IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 24 July 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:47 | <qwebirc12084> hi, curious if there is a way to disable the ltsp or tftp service running on ubuntu to prevent PXE clients from autobooting ltsp?
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| 04:07 | <Aarat> need help on ltsp setup
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| 04:07 | i am seeing blank screen when client connects and logins
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| 04:07 | i can see blank desktop specially which allows to open context menu
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| 04:08 | change desktop background
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| 04:08 | but the screen remains blank
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| 04:10 | PS: I am using ubuntu
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| 04:11 | is anyone there?
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| 04:45 | <alkisg> Aarat: unity 3d doesn't work on thin clients, try selecting unity2d from the ldm preferences button
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| 04:46 | <Aarat> I am using 10.04
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| 04:46 | I am not sure if unity still comes in 10.04
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| 04:46 | <alkisg> No
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| 04:46 | So it's something else, let me think...
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| 04:47 | Can you create a desktop launcher for xterm?
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| 04:47 | <Aarat> i am not sure how do i do that?
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| 04:47 | <Aarat> i am seeing blank desktop
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| 04:47 | <alkisg> Right click on the desktop, select "create launcher" or something
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| 04:47 | <Aarat> anyes
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| 04:47 | yes.. i am seeing create launcher
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| 04:48 | and it allows us to create launcher
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| 04:48 | <alkisg> Create one for xterm, so that you can then launch xterm and try to see what goes wrong
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| 04:48 | <alkisg> On that xterm, first try: gnome-panel
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| 04:48 | <Aarat> Okay
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| 04:49 | give me two minutes.. i am in front of client
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| 04:49 | <alkisg> ok
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| 04:49 | <Aarat> it says can not register panel
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| 04:49 | its already running
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| 04:50 | <alkisg> gnome-panel -replace
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| 04:50 | (or --replace, not sure)
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| 04:51 | <Aarat> adding replace
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| 04:51 | stucks on blank cursor
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| 04:51 | and i am not seeing panel yet
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| 04:51 | just a quick question.. do you mind taking remote connection to client?
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| 04:52 | i can download teamviewer or something
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| 04:52 | <alkisg> Btw make sure (by moving the mouse) that you can see all of the screen and that the problem isn't just screen adjusting (too high, gets cut by monitor adjustments etc)
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| 04:52 | Aarat: ok, no need for that, do:
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| 04:52 | <Aarat> Okay
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| 04:52 | <alkisg> sudo apt-get install x11vnc
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| 04:52 | <Aarat> Okay
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| 04:52 | <alkisg> x11vnc -noshm -connect alkisg.dyndns.org
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| 04:53 | <Aarat> Okay
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| 04:54 | <alkisg> (open another xterm if you have to)
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| 04:54 | <Aarat> yeh.. thats what i did
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| 04:54 | downlading on second xterm
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| 04:56 | it says xopen display failed
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| 04:56 | <alkisg> Hm... that doesn't sound good
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| 04:56 | sudo apt-get --yes install socat screen
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| 04:56 | socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:alkisg.dyndns.org:25547 & screen -l -S ra
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| 04:57 | <Aarat> hey
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| 04:57 | it says reverse connect
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| 04:57 | failed
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| 04:58 | when i tried it once more
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| 04:58 | <alkisg> Sure, if it can't access the display, then it won't reverse connect
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| 04:58 | Try the socat commands above, which don't use X
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| 04:58 | <Aarat> Okay
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| 05:02 | <Aarat> connection refused
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| 05:02 | <alkisg> no it's ok
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| 05:02 | I got access, don't you see the output of `w` ?
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| 05:03 | <Aarat> yes
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| 05:03 | i want to see
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| 05:03 | but not sure how can i ?
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| 05:04 | sorry
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| 05:12 | wow
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| 05:13 | <alkisg> Aarat: so it's a problem with gnome-panel crashing on your two monitors, or appearing in the second one
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| 05:13 | <Aarat> Okay
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| 05:13 | I got it..
