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Channel log from 6 June 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 08:23 | <cdealer> hi ... Im making some tests with ltsp5 and ubuntu 8.04... after the install I notice that the tftp server is not starting up ... I tried /etc/init.d/tftp-hpa start but there are no output, so I forced with /usr/sbin/in.tftp -l -s /var/lib/tftpboot but the client still cant boot...
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| 08:24 | <cyberorg> cdealer, tftp should be handled by inetd
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| 08:25 | <cdealer> cyberorg, but after apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone opensshserver it shouldnt already be ready to boot the client ?
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| 08:26 | obs, I have made the ltsp-build-clients to
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| 08:27 | <cyberorg> cdealer, i haven't much idea about how it is done on ubuntu, we handle tftp server via xinetd on opensuse
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| 08:30 | <laga> cdealer: what's in /var/log/daemon.log?
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| 08:33 | <cdealer> Hmmm Im rebooting now... I notice that on my boot cd I havent the LTSP install option after pressing F4
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| 08:38 | <barton`ello> hello 2all. Could you help me? I`ve kubuntu 7.10 with ltsp (probably 5). After I`ve configured it and I`ve tryed to login in kdm-login screen. It seems that kdm crashes, and I return to the kdm-login window again... What could help me? /tmp at host and clien system has 777 permitions, "LDM_REMOTECMD=/usr/bin/startkde" to lts.conf I`ve added. And I can ssh to host from tty1.
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| 08:38 | sorry for my english)
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| 08:39 | <cdealer> laga, there are a lot of things in the daemon log but no keyword tftp
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| 08:39 | cyberorg, tftp is already on inet
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| 08:48 | laga, after trying to start manualy the tftp server it gives me on daemon.log an error saying that cannot bind to localsocket: Address Already in use O.o
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| 08:49 | <laga> it's probably already running ;)
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| 08:50 | yeah, it's started from inetd.
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| 08:50 | what's the problem exactly?
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| 08:50 | <cdealer> laga, the client cant boot. The last line on the boot screen is TFTP
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| 08:51 | the client gets an ip from dhcp, when the image loading was to start it only prints TFTP
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| 08:51 | so I came to the server and ran ps aux | grep tftp and find nothing
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| 09:14 | <Gadi> cdealer: grep next-server /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 09:20 | <cdealer> Gadi, I havent this option enabled. Now I booted my client, but the screen get black after the UBUNTU loading
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| 09:24 | With ubuntu 7.04 and 7.10 the installation occours without problems, are very smooth ... Im thinking so weird this issues
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| 09:27 | <Gadi> cdealer: what kind of client video chip?
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| 09:34 | <cdealer> Gadi, SiS M741
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| 09:36 | <Gadi> cdealer: so, on the client, you get the ubuntu boot splash, after which the screen goes blank and ldm does not appear?
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| 09:36 | is that correct?
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| 09:40 | <cdealer> yeah, exactly
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| 09:45 | <Gadi> can you ctrl-alt-f1 and get to a login?
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| 09:46 | if yes, create a root password, reroll the image, reboot the client, login, and tak a look at the xorg logs
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| 09:46 | it sounds like you have video issues
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| 09:47 | alternatively, set XSERVER=vesa in your lts.conf
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| 09:47 | and see if you get ldm to come up
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| 09:47 | my guess is that if you have a sis chipset, you probably are using a very crappy (read cheap) thin client - so, it may be working fine and just extremely slow
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| 09:48 | is this one of the 200MHz SIS clients?
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| 09:56 | <rjune__> Gadi: !
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| 09:59 | <cdealer> Gadi, Hmm no... is a p4 3.0ht Itautec Infoway
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| 10:00 | what I think strange, is that I never had problems with the previous version of ubuntu
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| 10:05 | <Q-FUNK> lns: howdy. did the test work?
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| 10:10 | <Gadi> cdealer: why should you find that strange? feisty LTSP was completely different than gutsy which completely changed again with hardy :)
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| 10:11 | <Gadi> but, gutsy and hardy were more similar to each other
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| 10:11 | <davidj> Gadi!
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| 10:11 | <Gadi> but drivers and such have changed
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| 10:11 | davidj! rjune!
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| 10:12 | <davidj> How are things? I know I've been quiet lately.
