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Channel log from 11 October 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:05 | <johnny> warren, .. so what you're saying.. is that we should have thin clients with lil flash disks inside?
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| 00:05 | <warren> not really
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| 00:05 | <johnny> for local firefox?
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| 00:05 | <warren> the lil flash disks don't have enough space to allow write leveling to make it safe
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| 00:06 | larger flash disks is where write leveling makes it safe
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| 00:12 | <johnny> hmm.. i was really hoping to run firefox and flash locally, how much ram is it supposed to take?
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| 00:19 | * johnny loves finding music he hasn't listened to in a long time | |
| 00:19 | <johnny> /listens to Dance Hall Crashers - Enough
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| 00:19 | oops
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| 00:19 | not many ska bands with two female singers
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| 00:22 | 1995.. that sure seems like a long time ago now .. uggh.. getting old..
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| 03:29 | <feinbein> test
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| 03:34 | <feinbein> thanks
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| 05:01 | <darrylb_> how can I enable local device support on the client for local apps?
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| 08:25 | <feinbein> Hi there! Has anyone managed to get italc working on Ltsp5 ubuntu 8.04.1?
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| 08:26 | where do i have to put the line '/usr/local/bin/start_ica &' ?
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| 08:26 | I tried with session-manager but to no effect.
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| 08:28 | <nubae> feinbein: which version of italc?
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| 08:29 | <feinbein> 1:1.07ubuntu2
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| 08:30 | <nubae> there is a newer version, but I believe it is only in a PPA, hang on let me get the link
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| 08:31 | https://launchpad.net/~edubuntu-italc-devel/+archive
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| 08:32 | that version should work better
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| 08:33 | <feinbein> i found a script called /usr/bin/ica-laucher'. Is that what became of start_ica?
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| 08:33 | <nubae> I believe so, haven't used it in a while
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| 08:34 | <feinbein> i will check that new version, thanks for helping!
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| 08:35 | have to log off a moment
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| 08:46 | <feinbein> are you still there nubae?
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| 08:48 | <feinbein> I haven't installed a new version yet. I would like to try and get it to work with the distribution version.
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| 08:49 | problem is: if i set up a new host in a new classroom as a teacher it shows as 'No user locked in'
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| 08:49 | <nubae> how are u adding the hosts?
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| 08:50 | <feinbein> as soon as a user logs in at the thinclient i get 'host unreachable'
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| 08:50 | <nubae> it should be done like so localhost:10001 - where 1 is the ip of the terminal
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| 08:50 | <feinbein> i try that
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| 08:52 | right, i try with localhost:11001, Has that changed from previous versions?
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| 08:52 | <nubae> no, on thin clients its always been 10000
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| 08:52 | <cyberorg> new version of italc from stgraber should automatically add all clients, use italc-launcher script start italc
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| 08:52 | <nubae> I know the italc docs say differently, but hey
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| 08:52 | right, but hes using the old one
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| 08:53 | hardy
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| 08:53 | <warren> hmm, italc cannot "see" local apps processes
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| 08:53 | I'm guessing
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| 08:53 | <nubae> hmm, someone should test that
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| 08:54 | <feinbein> thanks guys its working now
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| 08:54 | next problem: I cant use remote control but just see whats happening
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| 08:54 | <nubae> feinbein: for that upgrade to the new one
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| 08:54 | <feinbein> guess this is because my client runs in a virtual box
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| 08:55 | i will test with a real client tomorrow
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| 09:00 | <feinbein> if that doesnt work I'll trty the newer version. Thanks for helping!
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| 09:00 | bye for now
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| 09:48 | <|Paradox|> so, ltsp.org is no longer updated, and the sourceforge project is stuck on 4.x, where is the repository and all for LTSp 5?
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| 09:50 | oops
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| 09:50 | I went to the wrong page
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| 09:50 | ::blush::
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| 10:07 | <jammcq> hello all
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| 10:11 | <Ozzzkar> anyone knows how to get sound on my rdesktop session to an xp pro machine?
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| 10:22 | <alkisg> Ozzzkar, you get no sound at all or the sound is played on the ltsp server?
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| 10:22 | <Ozzzkar> alkisg: never mind, think i found a solution
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| 10:22 | <alkisg> ok
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| 11:26 | <davidj> jammcq: Hello!
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| 11:26 | <jammcq> hey davidj
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| 11:26 | <davidj> How are you? It's been a long time.
