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Channel log from 7 May 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:07 | <maxwell__> hello all, simple question: how to mute very loud beep? I have rmmod pcspkr and set bell-style none. The beep comes from soundcard, not from speaker and is VERY loud even if the music is set to 10%
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| 06:09 | computer starts "beeping" randomly and restart of the client helps
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| 06:10 | beep sounds on every key press
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| 06:24 | * alkisg_debian is reading http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer ... So flash in debian needs a per-user configuration file in order to work with pulseaudio (and thus ltsp)? | |
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| 06:44 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg_debian, I kinda of doubt that, looking at that page
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| 06:45 | It looks like you could also put that configuration in the global alsa config
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| 06:45 | In fact, it's probably already there, since most distros that come with pulse, configure alsa to redirect to pulse, which is exactly what that asoundrc does
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| 06:50 | See /usr/share/alsa/pulse-alsa.conf on Ubuntu :)
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| 06:51 | <alkisg_debian> Hyperbyte: so you think it'd work out of the box on debian too, even if the wiki page says otherwise?
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| 06:54 | <Hyperbyte> Where does it say that?
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| 06:58 | <alkisg_debian> In the wiki page I linked above
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| 06:58 | "Remember that if you need the Flash Player to work with pulse, you can ask libasound to do so in your ~/.asoundrc:"
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| 06:58 | <Hyperbyte> Those are under Troubleshooting
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| 06:59 | <Hyperbyte> But maybe Debian doesn't use pulseaudio by default, or didn't use pulseaudio by default and that's an old page?
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| 07:00 | Have you checked if that configuration specified there is already present in your system?
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| 07:01 | <alkisg_debian> Not yet I'm currently trying to find a way to add "contrib" to my sources _graphically_ :P
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| 07:01 | (and failing to find it :D)
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| 07:09 | <scytheee> hi, after upgrading the edubuntu server of our primary school from 10.10 to 12.04LTS, some of the older clients (Pentium2 233MHz) don't boot anymore, they stuck at a kernel panic after loading initrd.img. Tried to install a lucid LTSP client image with --dist=lucid --arch=i386, but LTSP-Client install terminates through an error in ltsp-client-core :/
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| 07:11 | <alkisg_debian> What error?
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| 07:11 | <scytheee> | |
| 07:11 | Fehler traten auf beim Bearbeiten von:
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| 07:11 | /var/cache/apt/archives/ltsp-client-core_5.2.16-0ubuntu7_i386.deb
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| 07:11 | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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| 07:11 | Fehler: Die LTSP-Client-Installation ist fehlgeschlagen
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| 07:11 | sry, it's german
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| 07:12 | <alkisg_debian> scytheee: look for earlier errors
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| 07:12 | Near a line that mentions "installing ltsp-client-core..."
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| 07:13 | <scytheee> got it
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| 07:13 | Entpacken von ltsp-client-core (aus .../ltsp-client-core_5.2.16-0ubuntu7_i386.deb) ...
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| 07:13 | dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von /var/cache/apt/archives/ltsp-client-core_5.2.16-0ubuntu7_i386.deb (--unpack):
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| 07:13 | | |
| 07:14 | hm, doesn't tell more :/
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| 07:15 | same error happened on trying installing an oineric client, so it shouldn't be a problem of that single package
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| 07:15 | <alkisg_debian> Did you verify that this client can't be booted with any recent kernel, e.g. with a live cd?
