IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 22 May 2014 (all times are UTC)
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| 14:19 | <santos> question
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| 14:20 | is there a way to prompt a user to change his password
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| 14:20 | after its creation
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| 14:22 | <santos> like you insert all students and then let then write ther own password
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| 14:22 | <gvy> santos, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=is+there+a+way+to+prompt+a+linux+user+to+change+his+password
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| 14:23 | * gvy . o O ( cyberciti is relevant as usual ) | |
| 14:23 | <santos> heheheheehehehehe so funny hehehehehehehehehehehe
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| 14:23 | heheheheheheehehehe
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| 14:23 | thanks man
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| 14:23 | <gvy> welcome man :-)
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| 14:36 | <Kanito> Hi
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| 14:36 | I have installed an LTSP 5 over Centos 6.5
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| 14:37 | (I have installed a lot of LTSP 4.2, but is my first LTSP 5)
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| 14:37 | It have an wear behavior with mouse
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| 14:38 | screen seems to be 3 or 4 inches at left of where it appears
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| 14:38 | when I put the mouse pinter 3 or 4 inches to the left, it works
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| 14:39 | and mouse want not to go to the top right of the screen
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| 14:39 | it stops 2 or 3 inches from the right margin
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| 14:39 | when I log in the session it works fine
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| 14:39 | but if I log in a Windows 2008R2 via xfreerdp... it happens again
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| 14:41 | I dont know how to google it!!!, How you can name this strange behavior? mouse out of sync?
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| 15:10 | <gbaman> hey vagrantc, been trying to get Raspi-LTSP working on Ubuntu (14.04)
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| 15:11 | was all going well http://pastebin.com/u5g24Kjn
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| 15:11 | till boom chroot: failed to run command ‘locale-gen’: No such file or directory
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| 15:11 | <vagrantc> until one day...
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| 15:12 | locale-gen should be run inside the chroot ...
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| 15:12 | <gbaman> root@andrew-14:/# locale-gen
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| 15:12 | bash: locale-gen: command not found
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| 15:12 | this is inside chroot btw
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| 15:13 | <gbaman> the issue only occurs when building on Ubuntu
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| 15:13 | <santos> whats the latest ltsp version for ubuntu?
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| 15:13 | <vagrantc> you might need to specify VENDOR=Debian
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| 15:13 | on the commandline
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| 15:14 | i.e. VENDOR=Debian ltsp-build-client ...
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| 15:14 | <gbaman> am using PPA version
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| 15:14 | <vagrantc> doesn't matter
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| 15:14 | <gbaman> was answering your initial question
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| 15:14 | shouldnt LTSP set that?
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| 15:14 | seeing as I am setting DIST to Wheezy?
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| 15:15 | <vagrantc> it can't, the logic for what to do is inside the vendor code
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| 15:15 | <gbaman> ok, will try with that
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| 15:15 | <vagrantc> so it's running the codepath for ubuntu...
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| 15:18 | <gbaman> having VENDOR=Debian in front of the code shouldn't break anything when actually run on Debian right?
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| 15:23 | <vagrantc> no, should be fine
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| 15:24 | you might have issues if run on Fedora or something
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| 15:24 | debian and ubuntu are fairly compatible, but other distros may be a bit too far off to expect it to work
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| 15:24 | <gbaman> I am not supported Fedora!
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| 15:24 | Sticking with Debian and Ubuntu..
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| 15:28 | ahha! I: Configuring locales...
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| 15:28 | and it crashed
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| 15:28 | was going so well...
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| 15:28 | 404 on the Raspbian repo??
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| 15:29 | wasnt expecting that
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| 15:29 | http://pastebin.com/Xm8EmLHh
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| 15:32 | so it is expecting wheezy-updates
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| 15:32 | which does not exist
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| 15:33 | <vagrantc> you'll want --updates-mirror none ... if i remember correctly
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| 15:35 | gbaman: another idea would be to ship a pre-built raspbian image
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| 15:35 | <gbaman> why is that not thrown up with Debian though?
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| 15:35 | <vagrantc> gbaman: then you could just drop it on whatever server they wanted
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| 15:35 | gbaman: that is an interesting question...
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| 15:36 | <gbaman> It isnt really that complicated once they are running my software
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| 15:36 | but is getting to that stage is the current complicated bit
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| 15:36 | <vagrantc> the code probably chose not to use an updates-mirror?
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| 15:36 | <gbaman> I want them to build the OS, don't want to be maintaining one
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| 15:36 | <vagrantc> sure, just figured i'd suggest another option
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| 15:37 | <gbaman> so UPDATE_MIRROR=none in the config file?
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| 15:37 | <santos> hello I just did a clean install in edubuntu 12.04 of ltsp
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| 15:37 | <vagrantc> you gonna make me look at the code? :P
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| 15:37 | <santos> keep getting version 3.2
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| 15:37 | ?
