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Ryan52, you know from where ldm gets the list of sessions available to use for LDM_SESSION?
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ldminfo.c gets it from ldminfo.
(I think that's what you were talking about..)
Ryan52, yup, i need to get value for Name= from /usr/share/xsessions/*.desktop instead of Exec that we get
ldminfo spits out session-with-name: for that reason...where do you need the list?
session_names is that what i want?
rdesktop -s does not like the path, it is looking for Name instead, so if ldm.nomad , i want to use Names instead of Exec values
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cyberorg: are you sure that you need the Name and not the name of the .desktop file?
Ryan52, i tried this http://pastebin.com/d2ce70be but that does not do the trick :)
cuz the Name is sposed to be hooman readable.
and if they're relying on that, that's really...dumb.
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Ryan52, here is the .desktop entry and the command that works: http://pastebin.com/d6213c829
nomad is much more hooman
so you see, i've been trying my best before asking you :)
hmm...lemme do this in a pastebin :)
probably we can have ldm.sessionname ?
nah, too much work.
i thought of switch/case, but all distros might have different names
ya, that's defidently bad. now gimme a minute and I'll get it figured out. :)
thanks, i knew i as asking the right person :)
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that's all I can guarantee :)
Ryan52, will the my_session_name be in quotes " "? without it rdesktop fails too
in quotes? you mean passed as a single arguement?
oh, oops, no, it won't.
-s "KDE 4.2" works -s KDE 4.2 does not
that should work better.
ok, thanks, will test and get back :)
if it seg faults or just doesn't work, then I'll have to try to look tomorrow...my LTSP server is nuts right now, and I have stuff to do, and I should be sleeping right now. :)
ok, 'night, sleep well
hi, i have a little problem with the k12linux (yes, i know, "ask" fedora support :))
how can i install additional packages in 32bit client chroot on a 64bit server?
djsmiley: could you please explain further?
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so, i have a fedora10 x86_64 server, with ltsp5-server packages, and i built a client with the ltsp-build-client with arch i386 option
now i want to install xorg video driver packages inside the chroot, and the package manager says:
Transaction Check Error: package xorg-x11-drv-s3virge-1.10.0-1.fc9.x86_64 is intended for a x86_64 architecture
how are you installing it? how are you chrooting?
try "linux32 chroot /opt/ltsp/i386" and doing it.
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under debian lenny this works like a charm with simple chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
Ryan52, it is now using the name that is in the preference menu, not the Name that is in the .desktop file
so basically it did same thing as the basename patch i posted
ok, what's the problem?
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what's the difference between the name in the preferences menu and Name in the .desktop file?
Ryan52, in preference menu startkde is Name=KDE 4.2 in .desktop
the preferences menu should say "KDE 4.2" in it as well...
preference menu seem to be doing basename(Execthing)
well it's not sposed to :P
could you please pastebin the output of ldminfod?
try updating your ldminfod...
did things change in last month?
[ryan52@newbie ~]$ sudo ldminfod | grep ^session
cyberorg: this was an old, old change of mine..
or at least, I think it was mine...
that's better :)
it should work now :)
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Ryan52, you can kick jini to keep you up from sleeping, she was supposed to get this working
Ryan52, it seems to have ignored " "
rdesktop -z -f -u geeko -p XXXXXX -s KDE 4.2 10.0.0.254
came out like that
are you sure that you used the second patch and not the first?
command = g_strjoin(" ", "rdesktop", "-z", "-f", "-u", ldm.username, "-p", ldm.password, "-s \"", my_session_name, "\" ", ldm.server, NULL);
thats the one
ok, so we're joining these arguements together into a string, and then passing it to a function which splits it again...rediculous.
ah, there's a nice little helper function for this..
cyberorg: try that one.
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Ryan52, yes!! it worked :)
thanks, remind me to pay for a beer when we meet ;)
vagrantc would be very happy with this
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it's probably best if you don't do that...I'm a minor ^.^
Ryan52, i am sure you will be 18 when i see you
oh, ok. :)
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cyberorg: should I commit this?
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Ryan52, now you can go sleep :)
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hello, i hav e aproblem with xrdp and ltsp. we have some small "chippc"s which do rdp. we want to connect them to ltsp, but when the xrdp session starts, it looks like they are in a different X environment. when i PXE boot an other machine, it looks fine (and i can configure it better). does anyone here know how to make xrdp use the same resources as a PXE booted session?
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does that even make sense?