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| 07:17 | <scytheee> alkisg_debian, the 8 Pentium2 machines only have 64 till 128mb ram, don't think they will boot a normal ubuntu cd. but hadn't tried
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| 07:17 | <alkisg_debian> scytheee: they'll boot the kernel, we don't care about later on
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| 07:17 | <scytheee> ok
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| 07:17 | <alkisg_debian> If you see plymouth (the ubuntu logo), that's good enough
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| 07:18 | scytheee: 64 RAM? 12.04 thin clients need 128
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| 07:18 | So if you can't upgrade the RAM to 128, do build a 10.04 chroot
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| 07:19 | <scytheee> some have 128 and got stuck too. they load initrd.img hung up and Caps Lock/Scroll Lock LEDs are blinking
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| 07:19 | <alkisg_debian> OK, that's probably the kernel problem, but if you also want to work with 64 RAM, then you absolutely need an older chroot, not just a 10.04 kernel
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| 07:20 | <scytheee> ok, understood. but trying to install 10.04 chroot didn't work as described :D
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| 07:21 | <alkisg_debian> You could do it in a VM, but first ensure that the kernel is the problem
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| 07:21 | So, 2 questions that you need to answer at this point: (1) do the clients boot with the 12.04 live cd or not? and (2) can you upgrade your ram to 128?
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| 07:22 | <scytheee> ok. will try it. if CPU is the problem, I need to install 10.04 in a VM, build 10.04 chroot and copy it to the 12.04 server?
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| 07:22 | <alkisg_debian> If you answer "no" to (1), then you don't need to answer (2) :D
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| 07:22 | <scytheee> :D
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| 07:22 | <alkisg_debian> Yes
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| 07:23 | <scytheee> thx :)
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| 07:23 | <mealstrom> hi everyone
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| 07:23 | <alkisg_debian> And if you answer no to (2), then you don't need to answer (1), as you'll need a 10.04 chroot anyway
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| 07:23 | Hi mealstrom
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| 07:24 | (or a debian one, if you want your chroot to be supported for a longer time)
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| 07:24 | scytheee: on second thought, _don't_ use a 10.04 chroot (if it comes to that), use a debian testing one
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| 07:25 | As that has a recent ltsp version so that you won't need to change the nbd-server configuration etc
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| 07:25 | <scytheee> alkisg_debian, what do I have to enter in --dist= for latest debian chroot?
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| 07:25 | <alkisg_debian> Use a VM again :)
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| 07:25 | <mealstrom> alkisg: i've managed to mount home directories with nfs4. i've to use empty /home/ directory on client machine and mount there exported homedir. this helps
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| 07:28 | <alkisg_debian> brb
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| 08:09 | <scytheee> alkisg, hi again :) the p2 machines have all 128mb ram. running an ubuntu 12.04 i386 cd lead to a hung up in a stack trace, same as booting through ltsp
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| 08:09 | <alkisg> scytheee: do you see the ubuntu logo before the crash?
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| 08:10 | <scytheee> can't say, the monitor sais "no signal" till the stack trace shows up and the keyboard LEDs are blinking
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| 08:10 | I also see no grub to influence this :D
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| 08:10 | <alkisg> How long from the moment the kernel is loaded and up to the crash?
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| 08:11 | <alkisg> a couple of seconds or e.g. 20 seconds?
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| 08:11 | <scytheee> nothing, from loading grub till stack trace
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| 08:11 | <alkisg> You can press [tab] in syslinux to remove "quiet splash"
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| 08:11 | No seconds?
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| 08:11 | So it's probably right after the kernel loads
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| 08:11 | <scytheee> nothing :/
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| 08:12 | <alkisg> OK, so you need a 486 chroot
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| 08:12 | I'd recommend debian testing for that
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| 08:12 | <scytheee> can I install that on the 12.04 server through "ltsp-build-client --dist=" ?
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| 08:13 | <alkisg> I think for that to work you'd need to troubleshoot some ltsp-build-client scripts, so if you're not a programmer, no
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| 08:13 | <scytheee> ok
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| 08:14 | <alkisg> Maybe you can use deboostrap and install ltsp-client/ldm manually in the chroot, but that might require fixing things afterwards too
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| 08:14 | So... a debian VM might be easier
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| 08:15 | If you don't mind waiting a few weeks, I plan on uploading a debian chroot on some web server, just for your people with your problem
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| 08:15 | (I'm supporting a few hundred schools here)
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| 08:17 | <scytheee> would be nice to get it fixed this week, cause some classes count on that :/ but would be nice to have a ready to use solution
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| 08:17 | <alkisg> Yeah maybe a "apt-get install ltsp-debian-testing-chroot" package
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| 08:21 | <Hyperbyte> scytheee, you could use your old chroot from 10.04 if you still have it in a backup somewhere
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| 08:21 | Or at least I think you can
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| 08:21 | alkisg will smythe me if I'm wrong.