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| 15:37 | <vagrantc> santos: what do you mean by version 3.2 ?
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| 15:38 | <santos> I think I made the wrong question
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| 15:38 | <gbaman> anything stand out to you wrong with this vagrantc? http://pastebin.com/iTF8paRL
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| 15:38 | <vagrantc> gbaman: oh, probably on debian wheezy it didn't yet support the updates-mirror code ... i might have introduced that in newer LTSP versions
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| 15:38 | <santos> please how do I check what ltsp version aam running?
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| 15:38 | <vagrantc> santos: ltsp-info
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| 15:38 | !pastebin | echo santos
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| 15:38 | <ltsp> santos pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 15:39 | <vagrantc> santos: be sure to use a pastebin.
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| 15:39 | <santos> got it
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| 15:40 | <gbaman> building again, 3rd time lucky?
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| 15:50 | <santos> is there a way to force user to change password
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| 15:50 | ?
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| 15:51 | if I use chage user is denied in ltsp
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| 15:51 | <gbaman> with LDM, not that I know of?
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| 15:51 | vagrantc: any idea?
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| 15:52 | <championofcyrodi> maybe you could try http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/rhel-debian-force-users-to-change-passwords/ and have them switch to tty1 when logging in the first time.
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| 15:52 | <gbaman> sigh, vagrantc it ignored the item in the config file
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| 15:52 | same error
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| 15:53 | <santos> how to do that champion?
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| 15:53 | <championofcyrodi> sudo chage -d 0 <user>
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| 15:53 | <santos> the last part
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| 15:53 | <championofcyrodi> ^that should expire their password
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| 15:53 | then Ctrl + Alt + F1
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| 15:53 | at the login screen
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| 15:53 | <santos> I have tried the the command chage
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| 15:54 | but when try to loggin it will fail
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| 15:54 | ooook
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| 15:54 | 130 students
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| 15:54 | ummm
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| 15:55 | there must be an automatic way of doing it
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| 15:55 | <vagrantc> santos: it's currently broken
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| 15:55 | <santos> like a pop up
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| 15:55 | <vagrantc> santos: using password expiry
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| 15:55 | <santos> got it
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| 15:55 | <vagrantc> that's one of the big reasons we need to get development on ltsp6 working
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| 15:55 | having a real pam stack
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| 15:55 | <santos> need donations?
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| 15:56 | <championofcyrodi> to make all users change password, you could dump all users to a text file, then using bash, loop through each user and use the command
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| 15:56 | <santos> I am working in a project with ltsp if I get that I can donate some money
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| 15:56 | <vagrantc> santos: i've definitely been wondering if a bouty system for ltsp6 wouldn't be a good idea ... but i have mixed feelings
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| 15:57 | <championofcyrodi> just rub some money on the screen. It works for pro athletes when they are broken.
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| 15:58 | <santos> let me know
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| 15:58 | heheheheheehe joke day today
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| 16:00 | <gbaman> does the ltsp-build-client config file support different options?
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| 16:01 | oh wait
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| 16:01 | <vagrantc> you sure you got the variable correct?
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| 16:01 | <gbaman> isnt UPDATE_MIRROR.. UPDATES_MIRROR :D
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| 16:08 | <santos> recommended local apps for a schoo enviroment ???
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| 16:13 | <santos> firefox,chrome
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| 16:13 | vlc
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| 16:14 | thin clients are 2 Gb RAM
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| 16:20 | <gbaman> 2gb is plenty for a thin clinet santos
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| 16:20 | <santos> so local apps for a school. whch you recommend
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| 16:21 | server is an 8Gb
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| 16:21 | quad
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| 16:25 | <gbaman> vagrantc: It is now building, seems happy, just getting this a lot http://pastebin.com/whg8PUmC
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| 16:25 | santos look at edubuntu
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| 16:26 | has piles of awesome educational apps
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| 16:26 | http://www.edubuntu.org/screenshots
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| 16:26 | <santos> I want to know what apps are good to use as local apps
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| 16:27 | <gbaman> ohh, sorry. No idea
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| 16:29 | <santos> just installed gnome terminal in the chroot
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| 16:29 | just get a black screen
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| 16:29 | ???
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| 16:40 | <josh_m> Hi. I'm trying to debug a ldm problem. I get the login screen but ldm restarts when I try to log in. Classic "no response, restarting" message
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| 16:40 | So, I'm thinking this has to be ssh related, right?
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| 16:41 | But I can't figure out exactly what's going on with SSH here.