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hi vagrantc :)
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stgraber, cyberorg: did that patch stgraber just commit work for xrdp session selection?
vagrantc, Ryan52 did, and yes it works :)
ah, misread the email (the previous was from stgraber)
i'll create live DVD with update later today
cyberorg: do you understand *why* it worked?
vagrantc, logs here http://groups.google.com/group/proj-uron/browse_thread/thread/ff9bb1d5d0850e5c
in short -s expects Name from .desktop
so now we have local disks, sound and session all working :)
sound with ~/.ltspvars hack
people can now switch off their terminals and resume from where they left
gotta figure out some other way for the sound variables ...
we assume users will use the same terminal most of the time
that's a big assumption
one of the feature that wins people over is that they can log in from any machine
well it should work in most cases, at least first time user logs in
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but depends on your environment
at any rate... it's pretty slick.
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try live DVD when i am done, i've tried to make switching to nomad quite simple
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i am preparing a jumbo image, first one was 1.8G
cyberorg: so, what are the things that nomad handles above normal xrdp? just sound?
with LDM, sound and local disks both
i am not sure how much difference is between normal xrdp and nomad one, there is one big patch that is in suse package
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so ... Im with 6 clients connected, (ubuntu 8.10) and the box is using 25gb of memory .... is this normal or Im missing something in the proccess?
cyberorg: well, local disks work with "normal" xrdp. obviously the sound stuff is missing.
cyberorg: well, normal xrdp + ldm with nomad patches.
vagrantc, compiz, but i dont care for it much, so haven't looked at how to get it working
cyberorg: do you have a URL to the xrdp patch(es) for nomad?
maginot, 25GB of RAM?
maginot, How much RAM have you got in the box total?
wow. most of my LTSP application servers only have 2GB of ram.
Mine all have 4GB
if you've got over 4G of ram
you better be running 64bit
this server have 32gb ... but now I just discovery what happened
a miss comunication here between the personal and something turned off the server in the middle of a dd for a forense recovery and I think nc was stucked in the middle
Lumiere, I have recompiled the kernel to support high memory
I didnt know dd could use all the system resource in such a way ... impressive
maginot - were you using bs=1?
cyberorg: looks like it also adds support for xdmx ...
yup, you will see lot of composite and xdmx stuff
epsas, Hmmm to be honest I didnt set any parametrs, just if and of ... but I think the default is 512 isnt ?
cyberorg: i see a bunch of scp_session_set_wm stuff added. i'm wondering if your patch will work with plain xrdp...
maginot, you know linux caches heavily filling all available RAM? that does not mean it is using all of it
vagrantc, i am sure it does
cyberorg: i'll give it a whirl sometime...
cyberorg, but if memory usage rises to top isnt this going to prejudice the clients ?
maginot, check "free -m"
interesting, after reaching the max memory availble it frees the memory and start filling again
maginot, used - cached = really in use
check the third line -/+ buffer/cache, that is real figure
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cyberorg, very interesting, I didn't realize that
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|12:46||* Lns wonders why the ltsp.org site doesn't have the new logo up yet :(|
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oh, which logo won?
Nubae1: I forget, and every time i go to view design submissions my firefox almost craps out on me =p ironyyyy!
I'm sure it's in your IRC logs though =) can-o-spam had made an announcement shortly after the contest was over
oh, and on the list
ah... well we'll see it soon enough I guess :-)
=) How's everything with you Nubae1 ?
Haven't chatted in a while
Wish I had an EPROM programmer
yeah, its good... not too much to tell really... trying to get some interest for ltsp based systems + lotus server for small businesses
how bout u?
Nubae1: Lotus eh? My brother works a lot with that down in L.A.
Nubae1: I'm doing well, have some interesting things in the pipeline for LTSP work here in Cali (mostly targetting pri/sec edu) and getting some great contacts in the area
Note to all: Attend your local LUG meetings, you'll meet many knowledgeable people
Lns: I don't think there is one.
yeah non here either
I thought about setting up something informal, but I don't know.
u have it easier up there in US of A
you should..it's got to start somewhere
bah, nonsense. Linux is universal =)
even if people aren't into it over there, you could get people into it
well, I'm still trying to convince schools here to take the plunge, but it takes time for them to make decisions
though they are all interested
Nubae1: where are you?
schools are definitely slow moving
but it's worth the time investment, as the results are great
Lns: somewhat, though in some ways they get to try things you wouldn't get away with in the corporate world.
