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Channel log from 16 December 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:32 | <indradg> anyone here on K12Linux on Fedora 10?
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| 04:39 | <noob1> still wont work...
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| 08:03 | <epaphus> hello all :)
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| 08:47 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:48 | <scottmaccal> Morning
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| 08:49 | <squarepeg> Scottie!!and Scottie!!
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| 08:51 | <sbalneav> scottmaccal: Saw your bug, do you have automake installed?
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| 08:52 | <scottmaccal> sbalneav: I will check
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| 08:56 | <scottmaccal> sbalneav: yes
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| 09:12 | <Appiah> 1).. they do? 2) oh thats their form of art 3) the challenge
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| 09:15 | <sbalneav> 1) 2 or 3 times on my car 2) And why does one do art? 3) And one accepts challenges because...?
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| 09:18 | <scottmaccal> they can
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| 09:19 | ?
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| 09:20 | <Appiah> achivements and that stuff
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| 09:21 | so seriously , they smasked your car window just to take the money from the ashtray? nothing else?
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| 09:21 | <sbalneav> Yup
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| 09:21 | <Appiah> =/
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| 09:21 | <scottmaccal> I do it to learn and better myself. If that helps other then even better. :-)
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| 09:22 | <Appiah> scottmaccal smask car windows? :D
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| 09:22 | <scottmaccal> eheheheh
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| 09:22 | no
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| 09:22 | <Appiah> smash*
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| 09:22 | <sbalneav> When I used to park in a parking lot that had an electronic exit pass, someone smashed my window, took the pass, exited the parkade, and threw the pass away :)
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| 09:22 | Hey, they saved themselves 5 bucks, so why not.
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| 09:23 | <Appiah> hahaha
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| 09:23 | <scottmaccal> sbalneav: I am sorry :-(
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| 09:23 | <sbalneav> Meh, water under the bridge.
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| 09:24 | 1) Don't let the small things get you down. 2) They're all small things.
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| 09:24 | <scottmaccal> I thought you were giving a test on free software development.
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| 09:24 | <sbalneav> No, we were discussiong why freenode's getting DDOS'd
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| 09:25 | Appiah asked why people do it, and I posited that it's simply because they can.
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| 09:25 | <Appiah> :)
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| 09:26 | <sbalneav> "Just for the hell of it", "just cause I can", "Cause I think it's neat!" are the 3 phrases that have been at the bottom of all of recorded history.
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| 09:29 | <Gadi> for a time it was "Eat my shorts"
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| 09:29 | but that passed...
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| 09:45 | <mgariepy> good morning everybody
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| 09:49 | <scottmaccal> mgariepy: morning
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| 10:24 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: ping?
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| 10:25 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: pong
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| 10:25 | <_UsUrPeR_> woo!
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| 10:25 | <epaphus> :D
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| 10:25 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok, so the next step: running italc on a ltsp cluster.
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| 10:27 | installing it on the server only, (I.E. no chroot install) doesn't seem to detect clients like it did with a single server.
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| 10:27 | <johnny> /me is annoyed at launchpad tracker
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| 10:27 | it's hard to filter
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| 10:29 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: I've never even seen ltsp cluster, but if there are multiple servers installed, they all need the same italc keys
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| 10:29 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: ahhhh~~~
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| 10:29 | ok, lemme give that a shot :)
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| 10:30 | <sbalneav> scottmaccal: Which version of automake?
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| 10:30 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: you may want to use rsync or tar to correctly transfer the keys (with attributes, owners etc)
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| 10:31 | I think italc will refuse to start if the private keys are accessible from anyone
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| 10:31 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: ok.
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| 10:32 | <johnny> or just cp -a ..
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| 10:33 | <alkisg> johnny: scp in ubuntu has problems...
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| 10:33 | scp root@server won't work because root doesn't have a password by default
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| 10:33 | <johnny> that reminds me
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| 10:34 | what are you supposed to do on a default install of ubuntu and you get a fs issues and need to enter root password for maintenance
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| 10:36 | <alkisg> I don't think it prompts for a password there, does it?
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| 10:37 | <sbalneav> Well, that's not a problem :) either set a password for root, or, set up a key for root.
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| 10:39 | * alkisg uses ssh sudo tar | untar locally :P :D | |
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| 10:40 | <johnny> sure.. but what's a user to do.. when they've been running their system fine for a year or whateve.r. not knowing about the root password at all
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| 10:40 | and then they dropped to a console after fs issue and vet asked for a root password
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| 10:40 | get*
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| 10:41 | <alkisg> But do they? I don't think they do...
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| 10:41 | I don't think it prompts for a password
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| 10:43 | <sbalneav> No different from the people who set their root password, don't deal with it for a year, then they've forgotten it. :)
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| 10:43 | <sbalneav> boot init=/bin/sh, or insert a bootable cd, and repair the disk that way.
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| 10:47 | <scottmaccal> sbalneav: GNU automake: 1.10.1
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| 10:49 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: the key copying worked
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| 10:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: is there any way to auto-detect logged in clients in italc? The only way it appears that I can do that is restarting iTalc
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| 11:24 | <shawnp0wers> Anyone familiar enough with how NBD works to be able to tell me if it's possible to boot from a single TFTP server, and "hand off" clients to second LTSP servers?