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| 16:41 | I started SSHd in debug mode on the server and I never see a connection from the TC
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| 16:43 | And, naturally logging in and asking the question in IRC is all it took for me to discover the problem
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| 16:44 | :) ltd.conf had SERVER=hostname which resulted in a malformed /etc/hosts entry
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| 16:55 | <gbaman> hmm, vagrantc there is something up with the locales
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| 16:55 | <vagrantc> ok
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| 16:56 | <championofcyrodi> santos: with thin clients, i find it best to use the web browser as localapp
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| 16:56 | <vagrantc> ubuntu and debian do locales quite differently, so that's not much surprise
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| 16:56 | <gbaman> http://pastebin.com/h8W8Zczr
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| 16:57 | that was from inside the chroot
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| 16:57 | <championofcyrodi> Basically, anything that uses graphics, i run locally
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| 16:57 | <santos> office?
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| 16:57 | got it
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| 16:57 | <championofcyrodi> libreoffice should be fine running remote
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| 16:58 | <vagrantc> gbaman: grep -E ^[a-z] /opt/ltsp/armhf/etc/locale.gen
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| 16:58 | <gbaman> nothign
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| 16:59 | *nothing
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| 16:59 | <vagrantc> yup
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| 16:59 | gbaman: sudo ltsp-chroot dpkg-reconfigure locales
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| 16:59 | you need to specify the locales you want, since it can't inherrit it from your ubuntu server.
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| 17:00 | gbaman: ltsp-build-client --locale
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| 17:01 | gbaman: ltsp-build-client --locale en_GB.UTF8
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| 17:01 | gbaman: or LOCALE in ltsp-build-client.conf
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| 17:01 | you could even have ltsp-build-client.conf run some shell code to detect the value
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| 17:02 | <gbaman> keep in mind, whatever we do, has to support debian and ubuntu..
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| 17:03 | I am assuming using locale=en_GB.UTF8 in config file shouldnt break debian?
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| 17:03 | although, we could just check the OS..
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| 17:06 | <vagrantc> LOCALE, but sure.
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| 17:07 | <vagrantc> gbaman: some things may end up being incompatible.
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| 17:07 | gbaman: you'll have to handle that in your code.
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| 17:08 | * alkisg waves | |
| 17:08 | <gbaman> i am thinking will just check in the code if is ubuntu or debian
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| 17:09 | <vagrantc> gbaman: so far, i don't think i've suggested anything that would be incompatible
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| 17:09 | <gbaman> ok?
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| 17:09 | <alkisg> santos: for school environments, and with 2 GB RAM on the clients, fat clients are the best:
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| 17:09 | !ltsp-pnp
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| 17:09 | <ltsp> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 17:10 | <gbaman> for locales
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| 17:10 | <santos> let me check that
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| 17:10 | <alkisg> santos: read also the page about fatclients for general info, but don't follow the instructions there, ltsp-pnp is easier...
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| 17:10 | !fatclients
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| 17:10 | <ltsp> fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 17:20 | <Ark74> vagrantc, so if i find details on the locals, first rebuild the locales on the server then, specify the desired locale when building the chroot image?
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| 17:21 | <gbaman> Ark74: you are having locales issues too?
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| 17:21 | <Ark74> just one app
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| 17:21 | a kde one
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| 17:22 | when using it as a localapp, it showed as english when i'm using spanish
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| 17:22 | <vagrantc> Ark74: i don't know your situation enough to say if it's relevent
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| 17:22 | <alkisg> Ark74: what distribution?
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| 17:22 | <Ark74> Ubuntu 12.04
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| 17:23 | <alkisg> Install language-pack-kde-es to the chroot
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| 17:23 | <Ark74> i did, but since i'm using a ppa i never made a lot of noise
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| 17:23 | about it
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| 17:24 | but if rebuilding the image could help. i'll give it a second try
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| 17:24 | <alkisg> You can easily check if translations are working:
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| 17:24 | sudo ltsp-chroot
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| 17:24 | <vagrantc> in some ways the ppa is better supported on ubuntu
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| 17:24 | <alkisg> gettext -d application "english text"
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| 17:25 | <vagrantc> figuring out what "application" is can by tricky sometimes
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| 17:25 | <alkisg> It's the name of the .mo file
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| 17:25 | dpkg -S application => gives you the package name
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| 17:25 | dpkg -L application | grep mo => gives you the translation domain
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| 17:26 | <Ark74> dpkg -d kolourpaint4 "what goes here?"
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| 17:26 | <alkisg> Ark74: also try with kde-l10n-es
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| 17:27 | <alkisg> Yeah for colourpaint we're using kde-l10n-el here, you just need -es there
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| 17:27 | <Ark74> ok, i'll try
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| 17:27 | <alkisg> Any text that kolourpaint has
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| 17:27 | A menu, a dialog...
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| 17:27 | <Ark74> ohhh
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| 17:27 | it will search for it?
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| 17:28 | <alkisg> It will translate it using your locale
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| 17:28 | <Ark74> or give an output matching that text?
