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Channel log from 23 October 2013 (all times are UTC)
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| 05:00 | <alkisg> steven_lkz: that means that it doesn't have access to the X display
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| 11:37 | <Joanet> Hi all,
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| 11:38 | after changing my client from thin to fat, I cannot print using server printer. I've read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPFatClients but I don't understand what to do
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| 11:39 | As I can see, I have to run this at server : echo "ServerName 192.168.0.254" > /opt/ltsp/$CHROOT/etc/cups/client.conf , changing the IP address. Am I right?
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| 11:47 | <Hyperbyte> No
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| 11:47 | This you would accomplish by setting CUPS_SERVER=192.168.0.254 in lts.conf.
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| 11:53 | <Joanet> Hyperbyte: only adding CUPS_SERVER=192.168.0.254 at lts.conf and restarting the service will do the trick?
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| 12:02 | <Hyperbyte> You don't need to restart any service. You need to restart the client.
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| 12:11 | <Joanet> I've added CUPS_SERVER=192.168.0.254 to /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf but cannot connect, and netstat says it's listening on 631/tcp
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| 12:19 | <Hyperbyte> Joanet, question is, what is in /etc/cups/client.conf on the client?
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| 12:22 | <Joanet> Hyperbyte: the content of the file is : ServerName SERVER_IP
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| 12:22 | but I've tryed to telnet server:631 and could not do the connection
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| 12:25 | failed to connect to server
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| 12:27 | <Hyperbyte> ServerName SERVER_IP ?
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| 12:27 | <Joanet> i mean the server ip
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| 12:27 | ServerName 10.10.10.254
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| 12:27 | <Hyperbyte> Right, but I'm confused.
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| 12:27 | What are you trying to do?
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| 12:28 | <Joanet> I want to be able for printing from fat or thin clients
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| 12:28 | I can print from the server
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| 12:28 | <Hyperbyte> You are trying to set up the client to print from the server... which you have done... and your complaint is that it can't connect to the server.
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| 12:28 | In that case you should be debugging the server, not the client.
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| 12:28 | <Joanet> but if I start a fat client I cannot print
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| 12:29 | doing netstat -an|grep "631" I can see
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| 12:30 | <Joanet> only 631/tcp is listening from 127.0.0.1 and ::1
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| 12:30 | not at 0.0.0.0 or 10.10.10.254
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| 12:32 | <Joanet> at cupsd.conf I can see only listen form localhost...
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| 12:35 | I've changed Listen to *:631 and I can connect :)
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| 12:35 | but "client-error-forbidden" error is shown... I'll check it
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| 12:39 | <boool4> Hello, can you give me that HP Thin Client work certainly with LTSP? I have purchased five of these machines and install the LTSP. They can be used.
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| 12:40 | What kind of models you have experience?
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| 12:40 | <vlt> boool4: ?
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| 12:41 | HP t5xxx
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| 12:41 | <boool4> I know that whether should have PXE. As for AMD? Atom? VIA?
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| 12:41 | All HP t5xxx ??
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| 12:42 | http://allegro.pl/terminal-hp-t5735-1000mhz-512-mb-ram-1-gb-flash-i3635862505.html
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| 12:42 | ??
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| 12:42 | <vlt> boool4: All HP t5xxx *that I have tested so far* work. A gew years ago I began to replace the older t53xx with t57xx because they felt too slow.
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| 12:43 | boool4: t5735 should have even DVI and works fine *in my environment*
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| 12:44 | boool4: NB: I had to switch my DE (to MATE) on Ubuntu when they introduced Unity.
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| 12:47 | <boool4> Ok, we have a t5735 for AMD Sempron. Is this the ATOM will not be better: http://allegro.pl/terminal-hp-st5747-atom-n280-1-66ghz-2gb-ddr3-i3649251124.html
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| 12:47 | ?
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| 12:48 | <vlt> boool4: “Better” always needs a “for”.
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| 12:48 | <Joanet> Hyperbyte: Done! Added 'Allow All' to Location / at cupsd.conf
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| 12:48 | <vlt> boool4: If you want to run local apps on the client that demand more power or RAM then they might be better.
