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Channel log from 3 April 2015 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:38 | <awei> Hi. When my fat client is locked, I can't log back in. I'm guessing it's because the user doesn't exist on the fat /root system. How do i refer to the server for valid user accounts?
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| 00:40 | Ok, I'm wrong about the user not existing on fat's /etc/passwd. It's there, but for some reason the lock screen prevents me from logging back in (using ubuntu-MATE for desktop on fat client)
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| 00:41 | nevermind... i think it's a bug w/ ubuntu-mate
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| 01:48 | <MarconM> !ltsp-pnp
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| 01:48 | <ltsp> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 05:35 | <work_alkisg> highvoltage: would it be possible to dynamically create the ldm background from whatever plymouth theme alternative is installed in the system?
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| 05:35 | <alkisg> ....so that we support all ubuntu variants without extra development cost, and with no extra dependencies etc?
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| 05:37 | /etc/alternatives/default.plymouth -> /lib/plymouth/themes/ubuntu-mate-logo/ubuntu-mate-logo.plymouth
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| 05:37 | ...which contains: ImageDir=/lib/plymouth/themes/ubuntu-mate-logo
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| 05:38 | The script there has the necessary colors, and we can use the logo.png for our ldm title too
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| 05:39 | Hmm it might make sense to do the opposite, to have ldm only support plymouth backgrounds, and then we only need to update the debian one
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| 05:39 | *only plymouth themes
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| 05:41 | ...or, only lightdm themes...
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| 12:21 | <highvoltage> work_alkisg: it would be possible, wouldn't be able to be sure that such a theme would look good though (you need contrast between the text and background, and ldm has very simple theming suppport), but yes
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| 15:12 | <championofcyrodi> hi, anyone here ever use 'ethtool'?
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| 15:12 | sorry i mean, 'lspci -v -s'
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| 15:14 | where you specify the PCI slot and it tells you what kernel driver is in use?
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| 15:14 | My issue is that I have 2 kernel modules because i just installed one... but the kernel driver in use is the wrong one.
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| 15:16 | <alkisg> championofcyrodi: lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 Ethernet
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| 15:16 | Or A 3
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| 15:17 | <championofcyrodi> after 2 lines works nicely.
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| 15:17 | so that does display the information much nicer.
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| 15:18 | but i'm still not sure how to actually change the device driver, Kernel driver in use: netxen_nic
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| 15:18 | Kernel modules: nx_nic, netxen_nic
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| 15:18 | <alkisg> blacklist the one you don't want in /etc/modules
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| 15:18 | <championofcyrodi> i'd like to switch it to nx_nic, I believe the driver is determined w/ modprobe.conf....
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| 15:19 | will that require a reboot?
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| 15:19 | <alkisg> Is it an ltsp client?
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| 15:20 | <championofcyrodi> no
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| 15:20 | server
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| 15:20 | <alkisg> Yes, the quick way would be to reboot it
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| 15:20 | <championofcyrodi> okay cool, i see that the package which installed the driver (from HP) actually did black list it already.
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| 15:20 | <alkisg> Otherwise you'd need to rmmod, modprobe, trigger udev, restart network etc
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| 15:20 | <championofcyrodi> because it's in the blacklist.conf, and the timestamp on that file matches up w/ when i installed it.
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| 15:21 | <alkisg> dpkg -S file
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| 15:21 | tells you which package owns it
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| 15:21 | (on debian-like distros)
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| 15:22 | <championofcyrodi> so i was reading that i should rmmod,modprobe, etc... but it seemed like a lot of steps
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| 15:25 | thanks for confirming that is the 'more or less' proper procedure
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| 15:25 | <alkisg> np
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| 15:26 | <championofcyrodi> I'm managing Solaris, Centos, Ubuntu, OS X, and some Windows workstations and servers...
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| 15:26 | so my job is a bit of a nightmare
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| 15:26 | trying to change culture and fix technical problems, but is taking a while.
