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00:18 | he seems to have some odd views.
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07:44 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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07:51 | <cliebow_> Scottie!!
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07:56 | <sbalneav> joebaker: Did you get my email?
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08:05 | <joebaker> sbalneav: I'm just about to dig into my email. Thanks.
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08:10 | <dtrask> cliebow_: top 'o the mornin' to ya!
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08:10 | <cliebow_> sbalneav: playing with intelmac..with pxelinux.0 i see two packets..then fragmented ip packets..with nbi.img it downloads 746 packets..one packet then 4 fragmented then anoher packet 4 fragmented...
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08:10 | dtrask:and to you as well...
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08:11 | sbalneav: all the way to the end..at ewhich point it starts right in downloading nbi.img all over agaoin
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08:14 | <mhterres> hello guys
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08:15 | Hey, I think I'm having a problem with VGA
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08:15 | lspci says:
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08:15 | VGA compatible controller: National Semiconductor Corporation Geode GX2 Graphics Processor
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08:15 | but LTSP 5(Ubuntu Gutsy) hangs up with it
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08:16 | hello jammcq, morning
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08:16 | <cliebow_> mhterres you may have to specify nsc driver
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08:17 | <mhterres> hmmm, nsc
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08:17 | ok, I'm trying vesa without success
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08:17 | let me sse
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08:17 | see
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08:17 | <sbalneav> mhterres: Yeah, the AMD Geode driver has a problem
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08:18 | <jammcq> mhterres: hey, you still traveling with marlon?
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08:18 | <sbalneav> Yoy'll have to provide a pre-defined xorg.conf file, and set it with X_CONF = ...
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08:18 | mhterres: See Bug #140051 on Launchpad.
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08:18 | <jammcq> sbalneav: hey, yoy
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08:18 | <sbalneav> Hey jammcq
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08:19 | <mhterres> hello sbalneav, I did not see you here :-)
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08:19 | jammcq: Yes, we are in Bagé
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08:19 | south of Rio Grande do Sul
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08:19 | near from Uruguai
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08:19 | <jammcq> yeah, he was telling me about picking you up at 4am
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08:20 | <mhterres> yes
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08:20 | <joebaker> If a thin client has an 815 intel graphics chip, do we now get 3D graffics support on Edubuntu thin clients?
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08:20 | <mhterres> but he picked me up at 6:30am
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08:20 | <jammcq> heh
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08:20 | <mhterres> cause the rain was very strong in the night :-)
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08:20 | <jammcq> oh
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08:20 | <mhterres> Marlon says hello
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08:21 | * jammcq tunnels a "hello" through mhterres | |
08:21 | <mhterres> hehhe
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08:21 | great
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08:21 | :-)
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08:21 | thanks sbalneav
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08:23 | <cliebow_> jammcq:dont know if you read earlier post..but do you suppose tftp transfer blocksize can be reduced? increased? for intelmac tftp?
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08:24 | <jammcq> yes
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08:24 | well
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08:24 | the default is 512
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08:25 | the protocol was then "enhanced" to support a 'blksize' request to say it's ok to use larger blocks
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08:26 | I think the server advertises whether it supports the blksize option, then the client has to request it
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08:26 | <cliebow_> ok/lemm look thru this capture
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08:26 | <mhterres> we are starting the FISL 9 movement
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08:26 | movements
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08:26 | <jammcq> mhterres: you working on the committee ?
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08:26 | <mhterres> the call for papers will start soon
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08:26 | again in community events
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08:26 | <jammcq> mhterres: count on me to be there
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08:27 | <mhterres> yes, off course
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08:27 | and you Scott ?
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08:27 | and Ogra ? Did you guys convinced him to come next year ?
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08:27 | :-)
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08:27 | <cliebow_> client is requesting blocksize of 512 alright
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08:28 | blksize 512 tsize 6111050
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08:29 | then negotiation fails..
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08:29 | client then requests blocksize of 8192
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08:29 | <mhterres> jammcq: but I'm doing all the community event organization in a remote way, cause I can't participate in the meetings. I don't have time now. But I did this this year and works fine.
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08:29 | <cliebow_> server acknowledges
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08:30 | <joebaker> sbalneav: So the ltsp-localapps spec wiki can be marked up still?
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08:34 | <mhterres> sbalneav: I use the nsc driver in the pre-defined xorg.conf ?
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08:35 | <jammcq> cliebow_: you can tell your server to NOT support the blksize request, which means the client should stay at 512
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08:36 | <cliebow_> ok
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08:36 | <sbalneav> joebaker: Yep, I'm adding to it now.
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08:38 | mhterres: In gutsy, it's now "amd"
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08:39 | <mhterres> sbalneav: thanks
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08:43 | <warren> OK, Fedora 8 is done, I'm available to attend sessions starting tomorrow.
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08:43 | <jammcq> warren: HEY !!!
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08:43 | <warren> jammcq, hello
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08:43 | <jammcq> warren: you gonna join us this weekend?
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08:43 | <warren> jammcq, yes
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08:43 | <jammcq> fantastic !!!
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08:43 | <warren> jammcq, despite the really long drive, yes.
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08:44 | <jammcq> it'll be in a nice big suburban
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08:44 | <warren> jammcq, unsuccessful in convincing any other hackers to go, mainly because of the distance.
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08:44 | <jammcq> they are all sissies
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08:44 | <warren> jammcq, I will need to drive myself, because how else will I get back? =)
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08:44 | <jammcq> we're dropping a few people back in boston on monday afternoon
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08:44 | <warren> jammcq, when do you plan on arriving and departing from there?
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08:44 | jammcq, oh really?
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08:44 | cool
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08:44 | hmmm
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08:44 | <jammcq> yes, really
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08:45 | <warren> jammcq, how is Eric getting to Portland, ME?
