IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 25 June 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:09 | <psbakke> I could use some ideas for how to handle a problem I'm having with getting an old 486 pc to boot. I have an 3c509B NIC installed and I have some partial success getting the boot process started. I'm using Etherboot on a floppy to get things started and everything goes fine until the /linuxrc script starts. After the command: insmod /lib/modules/2.6.20.9.ltsp-1/kernel/drivers/net/3c509.ko finishes, the next line says, Running dhcpcd on port 67. Following this I
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| 00:09 | get, ERROR! dhcpcd failed!, then Kernel panic - not syncing. I have ltsp-5.0 installed in the opt directory but am using one of the kernels supplied with ltsp4.2 in my /tftpboot directory because I had other trouble trying to boot from the kernel supplied in the /opt/ltsp/i386/boot directory (Ubuntu).
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| 00:13 | BTW, I am running Fedora Core 6 for my boot server.
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| 03:28 | <meeri> hi
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| 03:29 | I have a little problem here. My clients are equipped with a GF6100 and the nv driver which comes with ltsp4.2 does not support the video card. VESA driver only goes to 1024x768, mayby someone can help me to fix this
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| 04:02 | <meeri> hi
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| 04:07 | <MrMoo> it failed forcing 1280x1024 in vesa?
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| 04:14 | <meeri> yap
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| 04:14 | with every graphic adapter, just tested and older client and I´m getting 1280x960 which looks horrible
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| 04:15 | <MrMoo> what config do you use?
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| 04:15 | I'm using this: X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024
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| 04:15 | X_HORZSYNC = 64
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| 04:15 | X_VERTREFRESH = 60
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| 04:16 | <meeri> for a TFT?
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| 04:16 | <MrMoo> check the X output, I found it was trying invalid horz & vert frequencies
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| 04:16 | yup
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| 04:16 | 17" LCD
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| 04:16 | <meeri> I will implement the Horz and vert lines, just 1 min
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| 04:19 | <meeri> THX sooo much
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| 04:20 | <MrMoo> works?
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| 04:20 | <meeri> yap
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| 04:20 | <MrMoo> \:D/
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| 04:20 | <meeri> Now i´m needing GF6100 drivers
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| 04:20 | Our dumb skl bought the crappiest clients avail
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| 04:21 | <MrMoo> I have the cheapest client boxes ever, Starbox with Geode NSCs ~$90 each
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| 04:21 | too slow under LTSP 5 because of the new X.org I think
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| 04:21 | I now use LTSP 4.2 for them, and 5.0 for others
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| 04:21 | <meeri> well, our skl just bought cheap computers removed the HDD sold them and know i have to set up LTSP as my final project for my graduation
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| 04:22 | du you have MSn or ICQ Mr MOO
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| 04:22 | <MrMoo> Both, although I forget to use them
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| 04:24 | <meeri> would you mind if we share numbers if I´m needing prof tips?
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| 04:24 | or mail addy
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| 04:29 | <MrMoo> meeri: fnjordy @ hotmail
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| 04:34 | <meeri> I will add you in thr evening ( i´m from europe)
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| 04:36 | <MrMoo> okie dokie, i'm in HK
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| 04:50 | <meeri> do you have experience with the sound module
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| 04:51 | <MrMoo> with LTSP 5 I setup the PulseAudio in Edgy
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| 04:51 | I haven't got LTSP 4.2 to do anything, mainly because i'm running Ubuntu Feisty server
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| 04:52 | Pulse helps a lot but its not in LTSP 4
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| 04:52 | and recording still has a lot of issues
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| 04:53 | <meeri> hmm
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| 04:54 | <MrMoo> I want to try Skype on the terminal too, but I don't have the correct setup for it
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| 04:54 | <meeri> I will try ESD
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| 04:54 | <MrMoo> DHCP providing hostnames, NIS, etc
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| 04:54 | <meeri> or should I try salsa
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| 04:54 | <MrMoo> you can choose ESD or NASD only I think
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| 04:55 | ALSA/OSS is to connect the sound card
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| 04:55 | sound card <- ALSA/OSS -> <- ESD/NASD/Pulse -> Gnome desktop, etc
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| 04:57 | <meeri> puhh
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| 04:57 | ESD is newer
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| 04:57 | so, hm, I will try ESD
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| 04:57 | <MrMoo> Pulse > ESD > NASD
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| 04:58 | I did a pretty diagram here: http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Edgy/HOWTO:_PulseAudio
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| 04:58 | <ogra> MrMoo, thanks for that, your work helped a lot with the new implementaion :)
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| 04:59 | vagrantc, !
