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Channel log from 6 February 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 04:06 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> mornings
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| 05:49 | <perb> some here having experience in running icewm with ltsp?
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| 05:52 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> perb: me
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| 05:52 | ;)
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| 06:07 | <cliebow> i do
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| 06:07 | <perb> great
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| 06:08 | trying to strip down the icewm menu completely
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| 06:08 | <cliebow> icewm with nautilus on top in the high school
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| 06:08 | just edit /usr/locala/share/icewm/menu
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| 06:08 | <perb> so that my clients only will have firefox and gaim as options in the menu + logout
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| 06:08 | but have only one entry in the menu file at the moment (firefox)
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| 06:08 | <cliebow> i just add buttons to toolbar
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| 06:09 | as well
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| 06:09 | <perb> but it still shows 'Programs' 'Thems' etc
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| 06:09 | <cliebow> cant comment them out?
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| 06:09 | hmm..i guess i nees sto look
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| 06:09 | <perb> little bit confused in that area, since the entries are not in the menu file..
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| 06:09 | <cliebow> from school
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| 06:09 | <perb> do I have to override some settings?
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| 06:10 | <cliebow> guess i might be too 8~)
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| 06:10 | <perb> :)
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| 06:10 | <cliebow> i dont know if preferences file has anything.
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| 06:10 | <perb> have seen some other people that done it, looks really nice and clean
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| 06:10 | tried to look at it, but couldn't find it
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| 06:14 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> perb: http://pastebin.com/876597 my menu
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| 06:14 | but the empty menus still there
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| 06:19 | it's only a visual problem...
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| 06:19 | <cliebow> feature?
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| 08:02 | <ndim> Where should I look when the DHCP server sets the LTSP client's hostname to "foo", but the XSERVER = radeon in the [foo] section in lts.conf is being ignored?
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| 08:25 | <ndim> Hmm. Now it works?
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| 08:25 | Strange stuff.
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| 08:28 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:33 | <Envite> sbalneav: good afternoon here ;)
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| 08:33 | <g333k_work> mORING!
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| 08:33 | mORning!
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| 08:39 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 10:24 | <dan__t> werd
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| 10:25 | What's up, kids.
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| 10:25 | I'm about to stab this old printer. It's not printing dark enough, and CUPS doesn't seem to care what I set the thing to.
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| 10:26 | "it was working fine under Windows" - I don't want to have that talk again with my tech support manager haha.
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| 10:26 | <efra> Morning everybody
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| 10:27 | <dan__t> hey dood.
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| 10:28 | <jvin248> Hi everyone. Need help with client sound (and local USB would be nice, but secondary). I have Kubuntu 6.10 LTSP running and cannot get sound to redirect from server to clients (edited /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf to add sound=true and sound_deamon=esd, as well as localdev = true in default section).
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| 10:29 | <cliebow_> dan__t: you can always get the "Vista" doll ...comes completwe with pins and matches
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| 10:29 | <dan__t> haha
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| 10:31 | I could also hand out chisels and blocks of granite, but I'd rather not.
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| 10:32 | The printer has nothing to do with LTSP, LTSP works very very well.
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| 10:32 | I just needed to bitch and moan.
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| 10:33 | <jvin248> dan_t: I had the same problem (bar codes weren't printing dark enough from laser printer), go to system settings, printers, select your printer, configure, and change "toner saving" to off (which was my problem), or try the other settings for quality, toner density, etc.
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| 10:34 | <dan__t> Yes, toner density is at 5, the max. Going to double check toner saving now, however, I'm almost certain I set that to off.
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| 10:34 | er, i have no toner saver option.
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| 10:35 | wtf is REt setting
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| 10:35 | <jvin248> printing I had under toner saving was 1 pixel dark outlines with light grey in-shading. Is that what yours looks like or just all grey?
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| 10:35 | not sure on REt..
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| 10:35 | <dan__t> It's all just not there. Any text that might have a blue background, is almost completely faded.
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| 10:36 | The toner could still be replaced, but even so, we get back to the "but windows didn't do this" lameness.