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| 08:23 | <scytheee> Hyperbyte, thx, but I don't have it anymore :/
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| 08:24 | alkisg, I booted one of the old machines on an other monitor, now I could see something :D kernel booted, but after loading the initrd.img it hung up
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| 08:25 | <alkisg> scytheee: the kernel and initrd are loaded by syslinux. After loading them, it passes control to them. So the kernel gets to execute _after_ the initrd is loaded.
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| 08:26 | But if you press [tab] and remove quit splash, and see that the initramfs gets uncompressed by the kernel,
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| 08:26 | and _then_ it crashes,
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| 08:26 | then it might be something solveable
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| 08:26 | A photo might help, if you have a mobile with camera
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| 08:27 | <scytheee> did one, just uploading
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| 08:27 | http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n569/teleklack/IMG_20120507_102249.jpg
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| 08:28 | after that, the stack trace shows up
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| 08:30 | <alkisg> scytheee: can you press [tab] and replace quiet splash with break=top ?
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| 08:30 | <scytheee> ok
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| 08:30 | <alkisg> It seems like the kernel loads, which is a good sign
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| 08:34 | <scytheee> nothing new with break=top :/
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| 08:35 | <alkisg> So the initramfs doesn't start running
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| 08:35 | If you want, you might ask in #ubuntu-kernel about the problem
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| 08:35 | Otherwise, a debian chroot...
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| 08:35 | You might also try with the non-pae kernel
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| 08:36 | <scytheee> alkisg, how can I get it?
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| 08:36 | <alkisg> Ah no scratch that I think that you had the non-pae version already in your TFTP
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| 09:39 | <markit> hi, kubuntu 12.04, I've changed server IP address, but clients seem to work fine even if I've not run ltsp-update-sshkeys, is it normal?
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| 09:39 | I'm asking this because epoptes seem not to see my clients though :(
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| 09:49 | <vmlintu__> alkisg: when installing ltsp images on local hard drive, how do you mount them when the machine boots? Do you run local nbd-server or do you mount them through loop device or something else?
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| 09:56 | <markit> mmm seems that shows client only once logghed, AFAIR time ago ti showed client icon also when just powered up or something like that
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| 13:34 | <scytheee_> which folders do I have to transfer/copy, if I want to transfer/backup a chroot from an old ubuntu/edubuntu LTSP server to a new one? /opt/ltsp and /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp ?
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| 13:35 | <muppis> Both.
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| 13:37 | <muppis> Didn't read whole sentence at first time, but yes, those are which you need. :) But you can come up with some issues using old chroots in new system, so be aware you might need to rebuild them.
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| 13:38 | <scytheee_> muppis, thx :)
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| 14:39 | <Spriggan> Hi, can anyone tellme where i can fin documentation about ldap authentication with ltsp clients?
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| 14:42 | <dead_inside> it uses ssh
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| 14:42 | if ssh can auth the ltsp client can auth
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| 14:46 | <||cw> Spriggan: so, it's standard pam-ldap
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| 14:47 | on the main host, not from the chroot
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| 14:52 | <Spriggan> :( sorry , i don't get it. i installed ubuntu and ltsp, now i want 3 kind of profile, one will be for generic users, another will be for supervising and the other will be for administrators.
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| 14:54 | <Spriggan> and i all my users use the same password stored in my ldap
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| 14:54 | <||cw> Spriggan: the thin clients don't use any local auth (by default). they connect tot he ltsp server using ssh (by default) to establish the session. you just configure the ltsp server's PAM to auth to whatever you want.