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| 10:12 | <Gadi> davidj: are you suffering from the tornados and such down south?
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| 10:12 | <davidj> I'm hoping to hack on some things this weekend.
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| 10:12 | No, the tornados are in Kansas. It's just hot here (around 100 F)
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| 10:13 | <Gadi> ah - I thought even DC was getting hit
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| 10:13 | and figured if it could make it that far east...
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| 10:13 | <davidj> Gadi, where's Warren's cvs repo for ltsp? I'd like to download it and try it out.
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| 10:14 | <Gadi> you mean bzr?
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| 10:14 | <davidj> We've been spared, so far. We do get tornadoes from time to time, though.
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| 10:14 | Yes, I mean bzr.
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| 10:15 | (sorry, cvs is short for "place where the interesting stuff is kept") :-)
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| 10:15 | <Gadi> lol
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| 10:15 | you can prolly grab upstream bzr stuff
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| 10:15 | lemme pull up url
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| 10:16 | https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/
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| 10:16 | <davidj> thanks!
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| 10:16 | <Gadi> that'll show ya the branches
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| 10:17 | <davidj> Think you'll make it to Maine this year?
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| 10:17 | <Gadi> in the fall?
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| 10:18 | <davidj> Yes (although I suppose you could argue that it makes more sense to go there in August, and go to Florida in the fall)
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| 10:18 | <Gadi> lol
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| 10:18 | I go where they tell me
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| 10:18 | :)
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| 10:19 | <davidj> :)
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| 10:24 | <davidj> thanks for the url, I'm pulling it down now.
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| 10:46 | <Q-FUNK> http://q-funk.blogspot.com/2008/06/kuradne-geode-draiveri.html
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| 11:19 | <TheBartman> anyone around
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| 11:22 | <sutula> Whew...everyone can come out from under the covers again :)
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| 11:28 | <davidj> Gadi, talk to you next week. Hope you have a great weekend!
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| 11:34 | <x86> LOL
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| 12:42 | <cdealer> ok, I made a full clean install and after configuring everything now its working. Why some java applications are very very slow? In the other server running ubuntu 7.10 is normal... any ideia ?
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| 12:51 | <cdealer> this applet loads from a https connection ... this can have influence in the performance ?
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| 12:54 | if I connect to the application from the server the performance is perfect, but is if from the client every action inside the java application take too long ...
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| 13:12 | <Gadi> cdealer: are you using LDM_DIRECTX?
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| 13:20 | <cdealer> Gadi, Hmm if I know what this is I could say something about it hhehe =X What is it ?
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| 13:22 | better, what this do
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| 13:23 | ok, I googled for it already
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| 13:25 | I was asking for my self... its possible to install the same ltsp version from ubuntu 7.10 on 8.04? I need some upgrade from 8.04 but ltsp on 7.10 was perfect for me
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| 13:28 | <johnny> doubtful
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| 13:28 | at least not unless you make it happen
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| 13:28 | if you twiddle enough bits you might make it work, but nobody will support that ltsp
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| 13:28 | i know i won't
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| 13:38 | <cdealer> Hmmm yeah ... was what i was thinking ... =/
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| 13:45 | <cdealer> one other ideia that im up to test is the ltsp on other distro, like opensuse... anyone knows a good tutorial on how to setup ltsp5 on it?
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| 13:47 | <johnny> no idea
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| 13:47 | but there are less suse people than ubuntu people
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| 13:48 | you'll have to wait longer for answers
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| 13:48 | etc
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| 13:48 | <cdealer> haha yeah... this could be a issue
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| 13:48 | but Im want just to make a test... could be good for knoledge
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| 13:49 | <johnny> well.. go ahead :)
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| 13:49 | search for it
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| 13:50 | <cdealer> yeah .. im digging for it hehe
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| 13:52 | is there any pay support for ltsp ?
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| 13:52 | <johnny> uhmm.. not from ltsp itself..
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| 13:52 | but i'm sure you could work something out
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| 13:53 | <ogra> http://www.ubuntu.com/support/paid
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| 13:53 | <cdealer> we are doing this here, many test, configurations, tries.. but in the end we arent the people who develope, we dont have a complete know how of ltsp, and sometimes I know its very annoying making questions
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| 13:54 | <lns> cdealer, that's why there are other people to bounce questions/ideas off of here (and like ogra mentioned, paid support)
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| 13:54 | <lns> Between everyone, IMHO, it's much much better support than from any closed-source product
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| 13:55 | <cdealer> ogra, the paid support mentioned there isnt just for ubuntu itself?
