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Channel log from 30 November 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:50 | <lbs> hi
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| 06:52 | <lbs> whether the ltsp thin-client user the same as the ltsp-server's user?
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| 06:55 | <ogra> there re no users on the thin clients
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| 06:55 | *are
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| 06:56 | all sessions run on the server using server users usually
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| 06:56 | <nubae> thats a weird comment :-)
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| 06:56 | <lbs> Oh,I see.
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| 06:56 | <ogra> nubae, but a true one :)
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| 06:57 | at least for ubuntu and debian :) i thik fedora doesnt lock root ... so you might have a root user there
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| 06:57 | <nubae> good way to confuse the new ltsp user ;-)
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| 06:57 | <lbs> How can I start service daemon under thin-client
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| 06:58 | <nubae> services run on the server
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| 06:58 | <ogra> what exactly do you want to achieve ?
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| 06:58 | <lbs> I want to install iTALC
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| 06:59 | <nubae> apt-get install italc-master
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| 06:59 | <lbs> I install the iTALC on the server.
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| 07:00 | <nubae> like ogras comment above, there are no apps on the client :-)
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| 07:00 | <lbs> but how can the thin-client to install the iTALC?
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| 07:01 | But if I want to start the service daemon when the thin-client user logon,what can I do?
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| 07:02 | I want to use Italc to manage the thin client.
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| 07:02 | <ogra> nubae, i didnt say that :)
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| 07:02 | <lbs> I chroot to /opt/ltsp/i386.
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| 07:03 | <nubae> lbs: uneeded, read above
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| 07:03 | ogra: but an equally obscure comment thats true :-p
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| 07:04 | <rjune_> ogra: correct, fedora has a root user
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| 07:04 | <nubae> all distros have a root user
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| 07:05 | <rjune_> nubae: but ubuntu locks it.
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| 07:05 | <nubae> yeah silliness if u ask me
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| 07:07 | what exactly is the purpose of locking the root user?
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| 07:07 | <ogra> security
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| 07:07 | <lbs> ogra:I was confused about the /opt/ltsp/i386,what's the function?
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| 07:08 | <ogra> lbs, depends on the distro you use
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| 07:08 | <lbs> oh,I use ubuntu 8.10
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| 07:08 | <ogra> in ubuntu its the source tree from which the thin client image is built with ltsp-update-image
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| 07:08 | other distros use it directly via nfs as the client root
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| 07:09 | <lbs> does the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.local the same as /etc/rc.local?
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| 07:09 | <nubae> not really
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| 07:10 | <lbs> If I want to run daemon when the thin-client user logon,can I use the /etc/rc.local ?
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| 07:10 | <nubae> ogra: security for what exactly, for me its just a hinderance, unlocking is not exactly rocket science
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| 07:11 | <ogra> lbs, yes, but for italc you shouldnt need that
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| 07:12 | nubae, its just to not shoot yourself in the foot if you fiddle with your chroot ...
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| 07:12 | <lbs> Really?How can I make the thin-client run Italc and let the master to manage it?
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| 07:12 | <nubae> just install it, everything will just work
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| 07:13 | <lbs> I just installed it,but It doesnt work.the italc version is 1.0.9
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| 07:14 | I can run iTALC ON THE SERVER, But I cannot connect to thin-client.
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| 07:14 | <nubae> right, that requires something else
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| 07:15 | connect by putting in 10000 as connection with the last 3 numbers being the ip
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| 07:15 | so 192.168.0.5 = 10005
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| 07:15 | localhost:10005
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| 07:16 | <lbs> You mean iTALC 1.0.9 CAN do it.
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| 07:16 | <nubae> yes, absolutely
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| 07:16 | <lbs> oh,Than you.
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| 07:17 | I 'll read the script of ica-launcher.
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| 07:20 | nubae:iTALC to connect to iTALC client using IVSPORT OR ISDPORT?
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| 07:20 | <nubae> what?
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| 07:21 | <lbs> Just now ,I read the /usr/bin/ica-launcher script.
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| 07:21 | I saw the ivsport and isdport.
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| 07:21 | <nubae> i have no idea what isd or ivs port is
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| 07:22 | what happens when u try to run italc?
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| 07:22 | it should just work
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| 07:22 | <lbs> when my ubuntu start.I run my iTALC master interface.
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| 07:23 | it's ok.then I boot my thin-client.
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| 07:23 | and in the iTALC Master interface.I add the thin-client.
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| 07:23 | using localhost:11168.
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| 07:24 | <nubae> add thinclient as localhost:10000 ?
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| 07:24 | no....
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| 07:24 | 10168
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| 07:24 | not 11
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| 07:24 | <lbs> Ok,I'LL TRY IT.