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| 15:26 | because i cannot ever focus on 1 project for more than a couple of days
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| 15:27 | my users are ~50 data scientists or software engineers... so they all want to use their own mix of technology on the infrastructure.
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| 15:29 | trying to use a server w/ a 10Gbps fiber NIC as a gateway to an interface on the same box with multiple bonded link aggregates on another switch, to achieve bandwidth to support i/o between the normal LAN and the LAN running swift/s3.
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| 15:29 | right now its just 1Gbps <-> 1Gbps between the LANs and it's at capacity
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| 15:36 | heh, broke that server pretty quick... modprobe -r the kernel module the pci card was using... then re-ran lspci to see the output for that pci slot, and now it's hung.
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| 15:36 | <MarconM> alkisg: i installed ltsp-pnpo
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| 15:36 | on lubuntu 14.04
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| 15:37 | works perfect .. but i cant log on ldm
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| 15:37 | if a change the session to openbox ... works
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| 15:37 | but on lxde .. ldm reboot
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| 15:37 | <alkisg> There's a bug with lubuntu
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| 15:37 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/1330252
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| 15:39 | MarconM: what's the output of this command? grep -l "^Exec=$1\$" /usr/share/xsessions/*.desktop 2>/dev/null | sed -n '1 s,.*/\(.*\)\.desktop,\1,p'
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| 15:39 | <MarconM> ok
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| 15:39 | <alkisg> On the server
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| 15:40 | <MarconM> alkisg: nothing
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| 15:40 | <alkisg> !vnc-dide
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| 15:40 | <ltsp> vnc-dide: To share your screen with me, run this: sudo apt-get --yes install x11vnc; x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr - this is a reverse connection, it doesn't need port forwarding etc.
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| 15:40 | <alkisg> MarconM: do this ^ to let me see
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| 15:41 | <MarconM> ahh ok
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| 15:42 | wait a second
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| 15:42 | =)
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| 15:46 | <alkisg> MarconM: do you mind if i install epoptes and then run ltsp-update-image?
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| 15:46 | !epoptes
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| 15:46 | <ltsp> epoptes: Epoptes is a computer lab administration and monitoring tool. It works on Ubuntu and Debian based labs with LTSP or non-LTSP servers, thin and fat clients, standalone workstations, NX clients etc. More info: http://www.epoptes.org
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| 15:47 | <alkisg> This will allow me to debug the client side
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| 15:47 | <championofcyrodi> alkisg: hell yea! 10000Mbps connect on that machine now.
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| 15:47 | <alkisg> Haha, that's cool :)
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| 15:47 | <championofcyrodi> modprobe -r froze it up, but a reboot worked fine.
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| 15:47 | <alkisg> you should have probably stopped networking first
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| 15:48 | <championofcyrodi> yea...
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| 15:49 | its a quorum of 3 servers that use consensus w/ rabbitmq, so it's okay to drop it and bring it back up, it will sync w/ the other 2.
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| 15:49 | but yes, it would be better to know how to swap devices w/o a reboot or locking up the server.
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| 15:52 | <MarconM> alkisg: freaking out here rsrssr
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| 15:53 | brain explosion !!
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| 15:53 | <alkisg> MarconM: wait until you see epoptes... :)
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| 15:54 | <MarconM> alkisg: kkkk ok
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| 15:54 | alkisg: thank for u help
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| 15:54 | =D
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| 15:54 | alkisg: now ... the ltsp-pnp dont have chrrot correct ?
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| 15:54 | <alkisg> Correct
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| 15:54 | <MarconM> now i install the programa app, on real server
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| 15:55 | and run update-image
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| 15:55 | ?
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| 15:55 | ltsp-update-image -c /
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| 15:55 | ?
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| 15:55 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 15:55 | So the server is also a template client
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| 15:55 | <MarconM> ok
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| 15:56 | alkisg: thank about the info
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| 15:56 | about chrrot =)
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| 15:56 | alkisg: do u prefer pnp or the normal ltsp ?