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| 13:55 | <ogra> cdealer, for ubuntu thin client servers
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| 13:56 | as mentioned in the pricelist
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| 13:56 | <cdealer> I realy apreciate your support, very good and fast, but I think its cool to help who develop paying for support and stuff like that, im on this policy
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| 13:56 | ogra, if they could support ltsp is something Im realy going to digg for mo information
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| 13:57 | <ogra> well, thats why canonical paid a fultime dev to implement muecow as ltsp5 for two years :)
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| 13:57 | <cdealer> Hmm good, this was something I didnt know
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| 13:58 | <ogra> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5
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| 13:58 | there is some history
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| 13:58 | its a bit outdated though
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| 14:10 | <cdealer> ogra, im sending a contact form to ubuntu hoping they get in contact
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| 14:10 | <ogra-ume> they will :)
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| 14:31 | <ogra-ume> yo, vagrantc
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| 14:35 | <johnny> ogra, sup with your travel plans now?
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| 14:36 | <itais> hi, I'm having problems using X_MOUSE_DEVICE = /dev/ttyS0 & X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = intellimouse in lts.conf, the client ignores it..
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| 14:36 | any possible idea?
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| 14:39 | <ogra> it should run inputattach for that
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| 14:39 | (which attaches the serial mouse automatically to /dev/input/mice)
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| 14:39 | <vagrantc> ogra: hi
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| 14:39 | <itais> ogra: i don't understand what you mean O:-)
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| 14:40 | theorically the xorg.conf will parse lts.conf and add those parameters...
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| 14:40 | <vagrantc> i wouldn't be surprised if serial mouse support was broken...
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| 14:40 | <ogra> vagrantc, it works fine here
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| 14:40 | <vagrantc> it needs inputattach from the joystick package on debian
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| 14:40 | <itais> if I modify by hand the xorg.conf it works perfectly
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| 14:40 | <ogra> oh, you dont have inputattach as separate package
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| 14:41 | <itais> but writting the parameters on lts.conf , it 's ignored
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| 14:41 | <ogra> it uses inputattach
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| 14:41 | as soon as you use lts.conf with ttyS0
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| 14:41 | <vagrantc> but it requires to use the inputattach protocol names rather than the X.org protocol names
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| 14:42 | <ogra> apart from auto they are identical
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| 14:42 | <warren> vagrantc: have you tried the X_CONF setting with our recent upstream?
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| 14:42 | after you redid the scripts
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| 14:42 | <vagrantc> i tried after i rewrote the scripts, but not much since
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| 14:42 | <itais> vagrantc: do you mean that I must install xserver-xorg-input-joystick to use a serial mouse, even if I add X_MOUSE_DEVICE = /dev/ttyS0 to the lts.conf file?
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| 14:43 | <ogra-ume> itais: apt-get install joysitck in teh chroot
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| 14:43 | <vagrantc> itais: there is a package called "joystick" that needs to be installed to use serial mice with the /dev/*input
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| 14:43 | thingy
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| 14:43 | <itais> to get the serial mouse working? :-D it's not very intutitive
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| 14:43 | <ogra-ume> no
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| 14:43 | thats why we fixed that in ubuntu by splitting out inputattach
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| 14:44 | we should push that to debian too
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| 14:44 | <johnny> ogra-ume, .... si?
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| 14:44 | <ogra-ume> saves me one merge every release cycle
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| 14:44 | <itais> but, still, I don't understand why lts.conf is ignored. It's suppossed lts.conf would force those parameters ignoring autodetection, or I've missed something
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| 14:44 | <vagrantc> ogra: i think y'all just split out inputattach to not have the whole of the joystick package in main
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| 14:44 | <ogra-ume> vagrantc: and because the app doesnt belong in there
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| 14:45 | <vagrantc> itais: the logic for serial mouse support is ... picky.
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| 14:45 | <ogra-ume> its a serial protocol parser
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| 14:45 | johnny: ?