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| 10:36 | I should see SOME darkness.
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| 10:38 | <jvin248> was this recent or a newly installed driver? Maybe create another printer configuration pointing to the same device and install a different driver option. Almost the windows reboot trick..
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| 10:38 | <dan__t> haha
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| 10:38 | hpjis is what its using now, iirc....
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| 10:41 | <jvin248> Ive got a HP1100 laserjet and driver is "foomatic/ljet4 (recommended)"
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| 10:42 | <dan__t> THat's what I'm trying now.
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| 10:52 | <dan__t> Ok, went with a new driver.
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| 10:52 | Awesome.
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| 10:52 | I didn't even think of that, thank you.
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| 10:58 | <jvin248> Sure. I'll guess you can now turn on/off "toner saving" too... just remember where the toggle switch is and you'll be ok : )
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| 10:58 | <dan__t> heheh
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| 11:09 | <cbx33> hey guys
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| 11:09 | <jvin248> Could I be missing sound and local dev support from manually apt-get installing "ltsp-server-standalone opensh-server" and then "ltsp-build-client" vs ltsp server install on the alternate kubuntu 6.10 disk? If so then how can I update?
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| 11:10 | <cbx33> ltsp-build-client --extra-mirror=http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty universe
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| 11:10 | is that right syntax?
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| 11:11 | <jvin248> I'll try that and see what it says..
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| 11:11 | <cbx33> try what?
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| 11:11 | don't try my command....heheh...I'm trying to get help
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| 11:12 | as to if it's the right syntax or not
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| 11:12 | ping sbalneav
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| 11:12 | <jvin248> ok, looked impressive though
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| 11:12 | <dan__t> haha
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| 11:12 | <cbx33> :p
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| 11:13 | not as impressive as
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| 11:13 | IP=192.168.16.5 ; ping -c1 $IP | grep "NULL"; arp -a | grep $IP
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| 11:14 | <PMantis> #postfix
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| 11:19 | <cliebow_> anyone remember 4.1??
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| 11:19 | running linuxrc
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| 11:19 | something /proc
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| 11:19 | dhcpcd fails..
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| 11:20 | so no pivot root or mount huh
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| 11:20 | the way these logs read it just did second dhcp already
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| 11:44 | <cliebow_> heh..does three..
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| 12:58 | <cbx33> anyone in here able to help me with ltsp-build-client
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| 12:58 | ltsp-build-client --extra-mirror=http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty universe
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| 12:58 | is that the right syntax?
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| 13:27 | <dberkholz> that looks like something you might want double quotes around, since there are spaces in it
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| 13:31 | <mathesis> what window manager is efficient for cyber ltsp?
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| 13:31 | se efra
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| 13:41 | <CanyonMan> has anybody here had any luck with surplus neoware thin clients?
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| 13:43 | <cliebow_> someone reported success with them..and managed to extricate bios pw from the makers
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| 13:43 | <CanyonMan> Oh you did? Cool
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| 13:43 | Mine didn't come locked so I am OK there
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| 13:44 | <cliebow_> couple weeks ago..lemme see if i have it
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| 13:44 | <CanyonMan> My problem is that I want it to boot off of a CF flash card that's connected through an IDE adapter ... but the neoware doesn't seem to be willing to do that. It's weird.
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| 13:44 | I tried all the PIO modes as well, no luck
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| 13:45 | <cliebow_> yeas..article was from roy souther 1/03/07
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| 13:46 | <CanyonMan> found it
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| 13:46 | interesting
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| 13:48 | the approach I'm taking now is to try to get the Disk-on-Chip loaded with grub only, we'll see where that goes.
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| 13:48 | Can't say I'm especially hopeful at this point.
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| 15:50 | <petre> anyone know what X_HORZSYNC and/or X_VERTREFRESH settings I need to fix a 'wavy' monitor?