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| 14:54 | <Spriggan> :o
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| 14:54 | thanx
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| 14:55 | i got your point
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| 14:57 | now , how can i do the personalization thing ?
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| 15:13 | <Spriggan> ||cw, can you please tell me how can i do in order to have a diferent desktop for a diferent user
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| 15:15 | <vagrantc> Spriggan: what do you mean by different desktop?
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| 15:15 | i.e. GNOME vs. KDE vs. LXDE ?
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| 15:15 | or something else?
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| 15:16 | they won't be able to share home directories, if that's what you mean.
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| 15:19 | <Spriggan> thanx vagrantc, what i want to do is be able to have 2 kind of desktop profile, one for a generic user another for admins
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| 15:19 | <vagrantc> how would you implement that on a non-LTSP environment?
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| 15:20 | <Spriggan> the generic user desktop only will have 2 icons, 1 the firefox icon and 2, the spark client icon
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| 15:20 | and no more
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| 15:21 | <vagrantc> there's nothing special about how to do this with LTSP ... do you have a way to do this in a non-LTSP environment? the same technique will apply.
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| 15:26 | <Spriggan> no , i don't habe another way ...
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| 15:26 | have *
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| 15:27 | i was hopping you will be able to help me :'(
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| 15:28 | <vagrantc> you just want different icons on the different profiles?
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| 15:30 | <vagrantc> are the homedirs automatically created at login?
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| 15:45 | <||cw> Spriggan: I think you do it via ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsession files, but that's going to depend on your distro and if you are using xorg or x11. with ubuntu, I think it will remember whatever your previous choice was at the login screen for each user. I've no idea if there's an easy way to force one
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| 15:46 | <vagrantc> well, ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsession will be used for default sessions- but that just selects what applications to run, doesn't necessarily affect the desktop icons.
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| 15:47 | also, ldm should respect ~/.dmrc if it's present, although how that actually works varies greatly.
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| 15:47 | (different display managers read ~/.dmrc differently, and many recent ones ignore it... wheee)
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| 16:02 | <Spriggan> thank you very much
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| 16:02 | now i have a path to follow
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| 16:03 | thank ||cw and vagrantc
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| 16:42 | <vagrantc> so, debian split out the long package descriptions in the apt repositories into a language-en version ... maybe ltsp-build-client should default to not including long descriptions...
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| 16:43 | saves around 19MB of installed disk space, some download time, at the cost of no long descriptions for packages in the chroot.
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| 16:43 | (of course, compressed squashfs images will only be slightly smaller, but it's a little bit less to compress)
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| 16:45 | <knipwim> speaking of languages
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| 16:45 | thinking of implementing localepurge in the gentoo thin client install
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| 16:46 | this removes all language files you don't use
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| 16:46 | http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/howto/localepurge
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| 16:48 | <vagrantc> oh yeah, debian should do that too.
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| 16:51 | <dberkholz> do it
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| 16:52 | <vagrantc> i think ubuntu handles locales in a way where it maybe doesn't matter.
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| 16:53 | although the description for the package in debian includes huge ugly warnings.
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| 17:57 | <scytheee> hi, after copying the chroot and /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp from edubuntu 11.04 to 12.04, I ran into the busybox on my thin client. what do I have to do that it starts the right way?
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| 18:00 | <scytheee> hi alkisg, found the problem why my pentium2 clients don't boot with 12.04. Some of them only have 64MB, so the ramdisk is to big. till Ubuntu/Edubuntu 11.04 it works with 64MB ram. but I can't get the old chroot from 11.04 running on 12.04.
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| 18:01 | <[GuS]> Guys, I am installing latest LTSP in gentoo, and fails when compiling the kernel: http://pastebin.com/DyBzAc1v
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| 18:06 | <alkisg> scytheee: if you remove plymouth from the initramfs, the 12.04 kernel will boot with 64 ram, but the clients will be too slow after they boot, so yeah an older chroot would be wise. But I don't have time for the next couple of days to help; too busy, bbl
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| 18:11 | <Hyperbyte> scytheee, you could always just install 11.04 somewhere, build a chroot and copy it over.