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| 07:24 | THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
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| 07:24 | * ogra shades his ears :) | |
| 07:25 | <nubae> lol
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| 07:25 | <lbs> AND I have to offline for a while.
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| 07:25 | see you late.
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| 07:25 | see you later.
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| 07:26 | <nubae> ogra: did u hear anything back from oem team about certification?
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| 07:26 | <ogra> nope
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| 07:27 | i would have pinged you ...
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| 07:27 | <nubae> yeah, just thought Id throw it out there, have hordes of laptops laying around here, but would really like to do something official
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| 07:28 | people seem to want that kind of thing... u know... certified to do whatever...
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| 08:17 | <lbs> nubase:I just did a experiment.and it'ok,thank you again.
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| 08:18 | ogra:thank you for your help.
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| 08:18 | see you.
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| 09:23 | <warren> pscheie: severe insomnia, I will have to talk with you later re: making live images
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| 09:23 | <lxj> nubae:are you online.
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| 09:23 | <warren> pscheie: not like anybody else shows up for the meetings
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| 09:25 | <lxj> who knows iTALC?
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| 09:26 | Can one italc client be managed by two iTALC master?
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| 09:26 | one client only hold on teacher's public key file.
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| 09:32 | <Comet> man this frets on fire game is like hard or something.
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| 09:36 | <lxj> ogra:are you online?
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| 09:36 | <petre> morning all
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| 09:40 | <lxj> hi
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| 09:49 | <petre> warren, I tested printing via jetpipe and it worked fine
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| 09:49 | once I got pyserial installed
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| 09:50 | and hpijs
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| 11:11 | <Q-FUNK> hm
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| 11:45 | <nubae> lxj I am now
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| 12:19 | <warren> petre: meaning jetpipe is missing requires?
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| 12:47 | <petre> warren, yes
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| 12:47 | warren, that aside, it worked fine, both parallel & usb
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| 12:56 | <warren> petre: how much bigger will that make the live image?
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| 12:57 | petre: do you think we should just add the Requires, or split jetpipe into its own sub-package?
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| 13:30 | <petre> warren, sorry, I'm tending to a sick kid, so I keep popping in & out
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| 13:31 | pyserial is 237368 bytes
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| 13:31 | so, I think including it won't make a big difference
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| 13:32 | <warren> hpijs and pyserial
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| 13:32 | <petre> warren, the other thing I had to add was hpijs which is 2.3MB
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| 13:32 | <warren> i'll just add them...
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| 13:32 | <petre> sounds good, makes it more complete
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| 13:32 | <warren> oh wait
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| 13:33 | hpijs and pyserial need to be added to the client chroot?
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| 13:33 | <petre> pyserial does
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| 13:33 | but not hpijs
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| 13:33 | hpijs is printer driver stuff (I think)
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| 13:33 | <warren> hpijs goes on the server side?
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| 13:33 | <petre> right
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| 13:35 | <warren> ok, that'll be in the next build
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| 13:35 | bbl
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| 17:10 | <philipp_> hi
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| 17:13 | can anybody here tell me whether it is possible (without too much effort) to configure ltsp to use the original server os and desktop on the thin client?
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| 17:14 | this would be comparable to a remote desktop via xdmcp but with sound etc.
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| 17:15 | I have to go now but I would appreciate a yes/no answer. I will look at the logs. Thank you and good night.
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| 17:15 | <vagrantc> that's the normal LTSP setup
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| 17:15 | <philipp_> no in ubuntu its a chroot
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| 17:16 | <vagrantc> but you log into the server and run the server's applications
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| 17:16 | <philipp_> there is this directory /opt/ltsp/i386 which is a root directory for the os used on the client?
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| 17:16 | hm
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| 17:16 | <vagrantc> yes, but that's just enough to get it to log into the server and run the applications on the server.
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| 17:16 | <philipp_> i don't have access to the accounts and home directories of the server when accessing by a client
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| 17:17 | <vagrantc> how do you mean?
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| 17:17 | the thin-client itself doesn't have access to them, no. but all the thin-client does is log you into the server.
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| 17:18 | you don't have accounts on the thin client, you don't log into the thin-client. everything save for the mouse, keyboard and monitor is happening on the server.
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| 17:18 | <philipp_> i would like to use the existing server user accounts on the client
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| 17:18 | and this doesn't seem to be possible
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| 17:18 | <vagrantc> i don't understand what you want. everything you're saying sounds like the default behavior.
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| 17:20 | <philipp_> i tried to login on the client with a username which exists on the server and it didn't work
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| 17:20 | should it work?
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| 17:20 | <vagrantc> yes.
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| 17:20 | <philipp_> ok
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| 17:20 | thank you
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| 17:20 | i will have to look into it again
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| 17:20 | good night then
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| 18:25 | <lbs> hi
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| 18:25 | <lbs> Does anybody use classroom management tool iTALC?