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08:45 | <jammcq> I've been promising people that we'll have them back by 5pm
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08:45 | <sbalneav> jammcq: Are we splitting the drive back home over two days?
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08:45 | <jammcq> we're dropping him along the way
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08:45 | sbalneav: yep
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08:45 | <sbalneav> ah, ok
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08:45 | <jammcq> BOS->Rochester-ny on monday evening
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08:45 | <warren> jammcq, what's the plan for date/time of BOS departure and BOS arrival?
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08:46 | <warren> jammcq, that's quite some driving
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08:46 | jammcq, is that a rented Suburban?
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08:46 | <jammcq> leaving Boston area around 9 or 10pm on friday evening, heading up to Freeport, ME
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08:46 | warren: nope, it's mine
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08:46 | <slidesinger> hu jammcq
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08:46 | <jammcq> hey slidesinger
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08:46 | <warren> jammcq, how long did it take to drive from Michigan?
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08:46 | <jammcq> sbalneav: any word on that dinner on friday nite?
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08:46 | warren: well, i'm still in michigan
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08:47 | it's about 12 hrs tho
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08:47 | <jcastro> took me ~11 hours
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08:53 | <warren> what's the address of the hotel in Southwest Harbor?
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08:54 | <cliebow_> warren: there isnt one..
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08:54 | <warren> huh?
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08:54 | <cliebow_> errr..Seawall Road i guess
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08:54 | <warren> no address?
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08:55 | does the hotel have a website?
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08:55 | <jammcq> http://www.seawallmotel.com/
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08:55 | yes, there's a street address
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08:55 | <cliebow_> heh lemme look..or you can google for seawall motel
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08:55 | <jammcq> chuck is just pulling your leg
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08:55 | <cliebow_> 8~)
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08:59 | <cliebow_> dtrask:know anything of intel macasr?
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08:59 | dtrask:know anything of intel mac asr?
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09:00 | <warren> jammcq, you're seriously driving from BOS, arriving in Maine at like 3am?
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09:00 | <mhterres> sbalneav: something like this ?
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09:00 | X_CONF = /etc/ltsp/xorg.amd.conf
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09:00 | <jammcq> warren: no, stopping along the way
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09:00 | <mhterres> sam problem... :-(
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09:01 | same
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09:01 | <jammcq> oh
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09:01 | <cliebow_> freeport is like three hours..
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09:01 | <jammcq> from BOS to Freeport
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09:01 | 2.5 hrs
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09:01 | we should be there around 12 or 12:30
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09:01 | <warren> jammcq, so wont get to the motel until?
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09:01 | <jammcq> spending friday night in freeport
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09:01 | <warren> oh
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09:01 | <jammcq> then, saturday morning going to SWHarbor
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09:01 | <sbalneav> mhterres: well, you'll have to put the file in the chroot somewhere, say /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/ltsp-amd.conf
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09:02 | then ltsp-update-image
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09:02 | then in lts.conf X_CONF=/etc/X11/ltsp-amd.conf
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09:02 | <mhterres> Yes, I did it :-(
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09:03 | I create the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp/xorg.amd.conf
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09:03 | <sbalneav> Well, SCREEN_07=shell, then try starting Xorg manually
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09:03 | see what errors you get.
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09:03 | <mhterres> hmmm, great idea :-)
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09:06 | <warren> hmm
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09:07 | <mhterres> I can't go to shell, cause it is not responding the keyboard
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09:07 | but I can log in the client using ssh
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09:07 | from my note
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09:07 | <jammcq> warren: I do have 1 seat available in my car, if you want to ride with us
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09:07 | <warren> jammcq, how many people are in your Suburban from BOS -> ME and back?
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09:07 | hm
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09:07 | <jammcq> with you.... 6
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09:07 | nice-n-comfortable that way
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09:08 | <sbalneav> mhterres: What happens if you set the root password, and log in on the getty on tty1?
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09:08 | <jammcq> and I think Jorge has some room, and Davidj is renting a car, he'll likely have room
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09:08 | <sbalneav> chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/
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09:08 | passwd
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09:08 | <mhterres> I did this
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09:08 | <sbalneav> <set pw>
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09:08 | exit
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09:08 | <mhterres> but I can't access tty1 in the client
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09:08 | <sbalneav> ltsp-update-image
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09:08 | <mhterres> looks like the keyboard is not responding
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09:08 | <sbalneav> You can't access tty1?
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09:08 | Wow
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09:08 | <mhterres> yes
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09:08 | that is the problem
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09:09 | :-(
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09:09 | <warren> So LTSP-5 in Fedora is beginning to shape up
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09:09 | * jammcq wonders what he's set SCREEN_01 to | |
09:09 | <warren> which Edubuntu should I download to compare?
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09:09 | <jammcq> warren: yes, that's what I've been hearing
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09:09 | <sbalneav> mhterres: Please paste your lts.conf to the pastebot
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09:09 | !pastebot
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09:09 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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09:09 | <mhterres> in the other thin client I can access tty1 without problems
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09:10 | <ltsppbot> Someone pasted "My /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf" (6 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/337
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09:10 | <mhterres> done
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09:11 | <sakhi__> ohi all
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09:11 | I have just installed Edubuntu 7.10 on 2 servers, the thin client boots on the one server but it does not boot on the second server. what could be wrong?
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09:11 | <sakhi__> they are both the same spec
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09:13 | ltsppbot: hi
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09:16 | <sbalneav> sakhi__: What's your network laid out like?
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09:16 | Maybe you've got some double'd ip addresses?
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09:17 | mhterres: Well, that seems totally normal.
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09:17 | <mhterres> yes
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09:18 | that is the most strange part :-)
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09:18 | <sbalneav> You might want to try removing the "quiet splash" from the end of /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.conf/default file.
