IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 4 August 2019 (all times are UTC)
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| 17:24 | <alkisg> vagrantc, ltsp now isn't installable in kde plasma; can we just remove all those DE dependencies, as with fat chroots now they're not a hard dependency, and we don't really maintain that list? I'm guessing there are 3-4 other DEs that are missing too..
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| 17:26 | <vagrantc> not sure which list you're referring to
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| 17:26 | <alkisg> Or at least lower them to recommends; now if one wants to install ltsp in kde, he gets something else too, like mate
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| 17:26 | apt show ltsp-server-standalone | grep Depends
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| 17:26 | mate-desktop-environment | gnome-session | x-session-manager | x-window-manager
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| 17:27 | <vagrantc> i don't see kde mentioned there
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| 17:27 | <alkisg> I say we just drop all that line, or at least reduce it to recommends/suggests
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| 17:27 | Right, and that's the problem
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| 17:27 | So ltsp can't be installed in kde without installing mate too
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| 17:27 | <vagrantc> well, for ltsp19, we can drop standalone, no?
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| 17:27 | <alkisg> Sure; I'm talking about people installing ltsp now...
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| 17:27 | ltsp19 will only have minimal dependencies etc
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| 17:27 | <vagrantc> installing kde should satisfy x-session-manager or x-window-manager, no?
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| 17:27 | <alkisg> No
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| 17:27 | <vagrantc> if not, it's surely a bug
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| 17:27 | <alkisg> As it doesn't provide it
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| 17:28 | <vagrantc> sounds like a bug in those packages
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| 17:28 | <alkisg> In any case, I don't think it's our place to hunt those bugs
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| 17:28 | <vagrantc> "standalone" does depend on one of those things
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| 17:28 | <alkisg> As we don't really need any one of these, no
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| 17:28 | It's fine to have a standalone ltsp server without xorg
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| 17:28 | As we mainly recommend fat clients now
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| 17:28 | These were for thin clients
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| 17:29 | <vagrantc> so you're saying since we're dropping thin clients, we drop the server-side depends on a desktop environment?
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| 17:30 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I'm saying we don't want to depend on them, since we don't depend on the user requiring thin clients
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| 17:30 | I.e. just lower those to recommends or suggests
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| 17:30 | Or omit them completely
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| 17:31 | <vagrantc> in a talk right now and have a talk in a few minutes ... so will need to chat later
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| 17:31 | <alkisg> Markit came here yesterday saying he can't install ltsp
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| 17:31 | Sure
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| 17:31 | (and I don't want to have to hunt the other packages to provide x-window-manager etc since we don't even require them)
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| 17:39 | echo $(apt-provides x-session-manager)
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| 17:39 | ubuntu-session ubuntu-session cinnamon-session gnome-session gnome-session gnome-session-flashback gnome-session-flashback lxqt-session lxsession mate-session-manager openbox openbox openbox-lxde-session sugar-session ukui-session-manager unity-session unity-session xfce4-session
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| 17:39 | Yeah plasma-workspace isn't even remotely mentioned there
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| 17:45 | https://termbin.com/fsh8r
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| 17:45 | The debian list is a lot smaller... but does have plasma
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