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| 12:49 | boool4: For example.
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| 12:53 | <Joanet> bye
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| 12:57 | <boool4> I understand that these are also ok: http://store.disklessworkstations.com/hp-thin-clients.html?open=
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| 12:58 | I have a confusion in my head ..
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| 12:58 | <bennabiy> I personally use hp st5742 and they work great
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| 13:00 | If you use the st models, they are built for LTSP :) The only thing you need to do is apply a fix to make the video behave properly. I can post the details if you want
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| 13:02 | <boool4> I would be grateful for any information :)
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| 13:10 | <bennabiy> !learn hp-st5742 as The HP st5742 video patch -- Signs of this are your login prompt being off to the right side of the screen (Like a dual display would split) and very low resolution. To fix in Ubuntu related distros: edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf and edit the line "CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="init=..." adding video=LVDS-1:d to the end before the final ". Then run /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels in the chroot, and l
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| 13:10 | <ltsp`> The operation succeeded.
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| 13:10 | <bennabiy> !hp-st5742
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| 13:10 | <ltsp`> hp-st5742: The HP st5742 video patch -- Signs of this are your login prompt being off to the right side of the screen (Like a dual display would split) and very low resolution. To fix in Ubuntu related distros: edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf and edit the line "CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="init=..." adding video=LVDS-1:d to the end before the final ". Then run /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels in the chroot, and (1 more message)
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| 13:11 | <bennabiy> !forget hp-st5742
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| 13:11 | <ltsp`> The operation succeeded.
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| 13:14 | <bennabiy> !learn st5742 as Symptoms: Login screen off to right side and low resolution. To fix in Ubuntu related distros: edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf and edit the line "CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="init=..." adding video=LVDS-1:d to the end before the final ". Run /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels in the chroot, and ltsp-update-kernels outside of it.
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| 13:14 | <ltsp`> The operation succeeded.
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| 13:14 | <bennabiy> !st5742
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| 13:14 | <ltsp`> st5742: Symptoms: Login screen off to right side and low resolution. To fix in Ubuntu related distros: edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf and edit the line "CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="init=..." adding video=LVDS-1:d to the end before the final ". Run /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels in the chroot, and ltsp-update-kernels outside of it.
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| 13:15 | <bennabiy> work_alkisg: how can I add that to the wiki?
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| 13:23 | <Hyperbyte> bennabiy, register for an account
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| 13:32 | <bennabiy> I have. Where would the best place be to post it?
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| 13:44 | <boool4> using st5742 which processor you have there?
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| 13:56 | <bennabiy> Atom N280
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| 13:56 | I just use them as thin clients
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| 13:56 | they are not powerful enough for effective fat clients
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| 15:20 | <steven_lkz> hi all, i use crontab on one of clients, but it didn't work. why?
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| 15:35 | <bennabiy> steven_lkz: depends, do you have more details?
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| 15:37 | <steven_lkz> bennabiy: i was running as a client, and then i use "crontab -e" to add my script. but i found it didn't run.
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| 15:40 | <bennabiy> Have you checked crontab -e to see if it is actually there? Also, were you trying to run something on the local machine, or on the server?
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| 15:42 | <steven_lkz> i was able to run my script on command line. i pasted command line to crontab, but it didn't work.
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| 15:45 | bennabiy: do u know how to take screenshot of one user on the server? i've installed epoptest, and can see the client's screen. i want to record the client screen every 5 minutes.
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| 16:01 | <stgraber> jammcq: damnit, just got an e-mail telling me our flights to Boston was changed for one two hours later...
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| 16:04 | jammcq: I'll call and see if I can get us back on the original flight since according to air canada's website it still exists... I hate when they do that...
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| 16:05 | <ogra_> what are the time/date for the car pickup ?
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| 16:05 | was that on 29th or 30th
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| 16:05 | <stgraber> Thursday, so the 31st
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| 16:07 | <ogra_> ok
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| 16:07 | when do you guys plan to drive back ?