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| 18:11 | Or at least that should work. You won't have the newest LTSP on the 11.04 chroot, but I think it should still be compatible.
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| 18:12 | <scytheee> Hyperbyte, thats what I did, but the chroot from 11.04 running on 12.04 lead the thin client to land in busybox
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| 18:12 | <vagrantc> might even be able to build it on the same server, specifying --dist
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| 18:12 | that generally works on debian
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| 18:12 | oh, there are a few manual tweaks you'd have to do, since we actually made some more changes there.
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| 18:13 | <scytheee> vagrantc, tried that already, but didn't work, client building exited with an error on ltsp-client-core package
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| 18:13 | vagrantc, do you have a link for me? badly, I couldn't find any info about that till now :/
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| 18:14 | <vagrantc> right, you'd need to add an ltsp-build-client plugin that touches /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp_chroot
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| 18:18 | <||cw> the bigger problem than ram I've found with older pc's, especially p2 era, is graphics chipset. I've had 128MB with a TNT or geforce2 card do OK, but the intel onboard stuff of that era is just horrid, even for native installs
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| 18:19 | at least, for web browsing and rdp
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| 18:19 | and forget about flash
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| 18:21 | <scytheee> ||cw the clients with p2 and 64/128mb ran ok with 10.10. they are at a primary school, just for some textworks, simple learning apps and some basic webbrowsing. no flash/java etc. needed
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| 18:25 | <scytheee> vagrantc, do you have a link where I can read about what tweaks I have to do?
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| 18:26 | <vagrantc> scytheee: no
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| 18:26 | scytheee: that might be the only one, though
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| 18:29 | <vagrantc> scytheee: download ltsp-server from oneiric, an extract it somewhere (dpkg -x *.deb), and copy the /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/common/010-chroot-tagging into /etc/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/
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| 18:29 | other issues may come up as needed.
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| 18:31 | <scytheee> vagrantc, will try, thx
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| 18:32 | <vagrantc> http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/ltsp-server
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| 18:36 | <scytheee> vagrantc is /etc/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/ right? cause it doesn't exist. after that, what should I do?
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| 18:38 | <knipwim> scytheee: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/view/2146/server/plugins/ltsp-build-client/common/010-chroot-tagging
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| 18:38 | that's the file you need, put it in the dir vagrantc said
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| 18:40 | <scytheee> done, what to do now? build new client with --dist=... ?
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| 18:49 | <knipwim> i would say so, but i'm not a debian use
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| 18:49 | r
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| 19:18 | <[GuS]> Guys, I am installing latest LTSP in gentoo, and fails when compiling the kernel: http://pastebin.com/DyBzAc1v
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| 19:57 | <alkisg> scytheee: you need to update your nbd-server configuration to use the old style, port-based exports on port 2000 instead of the new style, name-based exports in port 10809
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| 19:58 | That's why I suggested a debian testing chroot instead of an older ubuntu one, and of course for more years of support
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| 20:00 | <vagrantc> debian testing? that could break at any moment :)
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| 20:02 | <ogra_> just because you dont test hard enough :P
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| 20:02 | <vagrantc> hah
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| 20:02 | <Lns> debian testing rarely breaks, even on my main workstation =) of course the disclaimer is there for good reason
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| 20:05 | course gnome3 in testing does have its quirks
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| 20:05 | (via ltsp anyway)
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| 20:06 | <vagrantc> gnome3 has it's quirks.
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| 20:07 | <Lns> +1
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| 20:12 | <alkisg> vagrantc: does debian stable support name-based exports?
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| 20:19 | <vagrantc> alkisg: nope.