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09:18 | Just in case it's the bootsplash stuff that's hanging things up.
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09:18 | I've seen that screw things up on some boxes.
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09:18 | <mhterres> I did this yesterday with the old lts.conf
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09:18 | I'll try again now
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09:22 | no way Scott
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09:22 | <sbalneav> Still locks up?
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09:22 | <mhterres> after the X try to come up, some green dashed lines pop up in the monitor and nothing else works anymore
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09:22 | but I can log in the client via ssh
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09:22 | <sbalneav> Ok, well, set up the SCREEN_07=shell thing
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09:23 | <mhterres> ok
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09:23 | <sbalneav> Then you should be able to log in via tty1
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09:23 | <mhterres> ok
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09:23 | trying it
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09:23 | <sbalneav> We'll try to start Xorg from there.
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09:23 | <mhterres> ok
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09:26 | <mhterres> same thing
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09:27 | and now I discover something interesting
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09:27 | <sbalneav> X still tried to start?
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09:27 | It shouldn't
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09:27 | <mhterres> If I press CTRL+ALT+F1, the green dashed lines change
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09:27 | <sbalneav> yeah
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09:27 | I've seen that with the amd driver
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09:27 | <Q-FUNK> X insists upon restarting when killed
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09:27 | <mhterres> If I presse CTRL+ALT+FXX they change again
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09:27 | <sbalneav> but X shouldn't be starting now
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09:27 | <mhterres> so, something is happening
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09:28 | I'll put this in the default section
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09:28 | let me sse
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09:28 | <sbalneav> Where have you got the lts.conf file located?
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09:28 | <mhterres> see
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09:28 | /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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09:28 | <Q-FUNK> i see it on my ubuntu laptop: during shutdown, X repeatedly tries to restart, even after gdm has been cleanly told to terminate
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09:29 | <sbalneav> sure, but it shouldn't even START with SCREEN_07=shell
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09:30 | there should be no X at all
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09:30 | <mhterres> maybe a frame buffer problem ?
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09:30 | I'm testing it agina, using the 2 thin clients
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09:30 | <sbalneav> But if you've removed the "quiet splash" from the pxe config, then THAT shouldn't be an issue either.
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09:30 | everything should be text
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09:31 | <mhterres> oh yes, off course
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09:31 | yes, in the other client there is no X
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09:31 | this is not about X
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09:32 | I can't understand
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09:33 | <sbalneav> Oh, so it's screwing up IN TEXT MODE?!?!
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09:33 | Yikes
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09:33 | <mhterres> yes
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09:33 | I imagine that
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09:34 | <sbalneav> Wow
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09:34 | <mhterres> the problem is after starting the kernel log daemon
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09:35 | <sbalneav> Hmm, maybe try different "vga=" parameters on the pxe config kernel command line.
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09:35 | <mhterres> screen goes black and don't retunr
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09:35 | <sbalneav> Oh, maybe also specify "noacpi"
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09:35 | <mhterres> in default ?
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09:35 | <sbalneav> yeah
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09:35 | How many terminals like this are there.
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09:35 | ?
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09:37 | <mhterres> In this moment just one, but It was working in 4.2
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09:37 | <sbalneav> Yeah, but Xorg's completely rewitten the X drivers
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09:37 | <mhterres> yes, I know
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09:37 | I just said that to guarantee that the hardware is working
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09:38 | DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img fb=false pci=noacpi vga=normal
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09:38 | l'm trying this right now
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09:38 | <sbalneav> is it pci=noacpi, or just noacpi?
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09:38 | <mhterres> same problem
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09:38 | :-(
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09:38 | pci=noacpi
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09:38 | <sbalneav> So it's something that that box doesn't like about the 2.6 kernel then.
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09:39 | <mhterres> maybe
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09:39 | <sbalneav> Any chance of doing a BIOS upgrade?
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09:39 | <mhterres> no
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09:39 | I'll report this problem to our client
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09:39 | I guess they will buy the other thin client anyway
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09:40 | <sbalneav> You've gotten other clients working with LTSP5 though, right?
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09:40 | I'd file a bug against the kernel, maybe.
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09:40 | <mhterres> but we will buy one of this thin clients for Propus, so we will test this again :-)
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09:40 | sbalneav: yes, other models is working fine
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09:40 | <sbalneav> Q-FUNK sent me a ThinCan, which uses a geode, but has a linux bios.
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09:41 | Other than the amd issue, which can be solved with the X_CONF= it works fine.
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09:41 | <Q-FUNK> sbalneav: what you has uses linuxbios. this is why we need etherboot.
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09:42 | <sbalneav> And I've spoken to one of the X developers here, the fellow listed in Bug #140051, and they're working on the amd issue.
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09:42 | <Q-FUNK> bryce?
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09:42 | <sbalneav> Q-FUNK: right, we switched over to the different mke2fs bit.
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09:42 | Q-FUNK: Yeah, nice guy
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09:42 | Glad I was able to meet him.
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09:43 | <Q-FUNK> jordan at AMD also said he'd lok into it, since he notices that it bites every distro who switche dto the new X
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09:43 | <sbalneav> Yeah, it's an upstream Xorg problem. It'll get sorted out. :)
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09:48 | <Q-FUNK> sbalneav: so you already have the correct hardware: geode LX with LinuxBIOS
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10:18 | <sbalneav> Back
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10:19 | <highvoltage> Forward
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10:19 | <ogra> Left
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10:21 | <sbalneav> Let's do the tiiiime waaaarp agaaaaiiinnnnn....
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10:22 | <highvoltage> hie hie
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10:22 | <sbalneav> It's just a jump to the left...
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10:22 | <and then a step to the right>
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10:22 | <highvoltage> no one came to restore balance to the force by adding a "right" :/
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10:22 | <sbalneav> Put your hands on your hips!