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| 05:14 | <alkisg> You can disable the second one with XRANDR_* lts.conf commands
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| 05:14 | <Aarat> Okay
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| 05:14 | <Aarat> now the joke here is.. the server and client uses same monitor
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| 05:14 | but on different interfaces
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| 05:14 | that is the issue i believe
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| 05:14 | thanks man !!
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| 05:15 | <alkisg> No...
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| 05:15 | The client detects a second monitor port
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| 05:15 | <Aarat> OKay..
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| 05:15 | <alkisg> xrandr would tell you its name
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| 05:15 | So that you can put it in lts.conf to disable it
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| 05:15 | <Aarat> Okay
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| 05:15 | how do i disable that?
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| 05:16 | <alkisg> Run again: x11vnc -noshm -connect alkisg.dyndns.org
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| 05:16 | (previously you mistyped alksig instead of alkisg)
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| 05:18 | (vnc got too slow... wait a bit...)
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| 05:18 | <Aarat> Okay
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| 05:18 | <alkisg> It crashed, run it again
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| 05:19 | Or paste the output of `xrandr` in pastebin
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| 05:19 | <Aarat> done
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| 05:19 | its running on hdmi
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| 05:20 | <alkisg> Aarat: do you have anything connected on the client VGA output?
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| 05:20 | <Aarat> no..
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| 05:20 | its vga on server
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| 05:20 | <Aarat> client has hdmi
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| 05:25 | <alkisg> Aarat: having keyboard layout problems, will write the commands here:
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| 05:25 | <Aarat> alkisg : i am here
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| 05:25 | Okay
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| 05:25 | no issues
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| 05:25 | <alkisg> I think this will suffice: XRANDR_OUTPUT_0="VGA --off"
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| 05:26 | Also put some quotes on the second line
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| 05:26 | empty="sections are not allowed"
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| 05:26 | Then save, reboot client
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| 05:26 | <Aarat> yes.. done.. do i need to keep default tag on ?
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| 05:26 | [default] i mean
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| 05:26 | <alkisg> No, you can complete delete that section if you don't need it
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| 05:27 | or you can keep it in case you need it in the future
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| 05:27 | <Aarat> Okay dont..
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| 05:27 | <alkisg> E.g. you might want to put LDM_DIRECTX=True for all clients
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| 05:27 | <Aarat> done*
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| 05:27 | rebooting
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| 05:27 | Okay
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| 05:28 | ah.. again same issue.. blank desktop
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| 05:28 | <alkisg> open xterm, run: xrandr --output VGA --off
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| 05:28 | Does that fix it?
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| 05:29 | <Aarat> VGA not found
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| 05:29 | <alkisg> Run xrandr, does it say VGA or VGA1?
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| 05:29 | <Aarat> VGA1
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| 05:29 | <alkisg> OK, change lts.conf, reboot
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| 05:29 | <Aarat> VGA1 helped
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| 05:30 | same issue after adding vga1 to lts.conf
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| 05:31 | <alkisg> Gimme 2 mins to check the syntax...
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| 05:31 | <Aarat> Okay thanks
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| 05:32 | <alkisg> You put VGA1 in caps, not vga1, right?
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| 05:32 | XRANDR_OUTPUT_0="VGA1 --off"
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| 05:32 | <Aarat> yes
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| 05:33 | VGA1 is in caps
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| 05:33 | <alkisg> OK, run: ltsp-localapps xterm
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| 05:33 | An xterm will open, there, run: getltscfg -a
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| 05:33 | What's its output?
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| 05:33 | Or, run again: x11vnc -noshm -connect alkisg.dyndns.org
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| 05:33 | <Aarat> it says getltscfg is not isntalled
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| 05:34 | <alkisg> (in the first xterm, not the local one)
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| 05:35 | Aarat: did you reboot or just logged off?
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| 05:35 | <Aarat> restart
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| 05:35 | <alkisg> When you select restart, it logs off
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| 05:35 | <Aarat> from top left corner
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| 05:35 | Okay
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| 05:35 | <alkisg> Then you need to restart from ldm
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| 05:36 | <Aarat> okay
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| 05:36 | <alkisg> Preferences => restart etc
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| 05:36 | <Aarat> got it
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| 05:36 | let me do it
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| 05:36 | give me 2 mins
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| 05:36 | <alkisg> ok
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| 05:38 | <Aarat> ah.. reboot fixed
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| 05:38 | its all set now
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| 05:39 | <alkisg> Nice
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| 05:39 | <Aarat> but the power button comes in middle of the screen
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| 05:39 | <alkisg> Power button?
