IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 27 December 2007 (all times are UTC)
| 00:18 | <daya> vagrantc, hi , can we have boot splashy in ltsp client,
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| 00:18 | <vagrantc> daya: go for it
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| 00:21 | <daya> vagrantc, I am trying to implement, splashy without the kernel patch
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| 00:22 | <vagrantc> daya: good luck
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| 00:22 | <daya> vagrantc, :), thanks
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| 01:00 | <mwright1> Hello everyone, is warren about? Want to ask him about Fedora 8 progress
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| 01:01 | <vagrantc> !seen warren
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| 01:01 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: warren was last seen in #ltsp 1 day, 7 hours, 22 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <warren> Q-FUNK, oh ok
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| 03:58 | <Merphy> hi everybody what this problem is and how to solve it mountd[5115]: bad path in mount request from 192.168.0.199: "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/ubuntu_6.10_i38"
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| 04:27 | <poliveira> Hi.
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| 04:27 | How can I export local devices to RDP session in LTSP 5. I tried with
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| 04:27 | -r disk:usbdisks=/var/run/drives/
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| 04:27 | but I can only mount USB pens
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| 04:28 | USB cdroms and local harddrives, the folder appear, but it can't mount. Is empty
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| 05:41 | <otavio> hi
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| 08:56 | <Spliffster> i am very new to terminal servers. i got my first thin client to boot off tftp and mount the nfsroot. so good so far. it looks like i need to compile my own kernel since input devices are not recognized
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| 08:56 | <Gadi> Spliffster: you shouldnt need to compile anything - what is not recognized?
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| 08:56 | <Spliffster> are there any things i must take care of / are special from normal i38 kernels ? how's the bootserver passed to the boot mechanism ... kernel parameter ?
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| 08:57 | Gadi i know i must
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| 08:57 | <Gadi> how do you know?
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| 08:57 | are you using a toaster as an input device/
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| 08:57 | we don't support toasters
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| 08:57 | <Spliffster> my hardware (ibm netvista n2200 thinclient anno 1999) cannot load bzimage or zimage kernels ... only uncompressed
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| 08:57 | <cliebow> ahhhhhh
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| 08:57 | <Gadi> ah, you have the netvista
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| 08:57 | <cliebow> the infernal 2200
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| 08:57 | <Gadi> enter cliebow
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| 08:57 | resident netvista expert
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| 08:58 | <Spliffster> yep
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| 08:58 | <cliebow> dub
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| 08:58 | <Spliffster> and there are still 15 let i can have
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| 08:58 | i want to set up int6ernet work stations with them
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| 08:58 | <cliebow> best you can do is the ltsp4.1
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| 08:58 | <Spliffster> *left not let
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| 08:58 | cliebow: ok ty ... what's current ?
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| 08:58 | <cliebow> 5
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| 08:58 | <Spliffster> cliebow: have you tinkered with the n2200 ?
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| 08:58 | <cliebow> they are tricksy to use..
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| 08:59 | read my wiki piece?
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| 08:59 | <Spliffster> i get it to boot so far and then it asks for the runlevel
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| 08:59 | <cliebow> in wiki.ltsp.org
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| 08:59 | <Spliffster> cliebow: yes
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| 08:59 | <cliebow> are you using ubuntu?
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| 08:59 | <Spliffster> local boot is not problem (cf card) but i want it disk less
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| 08:59 | cliebow: so far i am using an ubuntu server
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| 09:00 | but i have no distor preferences as lon as it is debian based ;)
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| 09:00 | just kidding ... i don't care
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| 09:00 | <cliebow> trying to understand where you are..you are booting a kernel from flashdisk?
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| 09:00 | <Spliffster> no no .. flasdisk is all dandy .. .was helpful for hardware identification
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| 09:01 | but now i am working on a 2.6 kernel which is loaded via tftp
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| 09:02 | <cliebow> then you are the only one so far who has netbboted to a 2.6 kernel...
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| 09:02 | <Spliffster> it is downloaded and starts initializing. after fixing some paths on the tftp server and the nfs server it boots, mounts the nfs / and then is starting up (/sbin/init probably). i get to the point where i get prompted for a runlevel
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| 09:03 | <cliebow> want to post a copy of the kernel to me somehow??