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| 15:56 | <alkisg> Yes, I developed it because i preferred it :)
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| 15:56 | <MarconM> alkisg: u are dev /o\
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| 15:57 | <MarconM> alkisg: if i can help ... with something
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| 15:57 | =D
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| 15:57 | <alkisg> Yes, but please don't use those short words like "u" etc... they're difficult to read
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| 15:57 | <MarconM> ok
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| 15:58 | alkisg: are you greek ?
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| 15:58 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 15:58 | <MarconM> good
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| 15:58 | i study your language a few years ago
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| 15:58 | nice and beautifull place to live
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| 15:59 | <alkisg> Unfortunately with the crisis many people are having economic difficulties...
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| 16:00 | <MarconM> i saw on news
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| 16:00 | here in brazil we have too
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| 16:00 | <alkisg> MarconM: reboot the client
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| 16:00 | <MarconM> alkisg: the update has been finish
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| 16:00 | ok
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| 16:01 | alkisg: did you dev the epotes too ?
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| 16:01 | <alkisg> Co-dev, yup..
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| 16:02 | <MarconM> alkisg: take some time .. but wait
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| 16:02 | client loggin
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| 16:03 | alkisg: works
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| 16:03 | <alkisg> MarconM: wait
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| 16:04 | <MarconM> ok
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| 16:04 | alkisg: epoptes its a greek word ?
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| 16:05 | what the mean
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| 16:05 | <alkisg> Yes, it's someone that observes
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| 16:05 | "overseer"
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| 16:05 | <MarconM> ok
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| 16:05 | i like some greek singers
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| 16:05 | mystique
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| 16:05 | <alkisg> Your lts.conf is broken
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| 16:05 | You have DNS_SERVER before [Default]
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| 16:05 | Don't put directives before [Default]...
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| 16:06 | <MarconM> ok
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| 16:06 | <alkisg> I want to see if it works for thin clients too
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| 16:07 | <MarconM> ok
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| 16:07 | alkisg: if i one day .. format the machine .. i need to do all this again
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| 16:07 | @.@
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| 16:07 | <alkisg> moment, phone...
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| 16:07 | <MarconM> ok
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| 16:08 | alkisg: if u allow me .. i want to write about ltsp-pnp
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| 16:14 | http://sprunge.us/haZZ < alkisg
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| 16:14 | <alkisg> (big phone... wait more... :))
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| 16:14 | <MarconM> kkk =)
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| 16:15 | no problem
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| 16:15 | freeday here today =D
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| 16:27 | <alkisg> MarconM: ok, I'll write in the bug report that my patch does work
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| 16:28 | <MarconM> ok
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| 16:28 | alkisg: but .. congrats ... i liked ltsp-pnp
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| 16:28 | <alkisg> Cool
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| 16:28 | <MarconM> alkisg: the client is a little bit sloow
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| 16:28 | <alkisg> Sure, feel free to write whatever you want about it
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| 16:28 | <MarconM> ok
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| 16:28 | <alkisg> The client should be as fast as if it was running lubuntu locally
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| 16:28 | <MarconM> yes
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| 16:28 | alkisg: any advise for me
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| 16:28 | ?
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| 16:28 | <alkisg> What advice?
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| 16:29 | <MarconM> about install
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| 16:29 | <alkisg> About what?
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| 16:29 | <MarconM> create user
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| 16:29 | normal ?
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| 16:29 | adduser
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| 16:29 | late ... ltsp-update-image -c /
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| 16:29 | <alkisg> Whatever lubuntu uses
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| 16:29 | <MarconM> ok
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| 16:29 | <alkisg> You don't need to run ltsp-update-image after adding users
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| 16:29 | <MarconM> when i need ?
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| 16:29 | if i install some app ?
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| 16:30 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 16:34 | <MarconM> ok
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| 16:40 | <alkisg> stgraber: I assigned https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/1330252 to you, if you could please commit the patch to the packaging code...?