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| 05:40 | <Aarat> the power button with logout and restart options
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| 05:40 | which comes on menu bar
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| 05:41 | it comes in middle of the menubar
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| 05:43 | <alkisg> Ah, just reset your panel settings:
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| 05:43 | gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall gnome-panel
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| 05:43 | <Aarat> Okay got it..
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| 05:43 | thanks myt ... you are life saver
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| 05:43 | was struggling since last 1 week
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| 05:43 | to get it fixed
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| 05:44 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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| 05:44 | <Aarat> can you suggest me good session manager for ltsp ??
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| 05:44 | from which i can monitor the sessions
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| 05:45 | <alkisg> !epoptes
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| 05:45 | <ltsp> alkisg: epoptes: Epoptes is a computer lab administration and monitoring tool. It works on Ubuntu and Debian based labs with LTSP or non-LTSP servers, thin and fat clients, standalone workstations, NX clients etc. More info: http://www.epoptes.org
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| 05:45 | <Aarat> wow
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| 05:45 | thanks
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| 05:45 | awesome..
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| 05:46 | thanks alkisg buddy !! you rock !!
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| 05:55 | <Aarat> alkisg : are you available all the time on irc ??
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| 05:55 | <alkisg> No
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| 05:55 | But I'm online frequently
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| 05:55 | <Aarat> Okay
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| 05:56 | just a quick question.. how can we use socket groups ??
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| 05:56 | do i need the thinclient for administration too?
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| 05:57 | this is for epoptes
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| 05:57 | <alkisg> Just put your admin user in the epoptes group
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| 05:57 | As the installation wiki says
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| 05:58 | You don't need to put the thin client user in the epoptes group
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| 05:58 | <Aarat> Okay got it..
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| 06:43 | <mealstrom> good morning
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| 06:44 | <knipwim> mogge
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| 06:44 | <mealstrom> :) what is right way to add network printer to all thin clients users on ubuntu?
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| 06:44 | knipwim: morning isnt good?
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| 06:45 | about my question: add network printer to host machine and share it ?
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| 06:45 | <knipwim> no, it is a good morning, sun shining and all :)
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| 06:47 | about the printer, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkPrintingWithUbuntu ?
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| 06:49 | <mealstrom> knipwim: maybe something like that. this printer has horrible drivers, so i think i ll just try to set it up on host machine
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| 06:52 | done :)
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| 06:52 | is there any guide to install wine on ltsp server ?
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| 06:53 | <muppis> In server or in client?
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| 06:53 | <mealstrom> dont answer
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| 06:53 | on server
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| 06:53 | or i should install wine on clients?
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| 06:54 | <muppis> Depends what you need to do with that.
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| 06:55 | On server it's just regular as usual installation, but on client you may need to do some hack.
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| 06:55 | <mealstrom> i need to run 2 programs: vncviewer-like program, and dude (microtic monitoring program)
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| 06:56 | this programs are using users on thin-clients
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| 06:56 | <muppis> First one can be more effective when runned at client.
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| 06:57 | You mean MikroTik?
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| 06:57 | <mealstrom> second one im pluning to run inside vm. so ill install on clients wine.
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| 06:57 | yeap.
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| 06:58 | <muppis> I recommend on client for both.
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| 06:59 | <mealstrom> muppis: tnx
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| 07:39 | <mealstrom> does anybody solved this issue: ive got usb headset (plantronics) and usb mouse. After some event(pressing mute on headset) or time mouse just hangups on click -- you can move it but cant click. using modprobe -r usbhid solves this sometimes. but i dont know if im doing right
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| 08:13 | <alkisg> knipwim: hi, is it time to update the "LTSP Docs" link in the topic to point to ltspedia?