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| 11:24 | <alkisg> Sure
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| 11:25 | Tftp is a different stage from nbd
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| 11:25 | <shawnp0wers> Right, but I'm not sure how to "hand off" to the NBD server for the root directory
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| 11:25 | <alkisg> How do you want to seperate which client goes to which server?
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| 11:25 | Randomly?
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| 11:25 | By mac address?
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| 11:26 | <shawnp0wers> well, randomly or with a specified folder under pxelinux.cfg
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| 11:26 | based on either mac address or IP
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| 11:26 | but I'm not entirely sure what to *put* in there. :)
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| 11:26 | <alkisg> OK try the pxelinux.cfg first: nbdroot=serverip:2000
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| 11:26 | (kernel parameter, put it right next to quiet splash)
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| 11:26 | <shawnp0wers> so I can put that in the specification for each computer... awesome
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| 11:26 | <epaphus> TO connect as a client to an ltsp server.. what ports should the firewall have opened..??
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| 11:26 | <shawnp0wers> that was the magic sauce I wasn't sure of
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| 11:27 | We used to do root=server:/ltsp/root type stuff
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| 11:27 | but that was NFS not NBD
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| 11:27 | <alkisg> Right
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| 11:27 | <shawnp0wers> ok, thank you -- I'll give it a go
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| 11:27 | (I was worried it was all tied up into the initrd or something, and I'd need a separate one on the PXE server for each server...)
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| 11:29 | <alkisg> epaphus: 67,68 for dhcp, 69 for tftp, 2000 for nbd, 9572 for nbdswap, 9571 for ldminfod, and of course dns, squid etc if you want firefox as a localapp
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| 11:29 | <shawnp0wers> alkisg: Really, thanks a ton -- that really made my day. :)
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| 11:29 | <epaphus> oh
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| 11:29 | ok
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| 11:29 | <Gadi> alkisg: dont forget 22 for ssh and optionally 6000-6010 for X (when using LDM_DIRECTX)
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| 11:30 | <epaphus> thanks :)
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| 11:30 | <alkisg> Ty Gadi :)
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| 11:33 | <Gadi> alkisg: actually, there's also 4713 for sound, and 9100 for local printing and hmm... what do we use for removable media again ? ;)
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| 11:33 | <alkisg> Is there really (usually) need for a firefox in the LTSP-facing NIC?
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| 11:34 | ***firewall, not firefox :D
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| 11:52 | <indradg> hi... anyone here who can shine light on yum installing inside ltsp5 chroot on K12Linux
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| 11:56 | <shawnp0wers> alkisg: I have another question... the server IP is no longer specified in lts.conf, does it use the same IP as the NBD server? or is that another kernel option?
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| 11:58 | <tryltsp> Hello guys, im using ltsp5 and dont cant use serial mouse. some onde can help-me? (ltsp5+ubunto 9.10)
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| 11:59 | wen i execute "getltspcfg -a" i can see the config work, but mouse not work.
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| 11:59 | if i install gpm i can use mouse in terminal (text mode)
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| 11:59 | so i think the problen is the X.
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| 12:00 | what script configure the xorg in the terminal?
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| 12:02 | <shawnp0wers> alkisg: nevermind, I'm pretty sure it does (I just tested, and it appears to be using the same server as the NBD image I pointed it to)
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| 12:03 | <indradg> anyone here using FL_Teachertool on K12Linux?
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| 12:03 | <shawnp0wers> indradg: when I have to, I'm trying desperately to get away from k12linux though
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| 12:04 | <tryltsp> no one?
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| 12:04 | <Gadi> tryltsp: try: X_MOUSE_DEVICE = /dev/ttyS0
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| 12:04 | in your lts.conf
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| 12:07 | <alkisg> shawnp0wers: yup, like you said it, SERVER defaults to nbdroot if it isn't declared in lts.conf.
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| 12:08 | <shawnp0wers> alkisg: that is really perfect for my attempts to load balance at the PXE level. :)
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| 12:10 | <jhutchins_lt> tryltsp: Hang on a sec...
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| 12:10 | tryltsp:
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| 12:10 | X_MOUSE_DEVICE = /dev/ttyS0
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| 12:10 | X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = Microsoft
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| 12:11 | in lts.conf. I doubt you'll even get gpm to install.
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| 12:11 | <tryltsp> Gadi: ive do it
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| 12:11 | <tryltsp> Gadi: and see this config if execute getltspcfg -a in the terminal, but mouse not work in graphics mode
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| 12:12 | jhutchins: ive do it and see this config if execute getltspcfg -a in the terminal (text-mode), but mouse not work in graphics
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| 12:13 | jhutchins Gadi: other idea?
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| 12:13 | <alkisg> Is the serial module even loaded by default in 9.10?
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| 12:13 | Ah, you said you could see the mouse from console.. hm...
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| 12:14 | <tryltsp> alkisg: good ideia, i will look for it now
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| 12:14 | <tryltsp> alkisg: in the consolse if I install gpm, the mouse work, but in graphics mode no
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| 12:14 | <jhutchins_lt> tryltsp: This is on the client, right?
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| 12:15 | <tryltsp> jhutchins_lt: yea
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| 12:15 | <johnny> x doesn't use gpm..
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| 12:15 | <jhutchins_lt> tryltsp: Do you know which port the mouse is on? Does /dev/mouse exist?
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| 12:15 | <tryltsp> johnny: i know. i use gpm to test if the serial port is ok
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| 12:16 | <shawnp0wers> General Question: is there anything in the chroot that is specific to the server it's on? ie, can I rsync it and the NBD image file to multiple LTSP servers?