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| 09:03 | <Spliffster> cliebow: sorry this was a typo. i am running a 2.4 kernel but want to get a 2.6 kernel loading.
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| 09:04 | <cliebow> to my knowledge no one has done this on a 2200..
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| 09:04 | <Spliffster> cliebow: i haven't found anything about 2.6 on this as well
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| 09:04 | <cliebow> i do have a linux-2.6.20.3-LTSP-IBMNC.gz someone posted..mnever have hotten it to work
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| 09:04 | <Spliffster> but i ask myself if this client is usefull. i see some hardware with 128mbram and a 400-800mhz cpu for €100-200
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| 09:04 | (Euro)
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| 09:05 | <cliebow> i use 50 or more of the netvista..they are definitely downwardly mobile
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| 09:05 | <Spliffster> i am just tinkering with it because i got it fro free and always wanted to have diskless terminals
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| 09:05 | cliebow: ok
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| 09:05 | for x, how much ram is needed ?
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| 09:06 | is 32mb enough at 1024*800 ?
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| 09:06 | <cliebow> in ltsp4.1 32 will work'
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| 09:06 | <Spliffster> yay!
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| 09:06 | <cliebow> you cant get more than 800x600 i believe
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| 09:06 | <Spliffster> yes
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| 09:06 | 1024x800
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| 09:06 | but i guess more resolution, more memmory needed ? the video mem is actually taken from the actual ram
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| 09:07 | <cliebow> iirc..you have 3 meg video ram
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| 09:07 | <Spliffster> rgr
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| 09:07 | <cliebow> not 2 not 4...3 (for some reasoin)
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| 09:07 | <Spliffster> 3mb shared
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| 09:07 | i haven't bothred to try ltsp 4.1 i will try
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| 09:07 | <cliebow> i can give you a tarball of 4.2 with the 2.4.19 kernel...
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| 09:07 | whoops...4.1
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| 09:08 | <Spliffster> that would be really great man!
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| 09:08 | i'll just quickly ask apt-cache
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| 09:08 | 1 sec
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| 09:08 | nae, cliebow, ubuntu server shipts with only on version. the latest stable
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| 09:09 | *ships
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| 09:10 | cliebow: just outta curiosity. for what are you using these netvistas ?
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| 09:10 | <cliebow> try this..http://169.244.3.137/ltsp4.1.tar.gz
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| 09:11 | school lab..with 12" monitors even more downwardly mobile than the netvistas
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| 09:12 | pods of 4 in classrooms
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| 09:12 | <Spliffster> nice
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| 09:13 | i am the maintainer of some medical software which is mainly used in operating rooms. it would be great to replace our comodity pcs there with thin clients for one fucking reason: maintenance
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| 09:13 | and for the price of course
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| 09:13 | i have seen cool touchscreen thinclients with the mainboard built into the screen ...
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| 09:15 | look at this: http://www.lucidatech.com/product/lt3712.htm
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| 09:15 | they look really cool but sonly seem to sell in large quantities
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| 09:16 | has anyone in here had the chance to get his fingers dirty on such or simmilar hardware ? if so what are you using, where did you get it from ?
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| 09:17 | <cliebow> hang a sec...
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| 09:18 | they look like they will etherboot ok..
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| 09:18 | and there has been so,e work on amd geode..Gadi i think would know
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| 09:19 | Gadi:e AMD Geode LX 800 processor ??
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| 09:19 | they Look awesome...
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| 09:19 | <Spliffster> yeah
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| 09:19 | but i do not know the price yet. i have emailed them
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| 09:20 | i guess 22" is rather expensive. the hw specs look good for a snappy and responsive system
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| 09:21 | cliebow: btw the wiki entry about the 2200 was very helpfull. thaks!
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| 09:21 | <cliebow> sure!!..one of my few claims to real fame..
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| 09:21 | <Spliffster> :)
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| 09:22 | i have spent half my life with unix like systems but never have setup/maintained a terminal server so far. there were quit some new things to explore and without your howto it would have cost me a day or 2 more (at best)
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| 09:23 | <cliebow> hehhe..hate to think what time i spent..even had Gadi rabbit punch one a few times
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| 09:24 | sounds like your implementation would not require peripheral devices and such so much..
