IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 10 July 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 04:17 | <Shingoshi> ogra: I don't know if you would still remember me or not.
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| 04:17 | * Shingoshi says hi! | |
| 04:23 | <MrMoo> Shingoshi, everyone is asleep
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| 04:27 | <Shingoshi> ok
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| 04:27 | I am sending him an email now.
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| 04:27 | As for sleep, so should I be!
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| 04:28 | Going to bed after this.
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| 04:28 | cul8tr
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| 05:02 | <gvy> MrMoo, not everyone :)
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| 05:04 | <MrMoo> gvy, yes not normally this quiet
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| 05:05 | <gvy> MrMoo, btw tnx for couple added hints on freenx
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| 05:05 | <krinns> hey
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| 05:05 | i am getting strange things in ltsp
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| 05:05 | i have ubuntu dapper
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| 05:05 | with ltsp 4.2
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| 05:06 | <gvy> prolly you want something fresher with 5...
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| 05:06 | <krinns> some of my users gets hand for 2 -3 minutes and then resume
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| 05:06 | well i cant change over night
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| 05:06 | <gvy> 4.2 has had its fair share of idiosynrcacy in scripts...
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| 05:06 | krinns, i'd first look into basic networking with that
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| 05:07 | <krinns> well
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| 05:07 | honestly
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| 05:07 | <gvy> if there's no significant package drop in "ifconfig" run locally,
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| 05:07 | <krinns> i ahve 40 windows users n 40 thin clients
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| 05:07 | <gvy> then i'd continue to i/o spikes (collectd installed and running largely helps to find those)
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| 05:07 | <krinns> my voip set is connected to I/O ports and then pc is connected to VOIP sets
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| 05:08 | <krinns> even thinclient hangs voip works cools
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| 05:08 | <gvy> +check the swap, is it used or not...
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| 05:08 | <krinns> so i cant be networking issue then
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| 05:08 | <gvy> ah
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| 05:08 | then free ram/io?
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| 05:08 | <krinns> how i check
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| 05:08 | <gvy> free
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| 05:08 | w
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| 05:08 | free wil tell memory/swap stats
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| 05:09 | w will tell load average (that is, how much processes are waiting for disk i/o on average for 1/5/15 min)
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| 05:09 | <krinns> total used free shared buffers cached
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| 05:09 | Mem: 3108640 2727180 381460 0 332112 644384
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| 05:09 | -/+ buffers/cache: 1750684 1357956
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| 05:09 | Swap: 7815544 5316 7810228
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| 05:09 | <gvy> or cat /proc/loadavg
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| 05:09 | swap is ok
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| 05:09 | <krinns> how i check how much users are connected
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| 05:09 | <gvy> w :-)
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| 05:09 | it's short of "who"
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| 05:09 | <krinns> cat /proc/loadavg
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| 05:10 | well who cant tel me correctly as wht i think
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| 05:10 | it shows only 2 usres
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| 05:11 | <gvy> on ts?
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| 05:16 | <krinns> yes
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| 05:17 | <MrMoo> krinns, you can have ltsp 4.2 and dapper's muekow (ltsp 5.0) side by side
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| 05:17 | <krinns> no
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| 05:17 | i cant
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| 05:17 | i have to change then
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| 05:18 | n i cant not afford change mean while
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| 05:18 | i wan to streamline things
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| 05:18 | <MrMoo> I mix LTSP 4.2, Edgy and Feisty clients with a Ubuntu Feisty server
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| 05:20 | you can also get gutsy working with a bit of work :P
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| 05:27 | <paras> channel, i have installed ltsp in debian etch, from client ldm is not loading.. what might go wroing..i have used ltsp-buildclinet
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| 05:29 | <MrMoo> no login window or no valid login?
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| 05:33 | <krinns> hum
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| 05:33 | hey
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| 05:33 | i want admin user to run gnome-cups-manager as root
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| 05:33 | so i add it in sudoers file
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| 05:33 | <MrMoo> gksudo gnome-cups-manager
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| 05:33 | <krinns> but it seems not workin
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| 05:34 | <MrMoo> edit sudoers with visudo
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| 05:34 | <krinns> admin ALL=(ALL) /usr/bin/gnome-cups-manager,/usr/bin/gnome-cups-add
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| 05:34 | i did that
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| 05:34 | in suders file
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| 05:35 | <MrMoo> sudoers is really odd you have to then run /usr/sbin/gnome-cups-manager
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| 05:35 | it doesn't translate paths
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| 05:35 | <krinns> when i ssh -x admin@remotemachine
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| 05:35 | Last login: Tue Jul 10 15:28:22 2007 from 10.8.0.1
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| 05:35 | To run a command as administrator (user "root"), use "sudo <command>".