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| 14:45 | <johnny> ogra-ume, i asked about your travel plans
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| 14:45 | <ogra-ume> not done yet
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| 14:45 | i will come but didnt book yet
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| 14:45 | <johnny> ok
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| 14:46 | <ogra-ume> i need to sort some paper crap with my passport first ...
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| 14:46 | your wonderful country wont let me in anymore if i dont register in advance :P
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| 14:47 | but my passport doesnt match my current address ...
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| 14:47 | <johnny> :(
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| 14:48 | <ogra-ume> silly law change
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| 14:48 | <ltsppbot> "vagrantc" pasted "configure_serial_mouse function" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/539
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| 14:48 | <vagrantc> itais: that's the logic to enable serial mice ...
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| 14:49 | <ogra> it stems from a time where we were reluctant to touch xorg.conf with sed :)
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| 14:49 | so having an app that just attacheds serial mice to the default mouse device set in the config was more convenient
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| 14:50 | <vagrantc> i think it's more elegant, actually.
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| 14:50 | <ogra> well, but we rape xorg.conf with evil sed scripts anyway now
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| 14:50 | <itais> mmm, but that avoid me testing if it works at home, where I don't have that machine with the serial mice
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| 14:50 | <ogra> so the initial reason for it is gone
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| 14:51 | just take the mouse with you ?
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| 14:54 | <itais> too late, I'm already at home testing with vbox in my laptop, and the clients with their mice are not with me :-/
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| 14:54 | <ogra-ume> meh
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| 14:55 | <alkisg> Yeah! LTSP works fine over NAT! :D
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| 14:55 | <itais> anyway, vagrantc: this should be documented on a Debian.Readme, or in the examples of the ltsp-client package: you need to install the joystick package when using serial mice ;-)
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| 14:55 | <ogra-ume> you should just make ltsp-client depend on it, realy
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| 14:56 | +l
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| 14:56 | <alkisg> vagrantc, ogra, would it be possible to transfer lts.conf in binary mode? dnsmasq had problems till the last version, virtualbox also has problems...
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| 14:56 | <ogra-ume> vbox works fine for me here
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| 14:56 | i do most of my work in it
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| 14:56 | <alkisg> with nat? does it transfer lts.conf?
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| 14:56 | it doesn't support ascii mode
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| 14:56 | <vagrantc> ogra-ume: with dnsmasq as your tftp server?
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| 14:56 | <ogra-ume> with an internal network and virtual clients
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| 14:57 | no, indeed not
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| 14:57 | wih teh ubuntu defaults
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| 14:57 | <alkisg> just a "bin\nget lts.conf" in ltsp_nbd, would it break anything?
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| 14:57 | <vagrantc> itais: i think i avoided making it a dependency for some reason .. but i could add it as a dependency in the next upload. i just haven't been testing serial mouse support.
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| 14:57 | itais: please file a bug about it when you get a chance to test it
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| 14:58 | <itais> vagrantc: I don't think a depedency should be done, maybe a recommends is enough
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| 14:58 | and, of course, document it, please
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| 14:58 | I'll test it next week, as now I'm far away from that server
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| 14:58 | <ogra-ume> alkisg: rove me that openbsd-tftpd can handle it, then i have no prob to change it
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| 14:58 | *prove
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| 14:58 | errr
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| 14:58 | tftpd-hpa, sorry
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| 14:58 | <vagrantc> itais: well, ltsp-client should depend on everything needed to have all the ltsp features. ltsp-client-core is for people who want to do weird things.
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| 14:59 | <laga> yay for weird things.
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| 14:59 | <vagrantc> ogra-ume: tftpd-hpa works fine with binary
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| 14:59 | <itais> another funny thing: when executing ltsp-update-image, network-manager looses the wireless connection for some seconds ;-)
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| 14:59 | <alkisg> ogra, ok, I'll try to find someone with openbsd because I've never installed it :)
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| 14:59 | oh, ok, sure, tftp works fine in ubuntu
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| 14:59 | (with binary mode)
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| 14:59 | <ogra-ume> alkisg: openbsd-inetd is what debian and ubuntu use by default
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| 14:59 | i just mixed inet/tftp
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| 14:59 | <vagrantc> and hpa and bsd
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| 14:59 | :)
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| 15:00 | <ogra-ume> pfft
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| 15:00 | abbreviations ...