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| 17:28 | <alkisg> For example:
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| 17:28 | https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/kolourpaint/+pots/kolourpaint/es/+translate
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| 17:28 | gettext -d kolourpaint4 'Paint Program for KDE'
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| 17:28 | <alkisg> It should say: Programa de pintura para KDE
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| 17:30 | <Ark74> ohh, there are always new stuff to write down and learn :)
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| 17:30 | thanks
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| 17:39 | <alkisg> In my chroot: gettext -d kolourpaint 'Paint Program for KDE'
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| 17:39 | Πρόγραμμα ζωγραφικής για το KDE
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| 17:43 | <Ark74> i'll check it on my test network
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| 18:37 | <gbaman> vagrantc: that didnt fix it btw
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| 18:37 | http://pastebin.com/7Kr1krMd
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| 18:38 | and the config file used to generate it http://pastebin.com/FdK3gEAW
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| 19:04 | <gbaman> actually, might be fixed
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| 19:05 | scratch that
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| 19:06 | is still broke
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| 19:06 | any ideas vagrantc?
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| 19:07 | <vagrantc> gbaman: fix ubuntu's locale handling in LTSP?
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| 19:07 | <alkisg> Locales end in UTF-8, not UTF8
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| 19:07 | <vagrantc> gbaman: is it actually causing problems?
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| 19:08 | gbaman: or is it just noisy?
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| 19:08 | <gbaman> noisy :)
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| 19:08 | and wasnt there on Debian
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| 19:08 | <vagrantc> don't worry about it.
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| 19:08 | <gbaman> when something complains that much...
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| 19:09 | <alkisg> Are those messages before or after the locales get installed?
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| 19:10 | Because, before locales get installed, if you have LANG/LANGUAGE set to some locale that isn't installed, the warnings are expected...
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| 19:10 | <gbaman> alkisg: it is after it should be installed
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| 19:10 | <vagrantc> gbaman: LANG=C ltsp-build-client
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| 19:11 | gbaman: that'll "fix" the issue.
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| 19:11 | or LC_ALL=C ...
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| 19:11 | <gbaman> is it the right way though or a quick fix
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| 19:11 | ?
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| 19:11 | <vagrantc> the right way is to install debian on debian :P
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| 19:11 | <gbaman> :D
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| 19:12 | <alkisg> gbaman: so if you run ltsp-chroot now, and try to install something, you're still getting perl messages about the locale?
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| 19:12 | <vagrantc> gbaman: like alkisg said, there's probably a typo in what you're setting for the locale.
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| 19:12 | <gbaman> yes alkisg
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| 19:12 | <alkisg> gbaman: env | grep ^L
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| 19:12 | <gbaman> LOCALE=en_GB.UTF8
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| 19:12 | <alkisg> locale -a
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| 19:12 | <vagrantc> grep ^[a-z] /opt/ltsp/armhf/etc/locale.gen
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| 19:13 | <alkisg> gbaman: did you read what I wrote about UTF8 above?
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| 19:13 | <gbaman> sigh...
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| 19:13 | <alkisg> (10:07:29 μμ) alkisg: Locales end in UTF-8, not UTF8
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| 19:13 | <gbaman> time to try again building the OS :)
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| 19:13 | <alkisg> gbaman: first, try to chroot without getting warnings
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| 19:13 | Once you have that part, then go on to running ltsp-build-client again
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| 19:15 | <gbaman> checked /etc/locale.gen, is en_GB.UTF-8
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| 19:15 | if i uncomment it and regen the locales it is happy
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| 19:16 | time to rebuild
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| 19:16 | <vagrantc> your software going to be used outside of en_GB ? :P
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| 19:17 | <gbaman> hmm
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| 19:17 | is there a way I can grab it from ubuntu?
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| 19:17 | although I am sure 99% of users will be english
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| 19:18 | that 1% could get annoyed :D
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| 19:21 | can just grab from $LANG
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| 19:21 | sorted
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| 19:23 | sorted LOCALE=$LANG
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| 19:25 | <vagrantc> if LANG is set
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| 19:31 | <alkisg> install)
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| 19:31 | if [ -z "$LOCALE" ]; then
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| 19:31 | LOCALE="$LANG"
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| 19:31 | fi
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| 19:31 | That code is already there
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| 19:31 | So just don't set locale...
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| 19:32 | <Ark74> sorry, to ask about this here, you can just skip the question
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| 19:33 | how do you set a l10n file to a kde program?
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| 19:33 | (manually)
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| 19:33 | <vagrantc> alkisg: not on Debian
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| 19:34 | <Ark74> there are 422 people at #kde and no answer
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| 19:35 | <alkisg> vagrantc: isn't gbaman talking about ubuntu chroots now?
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| 19:35 | <vagrantc> alkisg: it's an ubuntu server installing raspbian using the Debian vendor plugins...