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| 12:17 | Or do I need to create it on each server?
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| 12:17 | <johnny> no, nothin specific
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| 12:17 | <shawnp0wers> ok, cool
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| 12:17 | <johnny> as long as you're using tftp for lts.conf
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| 12:17 | <shawnp0wers> yes, indeed
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| 12:17 | and one central tftp server, so one lts.conf! w00t!
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| 12:17 | :)
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| 12:19 | <tryltsp> alkisg: I execute lsmod, before configure the mouse in the gpm, after execute again, and no new module is up.
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| 12:19 | alkisg: i belive the X not using config getting in getltspcfg. Do you know how can i see it?
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| 12:20 | <Gadi> tryltsp: at the console, type: inputattach Microsoft /dev/ttyS0
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| 12:20 | then, hit ctrl-alt-backspace on the gui screen
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| 12:21 | <tryltsp> Gadi: invalid mode
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| 12:22 | --microsoft
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| 12:22 | <Gadi> ah, sorry
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| 12:22 | yeah
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| 12:22 | <tryltsp> Gadi: work
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| 12:23 | <Gadi> it works in the gui now?
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| 12:23 | <tryltsp> Gadi: Yes
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| 12:23 | <Gadi> I found some insights here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/9068
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| 12:24 | <tryltsp> Gadi: thanks
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| 12:24 | <Gadi> see post #76
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| 12:24 | perhaps if you make those changes in the chorrt to the .fdi file and update the image, it will do the right thing?
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| 12:24 | otherwise, you can always create a script to run on boot that executes the inputattach command
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| 12:27 | <jelly-bean1> has anyone succesfully gotten compiz working on a ltsp thin client
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| 12:28 | or emerald themes
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| 12:28 | <shawnp0wers> jelly-bean1: yes, very very well
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| 12:28 | compiz anyway
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| 12:28 | It "just works" for me
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| 12:28 | <jelly-bean1> shawnp0wers: i am trying it now. i added SKIP_CHECK=TRUE but when i select compiz the screen goes white :/
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| 12:29 | <shawnp0wers> Huh -- I actually did nothing, I just installed the compizconfig-manager thingy
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| 12:29 | <jelly-bean1> VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV610 [Radeon HD 2400 XT]
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| 12:29 | <shawnp0wers> and all works well
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| 12:29 | <jelly-bean1> u run that on client?
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| 12:29 | <shawnp0wers> I have an intel 945 I think
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| 12:29 | yep
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| 12:29 | actually, just running the "apearance" panel thingy in gnome works too
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| 12:29 | not as fine tuned
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| 12:30 | <jelly-bean1> its probably the ati drivers
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| 12:30 | <shawnp0wers> but seems to give "wiggly windows" which is always good for oohs and aahs
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| 12:30 | <jelly-bean1> haha
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| 12:30 | <shawnp0wers> probably. :(
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| 12:32 | <jelly-bean1> this is my error exactly http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=841344
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| 12:32 | <johnny> alkisg, yes.. i do get that issue when i had to fsck my gf's ubuntu install
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| 12:32 | perhaps she needs a fresh install
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| 12:33 | <Gadi> jelly-bean1: is ati on the server or the client?
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| 12:33 | <jelly-bean1> server
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| 12:33 | <Gadi> ok, and you did: SKIP_CHECKS=YES
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| 12:34 | <jelly-bean1> yes. and client has nvidia geforce
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| 12:34 | if that matters
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| 12:34 | <Gadi> I mean SKIP_CHECKS=yes
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| 12:34 | <jelly-bean1> before i did skip checks it would tell me desktop is not available ors omething
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| 12:34 | <Gadi> (it is important to be exact and case sensitive)
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| 12:34 | <jelly-bean1> like when i would choose something under appearance other than "none" i would get an alert box which prevented me
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| 12:35 | but after i did the skip checks that went away and it appears to try but goes to white screen
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| 12:35 | <johnny> does the live cd use SKIP_CHECKS?
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| 12:35 | <jelly-bean1> earlier i was seeing an error about xgl too
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| 12:35 | <johnny> also on my gf's ubuntu install the livecd has wobbly windows
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| 12:35 | <jelly-bean1> so i am thinking its an xgl and ati driver compatibility thing
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| 12:35 | <johnny> but it won't let me enable them on her actual install
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| 12:35 | xgl is dead..
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| 12:35 | been dead
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| 12:35 | <Gadi> the liveCD worked on the nvidia machine?
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| 12:35 | <johnny> doesn't get used sicne years..
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| 12:36 | <Gadi> has nothing to do with the ati driver
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| 12:36 | it doesnt come into play if you skip the checks
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| 12:36 | it would only have to do with the nvidia driver you are using
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| 12:36 | try: gxinfo|grep direct
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| 12:36 | oops
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| 12:37 | glxinfo|grep direct
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| 12:38 | <jelly-bean1> Error: unable to open display
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| 12:38 | via ssh or on the thin client?
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| 12:38 | <Gadi> in the gui
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| 12:38 | on the thin client
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| 12:39 | <jelly-bean1> direct rendering: No
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| 12:39 | <Gadi> there ya go
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| 12:39 | you need an nvidia driver installed with direct rendering support
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| 12:39 | in the chroot
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| 12:40 | before you can have compiz
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| 12:40 | <jelly-bean1> so chroot and then run envyng ?