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| 04:59 | alive !
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| 04:59 | <vagrantc> ogra: heh.
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| 04:59 | ogra: heading back to madrid in a few hours ...
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| 05:00 | <ogra> finally someone i can show off to :
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| 05:00 | http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ltspfs-hal-root.png
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| 05:00 | *g*
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| 05:00 | <MrMoo> ogra: unfortunately recording isn't too great, a scheduling problem I think, same audio artifacts from Geode to P4 processor
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| 05:00 | ogra: great work on all the Feisty changes, thx
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| 05:00 | <ogra> MrMoo, we dont have recording support added upstream yet
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| 05:00 | (or in ubuntu)
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| 05:01 | <MrMoo> Is the new embedded/mobile repository going to be used for thin clients?
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| 05:02 | <MrMoo> I was pleasantly surprised the speed improvement going from a LTSP 5 / MueKow to LTSP 4.2 client on really slow Geode hardware
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| 05:03 | but I miss all the LTSP 5 features :((
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| 05:03 | <ogra> did you test gutsy with the new nbd/squashfs/unionfs architecture ?
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| 05:04 | <MrMoo> its ready? I'm waiting on a realtime / lowlatency kernel for some other work
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| 05:04 | <ogra> well ... its ready to play around with it and find the buigs ;)
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| 05:04 | *bugs
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| 05:04 | <MrMoo> however I think its the gigantic Xorg 3->4 change that really affected the NSC video chipset
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| 05:05 | <ogra> the new ldm starts in a fifth of the time
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| 05:05 | <MrMoo> the driver stayed the same but Xorgs internal handling appears to have badly affected it
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| 05:06 | the performance on Via C3 / Eden chips is fine with MueKow
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| 05:06 | <ogra> make sure to file a bug so it gets at least fixed in gutsy
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| 05:09 | <MrMoo> I did last year: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-amd/+bug/74399
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| 05:10 | <ogra> that was just upgraded afaik
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| 05:10 | last week
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| 05:10 | <MrMoo> I have a box of 20 or so of these clients sitting back
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| 05:11 | http://www.cappuccinopc.com/star-466.asp
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| 05:12 | I'll give some away free to get it fixed, but difficult from HK
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| 05:13 | <MrMoo> unless anyone is in NYC
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| 08:02 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:19 | <cliebow2_> gd neighbors..
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| 09:04 | <jammcq> g'morning kidz
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| 09:56 | <ogra> jammcq, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ltspfs-hal-root.png ;)
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| 09:56 | <jammcq> heh
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| 09:56 | cool
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| 09:57 | <ogra> thats our new root device ... all volumes will be attached to it
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| 10:05 | <ogra> jammcq, how evil would you consider running hal on clients ?
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| 10:06 | with the new ldm architecture we could forward hal info from the client 1:1 to the session
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| 10:06 | with rewriting the mountpoints etc indeed, but you would have all hw data directly available
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| 10:07 | i feel uncertain about ahving hal and dbus on the client though
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| 10:11 | <jammcq> ogra: i'm in favor of hal and dbus on the client
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| 10:11 | if we want the user to have a first-class experience, it's gonna be needed
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| 10:12 | <ogra> well, then i'll play with it
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| 10:12 | <jammcq> and if i'd said I don't like it, what would you do? :)
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| 10:12 | <ogra> i'll check what the ubuntu-mobile team does here wrt size and memory usage
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| 10:12 | agree with you :
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| 10:12 | <jammcq> I can't imagine either HAL or DBUS taking much resources
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| 10:12 | <ogra> )
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| 10:12 | i'm not a big fan of both on setups like thin clients
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| 10:13 | but i see the advantage
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| 10:13 | especailly now that we have the new ldm going
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| 10:14 | communication became so easy now
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| 10:14 | i think i can also hook something in the logout dialog now to have reboot and shutdown options for the client
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| 10:15 | and i can drop neqarly all of the gnome patches thanks to scott :)
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| 10:15 | <jammcq> how's the new ldm working for you?