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10:22 | <and pull your knees in tiiiiight>
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10:22 | <highvoltage> lol
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10:22 | <sbalneav> Sorry.
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10:22 | It's halloweeen
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10:23 | <jammcq> BOO !
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10:23 | <sbalneav> Booyeah!
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10:23 | <cliebow_> EEEEk
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10:23 | <sbalneav> jammcq: Snagged you a shirt
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10:23 | <jammcq> sweet
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10:23 | how about some cds ?
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10:23 | <cliebow_> me me me
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10:23 | <sbalneav> Got some of those too.
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10:24 | Every time I walk by the pile, I grab some more :)
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10:24 | <jammcq> keep it up
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10:24 | we've got homies that need them
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10:24 | <sbalneav> Roger.
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10:24 | <jammcq> any word on dinner?
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10:24 | <sbalneav> No, none yet that I've been able to discern
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10:24 | I'll check later today.
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10:25 | <jammcq> u da man
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10:25 | <jcastro> jammcq: the shirts are awesome this year
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10:25 | <jammcq> cool
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10:25 | <cliebow_> i still have a bts 1 shirt..
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10:26 | <Q-FUNK> when are they gonna have a UDS in europe?
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10:26 | * jammcq is wearing his bts-1 shirt today | |
10:26 | <jammcq> Q-FUNK: they just had one, back in may
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10:26 | <Q-FUNK> yup
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10:26 | when next?
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10:26 | <jammcq> hmm, dunno
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10:27 | ogra: any talk about where the next one is?
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10:27 | <jcastro> not yet
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10:27 | <ogra> jammcq, not yet ...
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10:27 | scottie got you one of these small tents here :)
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10:28 | <jammcq> yeah, that's what he said
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10:28 | can't wait to see it
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10:29 | <cliebow_> jammcq;sounds like the tail end of tropical storm thgis weekend..
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10:29 | often rocks washed right ouyt into the road
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10:30 | <jammcq> cliebow_: cool, just the kind of weather I love
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10:30 | <cliebow_> get that tent waterproofed 8~)
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10:31 | <ogra> warren, http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/edubuntu/gutsy/ (or just come over and grab a pressed CD ;) )
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10:32 | <Q-FUNK> sbalneav: do you have the thincan with you?
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10:32 | <sbalneav> No, I don't, unfortunately
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10:32 | <Q-FUNK> sbalneav: ok. if Gadi is there, does he have his?
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10:32 | <warren> ogra, I'll wait until I see you folks in person then.
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10:32 | <sbalneav> Gadi's not here yet, so I don't know if he'll bring his or not.
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10:33 | <Q-FUNK> can you phone him and ask, if you have his mobile?
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10:33 | the OLPC team is sending someoe over to UDS who might be able to work on the fix.
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10:36 | <Blinny> Is it relatively easy to use 32-bit FF and associated plugins on a x86_64 gutsy-server installation?
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10:36 | <sbalneav> I don't know gadi's number, maybe jammcq does?
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10:43 | <Q-FUNK> jammcq: would you hapen to have that?
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10:48 | <sgtpepper> Hello everyone
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10:48 | I'm having an issue with LOCAL_STORAGE
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10:48 | udev recognizes that a new cdrom has been inserted
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10:48 | but it does not mount it
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10:48 | I have the My_CDrom directory empty
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10:48 | I'm able to mount it manually
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10:52 | BTW, I'm using LTSP 4.2 on EL 5
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10:55 | <sbalneav> !localdev
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10:55 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: "localdev" is (#1) Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev, or (#2) for ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices, or (#3) for debian-edu: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/LocalDeviceLtspfs, or (#4) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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10:55 | <sbalneav> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev
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10:55 | Have a look at that link, there's a debugging link from there.
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10:58 | <sgtpepper> sbalneav: I've read that
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11:02 | <sbalneav> Ok, so, what step is it failing at?
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11:07 | <sgtpepper> I seem to have a binary missing
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11:07 | /usr/bin/ltsp
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11:07 | thats what the lbus_event_handler reports
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11:08 | sorry
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11:08 | <ogra> sbalneav, you are at the wrong table
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11:09 | <sgtpepper> /usr/sbin/lstp
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11:09 | fs
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11:10 | <ogra> sbalneav, gobby -> livecd-unionfs-alternatives
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11:13 | <warren> jammcq, if I ride with you, when will I get back to Boston?
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11:15 | <sgtpepper> sbalneav: The thing is.. It creates automatically the directories on /tmp/drives
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11:16 | but it does not mount anything on them
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11:21 | <jamiejackso> Does any one know if ldm supports auto login now with gutsy. I have been using a hack ldm with feisty but this does not work with gutsy. Can any think of a way to get clients to auto login Thanks
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11:23 | <warren> Both lbuss and lubcd are no longer needed, right?
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11:23 | lbuscd
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11:24 | <ogra> warren, right
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11:24 | <mhterres> I'm back from lunch :-)
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11:24 | <sbalneav> sgtpepper: Have you worked though the 13 step checklist?
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11:25 | <ogra> jamiejackso, use LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD
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11:25 | <sbalneav> sgtpepper: it DOESNT mount anything on them
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11:25 | not until there's actual activity
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11:25 | it umounts after a second or so of inactivity.
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11:25 | <sgtpepper> yes
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11:25 | Well, I try to access them
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11:25 | I've a /home/foo where I've mounted /tmp/drives
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11:25 | using ltspfs
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11:26 | when I try to access them
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11:26 | I get empty directories
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11:26 | sbalneav: ^^^^^^
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11:26 | <sbalneav> sgtpepper: please work through the 12 step procedure
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11:26 | and post the results of each step
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11:26 | <sgtpepper> ok
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11:26 | in pastebin better?
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11:26 | <sbalneav> That's fine.