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| 12:40 | <jelly-bean1> or try it on the thin client?
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| 12:41 | what about this: i just created /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/lts.conf and put LDM_DIRECTX=yes
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| 12:41 | does that help?
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| 12:41 | <Gadi> yeah - you must use LDM_DIRECTX
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| 12:41 | if you tunnel through ssh, you won't get compiz
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| 12:42 | you have a 64-bit chroot?
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| 12:42 | make sure you actually put:
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| 12:42 | [default]
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| 12:42 | LDM_DIRECTX=True
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| 12:42 | in that file
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| 12:43 | <shawnp0wers> Another general question: Does each .img file get a separate port for NBD?
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| 12:43 | <Gadi> yes
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| 12:43 | <shawnp0wers> oh, and the kernel flag woudl specify
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| 12:43 | I get it
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| 12:43 | does it default to port 2000 though?
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| 12:44 | <Gadi> yes
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| 12:44 | <shawnp0wers> I'm learning so much
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| 12:44 | lol
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| 12:45 | <jelly-bean1> Gadi: ok updated the file. do i need to restart anything or just logout on client and back in?
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| 12:45 | <Gadi> reboot the client
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| 12:46 | <jelly-bean1> Gadi: i am using 64-bit amd64 image and the client and server are 64-bit cpu. dunno what you mean by chroot tho.
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| 12:46 | <Gadi> no worries then
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| 12:46 | :)
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| 12:46 | <Appiah> chroot is the image that you built for the clients
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| 12:47 | so you got 64bit clients, are those thin clients?
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| 12:48 | <jelly-bean1> yes
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| 12:49 | Gadi: no improvement. how do i get the nvidia driver installed w/ direct rendering support in the chroot?
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| 12:49 | <Appiah> O_o
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| 12:49 | installing the nvidia driver in the chroot then forcing that driver with those settings in lts.conf
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| 12:49 | if it's not getting auto-detected that is
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| 12:50 | <jelly-bean1> how do i install in chroot?
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| 12:50 | and the only thing my lts.conf has are those two lines Gadi pasted above
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| 12:50 | <Gadi> jelly-bean1: before you proceed, do: echo $DISPLAY in the thin client gui
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| 12:50 | <jelly-bean1> localhost:11.0
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| 12:51 | <Gadi> jelly-bean1: your configuration didnt take
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| 12:52 | <jelly-bean1> :o
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| 12:52 | <Gadi> you are still tunneling thru ssh
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| 12:52 | <jelly-bean1> which one? lts.conf?
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| 12:52 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 12:52 | your lts.conf
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| 12:52 | <jelly-bean1> cuz i put skip_checks in another file... /etc/xdg/compiz/compiz-manager
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| 12:52 | <Gadi> nah, the LDM_DIRECTX=True didnt take
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| 12:53 | <jelly-bean1> do i have to put it in /opt/ltsp/amd64/etc/lts.conf instead?
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| 12:53 | <jelly-bean1> instead of /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/lts.conf
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| 12:53 | or rebuild image
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| 12:53 | <shawnp0wers> jelly-bean1: Did you reboot after adding the file?
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| 12:53 | <jelly-bean1> i rebooted the thin client, yes
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| 12:53 | <Gadi> nah - that should have worked
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| 12:53 | <jelly-bean1> before i had it = yes
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| 12:53 | <Gadi> can you pastebot the lts.conf file?
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| 12:53 | <jelly-bean1> but i changed it to True like u put
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| 12:53 | <Gadi> !pastebot
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| 12:53 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 12:54 | <jelly-bean1> http://ltsp.pastebin.com/d536f869a
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| 12:55 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 27 2009-12-16 11:45 lts.conf
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| 12:55 | in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64
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| 12:55 | <Gadi> that should work - did you do anything weird with your dhcp setup or anything?
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| 12:55 | <jelly-bean1> yes
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| 12:55 | pfsense is serving dhcp
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| 12:55 | the 3 options for boot server
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| 12:55 | i am not using ltsp dhcp3
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| 12:56 | <Gadi> ok, and what is the filename in the dhcp server?
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| 12:56 | <jelly-bean1> filename is /ltsp/amd64/pxelinux.0 root-path iis /opt/ltsp/amd64
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| 12:57 | <Gadi> can you try adding to your pxelinux.cfg/default file the kernel argument: nbdroot=<ltsp_server_ip>:2000
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| 12:57 | try that, and I will be back in a bit (meeting)
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| 12:59 | <jelly-bean1> http://ltsp.pastebin.com/d5787d8cd
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| 12:59 | thtas what it looks like now
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| 12:59 | restarting thin client
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| 13:01 | <shawnp0wers> jelly-bean1: I think you have to put it on the append line
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| 13:02 | <jelly-bean1> ya it didnt change anything. k trying that
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| 13:03 | <shawnp0wers> Also, I came in late here -- but I'm not sure what IPAPPEND 3 does
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| 13:03 | <jelly-bean1> http://ltsp.pastebin.com/d2a5f67f7
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| 13:03 | <shawnp0wers> yes, that's the correct configuration for the nbdroot= line
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| 13:03 | <jelly-bean1> ipappend 3 tells ltsp to ignore unexpected dhcp options which our pfsense router issues
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| 13:03 | <shawnp0wers> ahh, gotcha
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| 13:05 | <jelly-bean1> restarted thin client but no changes
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| 13:06 | same output from those two commands and white screen when enabling effects
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| 13:06 | i wonder if this would 'just work' for me if the ltsp server had nvidia hardware?