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| 08:13 | <stk_> hello sirs
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| 08:13 | <alkisg> Hello
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| 08:13 | <stk_> I'm finding for some advise on performance of an LTSP system
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| 08:13 | For example,
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| 08:14 | For a given server, can we perform some benchmark to calculate the estimate concurrent users (images) that the server can handle?
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| 08:15 | <alkisg> Images? One image can handle multiple users...
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| 08:15 | <stk_> my bad use of word
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| 08:15 | I mean each user connect to a diskless PC, booting via PXE to the server
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| 08:15 | <alkisg> As it depends on your client use, only real time statistics can tell you accurately how many users your server can support
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| 08:15 | <stk_> Right now
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| 08:16 | <alkisg> Check free memory, cpu usage etc
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| 08:16 | <stk_> We are using a Core i7 2600K
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| 08:16 | <alkisg> There are generic linux monitoring programs for that
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| 08:16 | <stk_> 16GB RAM and gigabit LAN for 15 concurrent usets
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| 08:16 | 16GB RAM and gigabit LAN for 15 concurrent users
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| 08:16 | <alkisg> E.g. `top` can tell you about mem and cpu, munin can provide charts for long periods of time, iftop can tell you about network usage, etc
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| 08:17 | Also, it depends on your configuration, e.g.
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| 08:17 | !directx
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| 08:17 | <ltsp> alkisg: directx: If you want to turn off encryption to the workstation, which will speed up performance at the cost of security, you need to specify LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file. Type !docs in IRC to get a link to the current documentation
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| 08:17 | <stk_> there is no security
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| 08:17 | sorry, there is no encryption layers
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| 08:17 | and I know about generic becnhmarking tool of *nix systems
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| 08:17 | <alkisg> By default, encryption is ON
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| 08:18 | <stk_> However, when there are around 8 users connect to the server
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| 08:18 | <alkisg> Did you disable it?
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| 08:18 | <stk_> on the PC they suffer a very bad performance
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| 08:18 | alkisg: I'm pretty sure my employee did, but I need to check again
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| 08:18 | knipwim changes topic to " LTSP Wiki Beta released at http://server.ltsp.org/wiki. Check out Ubuntu, Debian and Gentoo for awesome LTSP-5 integration. Opensuse" | |
| 08:18 | <knipwim> err
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| 08:19 | <stk_> on the server, with 8 users concurrent, RAM used is only 600MB
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| 08:19 | knipwim changes topic to "LTSP Wiki Beta released at http://server.ltsp.org/wiki. Check out Ubuntu, Debian and Gentoo for awesome LTSP-5 integration. Opensuse has kiwi-ltsp and Fedora has k12linux. IRC logs at: http://irclogs.ltsp.org." | |
| 08:19 | <stk_> load average is 8 (I don;t think too bad for an 9 thread CPU_
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| 08:19 | )
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| 08:19 | and CPU usag is near to zero
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| 08:20 | <alkisg> knipwim: better, ty :)
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| 08:20 | <knipwim> np, we'll change it again after the big release
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| 08:20 | <alkisg> load average = 8 probably suggests that encryption is still on
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| 08:20 | Finally, if your clients are good enough, you could make use of some localapps or switch them to LTSP fat clients:
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| 08:20 | <stk_> Hmm, I need to check with that then.
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| 08:20 | <alkisg> !fatclients
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| 08:20 | <ltsp> alkisg: fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 08:21 | <alkisg> Fat clients don't need almost any CPU/RAM, just some network bandwidth
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| 08:21 | *server CPU/RAM
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| 08:21 | <stk_> ok
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| 08:22 | <stk_> !localapps
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| 08:22 | <ltsp> stk_: localapps: to access a tutorial on setting up localapps on jaunty, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPLocalAppsJaunty
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| 08:23 | <stk_> I'm checking, thanks for your information alkisg
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| 08:23 | one last question
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| 08:23 | related to Skype (geez...)
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| 08:23 | on the client, if we login as root, we can login to Skype
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| 08:24 | but if we login to any normal user, Skype login will show message "login failed"
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| 08:24 | running binary from terminal return on error
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| 08:24 | no error*
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| 08:24 | <alkisg> distro/version?