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| 05:35 | See "man sudo_root" for details.
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| 05:35 | what this mean
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| 05:35 | <MrMoo> gnome-cups-manager != /usr/bin/gnome-cups-manager
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| 05:35 | rather annoying
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| 05:36 | <krinns> what u mean
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| 05:36 | ?
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| 05:36 | <MrMoo> sudo doesn't resolve the program location
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| 05:36 | <krinns> true
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| 05:36 | <MrMoo> sudo gnome-cups-manager is different to /usr/bin/gnome-cups-manager
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| 05:36 | <krinns> thats why i addadmin ALL=(ALL) /usr/bin/gnome-cups-manager,/usr/bin/gnome-cups-add
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| 05:36 | <MrMoo> sudo /usr/bin/gnome-cups-manager
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| 05:36 | <krinns> ok
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| 05:37 | <MrMoo> then you have to run "sudo /usr/bin/gnome-cups-manager"
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| 05:38 | I had a similar problem with sudo before
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| 05:38 | <daya> ogra, hi
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| 05:40 | <paras> where can i see the log in my client.. i am not getting login screen.
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| 05:40 | <MrMoo> so an X11 problem
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| 05:40 | try forcing driver and resolution in lts.conf
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| 05:41 | or, add a shell, set a root password in the chroot, and check the Xorg log file for errors
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| 05:41 | <ogra> MrMoo, why with a bit of work ? gutsy should work out of the box atm ...
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| 05:41 | (at least i'm not aware i broke it :) )
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| 05:41 | <MrMoo> gutsy client against feisty server
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| 05:41 | <ogra> hey daya
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| 05:42 | <daya> there is not lts.conf file, by default
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| 05:42 | <MrMoo> for the squashfs network block device
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| 05:42 | <ogra> oh, right, feisty server will have probs since it uses an old nbd-server
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| 05:42 | the gutsy version uses different options
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| 05:42 | daya, in ltsp5 ? thats right ... you dont need one
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| 05:42 | <paras> MrMoo, where does the lts.conf resides? /etc/lts or /etc
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| 05:43 | <MrMoo> you can also force NFS with root=/dev/nfs and skip the initrd routines
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| 05:43 | <daya> ogra, do now ltsp support sound in Debian etch,
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| 05:43 | <MrMoo> paras, /opt/ltsp/i386/etc usually
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| 05:43 | <paras> MrMoo, ok .. i am using 5 . there is none
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| 05:43 | <daya> ogra, we are trying to install ltsp , but the client is unable to start GUI, what might be the error,
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| 05:43 | <ogra> daya, it should work, yes (even though i dont test debian ... i havent heard any different)
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| 05:44 | <daya> ogra, we are dropped to shell in client instead of GUI login prompt,
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| 05:44 | <paras> MrMoo, i checked xorg.log .. it is saying no screen found
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| 05:45 | <MrMoo> paras, it cannot detect the video chipset it would appear
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| 05:45 | <ogra> daya, if you hit alt-f7 is there a login screen ?
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| 05:45 | <paras> MrMoo, yes .. any solution for that?
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| 05:45 | <daya> ogra, no I an'
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| 05:45 | can't found it,
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| 05:46 | <ogra> thats the standard etch ltsp ?
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| 05:46 | <cliebow> bbl
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| 05:46 | <MrMoo> if you have a shell run dmesg and scroll through the text to check for a video chipset name :O
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| 05:46 | or open up the box and have a look
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| 05:47 | <paras> ogra, installed from http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto?highlight=%28ltsp%29
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| 05:47 | <ogra> if you only used the top howto that should work out of the box ...
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| 05:48 | i have no idea about the backported stuff at the bottom
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| 05:48 | (i dont touch debian, you need to wait for vagrantc)
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| 05:48 | <MrMoo> a popular problem is incorrect detection of 17" LCD monitors with 1280x1024 resolution
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| 05:48 | <paras> ogra, ok.. we have used it since the top how to doesnot work with sound...