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| 19:35 | <alkisg> Ah
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| 19:35 | <vagrantc> a real mongrel :)
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| 19:35 | <alkisg> (10:33:09 μμ) Ark74: how do you set a l10n file to a kde program? ==> re-phrase, I didn't understand the question
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| 19:36 | <vagrantc> Ark74: you want to update the translation files?
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| 19:36 | <Ark74> nope, the program is not using any translation file, even when they exist
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| 19:37 | <alkisg> Ark74: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 19:37 | env|grep ^L
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| 19:37 | gettext -d kolourpaint 'Paint Program for KDE'
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| 19:37 | What's the output of those?
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| 19:39 | <Ark74> kolourpaint is fine now, i'm stuck at kdenlive
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| 19:39 | let me get the output
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| 19:40 | <gbaman> alkisg: am trying to port to ubuntu as it is just way easier to use for a beginner
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| 19:41 | and weirdly it didnt like "LOCALE=$LANG" in the config file... "error: Bad entry 'en_GB.UTF-8 ' "
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| 19:41 | am wondering about the space there seems to be at the end?
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| 19:41 | <alkisg> Not all config files are shell files
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| 19:42 | They don't all support $VARs
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| 19:42 | <gbaman> well, that wasnt actually in the config file
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| 19:42 | it replaced it when it was writing the config file
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| 19:43 | which i had forgotten..
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| 19:43 | let me check it
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| 19:44 | the actual config file has "LOCALE=en_GB.UTF-8"
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| 19:44 | well, without speech marks
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| 19:44 | <Ark74> alkisg, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7502763/
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| 19:45 | <alkisg> Ark74: and, when does it _not_ use the translations?
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| 19:45 | <Ark74> on screen
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| 19:46 | <alkisg> Thin client?
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| 19:46 | <Ark74> nor server :(
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| 19:46 | i see the file
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| 19:46 | but it's not using it
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| 19:46 | <alkisg> Run kdenlive from a terminal, and, before running it, check the env|grep ^L output again
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| 19:46 | <Ark74> any translation for that matter
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| 19:47 | <alkisg> or the gettext line
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| 19:50 | <Ark74> it is using LANG=es_MX.UTF-8
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| 19:51 | the l10n file is here: /usr/share/locale/es/LC_MESSAGES/kdenlive.mo
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| 19:51 | <alkisg> strace -e trace=file kdenlive 2>&1 | grep LC_MESSAGES
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| 19:53 | It does sound like a code issue though...
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| 19:54 | <Ark74> yeah, here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7502791/
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| 19:56 | it's looking on some directories, i'll check that
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| 19:58 | the esiest would be create symbolic links to the files it looks for
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| 19:58 | right?
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| 20:06 | <gbaman> weird
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| 20:06 | http://pastebin.com/57YTc0et
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| 20:06 | they all are set?
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| 20:06 | yet still throwing errors?
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| 20:12 | <Ark74> alkisg, vagrantc muchas gracias :) now i have to figure this out
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| 20:13 | <alkisg> Ark74: access("/usr/share/locale/es/LC_MESSAGES/kdenlive.mo", R_OK) = 0 ==> it finds the file
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| 20:14 | <Ark74> mmm, then it may be one of the many files that it claims is missing
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| 20:15 | <alkisg> No that's normal, it's looking in many places until it finds it
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| 20:15 | gbaman: and you're sure you have the en_GB locale installed?
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| 20:16 | <Ark74> then is code related, i pressume
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| 20:16 | <alkisg> gbaman: i.e., language-pack-en-base
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| 20:17 | <gbaman> alkisg: that an apt package?
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| 20:17 | <alkisg> It's a package that you can install with apt, yes
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| 20:17 | <gbaman> apparently not with Raspbian...
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| 20:17 | weird..
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| 20:17 | <alkisg> Ah
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| 20:17 | <gbaman> root@andrew-Ubuntu-14:/# apt-cache search language-pack
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| 20:17 | inkscape - vector-based drawing program
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| 20:17 | <alkisg> sorry I keep forgeting it's only the server that's ubuntu
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| 20:18 | <gbaman> haha, yes
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| 20:18 | <alkisg> gbaman: what's the output of `locale -a` ?
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| 20:19 | <gbaman> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/12c9561819c78023fe30
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| 20:19 | <alkisg> So, you don't have any locale configured
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| 20:19 | <gbaman> looks like you are right alkisg
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| 20:20 | when it was generating them i got error: Bad entry 'en_GB.UTF-8 '
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| 20:23 | the config file for ltsp-build-client was
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| 20:23 | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/e1aefd52ac219593c144
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| 20:24 | <alkisg> Again, UTF-8, not UTF8
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| 20:25 | <vagrantc> gbaman: you misspelled en_GB.UTF-8 again
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| 20:25 | <gbaman> oops, wrong server
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| 20:25 | <Ark74> alkisg, then since kdenlive finds the .mo file, gettext can translate the line, but for other reason the application won't handle the trasnlations
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| 20:25 | <gbaman> have 2 servers running sshing into both :)
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| 20:26 | <alkisg> Ark74: yes, for example it might not be calling the correct gettext domain function
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| 20:26 | <gbaman> ok, here is the locale -a of correct server
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| 20:26 | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/193cf543bbcb978b1ff2
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| 20:26 | <vagrantc> grep -E ^[a-z] /opt/ltsp/armhf/etc/locale.gen
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| 20:26 | <alkisg> And the output of `locale` there?