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| 11:26 | I got a call from Alex Col. the other day, which reminded me that I needed to come say hello.
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| 11:27 | <jammcq> doing great. how's things down there in N.Carolina?
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| 11:27 | what'd Alex want?
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| 11:27 | <davidj> Gas is still hard to find.
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| 11:27 | <jammcq> wow, hard there too?
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| 11:27 | <davidj> Alex wanted to know if I knew about Diskless Workstations, and about LTSP.
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| 11:27 | <jammcq> it's easy here, and getting cheap. I saw $2.93 this morning
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| 11:27 | <davidj> It's getting better, but they say it will be another couple of weeks before all of the stations have gas.
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| 11:27 | <jammcq> wow, they're out cold calling now, eh?
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| 11:28 | <davidj> $2.93???
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| 11:28 | We're paying $4 and change here for low-test.
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| 11:28 | <jammcq> yeah, I'm guessing we'll be seeing 2.79 by monday or tuesday
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| 11:28 | <davidj> No, Alex said he called because I'd bought from them before.
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| 11:28 | more like a warm call.
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| 11:29 | When I asked him how his dad was, he seemed to wake up ;-)
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| 11:29 | <jammcq> heh
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| 11:29 | <davidj> How is Maine this year?
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| 11:30 | <jammcq> november 6th, you coming?
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| 11:31 | <davidj> I don't know. There's a lot going on right now.
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| 11:31 | <jammcq> yeah, but this is Maine' we're talking about
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| 11:32 | <davidj> ;-)
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| 11:32 | That's true.
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| 11:32 | Is Ragnar coming?
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| 11:32 | mistik1: Are you coming?
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| 11:33 | <jammcq> he said he'd try, but he hasn't confirmed yet
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| 11:34 | <davidj> I've got two interesting projects going at once, and a third is heating up. If things go as planned, I can make it, but if either hits a bump it might be difficult.
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| 11:40 | <jammcq> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ByTheSea2008
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| 11:40 | ther'es the details
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| 11:40 | if you can make it, that'd be great
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| 12:13 | <davidj> jammcq: I'll try ;-)
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| 12:35 | <stgraber> ogra: ping
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| 12:36 | ogra: can you upload: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/281415 ?
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| 12:37 | ogra: I'll also have a new ltspfs soon including sbalneav's fix for a segfault
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| 12:40 | <stgraber> Anyone's has a problem with me tagging a new release of ltspfs ?
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| 12:57 | <stgraber> ogra: and new ltspfs: http://www.stgraber.org/download/ubuntu/ltsp/
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| 13:00 | <warren> go ahead, i'll probably use your tagged version
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| 13:01 | is this our first tag since we began tagging? =)
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| 13:02 | <vagrantc> ??
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| 13:02 | * vagrantc wonders what folks are talking about tagging | |
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| 13:31 | <ogra> stgraber, ltsp uploaded
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| 13:31 | stgraber, but there is no ltspfs
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| 13:31 | <stgraber> ogra: ?
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| 13:32 | <ogra> <stgraber> ogra: and new ltspfs: http://www.stgraber.org/download/ubuntu/ltsp/
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| 13:32 | <stgraber> oh, right, 2s
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| 13:32 | <ogra> i only found ltsp there :)
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| 13:32 | which i uploaded
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| 13:34 | * vagrantc is testing ltsp 5.1.28-1 for debian | |
| 13:34 | <vagrantc> keeping up with the joneses
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| 13:34 | <stgraber> ogra: uploaded
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| 13:34 | <ogra> vagrantc, btw, we had to change the 50 to 80 again in ltspfs, udev doesnt really like it being run that early
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| 13:35 | <vagrantc> the cdpinger segfault thing ... is it actually causing failures, or just an ugly cosmetic issue?
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| 13:35 | ogra: i just do whatever dh_installudev does.
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| 13:35 | ogra: so maybe you really need to patch ubuntu's dh_installudev
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| 13:36 | ogra: which typically comes out at 60 on debian
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| 13:36 | <ogra> no, its suposed to use the right thing, but uses the defaults by default :)
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| 13:36 | <vagrantc> ?