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| 05:49 | <ogra> afaik the version in etch is based on the same code as ubuntu edgy ...
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| 05:49 | in edgy sound works out of the box, weird that you didnt get it working on debian
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| 05:50 | but really, vagrant ports the ubuntu stuff over to debian so he's your man
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| 05:50 | <ogra> (he might be travelling today though)
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| 05:51 | i just can talk for ubuntu, there sound works out of the box since three releases
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| 05:51 | <paras> MrMoo, displasy chip is i1810
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| 05:52 | <MrMoo> oh, yup that's an unlucky chip
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| 05:52 | you sometimes have to force the video ramsize as it can be shared with system memory
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| 05:53 | <paras> MrMoo, ok in which file?
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| 05:54 | <ltsppbot> "MrMoo" pasted "/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf for i810" (3 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/210
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| 05:55 | <MrMoo> as an example, adjust for whatever memory you have setup
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| 05:55 | <ogra> is that on debian ?
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| 05:55 | mm
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| 05:55 | i thought they use the same i810 drive as ubuntu does ...
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| 05:55 | <MrMoo> I'm hoping its the same \:D/
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| 05:56 | <ogra> at least in feisty my 810 and 910 systems wrk out of the box here ... weird that you have to force the driver in debian
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| 05:56 | <MrMoo> depends on the box, there are a lot of variations
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| 05:56 | <ogra> (in gutsy even with compiz out of the box ;) )
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| 05:57 | <MrMoo> although Intel is usually quite good, strange :/
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| 06:00 | <MrMoo> gutsy has an "intel" driver too
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| 06:03 | <ogra> right
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| 06:03 | that prevents you from having to use 915resolution ... which the old i810 driver needs to the the rsolution right
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| 06:20 | <MrMoo> Is there any nice way to automagically clean up broken user environments?
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| 06:20 | The two popular issues so far have been Firefox & Thunderbirds wonderful .parentlock files
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| 06:21 | Then nautilius and many children hanging about after a crash
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| 06:21 | <gvy> MrMoo, re "sudo doesn't resolve the program location": it's broken sudo build w/o hardwired PATH
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| 06:21 | in altlinux, sudo is also build properly. :)
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| 06:22 | ah, re sudoers -- there one should put full paths nevertheless
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| 06:22 | if anything, for certainity
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| 06:22 | <MrMoo> I use it for an automated tested setup, root for raw socket access.
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| 06:23 | <gvy> MrMoo, video chipset is not exactly likely to reveal in `dmesg`
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| 06:24 | <MrMoo> Thunderbird with one email with ~15MB of photos kills all my thin clients :(
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| 06:24 | <gvy> lspci or cat /proc/pci and resolve by hand via some local pci.ids...
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| 06:24 | MrMoo, add some swap, no?
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| 06:24 | we had similar trouble with firefox and w/o (or with not enough) swap...
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| 06:25 | it was remedied to some extent by using openbsd malloc but not the magic dust of course
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| 06:25 | ff would blow X server full of cra... images, that is
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| 06:26 | <MrMoo> yup,
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| 07:15 | <MrMoo> how easy would it be to setup sshfs and a ultra-simple exec-only ltsprshd to implement basic LocalApps
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| 07:15 | <ogra> MrMoo, trivial depending on yur skills :)
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| 07:16 | <MrMoo> scim-tomoe is running too slow on the server
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| 07:16 | <ogra> you need to install all bits for sshfs in the chroot ...
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| 07:16 | <MrMoo> should be lighter than nfs?
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| 07:17 | <ogra> for feisty you then would need to add a line that mounts the home dir to ldm ...
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| 07:17 | in gutsy you would use one of the rc.d scripts ldm reads
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| 07:18 | sshfs has encryption added on top, i doubt that would be faster than nfs ... but a lot more secure indeed :)
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| 07:28 | <cliebow> ogra:i got kernel and initramfs to load first try..pcmcia is the nut to crack at this point..
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| 07:52 | <MrMoo> ogra, indeed, ltsprshd done already :)
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| 08:01 | <adimetrius> hello all, i am trying lo start local apps and can't get xinetd to start on the wksation. What do i do?
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| 08:09 | <ogra> MrMoo, cool
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| 08:10 | MrMoo, can you start using bzr so its easier to merge your patches ?