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| 18:29 | I'd like to know which soft should be install under the chroot enviroment?
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| 18:47 | <johnny> you sure there isn't a howto on the ubuntu wiki?
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| 18:47 | there might be?
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| 18:53 | <lbs_> johnny:I read the wiki,but some is too old.
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| 18:55 | the wiki doesnt say how to install soft under ltsp-thin-client.and my applications just installed in the server.
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| 18:56 | when the user logon from the thin-client ,they can use the applications which installed in the server.
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| 19:00 | <johnny> that is normal
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| 19:00 | so.. you can not find on ubuntu wiki any information for italc?
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| 19:16 | <lbs_> johnny:I found some.
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| 19:17 | I just want the iTALC client can be managed by two iTALC Master interface.
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| 19:18 | Now ,one iTALC Client can only be managed by one iTALC Master.
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| 19:22 | <johnny> lbs_, i have no idea if that is even possible
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| 19:22 | try back tomorrow..
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| 19:23 | <lbs_> johnny:thank you.
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| 20:04 | <alfo> hi im having trouble configuring kiwi anyone¿?
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| 20:20 | <vagrantc> !seen gadi
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| 20:20 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: gadi was last seen in #ltsp 4 days, 4 hours, 15 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <Gadi> cheers
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| 20:21 | <johnny> hello vagrantc
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| 20:21 | we finally got lcd monitors for our clients
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| 20:21 | now we don't know what to do with our old monitors :(
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| 20:22 | baltimore has an electronics recycling program.. but i don't necessarily believe that they go to a nice place
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| 21:24 | <henshan> hello
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| 21:25 | :-(
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| 21:26 | =-O
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| 22:04 | <Shingoshi> There is no system available for Slackware. How can I build LTSP5 in a package format for redistribution?
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| 22:05 | And, can LTSP boot AMD64 Opteron boxes?
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| 22:07 | <Ryan52> the second one is yes...
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| 22:07 | what's a "package format for redistribution"?
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| 22:08 | <Shingoshi> Not rpms, but tgz instead. So that they can be installed from a repository.
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| 22:08 | <Ryan52> just get it from bzr.
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| 22:08 | <Shingoshi> Here is where I'm looking now. http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/IntegratingLtsp
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| 22:08 | I will try this and get back.
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| 22:08 | <Ryan52> https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream
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| 22:09 | <Shingoshi> Is that the line I should use then?
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| 22:13 | <johnny> Shingoshi, you will have to create a bzr branch
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| 22:13 | and start work on the slackware plugins under server/ltsp-build-client/plugins
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| 22:14 | look to the debian/gentoo/fedora/ubuntu files for inspiration
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| 22:14 | <Shingoshi> Thanks guys.
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| 22:14 | <johnny> i did gentoo with a mixture of what was in debian/ubuntu/fedora
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| 22:14 | the issue for you is not package formats quite yet
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| 22:15 | it is that ltsp-build-client cannot build a working slackware chroot to boot your clients off of
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| 22:15 | <johnny> that is the most important thing that needs to be done
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| 22:15 | after you get that worked out.. then you can package it up in a tarball
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| 22:15 | <vagrantc> well, package up the scripts into a tarball
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| 22:16 | <johnny> atm.. there is zero/zilch/none slackware support
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| 22:16 | vagrantc, !
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| 22:16 | vagrantc, you turned me into more of a nerd
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| 22:16 | <vagrantc> johnny: i don't see how i could have, seeing as you already preferred gentoo.
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| 22:16 | <johnny> sure.. but now i'm a train nerd now
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| 22:17 | <vagrantc> ah.
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| 22:17 | <johnny> err too*
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| 22:17 | <johnny> vagrantc, i switched my laptop to fedora tho btw
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| 22:17 | <Gadi> vagrantc: u rang?
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| 22:17 | <vagrantc> Gadi: hey!
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| 22:17 | <johnny> first time i've used a redhat distro on the desktop since 2001
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| 22:18 | <vagrantc> Gadi: looks like cdfs is back in shape for lenny, so i'm interested in those patches again :)
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| 22:18 | <johnny> well.. technically.. not just desktop
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| 22:18 | <Gadi> ah
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| 22:18 | and here I thought I was in trouble
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| 22:18 | :)
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| 22:18 | <johnny> i've logged into some rhel/centos servers .. but i never chose it..
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| 22:19 | <Gadi> well, I have implemented ghotofs already - cdfs should be analogous
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| 22:19 | lemme have a look at the cdfs man page a sec...
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| 22:20 | <johnny> hmm.. what are you guys doing now..
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| 22:20 | <vagrantc> Gadi: though you have udev rules for recognizing PTP cameras ... not sure what you'd do to discover an audio CD
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| 22:20 | <johnny> hal..