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| 15:00 | <vagrantc> ogra-ume: at any rate, i tested a one-line patch to download the lts.conf via tftpd-hpa on debian sid, and it worked fine.
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| 15:01 | <ogra-ume> great
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| 15:01 | <alkisg> I've tried all the combinations, report: dnsmasq OK with everything in 2.42, dhcp3-server crashes with bootp clients, virtualbox 1.6.2 still doesn't support binary tftp. Everything else OK.
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| 15:01 | <vagrantc> ogra-ume: i'd be surprised if it didn't work in ubuntu as well
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| 15:01 | <ogra-ume> lets add it :)
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| 15:01 | <alkisg> (all the tests in hardy 8.04)
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| 15:02 | <ogra-ume> wonderful
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| 15:03 | <alkisg> ...and the problems with configure-x.sh seem to be fixed in proposed, thanks
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| 15:04 | <ogra-ume> well, there are still some left, but the pressing ones are
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| 15:05 | <vagrantc> ogra-ume: i see that you sync'ed ltspfs :)
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| 15:07 | <ogra-ume> yeah
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| 15:07 | will do teh same with ldm i think
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| 15:08 | as you cn see on my nick i'm busy with other stuff again :/
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| 15:09 | my HW shrinks by 50% with every release :P
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| 15:12 | <alkisg> er, a mistake: "....virtualbox 1.6.2. still doesn't support *netascii* in tftp". :)
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| 15:14 | <vagrantc> ogra-ume: i like ume plum vinegar :)
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| 15:14 | <ogra-ume> heh
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| 15:14 | i cant eat this ume ... sadly
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| 15:15 | <vagrantc> well, maybe you could eat it, just not digest it.
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| 15:15 | <ogra> http://blog.qa.ubuntu.com/node/11+
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| 15:15 | oh
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| 15:15 | http://blog.qa.ubuntu.com/node/11
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| 15:45 | <johnny> alkisg, wtf is netascii vs ascii ?
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| 15:45 | <alkisg> johnny, its in the tftp specification, meaning 8bit chars
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| 15:46 | ascii is only 7bit
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| 15:47 | <ogra> aasscciiii is 14bit :)
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| 15:47 | <alkisg> :D
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| 15:47 | <vagrantc> with the size of files we're transferring, i'd find it hard to imagine binary being slower than any ascii transfer
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| 15:47 | or really, vice-versa
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| 15:47 | <alkisg> irrelevant: how do we upgrade the chroot kernel to a newer version? apt-get update in the chroot?
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| 15:47 | <ogra> yes
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| 15:48 | <vagrantc> or re-install ...
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| 15:48 | <ogra> ltsp-update-kernels outside the chroot afterwards
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| 15:48 | <alkisg> thanks, and how to update nbd? /usr/lib/ltsp/update-kernels ?
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| 15:48 | (in the chroot)
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| 15:49 | <ogra> if you get a new linux-image-something it will be run from the packages postinst
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| 15:49 | do that only if you want to manually update the nbi image
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| 15:49 | <alkisg> thanks ogra
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| 15:50 | <vagrantc> but you'll need to run ltsp-update-image if you want to upate the nbD image
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| 15:50 | <ogra> right
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| 15:50 | <vagrantc> i.e. if it installed new kernel modules and such
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| 15:50 | <ogra> that in any case
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| 15:50 | if anything in /boot in the chroot changed you need to run it
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| 15:50 | <alkisg> oh, I get it. But if I only change e.g. ltsp_nbd, I don't have to update image...
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| 15:50 | <vagrantc> well, you can usually get away with not running it ...
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| 15:51 | if it's the same kernel ABI ...
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| 15:51 | but best to update it.
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| 15:51 | <alkisg> Thank you guys!
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| 15:51 | <ogra> if you change ltsp_nbd which lives in the initramfs, you need to actually update the initramfs in the chroot
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| 15:51 | <vagrantc> alkisg: and if ogra-ume sync's ldm soon, you'll have your greek translation in ubuntu :)
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| 15:51 | <ogra> which changes files in /boot :)
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| 15:52 | <alkisg> Yeah!!! Greek at last! :)
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| 15:52 | <vagrantc> we've managed to get quite the collection of languages for ldm in a short time
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| 15:52 | <ogra> vagrantc, dont make such promises :) i'm not sure i can get it in as SRU ... meaning it will be a backport
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| 15:52 | <alkisg> and with configure-x.sh, it'll even work with no lts.conf!!!!