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| 16:07 | <stgraber> leaving Sunday morning, arriving in BOS around 5pm IIRC
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| 16:08 | <jammcq> ogra_: i'm in Boston on wednesday, the 30th
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| 16:08 | and we need to get the van back to the airport by 4:30pm on Nov 3rd
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| 16:09 | <stgraber> jammcq: ah, spending the night in BOS?
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| 16:09 | <jammcq> stgraber: hopefully they'll get you on the good flight.
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| 16:09 | yeah
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| 16:09 | I'll pickup the van wednesday night, so I'm all ready thursday morning
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| 16:10 | first person to arrive is 7:05am
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| 16:10 | <ogra_> k
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| 16:11 | <jammcq> ogra_: my guess is flights from europe will arrive in the afternoon
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| 16:11 | I don't think red-eye works that way
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| 16:11 | unless you go the long way around
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| 16:14 | * ogra_ still hanst cleared his ESTA ... i nmeed to see how that goes ... you theoretically need to have it 10 days before flying | |
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| 16:47 | <stgraber> jammcq: so the flight leaving montreal at 6:45am no longer exists so there's no way we can possibly arrive before 10:08am in BOS...
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| 16:53 | <ogra_> 8.597,15 €
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| 16:53 | hmm
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| 16:53 | * ogra_ considers to remove the checkmark on "first class" | |
| 16:55 | <alkisg> Hehe maybe we should switch to virtual meetings like Ubuntu UDS :D
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| 17:08 | <stgraber> jammcq: so we seem to have two options, either you can wait for us and we leave BOS 2 hours later or I try to fight my way to get us on a late flight to BOS on Wednesday and stay the night there (have to check with Simon whether that'd work for him, not sure when he finishes work on Wednesday)
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| 17:15 | * ogra_ sighs | |
| 17:15 | <ogra_> i cant find any sane flights
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| 17:15 | nothing below a 25h durarion and many hops
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| 17:30 | <bennabiy> alkisg: I could more likely attend a virtual meeting than an actual
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| 17:37 | <stgraber> ogra_: a quick search seems to show United as having reasonbly cheap flights, though that's United...
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| 17:37 | ogra_: where are you flying from?
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| 17:37 | * vagrantc likes the sound of this | |
| 17:38 | <stgraber> vagrantc: yeah, doing the whole booking flights mess... ogra_ still needs flight and I need to figure out what to do with mine since they decided to change them for me this morning (making me and Simon arrive two hours later than expected in BOS)
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| 17:42 | <alkisg> bennabiy: I was joking, but on second thought, maybe we could have 2 meetings per year, a physical and a virtual one...
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| 17:43 | Since we also stopped the #ltsp-meeting's...
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| 17:45 | <bennabiy> Where is the best place on the wiki to post the fix for hp st57** series video issues?
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| 17:46 | * alkisg hasn't been involved with the wiki much | |
| 17:46 | <alkisg> But... those things should be fixed in code rather than in wikis
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| 17:47 | So that users don't experience them at all...
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| 17:47 | <vagrantc> or at least as bug reports
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| 17:47 | so that developers knwo what to fix
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| 17:48 | <alkisg> Can that fix only be applied from pxelinux, or /etc/modprobe.d works too?
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| 17:50 | <alkisg> If so, maybe we could have an /etc/modprobe.d/ltsp-quirks.conf file with all the known bugs/workarounds...
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| 17:52 | Maybe this would work in /etc/modprobe.d/ltsp-quirks.conf: options video LVDS-1:d
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| 17:52 | ...and update-initramfs -u
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| 17:53 | * alkisg wonders if that can be done dynamically on init-top, though | |
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| 18:17 | <steven_lkz> alkisg: hello, bother u again. run export on client side or server side?
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| 18:18 | alkisg: i can see the client screen on server side using epoptes.