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| 10:15 | <ogra> wonderful
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| 10:15 | it will be on teh tribe2 Cd on thursday
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| 10:16 | if i get the installer part working, i havent tested that yet with the new squashfs stuff
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| 10:16 | <jammcq> wow. I'm heading up to Winnipeg on wednesday to hang with my homie
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| 10:16 | <Gadi> I tried it last night on my feisty chroot - definitely a big improvement
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| 10:17 | hi, btw ;)
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| 10:18 | <Gadi> if any of you remember, I saw a tiny line, I was meaning to have scotty change -> he sets autologin if LDM_USERNAME AND LDM_PASSWORD are set. I would recommend ony if LDM_USERNAME is set
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| 10:19 | <mhterres> hello guys
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| 10:19 | <jammcq> hello marcello
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| 10:19 | <mhterres> hi sbalneav
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| 10:19 | hi jammcq
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| 10:20 | I heard about a tornado in Manitoba
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| 10:20 | <mhterres> makes me worry
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| 10:20 | sbalneav: how u doing ?
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| 10:21 | <jammcq> mhterres: keep in mind that Manitoba is a VERY large province. And, tornados only target trailer parks. Scotty lives in a real house :)
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| 10:22 | <mhterres> hehehehe
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| 10:22 | I thought it was a big one
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| 10:23 | You know, we don't have this kind of stuff here, so we don't know about the dimensions
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| 10:23 | jammcq: 7 degrees here
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| 10:23 | <jammcq> yeah, marlon was telling me how cold it is there
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| 10:23 | <mhterres> jammcq: I was missing low temperatures, since I was in Manaus :-D
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| 10:24 | <jammcq> all done in Manaus ?
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| 10:24 | <mhterres> almost
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| 10:24 | the client is deploying the phones and we are finishing the configurations
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| 10:25 | <jammcq> how many phones?
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| 10:25 | <mhterres> 164
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| 10:25 | 164 Polycom 430 e 4 Polycom 601
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| 10:25 | <jammcq> how many asterisk servers?
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| 10:25 | <mhterres> just 1
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| 10:25 | <jammcq> wow
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| 10:26 | <mhterres> and they will use softphones too
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| 10:26 | they are using 2 nokia NSeries with sip clients
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| 10:26 | <ogra> Gadi, that doesnt work (yet) so we enabled what works for the moment
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| 10:26 | <mhterres> and it works great
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| 10:26 | :-)
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| 10:26 | <jammcq> cool
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| 10:26 | <mhterres> yes
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| 10:26 | <ogra> Gadi, we have no easy way for passwordless logins yet
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| 10:27 | <Gadi> ogra: right, but there's no reason to set autlogin to true based on both criteria
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| 10:27 | otherwise, there's no hard way either
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| 10:27 | <ogra> there is nothing that cares for autologin being set in the code yet
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| 10:28 | so it doesnt really matter :)
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| 10:28 | <Gadi> i see it in ldm.c
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| 10:28 | <Gadi> it bypasses the greeter if enabled
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| 10:28 | <ogra> its set but not used
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| 10:28 | <Gadi> ah
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| 10:29 | it looks like it would work (and just bypass the greeter)
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| 10:29 | <ogra> and autologin just crashes everything atm if you dont supply the pw
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| 10:29 | <Gadi> heh
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| 10:29 | <sbalneav> sorry, here now
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| 10:29 | <Gadi> ok
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| 10:29 | <ogra> since we dont have anything to handle ssh feedback yet
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| 10:29 | <sbalneav> I haven't started looking at autologin yet
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| 10:29 | <jammcq> !s
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| 10:29 | <ltspbot> jammcq: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 10:29 | <ogra> there are more important areas
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| 10:29 | <sbalneav> I'll get to that this week
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| 10:29 | hey jammcq
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| 10:30 | hey mhterres, yeah, we've had some wild weather here last few days.
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| 10:30 | <ogra> sbalneav, the passwordless one will be a pain if you have to regenerate the image every time you add a kesy
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| 10:30 | *key
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| 10:30 | <jammcq> sbalneav: let's hope the weather calms down by wednesday afternoon
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| 10:30 | <sbalneav> jammcq: yep :)
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| 10:31 | <Gadi> ogra: LDM_KEY
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| 10:31 | :)
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| 10:31 | <ogra> btw, a big praise for sbalneav anybody, *alongside* to fighting with his serverroom, he fixed a major breakage in nbd ...
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| 10:32 | Gdwheer is that stored ?
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| 10:32 | Gadi,
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| 10:32 | <sbalneav> Yeah, it was an interesting weekend.