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| 13:37 | <ogra> stgraber added --priority 80, else it will use the default value for a package with module/HW support
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| 13:37 | default meaning 50 :)
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| 13:37 | <vagrantc> for debian, it's actually z60
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| 13:37 | default
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| 13:38 | i was so hoping we'd have at least one release with one of our packages in sync. *sigh*
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| 13:38 | <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/56365/
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| 13:38 | thast the upstream README
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| 13:39 | 80 rules that run programs (but do not load modules)
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| 13:39 | by that definition it has to be 80
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| 13:39 | but i know debian hacked up udev anyway
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| 13:40 | * vagrantc is largely udev clueless | |
| 13:40 | <ogra> what does your readme say ?
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| 13:40 | (/etc/udev/rules.d/README)
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| 13:41 | since we run scripts it shoudl eb 80
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| 13:41 | *be
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| 13:41 | <vagrantc> no such file
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| 13:41 | <ogra> oh
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| 13:41 | intresting
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| 13:41 | stgraber, uploaded as well
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| 13:41 | * vagrantc looks at /usr/share/doc/udev/README.Debian.gz | |
| 13:41 | <stgraber> ogra: thanks
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| 13:42 | <ogra> No such file or directory
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| 13:42 | heh
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| 13:42 | we only have README
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| 13:42 | but then we use upstream unmodified
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| 13:43 | <vagrantc> ogra: default is z60, which i think runs later than everything else.
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| 13:43 | <ogra> ah
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| 13:43 | <vagrantc> note the "z"
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| 13:43 | <ogra> well, it defaulted to 50 for us which resulted in a bunch of variables not being available
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| 13:44 | <vagrantc> yeah. oh well.
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| 13:44 | <ogra> i guess i have to SRU that in hardy as well
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| 13:44 | <vagrantc> that the only diff?
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| 13:44 | if so, maybe we could do a build-time conditional
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| 13:46 | <ogra> i think so, yes
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| 13:47 | stgraber, ?? ^^^
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| 13:48 | <stgraber> we probably can, I don't think we need a SRU for Hardy as we didn't use the ID_TYPE thing back then
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| 13:49 | <ogra> yeah, i will take care for that in hardy, dont worry about that one
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| 13:55 | <vagrantc> well, uploaded ltsp 5.1.28-1 to debian experimental...
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| 13:59 | ogra, stgraber: would a build-dep on lsb-release for ltspfs be ok?
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| 13:59 | <stgraber> yeah, I guess we have it by default anyway
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| 13:59 | <ogra> sure
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| 14:01 | <vagrantc> of course, need to implement this in debian/rules ...
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| 14:02 | the fun world of makefiles
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| 15:26 | <nubae> hey, stgraber, are u an italc developer?
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| 15:29 | <stgraber> nubae: no but I do the packaging in Ubuntu and contributed some patches upstream, why ?
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| 15:35 | <nubae> because I've been asked to develop a school server that includes it
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| 15:36 | should be a XS - LTSP hybrid with schooltool, italc and some other goodies... it will be the prototype to be used for the Austrian school system, backed by ministry of education
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| 15:36 | unfortunately the XS is Fedora based
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| 15:37 | so not sure if there are latest packages for Fedora of italc
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| 15:38 | <stgraber> well, you'll likely need italc 1.0.9 from upstream and probably some of the patches I applied on top of it
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| 15:39 | IIRC opensuse is using some of them for their own package
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| 15:39 | I don't know who's packaging it in fedora though
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| 15:40 | <nubae> ah just checked, pbone seems to have 1.09-5 rpm packages
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| 16:58 | <horochovec> hello, my pen-drive dont work in debian lenny, ltsp 5
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| 17:00 | the 'dmesg' log show me the information of pendrive, but, dont create a icon on desktop to access
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| 17:02 | <johnny> and the desktop is?
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| 17:02 | and is the pen drive partitioned
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| 17:02 | if the pen drive isn't partitioned, it can't work
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| 17:03 | <horochovec> my dekstop is kde
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| 17:03 | <johnny> that is probably why
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| 17:04 | kde doesn't listen in /media
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| 17:04 | there's a hack to make that work.. but i don't know anything about it
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| 17:04 | do you see your pen drive in /media on the server ?
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| 17:04 | <horochovec> johnny on server yes..
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| 17:04 | my problem is on thinclient
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| 17:05 | <johnny> sure.. but it gets mounted on the server
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| 17:05 | sorta..