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| 13:06 | <shawnp0wers> probably not, ironically, my server has an ATI card, but my thin clients have Intel
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| 13:07 | <jelly-bean1> i wonder how to ensure lts.conf is loaded by thin client
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| 13:08 | i had to create that file, it wasn't there before
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| 13:08 | <shawnp0wers> yeah, it's not there by default
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| 13:09 | <jelly-bean1> what is Gadi expecting to see from echo $DISPLAY?
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| 13:09 | <shawnp0wers> you could add a SCREEN_07=shell -- that should be noticable. :)
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| 13:09 | <jelly-bean1> to lts.conf?
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| 13:09 | under [default]?
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| 13:09 | <shawnp0wers> yes
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| 13:09 | <jelly-bean1> k did. rebooting thin client
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| 13:10 | <shawnp0wers> ::
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| 13:10 | oops, wrong window
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| 13:10 | <jelly-bean1> should the thin client be able to shut down? i tell it to restart and it appears to hang. i havent waited more than3 min tho
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| 13:10 | it says stuff about attempting to send data on closed socket
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| 13:10 | <shawnp0wers> uh... I'd just power it off
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| 13:11 | <jelly-bean1> and no effect
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| 13:11 | still booted into xwindows
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| 13:11 | <shawnp0wers> O.o
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| 13:11 | <jelly-bean1> so the conf file not being read?
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| 13:11 | <shawnp0wers> that's my guess
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| 13:11 | I think SCREEN_07=shell should dump you right into a shell
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| 13:13 | <jelly-bean1> Start your file with the [Default] section.
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| 13:13 | Then every setting must be indented. Either with 2 or more spaces or a tab.
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| 13:13 | If not indented, the file will not be parsed correctly and your changes will have no effect.
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| 13:13 | <jelly-bean1> thats what this site says
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| 13:14 | but even that didnt help
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| 13:14 | <shawnp0wers> yeah -- dumps me into shell if I add that setting (jus tetsted)
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| 13:14 | I have no indents either... O.o
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| 13:15 | <jelly-bean1> After changing your lts.conf in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc, you need to run ltsp-update-image to put it in effect.
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| 13:15 | In ltsp 5, you can actually make changes to lts.conf without running ltsp-update-image, but you need to move the lts.conf to /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386.
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| 13:15 | <shawnp0wers> yes, correct
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| 13:15 | the one in the tftpboot directory is the one we're both talking about
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| 13:15 | <jelly-bean1> im assuming i have ltsp 5 because i have latest ubuntu karmic
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| 13:15 | <shawnp0wers> yes
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| 13:15 | <johnny> yes..
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| 13:15 | <squarepeg> ja
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| 13:15 | <jelly-bean1> i dont use i386 i use amd64 tho
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| 13:15 | so i put it in there
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| 13:15 | <johnny> altho.. i still can't get the lts.conf to work on my setup yet.. from tftpboot
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| 13:16 | yes.. of course..
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| 13:16 | the default is i386 for most tho
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| 13:16 | <shawnp0wers> right, that's *shouldn't* matter, but admittedly I've never done it. :)
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| 13:16 | <johnny> you're a rarity to have amd64 clients
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| 13:18 | <alkisg> jelly-bean1: for the restart problem, it's a known bug that was solved shortly after the Karmic release.
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| 13:18 | <jelly-bean1> ah
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| 13:18 | <alkisg> Where have you put the lts.conf file? And, can you upload it to pastebin?
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| 13:18 | <jelly-bean1> http://ltsp.pastebin.com/d536f869a
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| 13:18 | <alkisg> To see if it's parsed, run: ltsp-localapps xterm
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| 13:19 | An xterm should emerge. In that, run: getltscfg -a
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| 13:19 | <jelly-bean1> /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/lts.conf
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| 13:19 | <alkisg> You should see whatever you have in lts.conf.
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| 13:19 | <jelly-bean1> do this from thin client?
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| 13:19 | <alkisg> Can you also upload /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf ?
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| 13:19 | Yes, from the thin client.
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| 13:19 | <jelly-bean1> yes but i dont use dhcp3
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| 13:19 | <alkisg> dnsmasq then
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| 13:20 | (whatever :))
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| 13:20 | <jelly-bean1> alkisg: the getltscfg -a returns nothing in the xterm window
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| 13:20 | no error tho
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| 13:20 | <alkisg> It's not downloaded then
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| 13:20 | <jelly-bean1> i use pfsense freebsd router
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| 13:20 | to issue the 3 options
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| 13:21 | <alkisg> Ugh. Post any boot-filename related settings
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| 13:21 | <jelly-bean1> filename is /ltsp/amd64/pxelinux.0 root-path iis /opt/ltsp/amd64
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| 13:22 | <alkisg> Is there a setting to send the filename based on the vendor id?
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| 13:22 | E.g. PXEClient:/ltsp/amd64/pxelinux.0 ?