(such as turning old machines into X terminals)
I saw a school tech job advertised recently, but it was 160 miles away
for instance my one school district took the plunge simply based on my recommendation as an outside consultant..took me 2 years to get 7 schools online, but it happened
...it's not practical for me to drive 320 miles every day
Lns: u must be quite the salesman... so far I've only managed to convince 2 schools :-(
Nubae1: nope..i convinced the district IT director. =)
And he was already a Linux/Apple guy, so... =p
it was the easiest sale ever
Lns: ...it doesn't hurt that MacOS X comes with an X server ;-)
ball: yup, though it's modified enough to make it hard to work seamlessly
What I think really helps is that if they have existing computers w/Windows/whatever on them, simply change the BIOS to boot to the network and set up an LTSP server. They can switch back and forth at their leisure
They won't feel as intimidated if they can revert to their "working" setup as things progress
yeah thats really true
thats the sales pitch for small businesses too
no need to change everything
yeah... get them used to the idea mentally
Lns: how difficult is it to set up an LTSP server though?
ball: not difficult at all. It's an install option on Ubuntu Alternate CD
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Lns: if I have an Ubuntu Server box with two NICs, can I have it serve terminals on one interface and connect to the Internet on the other?
ball: you can also do a 1-NIC setup, just depends on how you want the topology to flow
I would rather go with two Ethernets, to keep the terminal data off the general LAN
What's the first document I should read to learn about setting this up?
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ball: are you planning on using ubuntu?
Lns: Ubuntu Server, at least to begin with.
ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
ball: I'd use Ubuntu Desktop and just install the server kernel+headers
Lns: must I?
ball: no, but its easier for sure
ball: no, but you'll need to manually install the desktop environment after the server install. It's the same stuff, just a different config
ogra: how's life?
discovered chandler today... nice little calendar/todo program
Okay, because I was hoping to use Xfce, with the normal Xfce desktop, not the Xubuntuised one.
Lns, busy ... nearing release :)
I suppose I could try Gnome
...for the purposes of this exercise.
ogra: nice. Those things just keep popping out like. every 6 months or something! =p
thats an illusion :)
truth is we're all slackers and only change the color ;)
ball: nothing wrong with using xfce
nobody notices :P
ogra: =p~ yeah I finally saw Jaunty a couple weeks ago, the bootsplash was different..i was all "ooooo!" haha
besides the fact that everything worked much better :)
yeah new login screen is kinda nifty
yeah its a lot new bling
I definitely like the artists doing the work a lot. Every release looks great, and it doesn't change drastically at all (COUGHwindowsCOUGH)
yeah, we have a bunch of new teams ...
design ... desktop experience ... usability ...
I kinda wish the compiz advanced settings were installed by default but that's such a small thing...i couldn't think of anything else that I had to do manually =p
Does LTSP support Xvideo?
...perhaps only on cards with video hardware?
I forget who asked yesterday regarding multi-head LTSP clients... but here's the article I was looking for that talked about it in Ubu Jaunty: http://www.stgraber.org/2009/03/31/ltsp-past-and-future
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hello all, i'm using ubuntu intrepid and installed ltsp using the standard procedure (aptitude install ltsp-server-standalone. the server boots fine, i can get to it via xdmcp and ssh, no problems. when i pxe boot with my client, it gets the kernel image and begins to boot normally, i get to the ubuntu splash screen and then it freezes. if i check the daemon.log on the server, i can find the follwowing: nbd_server[xxxx]: Read failed: Inappropriate ioctl for de
i also tried using nfs, but got another error. i'm intending to use nbd, so i didn't bother with that at all
the nbd_server error is probably a red herring
_fang: try disabling the splash screen by editing /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
okay. i'll try to boot
the clients X keeps flashing (like connecting and disconnecting) and the server log says that it is receiving connections
but won't go past it
_fang: that sounds like a problem with X configuration
_fang: what sort of thin clients are you using?
gxfb 0000:00:01.1: could not find valid video mode
_fang: see if https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting helps you at all
i got this on the client
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it is =[
vagrantc: you just won a new CAAAAR!!
I thought geode stuff was fixed in the ibex
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what's up with the geodes?
some of the geode chipsets are not well supported by recent versions of X.org
|14:14||* vagrantc just got a geode thin client yesterday ... just need to upgrade the ram to see if it works at all|
so, there's a chance that it won't work at all??
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_fang: maybe try forcing the video to use vesa: XSERVER=vesa in lts.conf
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okay, i'll do it
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cyberorg: session selection definitely isn't working in debian
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cyberorg: since debian's testing release is in such flux, i'll see if i can get it to work on the stable release.
might be other unrelated problems.
vagrantc: i still have the same problem with the change in lts.conf
anything else i can try???
_fang: i'm not real savvy with the whole issue ... did you look at the page Lns mentioned a while back?