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| 17:05 | the problem is kde
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| 17:05 | there's some sort of hack
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| 17:05 | to make it work
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| 17:05 | i don't know anything about it tho
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| 17:05 | somebody else here will tho
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| 17:06 | <horochovec> well
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| 17:07 | but in the server, the pendrive dialog show
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| 17:07 | in the thinclient dont
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| 17:07 | <johnny> i'm telling you the answer i know
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| 17:07 | the problem is kde
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| 17:08 | there is a hack to fix it, i just don't know where it is, or how it works
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| 17:08 | <horochovec> well, any idea to resolv this on kde?
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| 17:08 | <johnny> no.. i just said i don't
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| 17:08 | other people here do
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| 17:08 | this channel is not very active on the weekends tho
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| 17:08 | it's most active during typical work hours in europe and usa
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| 17:08 | <horochovec> strange, the kde works on server and dont work on thinclient?
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| 17:08 | <johnny> yep
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| 17:09 | <horochovec> johnny where are you from?
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| 17:09 | <johnny> usa
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| 17:09 | <horochovec> cool
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| 17:09 | i'm brazilian
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| 17:09 | <johnny> if you do a web search maybe you will find the answer
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| 17:10 | search for /media kde local devices
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| 18:08 | <stgraber> ogra: hey, you still around ? I found a very weird bug in nbd-client ...
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| 18:10 | ogra: is there any difference between the nbd-client that we have in the initrd and the one in the chroot ? I'm pretty sure it's not possible but one respects the -persist option and the other doesn't
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| 18:11 | <vagrantc> ouch.
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| 18:12 | <stgraber> basically, I boot my thin client, then kill nbd-server on the server side => nbd-client stopped and no disk access
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| 18:12 | then I respawn nbd-client manually on the client and do the test again, this time it reconnects to the server
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| 18:12 | checking the command line, both are started with the exact same parameters
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| 18:13 | and I don't see any reason for that behavior in nbd's code (I'll probably need more time to fully understand it though)
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| 18:14 | of course, that bug makes the -persist option a bit useless :) my current workaround will likely be to disconnect the nbd from ltsp-cluster's init script and start nbd-client again but that's a hack and will only be done so our customers won't complain :)
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| 18:19 | oh, I guess I found the problem. When nbd is killed server side, nbd-client client side exits and is then respawned. When it dies the first time (the one started from the initrd) the kernel (or whatever else is respawning it) probably tries to restart the one from the initrd but can't as the root changed.
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| 18:28 | <vagrantc> aha.
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| 18:29 | <stgraber> would that make sense ?
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| 18:30 | <vagrantc> seems feasible.
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| 18:30 | <stgraber> if yes, I'll soon have a fix that can be included in our init script so it'll properly respawn nbd-client (unless you have a better idea how to fix that)
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| 18:30 | <vagrantc> if you're using aufs, maybe you could start a new nbd and insert it into the aufs layer
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| 18:31 | and remove the old one
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| 18:32 | <stgraber> http://paste.ubuntu.com/56471/
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| 18:33 | that's my current fix
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| 18:33 | <vagrantc> stgraber: why ps aux instead of pgrep ?
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| 18:34 | * stgraber checks pgrep manpage | |
| 18:34 | <vagrantc> i think most of the other nbd detection is using pgrep
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| 18:34 | <stgraber> I only used pgrep to get the PID never to get the command line
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| 18:35 | <vagrantc> pgrep -l -f FOO
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| 18:35 | maybe i'm mistaken ...
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| 18:35 | i did a lot with pgrep for ltspfs related stuff
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| 18:35 | <stgraber> works, I just need to drop the first column so I don't get the pid, other than that it'll work
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| 18:45 | vagrantc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/56477/
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| 18:45 | I hate that sleep 0.5s but if I do the check right after disconnecting it, nbd-client still returns the "dead" process PID
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| 18:46 | <vagrantc> hope that sleep is long enough...
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| 18:46 | might vary from client to client
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| 18:46 | <dberkholz> we're having a bit of an X hack session
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| 18:47 | trying to fix xinit across distros so there's less distro-specific weirdness
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| 18:47 | <vagrantc> cool
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| 18:47 | <stgraber> yeah, I tried on a quite powerful lappy, I'll now test on the most crappy client I have just to make sure we don't have a race condition there
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| 18:47 | <dberkholz> we == pdx X people
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| 19:01 | <johnny> dberkholz, any chance we'll use Xsession.d or similiar ?
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| 19:01 | and drop the need for xdm to be installed for ltsp?