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| 20:23 | * alkisg still believes debian testing would be the wiser choice then ;) | |
| 20:26 | <scytheee> alkisg, the client can't connect to nbd-server on port 2000, I set oldstyle = true in /etc/nbd-server/config and port = 2000 in /etc/nbd-server/config/conf.d/ltsp_i386.conf, then restarted the nbd server
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| 20:29 | <vagrantc> alkisg: why doesn't ubuntu 12.04 work? unsupported hardware?
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| 20:29 | <alkisg> vagrantc: the initramfs with plymouth etc is too big and can't be uncompressed in 64mb ram
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| 20:30 | <vagrantc> ah. why not just disable plymouth?
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| 20:30 | <alkisg> scytheee: you also need to modify /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 20:30 | vagrantc: it'll boot but it'll be too slow
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| 20:30 | If scytheee disables everything, localapps, localdevices etc, users might even be able to login :P but then openning firefox etc will use local X ram and will be too wlo
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| 20:30 | slow
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| 20:31 | Unfortunately 12.04 requires 128 ram
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| 20:31 | <vagrantc> but debian works fine?
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| 20:31 | <alkisg> Not sure... I proposed debian when we thought the problem was an uncompatible kernel
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| 20:31 | (at that point we also thought all clients had >=128 ram :D)
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| 20:32 | scytheee: or you can just get more ram, maybe that's the way to go ;)
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| 20:32 | <scytheee> :D jepp, with debian testing and 64mb ram I got a kernel panic too
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| 20:32 | <alkisg> Really? I had debian booting locally with 48 ram...
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| 20:33 | <vagrantc> what was the error message?
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| 20:33 | <scytheee> stack trace after loading the initrd.img
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| 20:34 | <vagrantc> do you have any with more ram to test?
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| 20:34 | <scytheee> vagrantc, yes, with >=128mb no problems
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| 20:35 | <vagrantc> that's too bad.
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| 20:35 | although realistically, less than 128M was kind of questionable already ...
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| 20:36 | <alkisg> Actually 12.04 required 256 ram before I cut half of the services from RM_SYSTEM_SERVICES list :P
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| 20:37 | <scytheee> vagrantc, in the next months these old machines get hopefully replaced, but till then ...
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| 20:37 | <vagrantc> looks like i've been testing with 256M+ for the last several debian ltsp uploads
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| 20:37 | <scytheee> I still have some machines with dualcore, but 8 old ones are still there
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| 20:38 | <alkisg> And you can't split the ram? No clients have 256 or more?
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| 20:38 | <scytheee> no :/
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| 20:38 | <vagrantc> probably need to set up an older release alongside the newer LTSP release, then.
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| 20:39 | and set the old ones to boot to the older setup.
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| 20:39 | <scytheee> vagrantc, yes, that would be good
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| 20:39 | <vagrantc> they're 686-class machines?
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| 20:40 | <scytheee> yes
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| 20:41 | <alkisg> Why not a 10.04 chroot on a 12.04 server?
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| 20:41 | <scytheee> alkisg, that's what I'm trying at the moment :D
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| 20:41 | <vagrantc> if they don't have pae, you can probably use this: http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php/Ifcpu64.c32
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| 20:41 | rather than hard-coding them from dhcp
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| 20:42 | or http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php/Ifcpu.c32
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| 20:42 | if they are missing some cpu flags that others don't have
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| 20:42 | <scytheee> hm, netstat says the nbd-server is not listening on port 2000
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| 20:43 | vagrantc I think the only problem is the ram, cpu flags should be ok (I hope)
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| 20:43 | <vagrantc> scytheee: yes, but you could choose which environment to boot based on processor type
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| 20:43 | <scytheee> ah ok
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| 20:44 | <vagrantc> but the default ones may not be fine-grained enough for what you need.
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| 21:13 | <alkisg> vagrantc: would you have time on the next couple of days to review/help with the ltsp-server-dnsmasq packaging?