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yes... the only problem i got on the X logs is that /dev/fb0 could not be opened (no such file or directory)
the same problem if i try to X -query 192.168.0.1 :1
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_fang: did you disable the bootsplash like vagrantc said earlier?
that was a big issue with the geodes
guys, Im having some problems with /tmp dir of client ... after open from firefox some PDFs I'm receiving an error telling that the I need to specify an application (this is already done in mozilla preferences) if I go to the /tmp dir I can see the file there with the user ownership but with 400 mode after deleting those files firefox open the pdf without problem (open with evince)
yes. and also used some parts of the link you sent to enable root access and try to find some hints. i got the fb0 stuff, trying to google to find something, but maybe if someone else knows some pointers ;)
maybe setting vesa on the boot lines?
_fang: using XSERVER=vesa (or whatever it is) should do the equiv
if Gadi were around he'd probably be able to tell ya
already did it
_fang: have you done all server and chroot updates?
what chroot update you mean?
ltsp-update- images and kernel
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Lns: i'll try it then
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write once, read many ;)
_fang: remember to replace instances of "Hardy" with "Intrepid"
such as in sources.list
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Doing some research on possibly setting up an LTSP server. Is it difficult to set the default X-Windows used?
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something just hit me now. i'm using a somehow old kernel with ubuntu (2.6.20). should the image have the same kernel version²
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I have one client and it's just started booting in 800x600 resolution when before it was much higher (and useable). Same monitor on server but resolution is fine
card in client is nvidia but it's never been a problem before
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Is it possible to get access to a local CD or usb drive from an ltsp client?
vagrantc: "localdev" is (#1) Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev, or (#2) for ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices, or (#3) for debian-edu: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/LocalDeviceLtspfs, or (#4) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
Thanks. I'll have a look at those.
_fang: do you have -updates enabled??
vagrantc: i'll ask something based on what jhai1 asked. is it possible to use something like a webcam or those fingerprint scanners on a client?
Lns: just enabled, i'm rebuilding the image
is there a way I can switch what window manager is set to by default?
_fang: i'm not sure there's much documentation on it. but surely it's *possible*
vagrantc: ok! i'll try it later. one thing at a time xD
ltsp5 is essentially running whatever distro you're running on the server. so if it's possible to run on a standalone machine, it should be possible to run on ltsp.
only if it was that simple xD
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_fang: it's simple, you just have to know how it all works together =)
that's the point. sometimes i really get lost
I'll rebuild the client see if that works
this is the first i'm trying ltsp with ubuntu and geodes. i used to do it a lot with debian and some old pentium machines. never really bothered me. but now.........
_fang: the more you work with it the easier it gets. It's not all that complex, it's just visualizing the big picture
yup! i'm trying as hard as i can! hehe i learned quite a bit with debian. it was much easier to start with ubuntu because of that
note to self: never underestimate the flexibility of 'ssh -X'
cyberorg, Ryan52: that last patch definitely breaks working with xrdp entirely, at least for my setup. it seems like rdesktop fails to run at all and/or exits, and it just hangs during login, with the cursor spinning...
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there's really no way to get it working.
Kernel call returned: broken pipe
what the hell was that supposed to mean??
nope, rebuilding the client doesn't work
how does the client know what resolution to boot in?
_fang: uhhhh...when does that happen?
nbd0: queue cleared
just after taht
_fang: during client bootup?
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it keeps telling me that it can't find /dev/fb0 any clues on it?
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cyberorg: i'm guessing opensuse uses a different setup. i've managed to get crude session selection working by tweaking /etc/xrdp/startwm.sh to read session and language from the user's ~/.dmrc file.
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well, i changed the errors. let's see what comes out of it
irvken: X probably doesn't detect your monitor frequency OK. Search the logs for instructions on how to use the X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH options.
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W: protocol-native.c: Denied access to client with invalid authorization data
and then the screen flickers from X to the tty1
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i tried to boot with my laptop as a client and got the same error message
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_fang: I'm just guessing at this point but it sounds like something got funked up in your chroot...you might want to consider rebuilding from scratch (and updating afterwards) unless you know what you might have done in there
rebuilding chroot that is
Lns: i'll be back to it tomorrow.. i'll try debian instead, maybe i'm more lucky with it =)
anyway, thank you very much guys
_fang: good luck =)
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stgraber: hey, works great, 2 issues though
when a USB key is yanked how long before it is goes away from /media/root?
and can the names of the folders be changed in /media/root
like just usb1 instead of usbdisk-sda1
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Ryan52: Fedora 11's glibc.i586 is broken, so chroots wont work at the moment.
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can i make a ltsp client work over wireless networks?
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Does LTSP make any attempt to support Xvideo on terminals that have hardware MPEG?
(or colourspace conversion)
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BugsBunnyBR: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
is there a ltsp channel in portuguese?
Or someone who talk portuguese here?
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