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11:27 | Each step will generate some output, capture the output, and collect it together.
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11:27 | <sgtpepper> on step 5
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11:27 | I don't seem to have this file
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11:27 | /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/lbus-start.sh
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11:27 | <ogra> warren, we use the ssh tunel to communicate so there is no lbus needed anymore ... and eventually this is the way to go: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ltspfs-hal-root.png
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11:28 | <jamiejackso> ogra is that how it works now?
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11:28 | <sbalneav> warren: correct, lbus isn't used anymore.
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11:29 | Then you haven't got the server side bits installed correctly.
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11:29 | <sgtpepper> I installed everything
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11:30 | <ogra> jamiejackso, the ssh tunnel is how it works now, but its still using some odd scripts we dont want and relies on gnomevfs for popping the devices on the desktop .... the next iteraton will create virtual hal devcies so hals mount mechanism can careand we dont need to duplicate funtionallity
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11:30 | <sbalneav> sgtpepper: Which rpm did you install on the server
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11:31 | <ogra> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ltspfs-virtual-hal-devices here is the spec we wrote for it
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11:31 | <sgtpepper> ltsp-utils-0.25-4.fc6 sbalneav
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11:32 | <warren> sgtpepper, what exactly are you using?
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11:32 | sgtpepper, K12LTSP?
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11:32 | <sgtpepper> FC6
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11:32 | <sbalneav> not ltsp-server-pkg from the wiki page? Last one up there is FC4
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11:32 | <sgtpepper> no
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11:33 | <warren> sgtpepper, highly recommend that you move to F8 and help us on our LTSP-5 integration
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11:33 | sgtpepper, we need testers
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11:33 | <sgtpepper> warren: I'm already on that
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11:33 | on my laptop I'm using F8 and testing LTSP5
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11:34 | sbalneav: In FC6 you have binary called ltspadm that download and Installs all packages
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11:35 | (tgz)
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11:35 | from the ltsp server
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11:35 | <sbalneav> Not the server ltspfs packages
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11:35 | And it hasn't been updated for about two years :)
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11:35 | <sgtpepper> It gets them from here
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11:35 | PKG_SOURCE=http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/ltsp-4.2/
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11:35 | I've LTSP 4.2 Update 3
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11:35 | <ogra> (or seen security fixes)
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11:36 | <sbalneav> I'll repeat
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11:36 | <warren> nobody bothered to integrate it into fedora in all this time
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11:36 | <sbalneav> it doesn't download the server side ltspfs package.
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11:36 | <sgtpepper> ohh
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11:36 | ok
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11:36 | now I get it
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11:37 | <sgtpepper> Anyway, I've ltspfs Installed on the server
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11:37 | I think I used the fc4 rpm
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11:39 | <warren> what is lbe? is it still needed?
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11:39 | <sbalneav> No
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11:39 | It was the Ltsp Build Environment
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11:39 | <warren> oh
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11:39 | <sbalneav> to compile everything from source
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11:39 | Since we use distro packages, we don't need it.
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11:40 | All we care about now is the ltsp bits themselves, ltspfs, ldm, etc.
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11:40 | <mistik1> are you guys back home now?
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11:41 | <sbalneav> No
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11:41 | <sgtpepper> sbalneav: The thing I still don't get is the following: I'm using the syslog on the server to get the logs from the clients. I'm getting logs like: udev: detected add of disk, or lbuscd: A new CDROM has been inserted
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11:41 | why when I try to access the dirs they don'r get mounted automatically
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11:42 | <sbalneav> Have. You. Worked. Through. The. 12. Step. Proceedure?
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11:42 | <sbalneav> It tracks things from one end to the other.
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11:42 | <sgtpepper> Yes, and I find I have some scripts and binaries missing
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11:42 | in the clients
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11:42 | <sbalneav> I haven't seen the paste results yet.
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11:43 | <sgtpepper> hold on
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11:43 | <sbalneav> So I don't know what you've done, and what you haven't
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11:43 | I worked out the procedure so I wouldn't have to play 20 questions with everyone.
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11:43 | <sbalneav> Follow the procedure.
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11:47 | <ogra> warren, http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltsp/fedora/vagrant-fedora/ should actually have all you need to build the initial chroot for the client
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11:47 | <warren> ogra, we had something else long before he posted that
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11:47 | <ogra> (as "replacemnt" of lbe :) )
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11:47 | warren, properly mergeable ?
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11:48 | <warren> ogra, I'm fixing up what we have first and putting it into bzr before looking at merging
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11:48 | <ogra> ok
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11:48 | we can look into that on the weekend, would be nice to have your tree merged in soon :)
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11:51 | <warren> I'm trying to decide if I will drive myself or ride
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11:53 | <sgtpepper> sbalneav: http://pastebin.com/m71418f7d
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11:53 | brb
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11:54 | <jamiejackso> ogra: I used LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD and ldm just sit with a black screen with an x. Any ideas? Thanks
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11:56 | <sbalneav> jamiejackso: Does it present a login screen if you don't set LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD?
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11:58 | <jamiejackso> sbalneav: yes so it appears that it is a vaild command and this should work.
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12:01 | <sbalneav> Can you paste a copy of your lts.conf to the pastebot?
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12:01 | !pastebot
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12:01 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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12:03 | <sbalneav> sgtpepper: Yes, you don't have the server side bits installed.
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12:06 | <sgtpepper> damn
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12:07 | <sbalneav> There's a link to them on the wiki page.
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12:08 | <frownix> mistik1: you around?
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12:09 | <sgtpepper> I have them installed now
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12:10 | sbalneav: I'll reboot the thin client and see what happens
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12:11 | <mistik1> frownix: hey man
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12:11 | <frownix> heya mistik1 , long time
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12:11 | <mistik1> indeed
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12:11 | <frownix> all well?