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| 15:52 | <MaCaDe> petre: that depends entirely on the monitor, try googling the model number
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| 15:55 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ree
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| 15:55 | i installed ltsp-4.2 at other p4 with ethernet e100 drivers and client continues said Error! dhcpcd failed! kernel panic - not syncng :/ what i do ?
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| 15:58 | <petre> MaCaDe, yeah, did that, got the specs; it's a Dell D1025ht, made by sony
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| 15:58 | I'm just not sure which setting needs adjusting
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| 15:59 | Actually, I'm fuzzy at best in understanding what each of these do
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| 15:59 | guess I'll just do some more trial & error
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| 16:03 | <MaCaDe> petre: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/09/msg00226.html
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| 16:03 | Identifier "Dell 1025H"
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| 16:03 | HorizSync 30-96
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| 16:03 | VertRefresh 48-120
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| 16:08 | <g333k_work> Hello why when I connect my usb drive I see it empty?
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| 16:09 | I've already enabled local devices on ltsp 4.2
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| 16:12 | any clue?
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| 16:13 | somebody?
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| 16:18 | <MaCaDe> not me, but be patient, answers sometimes come after an hour or more.
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| 16:23 | <g333k_work> :(
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| 16:23 | I got to go to my house.... :(
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| 16:42 | <alma> hello, is everyone here?
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| 16:48 | <g333k_work> me
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| 16:48 | somebody help me solving my local devices problem please
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| 16:56 | <Envite> g333k_work: maybe I can (but only maybe)
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| 16:57 | <g333k_work> Envite, I have done almost all steps of troubleshooting, all passed well, but in step 11 i cannot execute this line as a ws001 user, just as root, and it creates the Temp drive in the Desktop but empy
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| 16:58 | empty*
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| 16:59 | <Envite> hmmm
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| 17:01 | <g333k_work> Gadi, heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp
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| 17:01 | <Envite> g333k_work: which wiki document are you following ?
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| 17:01 | <g333k_work> Envite, http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Enabling_localdevice_on_the_clie
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| 17:02 | <Gadi> hey, g333k_work - I just popped in for a bit, while some stuff compiles
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| 17:02 | hows ur rebooting?
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| 17:04 | <g333k_work> Gadi, working very well
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| 17:04 | Gadi, thanks for the help
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| 17:04 | <Gadi> great!
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| 17:04 | <Envite> g333k_work: which line? first one with lbus?
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| 17:04 | <Gadi> does it work when NFS dies?
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| 17:05 | <g333k_work> Gadi, the think is that I want it to work for more purposes.... like that my client call myshutdown when I disconnect its server from the net ie.
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| 17:06 | Gadi, when I disconnect the server network cable my client just dies
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| 17:06 | Envite, /usr/sbin/lbus_event_handler.sh add block /tmp 1024 Temp
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| 17:06 | <Gadi> g333k_work: even with a daemon running in memory?
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| 17:06 | or did you not get that far?
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| 17:06 | <g333k_work> Gadi, didnt
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| 17:08 | <Gadi> g333k_work: for your testing, I would just boot a client to a "shell" and pull the network line and see what you can make happen on the scren
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| 17:10 | <g333k_work> Gadi, tell me more about the daemon that you were talking about last time... the nfs watcher
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| 17:11 | Envite, no clues?
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| 17:11 | <Envite> g333k_work: I think that it is correct that only root can do that
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| 17:11 | it is the second part of the problem which troubles me
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| 17:11 | <g333k_work> Envite, well so why is it mounting my devices empty?
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| 17:12 | I have passed almost all steps, local devices should be working well in my system
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| 17:12 | <Envite> the Temp icon appears, isn't it?
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| 17:12 | <Gadi> g333k_work: well, to test it, I would just boot a thin client to a shell and run somethings like:
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| 17:14 | <g333k_work> Envite, yep
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| 17:14 | <Gadi> while :; do echo "Checking NFS..."; cp /etc/lts.conf /dev/null 2>/dev/null; [ "$?" != 0 ] && myshutdown -r; sleep 5; done
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| 17:14 | <g333k_work> Envite, but empty, when I connect my usb key it appears but also empty
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| 17:14 | <Gadi> then pull the network cable on the thin client and see if you still get output to screen and reboots
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| 17:14 | <Envite> ok, g333k_work
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| 17:15 | if it appears by itself means that lbus is working ok
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| 17:15 | <g333k_work> Gadi, to call myshutdown in this script it should be localted in /usr/bin right=
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| 17:15 | }?