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| 13:22 | <jelly-bean1> johnny: the amd64 clients locally these days are cheaper than the small form-factor thin clients online + shipping :)
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| 13:22 | <alkisg> (a setting currently *in effect*, I mean)
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| 13:22 | <jelly-bean1> alkisg: no. all clients get same options
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| 13:23 | <alkisg> OK, also, there are 2 dhcp options for the filename
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| 13:23 | One is inside the dhcp structure, and the other one is option 67 if I remember correctly
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| 13:23 | <jelly-bean1> i am only sending 3 options
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| 13:23 | <alkisg> If pfsense is sending the filename as option 67, then the clients don't get lts.conf
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| 13:23 | <jelly-bean1> Enter the IP address from the network boot server. Enter the filename used for network booting. Enter option root-path.
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| 13:24 | i'll check
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| 13:24 | <alkisg> jelly-bean1: never mind, let's skip it to the workarounds
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| 13:25 | If no filename is send to the dhcp request in initramfs, then the default /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 is used and then lts.conf is searched in /ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 13:25 | So, make a symlink in the server
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| 13:26 | <alkisg> mkdir thepath; ln -s ../amd64/pxelinux.0 /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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| 13:26 | <jelly-bean1> :o
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| 13:26 | its been booting i386 all this time!
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| 13:27 | ?
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| 13:27 | <alkisg> No, just lts.conf
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| 13:27 | <jelly-bean1> shoudlnt i symlink the conf then
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| 13:27 | <alkisg> Ugh sorry
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| 13:27 | My bad
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| 13:27 | Yup, I meant to symlink lts.conf
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| 13:28 | <jelly-bean1> root@helium:/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386# ln -s ../amd64/lts.conf .
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| 13:28 | k done
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| 13:28 | restart thin cilent?
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| 13:28 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 13:28 | <jelly-bean1> it worked
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| 13:28 | im dumped to shell
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| 13:29 | <shawnp0wers> hehehe, yeah, my fault
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| 13:29 | :D
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| 13:29 | <jelly-bean1> yay. k removed that . rebootting again
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| 13:29 | <shawnp0wers> just delete that SCREEN_07 line
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| 13:31 | <jelly-bean1> now $DISPLAY = 10.1.10.59:7.0
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| 13:31 | but glxinfo says direct: No and still get white screen when enabling effects
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| 13:32 | <sbalneav> What kind of video card's in the thin clients.
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| 13:32 | <jelly-bean1> nvidia geforce
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| 13:32 | <sbalneav> I don't think they work remotely with compiz
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| 13:32 | <jelly-bean1> server is ati VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV610 [Radeon HD 2400 XT]
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| 13:33 | <sbalneav> The only thin clients I've seen that have been working successfully with remote compiz are Intel ones.
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| 13:33 | <jelly-bean1> shawnp0wers says his works
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| 13:33 | <shawnp0wers> I'm using intel
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| 13:33 | :)
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| 13:33 | <jelly-bean1> o
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| 13:34 | :(
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| 13:34 | like what? onboard video?
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| 13:34 | <sbalneav> And, IMNSHO, compiz is the absolute, all time, hands down, undisputed, biggest waste of time, effort, and processing cycles.
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| 13:34 | <jelly-bean1> what intel chipset?
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| 13:34 | <shawnp0wers> just cheapy 915 I think
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| 13:34 | or 945, don't remember
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| 13:34 | Dell GX-270s
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| 13:34 | And the disklessworkstations Term-1520
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| 13:34 | both work great with compiz, both using intel chipsets
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| 13:35 | <jelly-bean1> i have a machien with intel chipset
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| 13:35 | trying it now
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| 13:35 | <sbalneav> It'll probably work out-of-the-box.
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| 13:36 | IIRC, someone traced it down to problems with the nvidia driver
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| 13:36 | it was either the nvidia driver or the ati driver, was a couple of weeks ago.
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| 13:36 | <jelly-bean1> i'll have to switch to the i386 image tho
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| 13:36 | <sbalneav> try the irc logs
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| 13:36 | <jelly-bean1> alkisg: is ther a fix i can get for karmic restart?
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| 13:36 | <alkisg> !stgraber-ppa
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| 13:36 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "stgraber-ppa" :: https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive/ppa
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| 13:37 | <alkisg> Updated packages there ^^ otherwise you'd need to patch a couple of scripts
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| 13:38 | And if *all* of the clients are nvidia ones, afaik you'd get better performance if you also put an nvidia on the server, and installed the nvidia drivers both on the server and the chroot.
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| 13:38 | <jelly-bean1> alkisg: yes they are
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| 13:38 | so how could i put nvidia on server?
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| 13:38 | <alkisg> I mean the hardware, to change the card
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| 13:38 | <shawnp0wers> alkisg: really? On the server?
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| 13:39 | <sbalneav> alkisg: Yeah, wasn't there something about the compiz program first looking at the server, and buggering something up, which then mucked it up for the thin client?
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| 13:39 | <alkisg> Because the nvidia drivers put their custom gl libs, so you'll need those libs on the server as well
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| 13:39 | <shawnp0wers> oh oh oh, gotcha
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| 13:39 | <alkisg> sbalneav: I've seen an [nvidia drivers on the server + intel clients] rotated screen problem..
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| 13:39 | <sbalneav> yeah, yeah. That was it.
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| 13:40 | <alkisg> ...which was solved by either uninstalling the drivers, or by disabling compiz
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| 13:40 | <sbalneav> And it was something goofy that compiz was doing in it's tests to see if you can run compiz.
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| 13:41 | <shawnp0wers> The thing about compiz is that it really sells thin clients to the mundane. :)
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| 13:41 | Plus, it's awesome.