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| 15:52 | <ogra> which gets complicated with chroots
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| 15:53 | <vagrantc> ogra: oh, i mean intrepid
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| 15:53 | <ogra> guess i have to write a howto :/
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| 15:53 | well, hardy is the main focus for us still
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| 15:53 | <vagrantc> well, that's probably a good thing.
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| 15:54 | <ogra> until 8.04.1 a lot of resources go into hardy
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| 15:54 | <alkisg> ogra, hardy is LTS, we (schools) 'll probably stick to it for some time...
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| 15:54 | <ogra> right
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| 15:54 | <vagrantc> i was thinking of writing a plugin to handle backports ... but you have to get into pinning messiness ... which gets tricky.
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| 15:54 | <ogra> thats why we have this policy :)
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| 15:54 | not in ubuntu
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| 15:54 | no need for pinning
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| 15:55 | <vagrantc> ogra: you have per-package repositories?
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| 15:55 | <ogra> no, but higher prio for backports than you
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| 15:55 | <vagrantc> i miss how backports.org used to have that ... each package was it's own component, which made it really easy to be selective
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| 15:55 | <ogra> and an upgrade tool that disables backports on upgrades
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| 15:56 | so they stay out of your way
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| 15:56 | <vagrantc> ogra: well, it would be easy to enable all backports or disable all backports ... but one that only enables ltsp* and ldm ... that's tricky.
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| 15:56 | <ogra> gets only hairy with security
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| 15:56 | yeah
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| 15:56 | <vagrantc> that's why i've used a separate repository for the etch backports this whole time.
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| 15:56 | <ogra> well, thats what PPAs are for
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| 15:57 | <vagrantc> i should experiment with pinning, though ... it shouldn't be that difficult to get right.
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| 15:57 | <ogra> ask Q-Funk, he makes massive use of it and the ease of use for users gets him actually testr
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| 15:57 | <vagrantc> since the set of backported packages is pretty small.
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| 15:57 | i.e. ltsp-client, ltsp-client-core, ldm, ltspfsd ...
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| 15:57 | <ogra> *testers
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| 16:05 | <alkisg> ...I see my typos after 10 minutes, I meant nbI, not nbD, at least you understood me! :D
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| 16:21 | <gbolte> hey guys have any of you experienced an issue with ltsp 5 where monitors go to sleep and not wake up unless you unplug them from the pc and plug them back in
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| 16:24 | <sutula> gbolte: If you don't get an answer that more directly addresses the issue, you can probably at least change the properties of the displays with xset
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| 16:24 | I do that for a monitor that should be on all the time during the day (activity or not) and off at night
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| 16:25 | <gbolte> yeah I think it may be the users monitor...I have a newer samsung and she has a POS I dont know what brand
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| 16:26 | mine dosent get stuck asleep and hers dose
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| 16:26 | kinda odd
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| 16:28 | <sutula> gbolte: Anyway, with xset (for her only possibly), you can keep it from ever going into power-down state, just blanking instead
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| 16:28 | <gbolte> ah
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| 16:29 | <sutula> You can also use xset to put it into power-down state right away, in case you want to try to figure out what's happening
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| 16:29 | ...instead if waiting a long time
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| 16:29 | <gbolte> yeah I set gnome to never power off the monitor but it didnt listen
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| 16:29 | :/
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| 16:30 | I will give it a try with xset though and see what happens
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| 16:35 | <gbolte> I dont suppose anyone here knows anything of pam_nam
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| 16:36 | :/
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| 17:00 | <alkis1> ogra,vagrantc, if you're going to modify ltsp_nbd, you may also fix a small bug in the line: tftpath=$(echo ${filename%/*}|tr -d '"') Example: filename=ltsp3.pxe (no path info) => tftpath=ltsp3.pxe instead of /
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| 17:01 | <ogra-ume> mind to file a bug ?
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| 17:01 | <alkis1> No problem, link? :)
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| 17:02 | <ogra> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+filebug
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| 17:02 | <alkis1> Thanks
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| 17:14 | <alkis1> ogra, vagrantc, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/238010 Thanks and good night!
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| 17:15 | <ogra> thanks
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