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12:11 | <mistik1> I wont bother complaining as i'm still breathing
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12:11 | <frownix> hehe, i hear you
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12:11 | same here
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12:12 | where are you at now?
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12:12 | <mistik1> I'm in Jersey
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12:12 | <frownix> permanent?
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12:12 | <sgtpepper> sbalneav: You definitely know this stuff
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12:12 | <sbalneav> I'd better, since I wrote it.
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12:12 | <mistik1> frownix: not sure what that means ;)
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12:12 | <frownix> mistik1: hehe, ok
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12:13 | <sgtpepper> then you definitely know your stuff
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12:13 | lol
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12:13 | <frownix> mabye we should take it private
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12:13 | <sgtpepper> thank you very much
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12:13 | <sbalneav> I'm assuming it works now?
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12:13 | <sgtpepper> sbalneav: One last question
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12:13 | yes
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12:13 | <sbalneav> Good.
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12:13 | <sgtpepper> can I assign diff'rnt icons to diff'rt devices?
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12:14 | <sbalneav> Not in ltsp4.2
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12:14 | In ltsp5, we're using the gnome-vfs bits, which handle that.
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12:14 | <sgtpepper> well never mind
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12:14 | <sbalneav> and once we get ltsp virtual hal devices, it'll be all handled by the os.
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12:14 | so icons galore.
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12:14 | <sgtpepper> that will be awesome
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12:22 | <jammcq> mistik1: you back in NJ ?
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12:23 | <mistik1> jammcq: yes
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12:23 | since august
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12:23 | <jammcq> wow, cool
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12:24 | <mistik1> yea, I really love my kid man
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12:24 | <cliebow_> daughter??8~)
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12:24 | <mistik1> So I sacrificed my integrity and came back to help her grow
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12:25 | <cliebow_> yay!!!
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12:25 | <mistik1> cliebow_: yep
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12:27 | <ICC> I need help with printing in LTSP Kiosk Mode
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12:29 | <ICC> Kiosk Mode runs fine. It's on Edubuntu 7.04. Before switching to Kiosk Mode, clients could see pritners. Now they do not.
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12:30 | <sgonzalez> sbalneav... Hi! Hope you're enjoying the summit. I'm working on creating an NFS server for my home folders like we discussed. The best I can do right now is SATA set up RAID1. What do you think? Will it be better than SCSI RAID5 on the LTSP server? The SATA drive server won't do any application serving... just NFS.
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12:31 | <sbalneav> RAID1 will be fine.
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12:31 | <sgonzalez> gracias :)
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12:31 | <sbalneav> De nada
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12:32 | <mhterres> sbalneav: did you learn to sing the cachaça song ??? :-)
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12:32 | I see you are speaking portuguese :-)
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12:32 | <sbalneav> Ah, thought that was spanish :)
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12:32 | Yeah, I've done some memorizing of the song.
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12:32 | :)
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12:33 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> "de nada" is portuguese
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12:33 | <sbalneav> mhterres: By the way, do you have a link to a product page as to which thin client that was you were having problems with?
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12:33 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> "gracias" is spanish
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12:33 | :P
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12:34 | in portuguese 'gracias' is 'obrigado'
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12:34 | <sbalneav> Right, but what's "your welcome" in spanish
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12:34 | Obrigada if it's a women
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12:34 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> sbalneav, yeah
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12:35 | <mhterres> sbalneav: let me see
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12:36 | sbalneav: http://www.schalter.com.br/thin_page.htm
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12:37 | <sbalneav> Any chance they'd be willing to send a couple of free ones to LTSP devels?
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12:37 | <mhterres> sbalneav: but you will not find much information
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12:37 | sbalneav: maybe. My brother-in-law works in the industry that made this thin client in OEM
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12:37 | <sbalneav> Q-FUNK sent us some of the thin can ones, which helped us to help him a lot, since we HAD the box there to test. I fixed some sound and other boot problems.
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12:38 | <mhterres> Schalter is just one of the sellers. Another one is iClient
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12:38 | I'll talk to him ASAP
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12:38 | <sbalneav> If they could send us a couple, we could be testing them, and filing bugs during the hardy devel cycle.
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12:38 | <mhterres> but now he's in Manaus and will return in about 10 days
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12:38 | ok, I'll talk to him
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12:38 | <sbalneav> See if he's willing.
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12:38 | It's a cheap way for them to make sure they have support from us :)
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12:38 | <mhterres> and maybe you can "certificate" the thin client for them
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12:38 | <sbalneav> Sure
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12:39 | <mhterres> great
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12:39 | <sgonzalez> kaminski-ltsp-br: according to http://www.canuckabroad.com/language/spanish.shtml it is "de nada" and hey, sbalneav is Canadian :)
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12:39 | <sbalneav> kaminski-ltsp-br knows, he's met me :)
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12:40 | <sgonzalez> heh
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12:40 | <sbalneav> I'm one of them "world traveller" Canucks you keep hearing about :)
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12:40 | argh
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12:40 | silly sabayon
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12:43 | <Q-FUNK> heh
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12:47 | <mhterres> sbalneav: I logged in the embeded linux installation of the thin client
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12:47 | and kernel is 2.6.11
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12:49 | <sbalneav> Hm
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12:50 | So, could be a kernel problem with the 2.6.20 series.
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12:50 | <mhterres> maybe
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13:00 | <sonjag> sbalneav: if I'm building an NFS server, can I just install Edubuntu for the OS? I have Ubuntu 6.10 if that's better. I would like to have a GUI. Not quite ready for complete CLI (altho I'm doing much better :)
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13:01 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> sgonzalez, lol
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13:02 | sgonzalez, I know sbalneav from FISL here in Brazil
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13:03 | <sbalneav> sonjag: yeah, edubuntu will be fine.