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| 13:41 | <sbalneav> I think all of compiz's problems can be solved by sudo apt-get purge compiz
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| 13:41 | <shawnp0wers> heheheheh
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| 13:41 | <alkisg> !sbalneav++
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| 13:41 | <sbalneav> it's not awesome
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| 13:41 | <shawnp0wers> it's awesome in a visually stimulating way
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| 13:41 | <sbalneav> It's another word that STARTS with aw
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| 13:41 | <jelly-bean1> ah the intel just works
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| 13:41 | but its laggy. is urs laggy shawnp0wers?
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| 13:42 | <shawnp0wers> sbalneav: from a marketing standpoint, compiz is great
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| 13:42 | jelly-bean1: No, it doesn't seem to be
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| 13:42 | not any more laggy than on a standalone install
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| 13:42 | intel isn't exactly the beefiest of hardware
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| 13:42 | <jelly-bean1> the wobbly is a little slow
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| 13:43 | is emerald part of compiz? i really just want to make ubuntu look like vista
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| 13:43 | the theme i have for the glass window decorators is emerald
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| 13:44 | <alkisg> http://my.opera.com/ubuntunerd1/blog/make-ubuntu-look-like-windows-vista
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| 13:44 | :D
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| 13:44 | * shawnp0wers considers buying sbalneav a "I <3 Compiz" t-shirt for Christmas | |
| 13:46 | <CAN-o-SPAM> heheheh @ shawnp0wers
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| 13:50 | * Gadi wonders why you wouldnt aim to look like Windows 7 - Windows Vista is so last year | |
| 13:50 | <CAN-o-SPAM> that comment was so Gadi
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| 13:51 | have you tried Win 7 yet? I thought it was great ... till the video drivers repeatedly crashed :(
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| 13:51 | * Gadi hasn't had the pleasure but has worked some with w2k8r2 - which is about the same | |
| 13:52 | <CAN-o-SPAM> gadi: you have seamlessRDP working with rdesktop 1.6? for r2?
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| 13:52 | <Gadi> havent tried
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| 13:52 | (yet)
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| 13:52 | :)
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| 13:52 | <CAN-o-SPAM> ya i'm at the same point
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| 13:52 | <Gadi> rdesktop is a bit f'd up vis-a-vis w2k8r2
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| 13:53 | <CAN-o-SPAM> seen the mouse color issue?
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| 13:53 | <ltsplogbot> I don't know who the is.
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| 13:53 | <Gadi> but only because M$ broke its own backwards compatability
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| 13:53 | its amazing how you can draft a spec and then not adhere to it when you implement your code
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| 13:54 | <CAN-o-SPAM> gadi: have you seen the issue with color of the mouse cursor?
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| 13:54 | <Gadi> mouse color is a case in point
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| 13:54 | <CAN-o-SPAM> ok thank you
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| 13:54 | heh
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| 13:54 | <Gadi> :)
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| 13:54 | sorry - I need at least a 5 min intro to rant
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| 13:55 | shawnp0wers is now known as Compiz_Boy | |
| 13:55 | <Compiz_Boy> lol
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| 13:55 | Compiz_Boy is now known as shawnp0wers | |
| 13:55 | <sbalneav> Gadi: So, I had to drink my beer alone last nite!
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| 13:55 | And you know when I drink alone...
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| 13:55 | I prefer to be by myself :)
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| 13:56 | <Gadi> sbalneav: sorry - I needed to immerse myself in other people's problems, so I watched these poor people being chased around the universe by Cylons
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| 13:57 | <sbalneav> I'll be home again tonight if you need to vent :)
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| 13:57 | <CAN-o-SPAM> what time is the session?
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| 13:58 | <sbalneav> Dunno! Pop into irc and ping us. Phones can conference call :)
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| 13:58 | <CAN-o-SPAM> heh might have to conference in
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| 13:59 | <sbalneav> Gadi: How's the bambino?
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| 13:59 | brbm workping
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| 13:59 | <Gadi> getting big
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| 13:59 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Gadi: is the little one writing HTML yet?
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| 14:00 | <Gadi> hmm... no, but I bet the older 2 will be soon
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| 14:00 | :)
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| 14:00 | <CAN-o-SPAM> start em young! my first prog = QBasic
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| 14:01 | <Gadi> I think I had a Basic Programming cartridge for the Atari 2600
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| 14:01 | but, I must admit, I played way more space invaders
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| 14:04 | <CAN-o-SPAM> heh ... first game i remember beating was Wolfenstein 3D!!
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| 14:07 | <elias_a> c64 + Pacman <3
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| 14:08 | * shawnp0wers 's first programing was BASIC with his TI-99/4A | |
| 14:08 | <elias_a> Or ZX Spectrum & Hobbit game :)
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| 14:08 | <sbalneav> zx-81 and ant attack
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| 14:08 | <shawnp0wers> cassette tape backups FTW!
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| 14:08 | <sbalneav> First programming language I learned (after basic) was ZX-Forth
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| 14:09 | <shawnp0wers> Mine didn't progress far after BASIC...