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| 19:02 | <dberkholz> johnny: trying to figure that out. might break that stuff into a separate app
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| 19:02 | <johnny> what do the other distros do?
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| 19:02 | where do they package it?
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| 19:02 | <dberkholz> weird crap
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| 19:02 | same as gentoo
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| 19:02 | but different types of weird
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| 19:02 | johnny: xdm is only for the Xsession script right?
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| 19:02 | <johnny> yes
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| 19:03 | <stgraber> vagrantc: I see that ltsp-client-setup isn't taken from the bzr branch (at least in Ubuntu), how are changes done to the init scripts shared between Ubuntu and Debian ?
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| 19:03 | <dberkholz> debian/ubuntu are weird, fedora is weird
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| 19:03 | haven't managed to find suse's stuff yet
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| 19:09 | <vagrantc> stgraber: debian uses the ones shipped upstream.
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| 19:09 | <johnny> stgraber, i use the one in initscripts/Gentoo.. which mirrors the one in initscripts/
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| 19:09 | <vagrantc> stgraber: all of my packaging branches are available: https://code.launchpad.net/~vagrantc
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| 19:10 | <johnny> it's just gentooified..
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| 19:10 | that reminds me.. i can prolly pull some stuff out of the mask now..
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| 19:11 | <stgraber> ok, I guess I'll need to ask ogra what forced us to have different initscripts in debian/ ... for now I just patched our existing script
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| 19:12 | <vagrantc> stgraber: it's a little weird how i do it ... i have a script debian/initscripts-tweaks with patches and copies the init scripts into place
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| 19:12 | <johnny> dberkholz, i spoke to ulm or opher .. i forget which.. about bringing bzr.eclass into the eclasses/ .. he said he would post ti gentoo-dev, but i didn't see it last time i looked.. think you can put some pressure ?
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| 19:12 | <vagrantc> stgraber: and it's called from debian/rules in the clean phase.
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| 19:14 | <stgraber> right, if we want to get rid of having our own copy of the initscript we'll also have to do something similar for Ubuntu
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| 19:14 | * vagrantc would be very happy to work towards a smaller diff | |
| 19:14 | <stgraber> for example I'm not sure I want to send that nbd-client hack to ltsp's bzr branch as only Debian and Ubuntu have -persist (it's in the initramfs) and I don't think other distros want their nbd to be killed and respawned at boot time
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| 19:15 | <vagrantc> stgraber: well, every distro has different init scripts ... it's mostly just a set of some shared functions
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| 19:16 | stgraber: but how each distro calls those functions varies
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| 19:20 | <stgraber> vagrantc: ok, so would adding the nbd -persist workaround to client/initscripts/ltsp-setup be ok ?
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| 19:20 | the way I did it for Ubuntu is adding a configure_nbd() function that's called before all the other configure_ in the script
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| 19:20 | <vagrantc> stgraber: i'm not sure ... i don't really use the nbd stuff much yet.
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| 19:21 | stgraber: so it would have to be triggered only when NBD root is kicking in
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| 19:22 | stgraber: and one of the nbdroot methods i use actually uses nbd-client's native nbdroot support
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| 19:24 | <stgraber> I guess I'll just keep it as an Ubuntu-specifc hack for now, ideally that should be filed as an nbd-client bug, -persist should respawn nbd-client when the connection is dropped, that should be the same nbd-client
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| 19:24 | and if another distro has a bug about that -persist thing, we can then see how to best move the hack to ltsp-trunk without causing troubles for distros with different nbd implementation (or no nbd)
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| 19:30 | <johnny> only two distros use initscripts/ltsp-client*
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| 19:30 | it sounds like
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| 19:30 | err 3 sorry
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| 19:30 | debian,ubuntu,opensuse
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| 19:30 | warren uses his own stuff
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| 19:31 | it doesn't look much like ltsp-client* stuff at all
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| 19:31 | mine is almost exactly like it, without the usplash.. and some gentoo specifics with the way our init scripts are written.. and we don't have console-setup either..
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| 20:17 | <warren> I don't have usplash
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| 20:21 | <warren> vagrantc: you forgot distro prefix
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| 20:21 | <vagrantc> warren: apologies.
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| 20:21 | <warren> np
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| 20:24 | <johnny> warren, you don't use ltsp-client-setup
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| 20:24 | so that is nill
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| 20:27 | <warren> ok
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| 23:39 | anybody know how to solve dhcpcd failed
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