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| 21:15 | <vagrantc> alkisg: today, maybe friday
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| 21:15 | alkisg: and a little bit here and there, but not much
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| 21:17 | <alkisg> Today is too soon, I'll prepare something tomorrow or the day after that, and if you don't have time to review it sooner, friday it is, thanks! :)
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| 21:17 | <vagrantc> highvoltage: will you be able to make it to debconf this year?
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| 21:18 | <vagrantc> highvoltage: your help with ensuring the debian artwork for LDM would be great :)
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| 21:18 | alkisg: since debconf is so much farther away this year, think you can make it? :)
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| 21:19 | <alkisg> vagrantc: ...any parts sponsored? :D
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| 21:20 | * alkisg would love to see Nicaragua | |
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| 21:21 | <alkisg> vagrantc: are you attending?
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| 21:21 | <vagrantc> oh yes!
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| 21:23 | alkisg: your contributions to LTSP and epoptes would definitely give you some credit :)
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| 21:23 | * vagrantc schemes to get alkisg in deep | |
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| 21:27 | <markit> hi ppl, hi alkisg :) I had a lot of troubles installing 12.04 these days, my previous tests were not wide enough
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| 21:27 | * alkisg was already planning to dive deep, so any help welcome :D | |
| 21:27 | <alkisg> Hi markit
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| 21:27 | <markit> alkisg: is something different in epoptes?
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| 21:27 | does not show my clients until they are logghed
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| 21:27 | <alkisg> No, we haven't touched it since the last 12.04/debian testing upload
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| 21:27 | <markit> as far as I remember, I had the thumbail of clients not yet logged
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| 21:27 | or do I remember wrong?
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| 21:28 | <alkisg> markit: that probably means that the chroot doesn't have the correct certificate
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| 21:28 | <markit> maybe because I changed the server IP?
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| 21:28 | <alkisg> No, the IP doesn't matter
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| 21:28 | <markit> I've seen a patch that uses "server" instead of IP to avoid this problem
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| 21:28 | ok
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| 21:28 | is a THIN client solution
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| 21:28 | I've no epoptes client in chroot... am I wrong?
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| 21:29 | <alkisg> markit: read the installation page, www.epoptes.org/installation
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| 21:29 | It has a section about installing epoptes-client in chroots
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| 21:29 | Yup you need it in thin chroots too
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| 21:29 | Otherwise you get what you saw, i.e. you can only control them after login
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| 21:30 | <markit> alkisg: ok, my bad, probably I made confusion with my scripts
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| 21:30 | was installed but I "improved" it for this installation since some software that was "fat only" went in thin chroot too
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| 21:30 | and probably I moved epoptes-client too
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| 21:31 | last question: ltsp-update-sshkeys no necessary if I change server IP (same subnet)?
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| 21:31 | seem that is working...
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| 21:31 | <alkisg> It's necessary, it won't be in the future
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| 21:31 | <markit> mmm I changed from 192.168.1.10 to 192.168.1.185
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| 21:31 | <alkisg> It might be working if you have LDM_SSHOPTIONS in lts.conf
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| 21:31 | With no checking there
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| 21:32 | <markit> no, I've not
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| 21:32 | * markit scratches his head | |
| 21:32 | <markit> btw, bonding config has changed in 12.04
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| 21:32 | I had 2 interface with no traffic
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| 21:32 | for apparent no reason... bad hours I spent :(
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| 21:33 | also resolvconf had forced me to set things different... was lucky to find, at the end, a good post about the issue
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| 21:33 | as soon as I've time I will update the wiki (for bonding)
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| 21:34 | alkisg: back to polite questions: how are you? everything ok? not seen you on irc since some days
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| 21:34 | (you missed me so much ;P)
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| 21:34 | <alkisg> busy busy, will have more time in a week or so
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| 21:34 | <markit> :)
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| 21:35 | thanks a lot for your help and ltsp dev, wife is calling, I've to go to sleep asap
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| 21:35 | <alkisg> bb
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| 21:35 | <markit> s/asap/in a snap
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