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| 17:15 | <Gadi> no
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| 17:15 | sorry
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| 17:15 | you should copy myshutdown to /tmp
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| 17:16 | and execute it as: /tmp/myshutdown
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| 17:16 | <Envite> g333k_work: what appears when you exec "mount" ?
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| 17:17 | <g333k_work> Gadi, ok
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| 17:17 | Envite, many lines
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| 17:18 | <Envite> jajaja
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| 17:18 | any line about ltspfs ?
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| 17:19 | <g333k_work> Envite, noup
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| 17:19 | Envite, spanish speaker?
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| 17:20 | Gadi, ok let me try that and I'll tell you the results
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| 17:20 | <Envite> ok, so the problem is with the mount, not the lbus firing
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| 17:20 | g333k_work: sí
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| 17:21 | <g333k_work> Envite, me too :p
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| 17:21 | Envite, I think we could understand each other better in spanish :p
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| 17:21 | <Envite> g333k_work: yes, i was thinking the same, if nobody complains
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| 17:23 | g333k_work: ejecuta ' lsmod | grep fuse ' en el servidor
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| 17:24 | <g333k_work> Envite, ok esperame un momento porque apague el servidor un momento
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| 17:35 | <g333k_work> Envite, ok ahora si
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| 17:36 | Envite, root@ltsp-desktop:~# lsmod | grep fuse
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| 17:36 | fuse 41864 0
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| 17:43 | <g333k_work> Envite, nevermind everything is working after I rebooted my server :s
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| 17:53 | <cliebow> mistik1_:!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 17:55 | <chupacabra> whoot
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| 17:57 | <cliebow> working??
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| 17:57 | YO!
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| 19:01 | <agliodbs> who's going to SCALE?
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| 20:28 | <jodell> is any one else using "thick" think clients with LTSP?
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| 20:29 | Basically I am using ltsp to provide the root via NFS but desire the client to appear as a full system.
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| 20:29 | Seems to be working great but was wondering what others have experianced.
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| 20:33 | <cliebow> well..i used macintosh 5260 nubus machines as chuby clients..that was an experience...tohught id even do a beowulf cluster and get the processing power of your average laptop..
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| 20:34 | <jodell> right now I am using amd AthelonM with 1GB ram. SIS chip set (cheapy pcchips mobo).
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| 20:35 | biggest problem I had was rebuilding the iniramfs to include the sis190 driver.
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| 20:35 | the fat client with 17" LCD is costing me less than $300 US
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| 20:37 | I added 2 100GB sata3 using md raid 0 for the "server" (just NFS/DHCP) and added a 1Gb copper eth
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| 20:38 | Just feel like I am missing something that will bite me later
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| 20:38 | <cliebow> jodell:sounds like a pretty good setup..
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| 20:38 | how many users?
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| 20:38 | <jodell> 4 stations at this point.
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| 20:39 | I figure I can scale to 10 before I need to start using ram disks for some of the os.
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| 20:39 | <cliebow> might want to bump you ram..if serving more than that with firefox/oo
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| 20:39 | <jodell> That was what I was thinking.
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| 20:39 | <cliebow> figure 256 for the server and maybe 80 meg per client for a working number
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| 20:40 | <jodell> Woudl i need to bump ram on teh client, not the server?
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| 20:41 | X and all apps are on the client.
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| 20:42 | <cliebow> no..some of mine are still 32 meg..64 is like a rock..
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| 20:42 | all apps on client isee
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| 20:42 | <jodell> I know not the real idea of ltsp.