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| 22:20 | <Gadi> vagrantc: indeed I do
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| 22:21 | but I also modify the mount/unmount that ltspfs does
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| 22:21 | <johnny> hmm.. are you guys making ltsp too complicated again?
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| 22:21 | <Gadi> to allow for fusemounting
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| 22:21 | <vagrantc> johnny: no, just adding support for USB cameras and audio CDs
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| 22:21 | well, pseudo-support for both, really.
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| 22:21 | <Gadi> hmm... why does cdfs depend on kernel-package and module-assistant?
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| 22:21 | that's ugly
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| 22:22 | <vagrantc> well, there's no pre-built modules
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| 22:22 | <Gadi> can you elaborate?
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| 22:22 | <vagrantc> you have to build the module yourself
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| 22:22 | rather than apt-get installing them
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| 22:23 | <Gadi> por que?
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| 22:23 | <johnny> because there is no prebuild deb :)
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| 22:23 | <Gadi> where is the OSS for the lazy bastard?
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| 22:23 | <vagrantc> anyone wanting OSS is not a lazy bastard.
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| 22:23 | <Gadi> oh, I beg to differ
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| 22:23 | :)
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| 22:24 | * vagrantc wonders why gadi switched the topic to sound systems | |
| 22:24 | <vagrantc> :)
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| 22:24 | <Gadi> so, is this package gonna tell me what to do or what?
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| 22:25 | either its late or this is not the most user-friendly of things
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| 22:25 | <vagrantc> Gadi: you on debian or ubuntu?
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| 22:25 | <Gadi> Ill give you 2 guesses
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| 22:25 | :)
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| 22:25 | <johnny> ubuntu.
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| 22:25 | * vagrantc doesn't know if it works in ubuntu | |
| 22:26 | <johnny> unbutu
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| 22:26 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 22:26 | johnny: stop. ur both right!
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| 22:26 | <vagrantc> Gadi: on Debian: m-a build ; dpkg -i /usr/src/$yourpackage.deb
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| 22:26 | Gadi: oops....
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| 22:26 | or maybe: m-a install
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| 22:27 | <Gadi> dude
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| 22:27 | already beyond the scope of this course
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| 22:27 | dropping cdfs support :P
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| 22:27 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 22:27 | <johnny> vagrantc, what about cd writing :)
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| 22:27 | hehe
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| 22:27 | <Gadi> moving on...
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| 22:27 | <vagrantc> yes, move along.
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| 22:27 | nothing to see here.
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| 22:27 | * vagrantc nudges johnny grumpily | |
| 22:28 | * Gadi hits johnny with a local app | |
| 22:28 | <Gadi> :)
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| 22:28 | <johnny> it ain't goin nowhere
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| 22:28 | <Gadi> amazing how localapps makes everything possible
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| 22:28 | <johnny> btw.. i tried local apps on ubuntu.. it does work :)
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| 22:28 | <Gadi> :)
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| 22:28 | who claimed otherwise?
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| 22:29 | <johnny> just verifying :)
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| 22:29 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 22:29 | <vagrantc> it's almost like LTSP developers know what they're doing or something
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| 22:29 | <johnny> i still need mor ram before i can use it
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| 22:29 | * Gadi hands johnny an ill-tempered ewe | |
| 22:29 | <Gadi> its close
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| 22:29 | <johnny> it's not as fast as i'd like it.. i need to see if it is network bound or not
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| 22:29 | <vagrantc> loading, or running?
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| 22:29 | <johnny> vagrantc, my friends are starting a fund to get me out to portland again :)
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| 22:31 | <Gadi> well, while I have you guys here, stgraber and I have been working out a S* K* script dir for before and after screen-sessions
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| 22:31 | we find that there are certain things we need to set up in the environment at times pre-Xserver
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| 22:31 | <vagrantc> Gadi: wow. we're getting S & K crazy here.
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| 22:32 | <Gadi> well, we liked it so much the first two times :)
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| 22:32 | <johnny> i'm not used to this S & K stuff..
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| 22:32 | gentoo's init system is dependency based.. no S & K
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| 22:32 | <Gadi> like peeling an onion
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| 22:32 | or something
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| 22:32 | gentoo never ever used SyssV
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| 22:32 | ?
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| 22:32 | *SysV
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| 22:33 | <johnny> i don't know about never
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| 22:33 | it does use /etc/inittab.. but it's not the same as yours
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| 22:34 | <Gadi> "we dont have one since feisty" (in german accent)
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| 22:34 | <vagrantc> night all
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| 22:34 | * Gadi is not sure if that is factually accurate | |
| 22:34 | <Gadi> :)
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| 22:34 | night, vagrantc
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| 22:34 | <johnny> i have to run to the store, before it closes
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| 22:34 | bb in 15
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