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| 10:32 | I have to send the patch off to Wouter
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| 10:32 | Can't see why he wouldn't include it, seeing as how it's so simple :)
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| 10:32 | <ogra> sbalneav, i connected the LP bug to tehe debian one and added the debdiff
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| 10:32 | <Gadi> ogra: it can be in lts.conf <- 1st implementation of autologin can be uber-insecure
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| 10:32 | <jammcq> Wouter Debacher ?
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| 10:32 | <ogra> jammcq, verholst
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| 10:32 | <jammcq> oh
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| 10:33 | don't know him
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| 10:33 | <ogra> nbd upostream and debian packager
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| 10:33 | <sbalneav> Wouter Verhelst
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| 10:33 | <Gadi> what was the bug?
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| 10:33 | <ogra> i think he *is* also the debian m68k port ...
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| 10:33 | and the one user of it :P
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| 10:34 | <sbalneav> He coded out the bits allowing nbd-server to be started from inetd.
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| 10:34 | <ogra> Gadi, upstream dropped inetd support
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| 10:34 | out of the blue
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| 10:34 | <Gadi> doh
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| 10:34 | <sbalneav> He didn't think "anyone was using it"
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| 10:34 | :)
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| 10:34 | <ogra> well, the fisx is adding two lines and removbing two comments :)
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| 10:34 | *fix
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| 10:35 | <sbalneav> The two lines was the hard bit
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| 10:35 | <Gadi> dont devs know to check with LTSP first and then the rest of the world?
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| 10:35 | <ogra> Gadi, i complained :)
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| 10:35 | <sbalneav> I had to trace through. Then, I spent some time figureing out that if those warning messages get back to the nbd client, they don't like it.
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| 10:35 | hence the patches to nbdrootd
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| 10:36 | <Gadi> ogra: I also noticed that gutsy's amd video driver is updated - now, if you could only get it into main ;)
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| 10:37 | <ogra> Gadi, its supposed to move over anyway i think
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| 10:37 | i'm also discussing an openchrome package (at least for universe)
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| 10:37 | <Gadi> cool - strong work
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| 10:38 | * jammcq ordered one of them Dell computers with Ubuntu pre-loaded | |
| 10:38 | <ogra> cool
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| 10:40 | <mhterres> sbalneav: Renata saw the tornado new and remember of you. We are worried.
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| 10:41 | <sbalneav> Yeah, it was a big one.
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| 10:41 | <mhterres> We was worried, cause jammcq told me yet that everything is fine.
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| 10:42 | <sbalneav> Wasn't near us, though, it was out towards Brandon, about 200 K from here
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| 10:42 | <mhterres> hmm
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| 10:43 | <whiprush> jammcq: they won't let us buy them (they don't let .edu's buy them)
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| 10:43 | <jammcq> whiprush: yeah, I couldn't buy one as a company either. Had to do it from their 'Home/Homeoffice' site
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| 10:44 | <jammcq> which meant I couldn't use my business credit account
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| 10:44 | <whiprush> jammcq: yeah I had like, 4 professors wanting to buy one and they all got turned down.
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| 10:44 | How stupid
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| 10:44 | 2 of them bought with their own money, so at least the customers are trying, heh.
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| 10:44 | <jammcq> whiprush: we should file a bug
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| 10:45 | <whiprush> jammcq: I ordered a new thinkpad for myself though, heh
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| 11:19 | <markvandenborre> any experience with this dectop device as an ltsp client?
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| 11:19 | http://store.dataevolution.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=DT%2D7001&Show=TechSpecs
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| 11:21 | hm, sorry about the commercial nature of the link, it's just that I didn't find a lot of interesting links to technical descriptions outside this
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| 11:24 | <jammcq> I saw that mentioned on the discuss list. I'm wondering if this company is actually building these in production, or if they've just acquired a truckfull that they are dumping, until they are all gone
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| 11:24 | <markvandenborre> not sure... apparently, it's AMD's PIC device
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| 11:25 | apparently they sold the division that makes it
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| 11:25 | oh well, whatever
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| 11:25 | enough work to do
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| 11:30 | <Q-FUNK> Gadi: glad that Ubuntu took my updated package. :)
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| 12:16 | <BugeyeD> hi all. i'm looking for the best way to pxe-boot a pc and connect to a windows rdp session (assumed with rdesktop). is ltsp a good match?
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| 12:24 | <BugeyeD> i'm currently running minimal freebsd installs on the pcs, and would rather do net boots. ltsp looked to be a possibility. otherwise i may just pxe-boot freebsd.