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| 09:25 | <Spliffster> cliebow: for now only a mouse and a keyboard. the best solution would be wireless peripherie. i must check if i can hide a logitech wireless keyboard receiver inside the flat panel. that'll be awesome. no cables except for net and power
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| 09:26 | <cliebow> yeah..
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| 09:26 | <Spliffster> but in the future i'd like to have a scanner attached as well. that's why i am not looking into absolute minimum hardware
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| 09:27 | it should be able to do ocr so the scanned documents can then be automagically filed (depending on their content)
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| 09:28 | <Gadi> hey, sorry guys - in and out - We are working to resolve some issues with the newest X.org (1.3) shipped in most distros and certain BIOSes used in conjunction with the AMD Geode processors
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| 09:28 | <cliebow> seems like you should pick ogra's brain on that piece..
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| 09:28 | <Gadi> there are several buggy such BIOSes that cause the new X.org's autodetection to hard lock the system
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| 09:28 | <Q-FUNK> naa
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| 09:29 | ogra's got his hands full on other stuff
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| 09:29 | <Gadi> right now, we have a workaround and are zeroing in on a solution to the problem
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| 09:30 | <Q-FUNK> Gadi: mind you, I wouldn't be surprised if GSW and LinuxBIOS followed AMD's documentation, while GeodeROM doesn't because it has internal fixes that never got documented.
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| 09:30 | <Gadi> Q-FUNK: yeah, I wouldnt be surprised either
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| 09:31 | * Gadi reminisces about good 'ole build_x4_cfg script that didn't use X -configure at all... | |
| 09:31 | <Q-FUNK> Gadi: btw, I got a pong from our CEO. he's putting me in touch with our GSW contact and Jordan filed a ticket with their marketing department too. we shold have the straight dope fairly soon.
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| 09:32 | for obvious reasons, it's important to AMD that commercial BIOSed purported to work on the LX indeed work as documented, so Jordan's got AMD's marketing on this now.
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| 09:33 | <Gadi> nice
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| 09:45 | <Spliffster> cliebow: do i need the data and pkg_cache dir ? i guess pkg_cache can be empty, can't it ?
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| 09:48 | <Gadi> Spliffster: in LTSP 4.1 those dirs were used by ltspadmin to store the packages it downloaded
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| 09:48 | they are only used for installation purposes
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| 09:49 | <Spliffster> i see, data is also used by dpkg ?
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| 09:49 | <Gadi> not dpkg
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| 09:49 | LTSP 4.1 had its own package
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| 09:49 | <Spliffster> ok
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| 09:49 | <Gadi> indeed its own package management
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| 09:50 | <Spliffster> so the one provided by ltspadmin/ltspctrl-something ?
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| 09:50 | <Gadi> (there has always been a desire to keep LTSP distro-independent)
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| 09:50 | you need to run ltspadmin
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| 09:50 | <Spliffster> rgr
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| 09:50 | <Gadi> and follow the menus
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| 09:50 | <Spliffster> i see it now
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| 09:50 | i must have doen that ;)
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| 10:19 | <poliveira> Hi. How can I export local devices to RDP session in LTSP 5. I tried -r disk:usbdisks=/var/run/drives/ but I can only mount USB pens, USB cdroms and local harddrives, the folder appear, but it can't mount. Is empty
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| 10:22 | <Gadi> poliveira: you cannot by default, because rdesktop doesnt speak ltspfs
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| 10:23 | you need to either integrate ltspfs locally or simply install autofs in the chroot
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| 10:23 | and use it as an alternative
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| 10:24 | <poliveira> ok. thank you. I am going to try with autofs
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| 10:25 | is there a howto anywhere? :)
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| 10:25 | <Gadi> you can pretty much follow any howto for autofs on a regular Linux box
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| 10:26 | just do everything in the chroot
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| 10:26 | <poliveira> ok. I use autofs to mount LDAP accounts, so I will give it a try
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| 10:27 | <Gadi> the default autofs maps have commented out examples, too
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| 10:27 | btw, the other alternative is to rdesktop from the LTSP server
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| 10:28 | that is, make rdesktop one of the *server* sessions
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| 10:28 | that way, if localdev works on the server, it works through rdesktop
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| 10:29 | <poliveira> but only the devices plug in the server will appear on the rdesktop
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| 10:29 | correct?