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| 14:09 | Pascal in high school was it
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| 14:09 | <CAN-o-SPAM> heh
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| 14:09 | * sbalneav still has a soft spot in his skull^H^H^H^H^Hheart for Forth | |
| 14:09 | <elias_a> Pascal <3
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| 14:09 | <shawnp0wers> and now, even Perl stumps me
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| 14:09 | * shawnp0wers goes off to buy a book | |
| 14:10 | <shawnp0wers> ok, someone showed up to the meeting finally, ttfn
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| 14:48 | <jelly-bean1> how can i restrict where users can go in ltsp
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| 14:49 | i really dont want them going outside their home directory
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| 14:49 | like each user should be jailed
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| 14:49 | and not able to mess with each other's files or files that are on the server
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| 14:52 | <sbalneav> jelly-bean1: Well, you can keep them out of each others home directories with $HOME being set to mode 700
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| 14:53 | as for the rest of the system, not possible.
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| 14:53 | Same way it is on windows.
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| 14:53 | They cant write or bugger anything up, but they can see stuff.
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| 15:02 | <jelly-bean1> the problem is that we have source code on that server too
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| 15:02 | so we'll have to either install ltsp on its own server or something
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| 16:15 | <johnny> sbalneav, ...
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| 16:15 | hacky note for you buddy
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| 16:15 | David Zeuthen - "Finally, I did a really cute hack a few weeks ago - I made Palimpsest use D-Bus over TCP/IP over SSH to speak to udisks:"
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| 16:16 | <johnny> http://blog.fubar.dk/?p=108
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| 16:17 | anybody interested in devicekit-disks (udisks now) should read it
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| 16:17 | and read about how it is being used remotely for headless pcs
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| 16:19 | <jelly-bean1> u can buy a bunch of acer one netbooks for $240 cheaper than any thin client ive seen
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| 16:19 | and then u get wireless
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| 16:19 | and a display
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| 16:23 | <Lns> still with the ddos...heh
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| 16:27 | <epaphus> ohh its a ddos??
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| 16:27 | interesting
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| 16:28 | <Gadi> sbalneav: ping
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| 16:29 | <sbalneav> Gadi: pong
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| 16:29 | just about ready to head home.
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| 16:29 | <Gadi> hey - would you happen to know a commandline utility in X to send a key event
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| 16:29 | <sbalneav> Ooooooh
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| 16:29 | <Gadi> I want to send the caps lock key event in a script
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| 16:30 | <sbalneav> no, but I've got some C code at home that does it!
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| 16:30 | <Gadi> but not using a console util like setleds
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| 16:30 | <sbalneav> I don't think there is one.
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| 16:30 | <Gadi> you have C code, tho?
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| 16:30 | <sbalneav> I'll ding you when I get home
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| 16:30 | yes
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| 16:30 | <Gadi> cool
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| 16:30 | thx
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| 16:30 | <sbalneav> NP
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| 16:30 | off
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| 17:11 | <Lns> That would make for interesting prank-ware ;)
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| 17:12 | * Lns remembers an old DOS util that used to randomly CapITAlizE WoRDs sO yOU lOOkED EliTe ;) | |
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| 17:47 | <sbalneav> nubae_: Hey hey!
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| 18:34 | <sbalneav> stgraber-n900: Is that like the terminator version of you?
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| 18:36 | <stgraber-n900> it's me with the same cell as Olli :)
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| 18:38 | <sbalneav> Cool :)
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| 19:09 | <sbalneav> Evening epaphus
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| 19:09 | * sbalneav hand epaphus his "regular" badge :) | |
| 19:12 | <epaphus> ahh sweet
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| 19:12 | thanks
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| 19:12 | <sbalneav> Start coding, we'll make you a developer next :)
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| 19:13 | <epaphus> are you a dev?? sbalneav
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| 19:18 | <ehrenpr> Anyone know of any resources, or have any ideas of how to present integrating LTSP school wide to a board of directors.
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| 19:18 | <sbalneav> yep
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| 19:19 | for almost 10 years :)
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| 19:19 | <sbalneav> Here's another!
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| 19:19 | Hey vagrantc
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| 19:19 | ehrenpr: Have you spoken with alkisg yet? he's probably got stuff in greek for you.
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| 19:20 | Google about, there's been lots of presentations published.
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| 19:20 | <ehrenpr> Not yet..
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| 19:20 | <sbalneav> k12ltsp used to have some good stuff on their site
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| 19:20 | and I know edubuntu has some materials on theirs.
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| 19:20 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 19:22 | <ehrenpr> Ok. I was thinking about having them check out my setup in my room, but I want to stay away from sounding too technical.
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| 19:41 | <epaphus> sbalneav, are you a LTSP dev?
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| 19:41 | <vagrantc> one of the grand masters
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| 19:42 | <sbalneav> epaphus: yeah, for almost 10 years, like I said before
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| 19:43 | I think I was the first "dev" after Jim.
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| 19:44 | bbiab
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| 21:00 | <sbalneav> back
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| 21:01 | * Gadi_eeepc waves to sbalneav | |
| 21:02 | <sbalneav> Gadi_eeepc: Hey hey
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| 21:02 | want come code?
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| 21:02 | <Gadi_eeepc> love some
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| 21:05 | * vagrantc ponders | |
| 21:06 | <Gadi_eeepc> vagrantc: whydont you ever get me code for Chanuka?
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| 21:07 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Gadi_eeepc's looking for some sexy sexy C code to send keyboard events to windows.
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| 21:07 | <vagrantc> Gadi_eeepc: i blame my haircut
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| 21:07 | <sbalneav> Just so happens I write sexy sexy C code :)
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