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| 08:10 | <MrMoo> i'll clean it up and detail it tomorrow
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| 08:10 | <ogra> great
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| 08:10 | <MrMoo> I'll have a look, already got a launchpad account
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| 08:11 | <ogra> :)
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| 08:11 | https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ltsp/gutsy-ltsp is the current development branch
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| 08:29 | <cliebow> ogra:re hard drive install of kernel etc..kernel and initramfs seem ok..no pcmcia detection it seems..so no network found..
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| 08:45 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:47 | <cliebow> Scottie!
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| 08:47 | Got a sec?
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| 08:54 | <sbalneav> cliebow: yep!
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| 08:55 | <cliebow> sbalneav :re hard drive install of kernel etc..kernel and initramfs seem ok..no pcmcia detection it seems..so no network found..
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| 08:55 | any idears?
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| 08:56 | <sbalneav> Not off the top of my head, no.
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| 08:56 | Maybe the cardbus stuff isn't in the initramfs.
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| 08:56 | <cliebow> i guess the pcmcia subsystem isnt started
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| 08:57 | <cliebow> mount -t hfsplus /dev/hda3 /hd returns "mount Not a Directory"..Mean anything to you?
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| 08:57 | both /dev/hda3 and /hd exist
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| 08:58 | <sbalneav> This on a mac?
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| 09:00 | <cliebow> yeah..booted from a mac live cd
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| 09:00 | tryinmg to recover docs
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| 09:01 | cant remember things being squemish before..
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| 09:02 | <sbalneav> Maybe the drive's bad.
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| 09:02 | <cliebow> i was afraid you'd say that..fdisk works well..
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| 09:07 | <gvy> cliebow, is it recent mac?
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| 09:07 | <cliebow> g4
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| 09:07 | iboks
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| 09:07 | heh
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| 09:07 | <gvy> there was a "secret" button combo making it hook harddrive via firewire
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| 09:07 | <cliebow> ibooks
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| 09:08 | i tried that between ibooks..no dice
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| 09:08 | <gvy> don't remember what should be pressed at boot but should be googlable on "mac harddrive firewire boot"
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| 09:08 | :(
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| 09:08 | <cliebow> t
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| 09:09 | guess thew drive is hosed
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| 12:19 | <shale> i've gotten ltsp to work with ubuntu-desktop, but i just want to thinnest possible environment, is it possible to do it with just xserver-sorg?
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| 12:19 | er, xserver-xorg
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| 12:23 | <gvy> but it's rather unusable environment
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| 12:23 | did you see that dotty gray screen?
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| 12:23 | that's bare X server
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| 12:25 | <shale> yes thats what i want
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| 12:25 | via pxe boot... is possible?
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| 12:45 | <gvy> shale, yes it is
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| 12:49 | <shale> do i just need to install the ltsp server OS, install xserver-xorg, install ltsp-server, and then build-client?
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| 12:49 | or is there something else i need?
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| 13:02 | <mopey> shale, I'm not sure, but you could chroot into /opt/ltsp/i386 and apt-get remove/install and modify your clients until you get what you need.
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| 13:03 | wait.. that might've been stupid advice. I'd need to think about it some more.
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| 13:31 | <joebake1> Does LTSP 5 in Ubuntu Feisty allow you to set Swap on the server for the thin client to a specified amount? I think all ours are at just 32 MB of swap. A firefox session of a weather radar is locking up the X Desktop of a user. I might just add ram, but 32MB is not big enough and I'm sorry the rule of thumb of having half of the size of your ram be your swap size is totally inadequate.
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| 13:33 | <sbalneav> joebake1: There isn't per-workstation settings, but you can edit /etc/ltsp/nbdswapd.conf, and set SIZE=64 or SIZE=128
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| 13:34 | which will create that size globally.
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| 14:25 | <joebake1> sbalneav: Thanks! The box which was failing only had 32MB of ram. Ideally, I'd like such a box to be functional, and it has been up until this user started doing more with firefox.
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| 14:26 | <sbalneav> np
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| 14:37 | <joebaker> sbalneav: /etc/ltsp/nbdswapd.conf doesn't exist on my system. I'll create it with just a line of SIZE=128 for starters. I've noticed there is also a SWAPDIR variable which seems to default ot /tmp files are owned by nobody/nogroup
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| 14:38 | and owned 600
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| 14:38 | s/owned/chmoded/
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| 15:28 | <shale> does anyone know how to get ltsp5 working with just a barebones xserver-xorg environment, not the full desktop?