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| 20:43 | <cliebow> on ltsp-4.2..ubuntu ltsp5 reqiuirres more ram
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| 20:43 | <jodell> I jsut found that I could build think clients for small installs (<20) cheaper than a server that I was comfortable with.
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| 20:43 | <cliebow> ltsp..all apps can run on server..update server..all clients get the update
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| 20:44 | i use all junk
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| 20:44 | <jodell> I am deb using ltsp5 (at least that is what I think the deb packages are)
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| 20:44 | <cliebow> donations from the bank..whatever
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| 20:44 | <jodell> who are you building for?
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| 20:45 | <cliebow> 100 clients for maybe 200 dollars plus labor
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| 20:45 | 12 schools ..downeast maine
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| 20:46 | build a prommed card for 10 bucks..pop it in a tired machine..new life
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| 20:46 | <jodell> sound like the kind of stuff that I used to dream of.
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| 20:46 | <cliebow> rebuild an old card for a buck 50
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| 20:46 | <jodell> you work for the school?
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| 20:47 | <cliebow> yeah..ellsworth school
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| 20:47 | just now started using pxe boot
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| 20:47 | <jodell> makes it much harder.
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| 20:47 | PXE is the bomb.
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| 20:47 | <cliebow> bioses were too old to support it
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| 20:48 | <jodell> Only thing I don't like is the extra tftp calls to get to the default boot
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| 20:48 | <cliebow> but etherboot will do alternate dhcp..flies under the radar of existing dhcp
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| 20:48 | boot times are like 35 seconds with 4.2
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| 20:48 | on a p1 133
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| 20:49 | with 64 meg ram
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| 20:49 | <jodell> I clocked < 22 to a full KDE desktop using autologin using the thicks i built.
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| 20:49 | <cliebow> fast!! debian?
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| 20:50 | <jodell> I am thinking of moving to linusBios and flash to get the "instant on" feel
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| 20:50 | etch.
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| 20:50 | Updates are a constant PITA.
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| 20:50 | <cliebow> most of my time is in post
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| 20:50 | <jodell> I hate bleeding on the OS edge.
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| 20:51 | <cliebow> im still learning as well...we use icewm with nautilus on top..saves some time
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| 20:51 | <jodell> I lose more time in dhpc
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| 20:51 | I was thinking of that or tw.
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| 20:51 | Client wanted a more "apple" feel.
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| 20:52 | <cliebow> icewm is so eeasy to offer the programs you want
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| 20:52 | <jodell> this first setup is going into a daycare for running old dos games.
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| 20:52 | I'll have to look into ice
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| 20:52 | <cliebow> you independent then?
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| 20:52 | can make ends meet?
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| 20:52 | <jodell> trying to be. I am a *nix/net admin for Xerox.
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| 20:52 | <cliebow> ahh
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| 20:52 | <jodell> Not yet.
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| 20:53 | There is a model that will support independence.
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| 20:53 | getting started is the hard part.
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| 20:54 | <cliebow> i'll do it when i retire..im getting up there
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| 20:54 | been building a clientele around the day job
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| 20:54 | <jodell> That is what I am doing.
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| 20:55 | do you have a business model in mind?
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| 20:55 | <cliebow> in the city?
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| 20:55 | no not really
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| 20:55 | ive been in business since 81..b oatbuilder etc
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| 20:55 | til i sold out in 2003
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| 20:55 | <jodell> mmmm boats.
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| 20:56 | <cliebow> ran a ferry business
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| 20:56 | i need to pack it in for thenight..be around tomorrow...
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| 20:57 | <jodell> Nice talking to you. See you around
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| 20:57 | <cliebow> 8~)
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| 20:57 | i leave this on so i dont miss any tidbits..
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| 20:59 | <jodell> any other fat/chubby client builders out there?
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| 21:53 | <vagrantc> aw, just missed another debian user interested in ltsp fat clients ... :(
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| 21:57 | <bricode> vagrantc: Yeah, I missed him too.
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| 23:10 | <Barry[out]> someone have ltsp workiing ou opensuse ?
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| 23:10 | i dont know where they "hide" the gdm config file
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