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| 10:29 | <Gadi> right
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| 10:29 | so, if you launch rdesktop from the server with:
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| 10:29 | rdesktop -r disk:drives=/media/$USER <IP>
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| 10:30 | then, you will get a Windows drive mapped to: /media/$USER on the server
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| 10:30 | which is the directory that is populated with the ltspfs mounted devices
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| 10:30 | and, voila!
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| 10:31 | so, you can have your users log into a Windows session on the server rather than Gnome
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| 10:31 | if you like
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| 10:31 | the Windows session is just rdesktop running fullscreen
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| 10:32 | ah, the games you could play :)
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| 10:32 | <poliveira> hmm. I think that will work great. Instead of making a rdesktop connection for each thin client. if I make it trought the server, then the windows will think it's only one connection with multiple users instead of one connection for user.
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| 10:32 | <Gadi> do you understand what I mean?
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| 10:33 | well Windows can handle multiple connections from the same host
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| 10:33 | it will just report all the users coming from the same hostname
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| 10:33 | but, if you dont care about that....
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| 10:33 | <poliveira> yes. but windows allows a limited rdesktop connections, correct?
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| 10:34 | <Gadi> its a soft limit
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| 10:34 | and it depends on ur licensing
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| 10:34 | but, you need a license for every user in either case
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| 10:34 | <poliveira> if they came from the same IP, I can get "unlimited" connections
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| 10:34 | <Gadi> so, you're covered
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| 10:35 | <poliveira> great! thanks a lot. Now, back to work :)
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| 10:35 | <Gadi> with M$ it doesnt matter what happens techincally - only what happens when you are sued
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| 10:35 | :)
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| 10:35 | don't make the mistake of not paying for licenses
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| 10:36 | <poliveira> do you think that using this "bypass" I can have problems?
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| 10:37 | <Gadi> what kinds of problems?
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| 10:37 | licensing? no - as long as you have a license for every user
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| 10:38 | dont make the mistake of buying 1 device license since only the server connects to the WTS
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| 10:38 | as long as you have licenses for all your users (or devices) M$ will be happy
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| 10:38 | <poliveira> ok :)
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| 10:39 | <Gadi> the truth is, there are so many bugs in WTS license server that it will give you unlimited licenses more often than not :P
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| 10:39 | but, that makes no difference when you are sued
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| 10:40 | <poliveira> that's true
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| 10:50 | btw Gadi, I'm trying this on a debian sarge. Do you think it's a problem?
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| 11:30 | <Gadi> poliveira: shouldnt be
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| 11:35 | <Q-FUNK> poliveira: mind you, Sarge is really outdated.
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| 11:35 | <Q-FUNK> poliveira: and Etch already is rather deprecated. if you're gonna use Debian, I'd recommend at least Etch.
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| 11:37 | <poliveira_> I know. But the distro I am working is still sarge. We are working on Etch, but it will take some time to be completed
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| 14:00 | <cliebow> !seen sbalneav
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| 14:00 | <ltspbot> cliebow: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 1 week, 6 days, 3 hours, 54 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <sbalneav> I guess the idea is: ship it in the safe, encrypted mode, and then if people decide they can be less safe, in exchange for speed, then they can, easily.
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| 16:20 | <arudin> has anybody tried to get cd/dvd burning running with ltsp5? There exists the implementation steps for LTSP4.1 by Scott Balneaves, but I don't find anything similar for LTSP5
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| 22:46 | <daya> Hi channel,
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| 22:48 | <daya> In etch I can't unmount the USB drive, it says can't determine the real path of the device:No such file or directory
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| 22:48 | in ltsp client,
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| 22:56 | <daya> vagrantc, hi,any idea about unmount problem in ltsp client
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| 23:09 | <open_lad> have any one here tried or know about using webcam in LTSP clients?
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