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| 20:26 | <gbaman> wait a sec
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| 20:27 | <vagrantc> locale displays differently.
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| 20:27 | <gbaman> probably should ltsp-chroot, that would be smart
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| 20:27 | <vagrantc> .utf8 vs. .UTF-8
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| 20:27 | <alkisg> Most libs/apps can handle both utf8 and UTF-8
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| 20:28 | <gbaman> locale http://pastebin.com/rf2DJaJN
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| 20:28 | <Ark74> ok, thanks
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| 20:28 | <alkisg> There was some discussion about which of them is more correct, I don't think there was concensus
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| 20:28 | <vagrantc> gbaman: ltsp-chroot dpkg -l locales
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| 20:28 | <gbaman> build config file https://gist.github.com/anonymous/92ff6035648443da135b
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| 20:28 | <alkisg> gbaman: also try: LANG=en_GB.utf8 locale
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| 20:29 | <gbaman> vagrantc: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/c08e209002d908dbface
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| 20:29 | <vagrantc> gbaman: grep -E ^[a-z] /opt/ltsp/armhf/etc/locale.gen
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| 20:29 | ?
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| 20:29 | <gbaman> alkisg: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/3d200f6f4a53cbcf7545
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| 20:30 | <alkisg> gbaman: and all those pastebins are from inside the chroot?
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| 20:30 | <gbaman> yes
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| 20:30 | root@andrew-14:/# grep -E ^[a-z] /opt/ltsp/armhf/etc/locale.gen
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| 20:30 | /bin/grep: /opt/ltsp/armhf/etc/locale.gen: No such file or directory
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| 20:30 | haha
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| 20:30 | which of course wont work
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| 20:30 | from inside the chroot
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| 20:30 | <vagrantc> no, you'll have to use your powers
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| 20:31 | <gbaman> root@andrew-14:/# grep -E ^[a-z] etc/locale.gen
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| 20:31 | en_GB.UTF-8
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| 20:31 | <vagrantc> en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8
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| 20:31 | is what it should say
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| 20:31 | <gbaman> I am in UK?
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| 20:31 | <alkisg> en_GB.UTF-8 UTF-8
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| 20:31 | <vagrantc> again, use your powers of substitution
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| 20:31 | <gbaman> ok?
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| 20:31 | <alkisg> There's a second UTF-8 there
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| 20:32 | Then, run locale-gen again
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| 20:32 | <vagrantc> yeah, the encoding is both part of the locale, and a second column for the encoding
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| 20:33 | <gbaman> so I should actually have LOCALE=en_GB.UTF-8 UTF-8 ?
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| 20:33 | <vagrantc> the /etc/locale.gen syntax may have changed...
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| 20:33 | no
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| 20:33 | <gbaman> in the ltsp-build-client config file?
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| 20:33 | <vagrantc> i think you've discovered a bug in the ltsp-build-client plugins
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| 20:34 | <gbaman> yay? :)
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| 20:35 | <vagrantc> i'll dig in and verify for sure
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| 20:35 | <alkisg> echo "$LOCALE" >> $ROOT/etc/locale.gen
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| 20:35 | Maybe using sed would be better?
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| 20:36 | I.e. uncommenting the existing line of the locale...
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| 20:36 | gbaman: first, manually edit /etc/locale.gen
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| 20:36 | <vagrantc> alkisg: if there is an existing lie
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| 20:36 | line
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| 20:36 | <alkisg> Put this there: en_GB.UTF-8 UTF-8
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| 20:36 | With the second UTF-8
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| 20:37 | Then run locale-gen
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| 20:37 | Then run locale
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| 20:37 | If it works now, we're more certain it's a bug that needs to be fixed...
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| 20:38 | <gbaman> error: Bad entry 'en_GB.UTF-8 '
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| 20:38 | hmm
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| 20:38 | wait
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| 20:38 | scratch that
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| 20:38 | is happy now
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| 20:39 | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5ae93db96afb6516f0f5
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| 20:39 | of course, right at the end from the ltsp-build-client en_GB.UTF-8
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| 20:40 | meaning I could just put en_GB.UTF-8 UTF-8 in the ltsp-build-client config file
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| 20:41 | <alkisg> vagrantc: it might be better to grep the line from SUPPORTED, then add it to locale.gen, but only if it doesn't already exist
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| 20:41 | <vagrantc> alkisg: for it to work properly it needs to be there before the files exist.
