lns> i think ltsp would be a cool specific gathering
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| 18:17 | i think ltsp would be a cool specific gathering
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| 18:18 | you remember hearing all the noise about windsor unified school district moving to novell/ltsp?
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| 18:18 | you remember hearing all the noise about windsor unified school district moving to novell/ltsp?
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| 18:22 | <johnny> novell doesn't do ltsp officially afaik, they have their own thin client setup
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| 18:22 | novell doesn't do ltsp officially afaik, they have their own thin client setup
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| 18:23 | <Lns> yeah - well it's ltsp modified afaik
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| 18:23 | yeah - well it's ltsp modified afaik
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| 18:23 | they've used a LOT of stuff from ubuntu
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| 18:23 | they've used a LOT of stuff from ubuntu
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| 18:23 | <johnny> huh?
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| 18:23 | huh?
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| 18:24 | <Lns> just their wiki has tons of references to ubuntu docs
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| 18:24 | just their wiki has tons of references to ubuntu docs
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| 18:24 | <johnny> are you talking about the kiwi ltsp s tuff?
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| 18:24 | are you talking about the kiwi ltsp s tuff?
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| 18:25 | <Lns> whatever novell uses, yeah
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| 18:25 | whatever novell uses, yeah
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| 18:25 | <johnny> from what i thought i heard, that is not what they distribute/sell support for
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| 18:25 | from what i thought i heard, that is not what they distribute/sell support for
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| 18:25 | it happens to be on a novell site
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| 18:25 | it happens to be on a novell site
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| 18:25 | for community purposes i guess
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| 18:25 | for community purposes i guess
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| 18:25 | <Lns> you could be right
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| 18:25 | you could be right
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| 18:25 | <johnny> but it is not what they sell
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| 18:25 | but it is not what they sell
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| 18:25 | that's what the opensuse people here say anyways
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| 18:25 | that's what the opensuse people here say anyways
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| 18:26 | <Lns> yea - that could be the case. i just recall lots of times looking at novell wikis and seeing refs to ubuntu docs/wiki pages with what they were doing/explaining
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| 18:26 | yea - that could be the case. i just recall lots of times looking at novell wikis and seeing refs to ubuntu docs/wiki pages with what they were doing/explaining
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| 18:26 | as far as ltsp style stuff
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| 18:26 | as far as ltsp style stuff
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| 18:26 | <johnny> sure.. that is because ubuntu had the refererence implementation for ltsp5
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| 18:26 | sure.. that is because ubuntu had the refererence implementation for ltsp5
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| 18:28 | * Lns is sad he can't get his shiny new sym1112 going :( | |
| 18:28 | * Lns is sad he can't get his shiny new sym1112 going :( | |
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| 19:53 | <warren> whoa.
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| 19:53 | whoa.
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| 19:54 | I just realized that one of the older clients that disklessworkstations.com sent me is actually a GX1
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| 19:54 | I just realized that one of the older clients that disklessworkstations.com sent me is actually a GX1
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| 19:57 | <warren> oh, but only 64mb RAM
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| 19:57 | oh, but only 64mb RAM
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| 20:00 | wraplinux NBI is booting fine here.
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| 20:00 | wraplinux NBI is booting fine here.
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| 20:01 | Etherboot-5.0.5
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| 22:00 | <warren> tagging ltsp-trunk soon
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| 22:00 | tagging ltsp-trunk soon
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| 22:36 | <ball> popey: stop following me ;-)
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| 22:36 | popey: stop following me ;-)
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| 23:30 | <ball> hello johnny
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| 23:30 | hello johnny
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| 23:33 | <johnny> hello
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| 23:33 | hello
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| 23:33 | do you know me?
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| 23:33 | do you know me?
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| 23:33 | <ball> doubtful ;-)
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| 23:33 | doubtful ;-)
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