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13:03 | You'll just need to install the package nfs-kernel-server
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13:06 | <ICC> sorry, I was out testing some things for a minute
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13:10 | hi again. I am looking for help figuring out how to make printers available in the LTSP 5 (edubuntu) running in Kiosk Mode
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13:16 | <cliebow_> Gadi!!!
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13:16 | <sbalneav> Gadi: Hey, Q-Funk was wondering if you could bring your thincan when you come.
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13:17 | <Gadi> hey, all
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13:18 | hmm...
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13:18 | <mistik1> hey Gadi
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13:18 | <Gadi> I would need to swing by the office, but I sppose it can be arranged
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13:18 | he didnt bring his?
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13:18 | mistik1: howdy
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13:21 | ill bring a whole bunch of thin clients in the same family
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13:37 | <Gadi> anything else you guys need?
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13:45 | <sbalneav> Love.
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13:45 | It's all we need.
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13:45 | <Gadi> we got plenty of that where Im comin from
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13:46 | <sbalneav> Oh, and spinach Knishs
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13:46 | Love, and spinach knishs
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13:46 | <Gadi> heh
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13:47 | I would've pegged you for a sweet potatoe knish man, myself
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13:47 | <Gadi> er, potato
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13:47 | hehe
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13:47 | Im like bush
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13:47 | or was that quayle
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13:47 | lol
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13:47 | <sbalneav> Yeah
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13:47 | I think so.
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13:48 | Hang around for a bit, we're about to head down to the Brooks room for the ltsp-localapps session
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13:48 | You can voip in, and listen
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13:49 | <Gadi> *sigh* setting up voip...
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13:49 | hmm
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13:49 | can I gobby in?
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13:49 | are you using that this year?
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13:50 | <sbalneav> Yes
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13:52 | I'll head down to brooks now, get set up.
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13:52 | <Gadi> im in on gobby
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13:54 | <vagrantc> hmmmm
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13:55 | <sbalneav> walking
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13:55 | typing\
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13:59 | ok
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13:59 | We're not in the room yet, but
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13:59 | ltsp-localapps is the doc
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13:59 | and I've loaded the wiki page into it.
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13:59 | <Gadi> got it
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14:00 | sbalneav: do you have your proof of concept there?
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14:00 | <sbalneav> parts of it
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14:00 | the xrexecd
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14:00 | we can get it running in bar harbour
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14:01 | * vagrantc searches for the voip stuff | |
14:01 | <sbalneav> vagrantc, or gobby
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14:01 | <cliebow_> bar harbor???
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14:01 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: or both?
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14:01 | <sbalneav> isnt that the name of where you are?
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14:01 | <Gadi> sw harbor
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14:02 | <cliebow_> sbalneav: We am Backsiders...Tremont and Southwest Harbor
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14:02 | * Gadi thinks they're like rival gangs up there | |
14:02 | <Gadi> like Bloods and Crypts
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14:02 | <mhterres> I'll return later
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14:02 | bye
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14:02 | <cliebow_> they are in a way...turf and all
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14:03 | <moquist> sbalneav: http://cryptnet.net/fdp/crypto/keysigning_party/en/keysigning_party.html#AEN342
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14:03 | sbalneav: check section 5.1
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14:08 | <sbalneav> vagrant, you there?
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14:08 | <vagrantc> yeah
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14:10 | sbalneav: i mean, i'm on irc
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14:17 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: what's y'alls gobby session called?
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14:18 | i'm connected, but there's a gazillabillion to look through
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14:18 | <Gadi> ltsp-localapps
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14:18 | <vagrantc> all i see is the subscribe window ...
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14:19 | ah, found it
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14:24 | <sbalneav> xprop -root -f LTSP_USERNAME 8s -set LTSP_USERNAME "${USER}"
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14:24 | xprop -root -f LTSP_COMMAND 8s -set LTSP_COMMAND "$1"
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14:25 | <moquist> 15:28 < sbalneav> xprop -root -f LTSP_USERNAME 8s -set LTSP_USERNAME "${USER}"
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14:25 | 15:28 < sbalneav> xprop -root -f LTSP_COMMAND 8s -set LTSP_COMMAND "$1"
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14:26 | stgraber: ^^^^^^ :)
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14:26 | <stgraber> thx
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14:29 | * Gadi has to go pick up the kids - bbiab | |
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14:31 | <vagrantc> wow. ekiga crashed X.org
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14:32 | <sbalneav> Gadi, vagrantc, looks good?
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14:32 | Understandable?
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14:32 | Questions?
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14:33 | <vagrantc> i gotta re-connect to gobby ... X crashed on me
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14:35 | <vagrantc> actually, maybe it was gobby that crashed X
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14:35 | since it happened again
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14:43 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: looks good to me
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14:46 | <sbalneav> Is everybody happy
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14:49 | <vagrantc> good enough for me
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14:53 | <sbalneav> ok
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15:20 | <jammcq> hey kidz
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15:20 | <sbalneav> Hey jammcq
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15:20 | <jammcq> how's it goin, eh?
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15:22 | <sbalneav> Goin
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15:27 | <Gadi> sbalneav: back birefly -> looks good to me, too - I really like this approach
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15:27 | <jammcq> hey look, it's Gadi
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15:27 | <Gadi> hey, jammcq
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15:27 | <jammcq> "birefly" ? hmm
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15:28 | <Gadi> heh - briefly
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15:28 | <jammcq> I've heard of Barfly
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15:28 | you in Boston?
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15:28 | <Gadi> engineers - so analytical
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15:28 | not yet
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15:28 | 2moro
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15:28 | <jammcq> can't help myself
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15:28 | <Gadi> u?