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| 20:41 | well, to minimize the noise.
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| 20:41 | <gbaman> vagrantc: if this is a bug in LTSP, am assuming a fix would take ages to filter through?
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| 20:42 | <vagrantc> gbaman: that will likely cause other issues
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| 20:42 | gbaman: in ltsp-build-client? if you're using the PPA, it's probably as fast as alkisg is willing to upload it
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| 20:43 | though, why did it work "correctly" when run on a debian system?
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| 20:43 | <gbaman> ..
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| 20:43 | because it just imports it from parent OS?
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| 20:43 | <vagrantc> right.
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| 20:44 | it just copies /etc/locale.gen from the server...
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| 20:44 | <gbaman> yeah?
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| 20:44 | <vagrantc> so it's a well-hidden bug on Debian
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| 20:44 | <gbaman> yeah
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| 20:44 | <vagrantc> it only is triggered if you try to set the locale settings using --locale or LOCALE=
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| 20:45 | <alkisg> vagrantc: shouldn't LANG be set to C before "locales" get installed?
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| 20:45 | <vagrantc> gbaman: but you can't work around it by setting LOCALE="foo_BAR.UTF-8 UTF-8" as that will do other things.
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| 20:46 | this is such a corner-case...
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| 20:47 | <gbaman> i was using LOCALE= vagrantc
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| 20:48 | <vagrantc> when what?
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| 20:48 | <gbaman> You were asking if --locale or LOCALE= ?
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| 20:48 | <vagrantc> i was stating that is what triggers the bug.
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| 20:48 | <gbaman> ah
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| 20:49 | <vagrantc> the locales handling code in Debian works as long as the server's /etc/locale.gen is correct. Ubuntu doesn't have /etc/locale.gen.
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| 20:50 | but if you specify --locale=foo_BAR or use LOCALE=foo_BAR it breaks.
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| 20:50 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I think LOCALE="en_GB.UTF-8 UTF-8" will actually work
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| 20:50 | <vagrantc> because it puts an invalid entry into the chroot's /etc/locale.gen
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| 20:50 | <alkisg> export LANG=$(echo "$LOCALE" | awk '{print $1}')
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| 20:50 | That line seems to expect locale to have the second UTF-8 there
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| 20:50 | <vagrantc> true enough, i guess.
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| 20:51 | why ugly code.
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| 20:51 | what ugly code.
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| 20:51 | <gbaman> so that is the answer for now?
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| 20:51 | <alkisg> gbaman: so, when trying again, try with LOCALE="en_GB.UTF-8 UTF-8"
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| 20:51 | <vagrantc> gbaman: looks so.
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| 20:51 | <gbaman> ok alkisg, will run a build, should take about 20 mins
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| 20:51 | <vagrantc> i wrote that in 2006.
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| 20:52 | i think i was trying to support non-UTF-8 locales ... as at the time, they were still supported in Debian.
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| 20:53 | gbaman: you caching the downloaded packages?
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| 20:53 | <gbaman> nope
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| 20:53 | * vagrantc hands gbaman approx or apt-cacher-ng or squid-deb-proxy or ... | |
| 20:53 | <gbaman> haha
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| 20:53 | yes, yes
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| 20:53 | I doubt it would save much time really
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| 20:53 | <vagrantc> local mirror?
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| 20:54 | <alkisg> ...or --mount-package-cache mount package cache dir from server
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| 20:54 | <vagrantc> that one too
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| 20:54 | <gbaman> which is ubuntu
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| 20:54 | and amd64
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| 20:54 | not arm
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| 20:54 | <alkisg> It doesn't matter, it's just a folder to be kept
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| 20:54 | <vagrantc> would still work, it's just "apt-get clean" would purge them...
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| 20:55 | or autoclean
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| 20:55 | <gbaman> building now
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| 20:55 | lets see if it complains
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| 20:56 | if i use LOCALE="en_GB.UTF-8 UTF-8" is it going to break tomorrow?
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| 20:58 | <vagrantc> should be fine.
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| 20:58 | * vagrantc will try to fix so LOCALE="en_GB.UTF-8" will work | |
| 20:59 | <gbaman> :)
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| 20:59 | thanks
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| 20:59 | <vagrantc> i guess Debian still technically supports some non-UTF-8 locales...
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| 20:59 | <gbaman> but will anyone ever be using them vagrantc?
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| 21:00 | <alkisg> vagrantc: Ubuntu's using LOCALE without the second UTF-8 part, i.e. like LANG
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| 21:00 | <vagrantc> alkisg: yes, i know.
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| 21:01 | also, it only supports setting a single locale...
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| 21:02 | UTF-8 locales will either end in .utf8 or .UTF-8 ... usually.
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| 21:02 | although there are some native UTF-8 locales that don't specify .UTF-8 ...