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| 08:24 | <stk_> Ubuntu 12.04
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| 08:24 | <alkisg> You shouldn't be able to login as root on the thin clients, unless you enabled root ssh login on your server, and provided a root password
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| 08:25 | So something is wrong there
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| 08:25 | <stk_> alkisg: I know about standard security poclicy
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| 08:25 | the system is still in test stage
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| 08:25 | <alkisg> So, how is it that you can login as root?
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| 08:26 | <stk_> I enable root login via ssh, and enable password
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| 08:26 | <alkisg> OK
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| 08:26 | <stk_> and use that creds to login to gdm on clients
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| 08:26 | <alkisg> Ermm LTSP doesn't use GDM
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| 08:26 | It uses LDM, the LTSP login manager
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| 08:26 | <stk_> oh
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| 08:27 | Sorry, I haven't used X for a while :P
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| 08:27 | <alkisg> Also, Ubuntu 12.04 doesn't use GDM either, it switched to LightDM, but not for LTSP, which still uses LDM
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| 08:27 | <stk_> oh
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| 08:27 | <alkisg> Is skype running as a localapp? Or does it run normally, i.e. on the server?
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| 08:28 | <stk_> there is no X on the server so we can't really test it there
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| 08:28 | <alkisg> When you login on a thin client, the session runs on the server
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| 08:28 | So it's mandatory that the server has X, otherwise you can't use LTSP
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| 08:28 | It can be headless, but it still needs X installed
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| 08:29 | <stk_> hmm, OK, seems like I missed many thing/information on this system.
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| 08:29 | <alkisg> I'm asking all those questions because I fear that there's something wrong on your setup
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| 08:29 | <stk_> Right
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| 08:29 | I'm just the one reviewing the system actually.
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| 08:29 | <alkisg> So, it's possible that skype will have problems accessing the thin client hardware, but it shouldn't have login problems, unless there's something wrong with your server configuration
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| 08:29 | <stk_> Thanks for your time, I'll do some checks to see what's going on
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| 08:30 | I see.
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| 08:30 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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| 08:30 | ltsp-info provides some information
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| 08:30 | lts.conf is the most significant part of it
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| 08:31 | It will tell you if the person that installed the system used localapps or not, etc
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| 08:40 | <mealstrom> does anybody solved this issue: ive got usb headset (plantronics) and usb mouse. After some event(pressing mute on headset) or time mouse just hangups on click -- you can move it but cant click. using modprobe -r usbhid solves this sometimes. but i dont know if im doing right. any idea how to fix or solve this?
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| 11:13 | <alkisg> mealstrom: does this happen without LTSP as well?
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| 19:59 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 20:00 | * highvoltage waves back! | |
| 20:01 | * muppis hides | |
| 20:01 | * Lns observes | |
| 20:01 | <vagrantc> highvoltage: ldm/ldm-themes should hit wheezy in the next day or two
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| 20:02 | <highvoltage> vagrantc: nice
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| 20:05 | * vagrantc should test it tonight to make sure things are working ok | |
| 20:06 | <vagrantc> haven't really had a working computer for a few days, or frequent internet access
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| 20:06 | for the last week
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| 21:39 | <gmackerz> how do I check if my nbdswap is working??
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| 21:40 | <||cw> cat /proc/swaps
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| 21:41 | <gmackerz> Filename Type Size Used Priority
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| 21:41 | /dev/dm-0 partition 11851772 0 -1
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| 21:41 | is it working??
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| 21:41 | sorry completely new at this
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| 21:49 | <||cw> depends on what's behind dm-0, yes
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| 21:49 | dmsetup ls
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| 21:57 | <gmackerz> am I suppose to do the first command on the ltsp server or the client??
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| 21:58 | <||cw> both on the client
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| 21:58 | it's for client swap
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| 22:08 | <gmackerz> on the client side, it only states the headings
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| 22:09 | filename type size used priority
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| 22:09 | and nothing under it, does that mean that nbdswap is not working for the client?
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| 22:10 | I followed all the instructions on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/EnableNBDSWAP
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