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15:28 | <jammcq> Waterford
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15:28 | <Gadi> im sorry
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15:28 | ;)
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15:28 | <jammcq> sitting at Diskless Workstations.com World Headquarters
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15:28 | watching the planes flying in and out
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15:29 | <Gadi> lots of blinking lights
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15:29 | u going to Boston or straight to maine?
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15:29 | <jammcq> BOS
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15:29 | gotta pick up a bunch of folks
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15:29 | <Gadi> when?
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15:30 | <jammcq> leaving tomorrow afternoon
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15:30 | <Gadi> catching the end of UDS?
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15:30 | <jammcq> stop over in Rochester NY, then on to Boston on friday
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15:30 | <Gadi> ah
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15:30 | <jammcq> heh, I'll be lucky to get there in time for the group photo :)
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15:33 | <Gadi> this compiz stuff is fun
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15:33 | * Gadi is sweet on the eye candy | |
15:34 | <Gadi> even on my P3-1GHz
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15:34 | which is really 700MHz or some such
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15:34 | thank you, intel
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15:36 | <Gadi> bbiab
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15:36 | <vagrantc> gobby is way too noisy to be useful remotely
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15:37 | if i'm not looking at it while someone makes an edit, it pops up some little reminder that changes are happening, but when i go to look i have no idea what actually changed
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16:20 | <jammcq> sbalneav: ping
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16:21 | * jammcq reminds sbalneav about the phone call at 8:30pm tonight | |
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16:32 | <sbalneav> Eastern?
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16:33 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: michigan is eastern
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16:33 | so probably
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16:35 | <sbalneav> ok, I'll get ekiga set up
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16:36 | Hmm, they don't have any voip info
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16:38 | <Q-FUNK> ekiga is nice
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16:38 | darn... seems I just missed francis
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16:43 | <cliebow> Heck...left the charger at school....
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18:57 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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19:32 | <jammcq> sbalneav: ping
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19:36 | <jammcq> sbalneav: ping
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19:38 | <PMantis> Hey guys
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19:40 | kudos to sbalneav
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20:27 | <jammcq> well?
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20:32 | <jim__> Hello everyone,
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20:33 | I'm trying to run an opengl program, xmoto, on a K12ltsp centos 5 release and can't get the glx to go...
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20:34 | blender works though...
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20:35 | I'm ready to move my home system to ltsp-5 on debian or ubuntu if I can get this system working!!
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20:35 | Is it possible?? ;-)
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20:37 | Maybe I should have said my client is an hp5515 ati rage
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20:51 | * PMantis is looking at dedicated thin clients... does the "LTSP Term 1220 PXE" suport local sound with LTSP 4.2 and/or 5.0 with Ubuntu? | |
20:51 | <jammcq> PMantis: yeah, should work with both
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20:52 | <PMantis> Why is sound on the LTSP Term 1000 harder?
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20:52 | <jammcq> cuz it uses the sis7019 chipset
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20:53 | the driver isn't completely opensource
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20:53 | <PMantis> bastards
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20:53 | It's *almost* the perfect thin client. :)
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20:53 | <jammcq> well, the driver is available, but there's no license information in the code, so it can't be distributed with distro kernels
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20:54 | <jim__> Hi jim m. I've never tried to run a glx program like xmoto or flightgear on a client. Is it possible?
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20:54 | <PMantis> But, like "restricted" Ubuntu packages, I assume it could be compiled in later with more effort.
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20:54 | <jammcq> jim__: it should be, but i'm not a glx guy
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20:55 | <PMantis> That's *really* slick to mount the thin client with the monitor.
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20:55 | <jim__> me either! tux racer can work out of the box... but not on my systems!!
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20:56 | I've seen tux racer run using mesa no prob but with the module glx loaded in lts.conf for us it doesn't go... oh well
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20:57 | I run ltsp for my computer club at school and my students would love to have some of these glx programs to work!!!
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21:08 | Well!! Take care Jim M. Bye
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23:19 | <mwright1> Hello anybody about who can answer a question about Xen Ubuntu LTSP -- I'd like to get sound working on my desktops by migrating from Fedora 7 to Ubuntu gutsy
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23:39 | <stgraber> moquist: ping
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23:40 | moquist: I just come back from Scott's room, we made firefox and flash to run locally with sound working just fine :)
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23:41 | <moquist> stgraber: cool!
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23:42 | * moquist is hanging out on floor 3...where the wireless works for him | |
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23:42 | <stgraber> can't you use the wired network in your room ?
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23:42 | <moquist> haven't tried that; probably should ;)
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23:43 | I wonder if I would have the same problem.
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23:43 | <stgraber> just plug the ethernet, go to the hotel page and enable internet (as with the hotel wifi)
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23:43 | <moquist> I can connect with the w/l just fine, and I can ping my gateway. But my browser doesn't go to the sign-in page, so I can't get my system recognized by their gateway so I can get out to the 'Net.
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23:44 | stgraber: exactly. That's the step that's not working for me.
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23:44 | I've tried both FF and Safari, no luck. meh.
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23:44 | it'll be interesting to see if the wire works.
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23:45 | <vagrantc> jammcq: hey, i'll be (sort of) in your neck of the woods late november/early december
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23:46 | <moquist> vagrantc: out of curiosity, in the neck of whose woods are you now?
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23:47 | <vagrantc> cascadia
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23:47 | <moquist> bah. "moodle has no source override entry / moodle has no binary override entry either"
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23:47 | * moquist works on grokking apt-ftparchive | |
23:48 | <moquist> vagrantc: WA?
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23:48 | <vagrantc> moquist: just south of thereabouts
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23:49 | * moquist nods | |
23:49 | <moquist> I was in WA once.
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23:49 | That was 20 years ago.
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23:49 | * moquist feels old because he can say that | |
23:50 | <stgraber> :)
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23:50 | <moquist> stgraber: I was thinking of you when I made that last comment. ;-)
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23:53 | <stgraber> hehe :)
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