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| 16:46 | <shale> what is the best way to auto-launch rdesktop after a pxe/ltsp5 thin client boots?
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| 18:23 | <shale> what is the best way to auto-launch rdesktop after a pxe/ltsp5 thin client boots?
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| 18:32 | <mopey> You could put the script in /opt/../rc.local, or you could add a RCFILE_nn to your lts.conf
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| 19:10 | <shale> thanks mopey, i'll try those... i came across this script: http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg23599/rdesktop
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| 19:10 | but i'm not sure if it's necessary or not with ltsp5?
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| 19:56 | <shale> has anyone seen the behavior where edubuntu gets halfway through loading then drops to a blinking cursor?
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| 19:59 | the error says "can't open /etc/ltsp_functions"
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| 20:47 | <shale> when i add SCREEN_02=rdesktop to my lts.conf i get the error: Screen:/dev/tty2 - SCREEN_SCRIPT: rdesktop not found!
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| 20:48 | any ideas what up with that?
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| 21:19 | <sbalneav> evening all
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| 21:30 | <mistik1> !s
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| 21:30 | <ltspbot`> mistik1: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 21:30 | <mistik1> heh
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| 21:30 | hey bro
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| 21:33 | <sbalneav> Hey there
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| 21:34 | hmm, trying to figure out the "tun" device
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| 21:34 | <mistik1> what about it
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| 21:34 | <sbalneav> I've got the kernel module "tun" loaded, and I've got a /dev/net/tun device
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| 21:35 | but when I do a ip addr add 192.9.201.240/24 dev tun1
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| 21:35 | I get
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| 21:35 | Cannot find device "tun1"
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| 21:35 | <mistik1> I dont know if I even used it that way
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| 21:41 | sbalneav: I usually use tap devs
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| 21:41 | tap1,2,3,4 etc
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| 21:43 | sbalneav: the easy way would be to grab a copy of usermode-utilities which has tunctl in it
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| 21:43 | <sbalneav> yeah, got that.
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| 21:44 | <mistik1> then just tunctl -u root -t tap0
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| 21:44 | and run your command against tap0
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| 21:45 | <sbalneav> Hmmm, the vpn script I've got from jammcq uses tun
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| 21:45 | Could try it.
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| 21:47 | <mistik1> I've not seen anything in a while that uses tun?
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| 21:48 | where is this script?
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| 21:48 | <sbalneav> I'll pastey pastey
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| 21:48 | <mistik1> ok
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| 21:49 | <ltsppbot> "sbalneav" pasted "vpn" (24 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/211
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| 21:51 | <mistik1> Poor mans VPN, eh?
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| 21:51 | <sbalneav> heh
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| 21:51 | yeah
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| 21:55 | <mistik1> hrmm, I definately never used it like that
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| 21:55 | not with the tun dev that is
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| 21:56 | <sbalneav> that's ok, I'll catch up with jammcq tomorrow
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| 21:58 | <mistik1> Let me know how it works out
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| 22:02 | sbalneav: does your sshd_config have "PermitTunnel yes" in its config ?
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| 22:02 | <sbalneav> hum
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| 22:02 | prolly not
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| 22:03 | * sbalneav twiddles configs | |
| 22:03 | <mistik1> I just came across a gentoo doc that pretty much mirrors that script cept for some iptables stuff
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| 22:04 | <sbalneav> anything on the ssh_config side?
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| 22:04 | <mistik1> no
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| 22:04 | just the server side from what I see
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| 22:04 | <sbalneav> heh
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| 22:05 | firewall's a sarge box.
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| 22:05 | doesn't have that :)
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| 22:05 | time to upgrade :)
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| 22:05 | <mistik1> ouch!
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| 22:06 | actually the iptables stuff is run on the ssh server
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| 22:06 | here
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| 22:06 | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_VPN_over_SSH_and_tun
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| 22:07 | Its not written gentoo specific
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| 22:07 | <sbalneav> ah, thanks
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| 22:08 | <mistik1> np
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| 22:08 | as you see the script is pretty much the same
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| 22:12 | <sbalneav> yeah, cool
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