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| 12:51 | <rjune_> Gadi: !
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| 12:51 | cliebow: !
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| 12:51 | jammcq: !
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| 12:53 | <shishirjh> what is the absolute bare minimum hardware required for the thin client, and how much of RAM is needed so that the swap is not necessary, for LTSP 5, Edubuntu
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| 12:53 | <cliebow> rjune_, !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 12:54 | <cliebow> shishirjh, i am told ltsp5 will run on 32 meg ram..twice that would be good
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| 12:54 | <markvandenborre> shishirjh, I have good experiences with 32
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| 12:54 | <cliebow> markvandenborre, in ltsp5?
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| 12:54 | <markvandenborre> but cliebow , rjune_ and jammcq are the real experts out here
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| 12:55 | <cliebow> heh
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| 12:55 | <rjune_> markvandenborre: you honour me. I stopped being an expert in ltsp too long ago.
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| 12:55 | <markvandenborre> (sorry if I'm forgetting anyone here)
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| 12:55 | <rjune_> one day I hope to be able to get back into it.
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| 12:55 | <cliebow> jammcq:im sitting in the sun in beautiful downtown New Jersy !
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| 12:55 | <rjune_> cliebow: if that's beautiful, we need to talk
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| 12:55 | <markvandenborre> cliebow, when was LTSP 5 integrated into edubuntu?
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| 12:55 | edgy or feisty?
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| 12:56 | <cliebow> me too..constant catchup to do aqs sbalneav and ogra and vagrantc
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| 12:56 | we hap a primordial dapper version..it just keeps getting better
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| 12:56 | well jersey shore
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| 12:56 | <markvandenborre> I remember using 32 Mb clients with edubuntu 6.10
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| 12:56 | <shishirjh> i tried it out with 64 MB and 500 Mhz clients but the response was way too low, even on cross cable connection b/w the machines
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| 12:56 | <cliebow> someone named jeff is providing internet access
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| 12:56 | <markvandenborre> they worked just fine
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| 12:57 | <cliebow> shishirjh, there are still from motherboards that are balky
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| 12:57 | e2300 comesto mind
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| 12:57 | but that is coming along just fine
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| 12:58 | sbalneav new ldm2 seems to be cutting boot times in half
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| 12:58 | <shishirjh> LTSP 5 came into Edubuntu with LTSP 5
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| 12:58 | from feisty
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| 12:59 | <cliebow> no..
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| 12:59 | <cliebow> i know we had an edgy cause i installed in Nov of 2005 in san francisco
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| 13:00 | before mt view dev conf
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| 13:00 | though i have senior moments at times 8~)
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| 13:02 | <sbalneav> cliebow: Good to hear!
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| 13:02 | More good stuff awaits
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| 13:17 | <cliebow> boy this is so exciting...i cant possibly keep up..
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| 14:25 | <jammcq> ogra: you seen this: http://education.zdnet.com/?p=1079
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| 19:05 | <Q-FUNK> alrighty, debian just got the -amd X driver in unstable
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| 19:06 | and I just uploaded a new one ...which requires passing thru NEW again, since it offers a -dbg package now.
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| 19:52 | <jammcq> hey all
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| 19:53 | <mistik1> hola Jimmy
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| 19:55 | <jammcq> hey buddy
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| 19:56 | <mistik1> what a way this ubuntu has become popular
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| 20:21 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 21:15 | <jammcq> !s
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| 21:15 | <ltspbot> jammcq: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 21:29 | <mistik1> Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 21:29 | jammcq: /alias s say Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 21:29 | type that
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| 21:30 | then /s would do what you're after ;-)
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| 21:32 | <sbalneav> We!s
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| 21:32 | !s
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| 21:32 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 21:33 | <sbalneav> heh, he beat you to it :)
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| 21:33 | <jammcq> !s works just fine :)
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| 21:33 | <ltspbot> jammcq: Error: "s" is not a valid command.
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| 21:33 | <jammcq> well..... it did
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| 21:33 | <sbalneav> evening jammcq
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| 21:33 | <jammcq> hello scotty
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| 21:34 | <sbalneav> hackin' on ldm
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| 21:34 | Wouter accepted my nbd patch upstream, so we're good for inetd all the way back up to upstream
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| 21:34 | which is a good thing
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| 21:43 | <mistik1> I want to do something, but I hardly know where to start
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