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| 16:40 | One line needs to be changed, in 2 files, 40-ltsp-server and 40-ltsp-client (they're the same file essentially)
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| 16:41 | Also please consider completely syncing the ltsp packaging with debian, it's hard to maintain it that way now
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| 16:55 | <MarconM> alkisg: the new user "aluno" ... taking too long to log in
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| 17:14 | <alkisg> MarconM: is it ok now?
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| 17:14 | Also, what's your network speed? 10 mbps or 100 or 1000?
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| 17:16 | <MarconM> work_alkisg: 15mb/s
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| 17:16 | <work_alkisg> That's too slow for ltsp,
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| 17:16 | ...but how is it possible to have 15 mbps?
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| 17:16 | <MarconM> my internet
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| 17:16 | <work_alkisg> Or do you mean mbyte/sec and not mbit/sec?
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| 17:16 | <MarconM> my adpter 1000mb/s
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| 17:17 | <work_alkisg> LAN speed, not WAN speed
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| 17:17 | And the client adapter?
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| 17:17 | <MarconM> 10/100
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| 17:17 | <work_alkisg> And the switch?
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| 17:17 | <MarconM> 100/1000
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| 17:17 | <work_alkisg> OK, with 100 mbps per client it should be as fast as a local installation of lubuntu
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| 17:17 | <MarconM> yes
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| 17:17 | <MarconM> now i at home
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| 17:17 | using vmware to test the clint
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| 17:18 | but on work .. i ll use real machine
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| 17:18 | <work_alkisg> OK
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| 17:18 | * work_alkisg waves, have a good weekend | |
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| 17:39 | <MarconM> work_alkisg: how i open epoptes
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| 17:40 | diretor is not epoptes group
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| 17:41 | useradd -G epoptes diretor
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| 17:45 | <gbaman> MarconM: did you remember to log out and back in?
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| 17:45 | <MarconM> gbaman: log out
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| 17:45 | yes
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| 22:45 | <danlez> Hello, I am testing out LTSP today and I am a little confused. I set everything up on an ubuntu server, and it is working fine. I am writing this on a client that booted over the network from the server :)
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| 22:45 | but I get the feeling the applications run on the client side, not the server
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| 22:46 | I installed xfce in the chroot and chose that as my session. was that the mistake i made?
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| 22:55 | <vagrantc> if you install in the chroot, and your clients have enough ram, they will typically default to running as fat clients
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| 22:55 | if you install a desktop environment, that is
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| 22:56 | though fat clients really have a lot of advantages
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| 22:56 | so it's worth considering if you have the client hardware
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| 22:57 | <danlez> so I accidentlially made a fat client? how do I turn it into a real thin client? for now I just want to learn everything and then figure out what is best. I can think of advantages for both right now
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| 22:57 | <vagrantc> you can set LTSP_FATCLIENT=false in lts.conf
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| 22:58 | which should be in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/ARCH/lts.conf
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| 22:58 | (where arch is the architecture of your LTSP clients)
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| 22:58 | or you can create one with: ltsp-config lts.conf
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| 22:58 | it might also be in /srv/tftp ... or some other location, depends on your distro.
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| 22:59 | <danlez> running on ubuntu, so your first guess was correct.
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| 22:59 | but had not created the lts.conf yet
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| 23:01 | <vagrantc> ltsp-config creates an example which should be straightforward.
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| 23:03 | <danlez> will ldm or whatever component choose automatically whether to be thin or fat client if both is available?
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| 23:05 | <vagrantc> if files in the client's /usr/share/xsessions/*.desktop exist, and it has ram above a (configurable) threshold, it will enable fat clients.
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| 23:06 | you can force it with LTSP_FATCLIENT=true/false
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| 23:06 | <danlez> cool. thanks a lot, I will tinker with this tomorrow :)
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| 23:07 | <danlez> also wanted to say that this is a great project. there are few, if any, other projects that are set up this easily for such a complex task
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| 23:07 | good job guys, gotta go to bed now. thanks again
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| 23:08 | see you
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| 23:46 | <MarconM> i am back \o/
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| 23:46 | @.@
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