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| 18:19 | alkisg: i run export and screenshot on both server side and client side
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| 18:20 | alkisg: but still cannot capture screen of client
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| 18:21 | <alkisg> steven_lkz: sorry, no time to help now... bbl
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| 18:30 | <bennabiy> If we need to experiment with code, I have a spare station I can set up to test
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| 18:44 | <mgariepy> alkisg> Hehe maybe we should switch to virtual meetings like Ubuntu UDS :D : NO please ;) I might go next year!
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| 19:30 | <vagrantc> virtual food just isn't as enjoyable
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| 19:49 | <jammcq> mgariepy: umm, yeah, i'm not crazy about the virtual UDS
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| 19:49 | I think it missed a very important aspect of getting together to brainstorm
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| 19:52 | <jammcq> stgraber: what time does that 2-hours later flight arrive at BOS?
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| 19:56 | <stgraber> jammcq: 10:08am
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| 19:56 | <jammcq> well... worst case, we'd all go get breakfast and then come back to the airport to pick you guys up
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| 19:57 | I think eHarrison arrives about 7:45am
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| 19:57 | it's not the end of the world
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| 19:57 | <stgraber> at least we're arriving domestic so there should be much delay after we land
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| 19:58 | <jammcq> if, on the other hand, you came in on wednesday, I'm staying at the Fairfield in Revere, MA
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| 19:58 | it's about 8 miles from the airport
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| 20:04 | <stgraber> jammcq: I'm trying to figure out who to call to look into moving our flight a day early... the airlines say they can't do any changes and expedia says I need to talk to the airlines... love that mess
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| 20:05 | there's a 7:55pm flight on Wednesday that'd work for me but I need to figure out who to ask for it and so far they seem very good at redirecting me but not at much else
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| 20:05 | <jammcq> because they made scheduling changes, the airline should allow you to change the flight
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| 20:05 | without penalty
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| 20:05 | any info in the email from them?
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| 20:06 | <stgraber> well, it's a weird mess because of expedia. I'm used to airlines changing the flights and that's usually solved with a simple call.
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| 20:06 | <jammcq> ah
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| 20:06 | expedia... powered by microsoft
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| 20:06 | 'nuff said
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| 20:06 | <stgraber> here I got an e-mail from expedia instead of the airline, that tells me to call the airline, but the airline says they can't do anything about it because it's locked on their end since it's been booked by expedia
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| 20:06 | so I've been playing that ping pong game with expedia, united and aircanada for about 3 hours now ;)
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| 20:07 | <jammcq> and expedia probably doesn't have any phone lines
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| 20:07 | <stgraber> they do, but they basically tell you that they only book and that the rest is handled by the airlines
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| 20:07 | which seems reasonable if the airlines would let me do the damn change
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| 20:28 | <stgraber> jammcq: got the situation unblocked, so expedia can actually do the change but they need aircanada's approval for a flight the day before, so waiting on that now
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| 20:28 | apparently they're allowed to move you by up to 4 hours as a "minor" change and so you can negociate any flights in a 4 hours window, but anything more than that they don't have to accept...
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| 20:31 | <jammcq> so... have they not accepted it yet? or are you still waiting for a response?
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| 20:33 | <stgraber> on hold waiting as expedia calls aircanada to try and get us on the 7:55pm flight (arriving 9:08pm)
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| 20:33 | <jammcq> ah
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| 20:33 | well... either way, we'll make it work
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| 20:33 | I didn't expect zero problems
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| 20:46 | <stgraber> jammcq: approved by aircanada, now they need to call united for ticketing, so back to being on hold...
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| 21:21 | <stgraber> jammcq: and all set, our flights got changed
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| 21:22 | jammcq: is that the hotel you're staying at? http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/bosrf-fairfield-inn-and-suites-boston-north/
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| 21:40 | <jammcq> stgraber: Fairfield Inn & Suites Boston North 100 Morris Street,
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| 21:40 | Revere, Massachusetts 02151
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| 21:40 | looks like the same one
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| 21:41 | <stgraber> ok, booking a room there then
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| 21:41 | <jammcq> k, cool
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| 21:41 | I'll plan on picking you up at the airport. send me flight deteails when you get a chance
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| 21:41 | I gotta run
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| 21:41 | so... talk to you guys later
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