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| 21:03 | <alkisg> Because that's the default for them
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| 21:03 | locale.gen and SUPPORTED map from LANG to charset...
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| 21:04 | <vagrantc> does Ubuntu have /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED ?
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| 21:04 | could just continue to require the whole line...
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| 21:04 | <alkisg> $ dpkg -S /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED
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| 21:04 | locales: /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED
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| 21:04 | <vagrantc> but that is confusing...
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| 21:05 | <alkisg> I think you can start with LANG=C, then install locales, then use SUPPORTED
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| 21:05 | <vagrantc> right
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| 21:05 | <alkisg> Before locales gets installed, LANG=en_US will just produce warnings, right?
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| 21:06 | So setting it to "C" at first sounds better...
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| 21:06 | <vagrantc> it already does that
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| 21:07 | <gbaman> success
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| 21:07 | Generating locales (this might take a while)...
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| 21:07 | en_GB.UTF-8... done
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| 21:07 | Generation complete.
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| 21:07 | wont be certain till it finishes, but looking good
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| 21:08 | <alkisg> vagrantc: Btw, why not special-case locales so that it's installed before the other packages? It does make sense, e.g. I'd want to see the installation errors about "package-xyz" in Greek, and I wouldn't have that if locales were installed in the same `apt-get install` line as package-xyz...
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| 21:08 | <vagrantc> alkisg: it does.
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| 21:08 | <alkisg> Cool
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| 21:08 | <vagrantc> it adds it to the list of packages to install via debootstrap
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| 21:09 | * alkisg stops spamming with ideas until he reads the ltsp-build-client code... which probably won't ever happen... :D | |
| 21:09 | <vagrantc> unconditionally installs locales, actually
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| 21:09 | was too complicated to avoid.
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| 21:10 | alkisg: nothing better than someone with good ideas telling you to do something you did 8 years ago :)
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| 21:11 | <alkisg> :D
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| 21:13 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 21:14 | to make this more automated is more code than i really want to dig in with...
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| 21:16 | it really does require pulling the locale out of /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED ... guess that's not *so* hard.
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| 21:23 | <gbaman> vagrantc: famous last words?
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| 21:23 | :)
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| 21:24 | <alkisg> Fun... The .mo files go anywhere in en*/LC_MESSAGES... http://paste.debian.net/101291/
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| 21:24 | <gbaman> so in the end I am doing $LANG + UTF-8?
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| 21:24 | how ever you concatenate in BASH...
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| 21:24 | <alkisg> "$LANG UTF-8"
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| 21:25 | <gbaman> oh yeah...
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| 21:25 | I really do hate BASH..
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| 21:25 | especially if statements...
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| 21:25 | it is so picky
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| 21:27 | hmmm, I do need an apt-cache..
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| 21:28 | <alkisg> Again, see what we suggested above, --mount-package-cache
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| 21:29 | <gbaman> I am running multiple virtual machines
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| 21:31 | <alkisg> And?
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| 21:35 | <gbaman> each will need to download it
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| 21:35 | i frequently wipe the installs and start afresh
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| 21:37 | <vagrantc> gbaman: how fast is your mirror? with a local cache, what normally takes me a few minutes takes seconds ...
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| 21:38 | <gbaman> no idea how fast the raspbian mirror system is
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| 21:39 | <vagrantc> you said it took 20 minutes to build LTSP... how uch of that is spent downloading packages? :P
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| 21:39 | apt usually tells you.
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| 21:39 | <gbaman> it didnt give a time
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| 21:39 | <vagrantc> granted, debootstrap doesn't, but that's a relatively small part of the downloads
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| 21:39 | <gbaman> I am looking into setting one up now
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| 21:40 | and here is the raspbian mirror stats http://www.raspbian.org/munin/bytemark/raspbian.org/if_bond0.html
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| 21:40 | <vagrantc> gbaman: at any rate, thanks for reporting this corner-case issue: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/2563
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| 21:41 | gbaman: that tells me nothing about how fast it gets to you
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| 21:41 | <gbaman> and how would one check that?
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| 21:41 | <vagrantc> which i don't really need to know, it's more of a rhetorical question
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| 21:41 | apt-get -d some-big-package
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| 21:41 | er, apt-get -d install some-big-package
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| 21:42 | that'll give you a summary of the speed
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| 21:42 | the kernel package is a good start...
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| 21:42 | ltsp-chroot apt-get -d --reinstall install linux-image-3.2.0-4-rpi
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| 21:42 | <gbaman> will play about with it tomorrow, gota go
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| 21:42 | <vagrantc> good luck
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| 21:43 | <gbaman> thanks for help vagrantc and alkisg
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| 21:43 | <vagrantc> and thanks for the help! :)
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| 21:43 | i guess with that code in place, i could also just ensure that $LANG was in there, if set.
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| 21:44 | and probably use sed, like alkisg suggested...
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