IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 14 July 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:16 | <supreme__> good night humans
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| 08:06 | <jammcq> g'morning friends
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| 08:17 | <highvoltage> you forgot to greet the kids. hrmph.
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| 08:21 | <cliebow> Hi kids!!
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| 08:22 | <sunru> hello, is it .xsession or .Xsession?
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| 08:23 | I put startkde in .xsession but it still loads gnome as default.
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| 08:23 | <cliebow> sunru, which distro?
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| 08:24 | <sunru> debian
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| 08:24 | ldm doesn't remember the users last selected session afaik,
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| 08:25 | <Gadi> sunru: do you have a ~/.dmrc?
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| 08:25 | <cliebow> vagrantc is out..he would know for sure
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| 08:25 | Gadi would know 8~)
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| 08:25 | Gadi knows all..
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| 08:25 | <sunru> a .dmrc ???
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| 08:25 | <Gadi> :P
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| 08:25 | <sunru> please point to a doc that mentions that and please let it not be an IRC abnormally.
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| 08:25 | * sunru has never heard of a .dmrc file. | |
| 08:25 | <Gadi> sunru: .dmrc is an xdg standard file
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| 08:26 | prolly something on freedesktop.org
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| 08:26 | * Gadi checks | |
| 08:26 | <cliebow> moine says Session=default
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| 08:26 | <sunru> using ldm?
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| 08:26 | <cliebow> sorry for the accent
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| 08:27 | <Gadi> http://library.gnome.org/admin/gdm/stable/configuration.html.en#userconfig
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| 08:27 | well, thats from gdm
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| 08:27 | Im sure kde writes there, too
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| 08:27 | and ldm started writing there since jaunty, I believe
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| 08:27 | so we could be freedesktop compliant
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| 08:28 | <sunru> dmrc is ubuntu correct?
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| 08:28 | because who ever thought that up..
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| 08:29 | <Gadi> no - it is xdg
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| 08:29 | freedesktop.org
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| 08:29 | it is a common configuration file for xdg-compliant display managers to record a user's session/language choice
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| 08:29 | it was thought up by a consortium
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| 08:29 | :)
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| 08:29 | <sunru> asif .xsession wasn't enough ffs.
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| 08:30 | <Gadi> .xsession serves a different purpose
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| 08:30 | if your choice is "Default" in .dmrc, and you have a .xsession, you will get your .xsession
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| 08:30 | but, if you chose Gnome, I am not sure that you will
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| 08:31 | <Gadi> but who uses .xsession anyways these days?
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| 08:31 | <clickingmouse> anyhows my issue was solved yesterday by disabling the iptable...
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| 08:31 | <Gadi> create a .desktop file in /usr/share/xsessions/
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| 08:31 | :P
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| 08:32 | <sunru> hmm ok.
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| 08:33 | I need to setup a default user profile then.
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| 08:33 | <Gadi> it was thought up by a consortium
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| 08:33 | dude, that never made any difference.
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| 08:34 | a clique is a clique.
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| 08:34 | <Gadi> well,
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| 08:34 | (09:28:30 AM) sunru: because who ever thought that up..
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| 08:34 | just answering a question
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| 08:34 | :P
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| 08:34 | <sunru> er
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| 08:34 | you know the history of X right?
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| 08:34 | in fact you know the history of unix?
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| 08:35 | <Gadi> you know the history of any technology or protocol or standard?
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| 08:35 | <sunru> No i don't give a shit how smart you think you are.
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| 08:35 | <Gadi> yikes
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| 08:35 | <sunru> I'm just saying, i could wipe my arse for all eternity with all the crap thats been thought up.
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| 08:36 | bye
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| 08:36 | <Gadi> well, there's a cheerful way to start my day
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| 08:37 | <ogra> wow
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| 08:37 | nice conversation
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| 08:37 | <Gadi> was it something I said?
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| 08:37 | :)
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| 08:38 | <ogra> i dont think so
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| 08:42 | <alkisg> Darn, you didn't even have time to tell him anything about his momma's fat client...
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| 08:42 | <cliebow> lol
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| 08:44 | * Gadi makes a note to get coffee first and answer questions second | |
| 08:44 | <Gadi> :)
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| 08:45 | <cliebow> ya sticks your neck out and look what happens
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| 09:18 | <bieb> Wow .. I missed all the fun
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| 09:19 | <cliebow> oh bleep bleep bleep
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| 09:31 | <ogra> stgraber, around ?
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| 09:50 | <stgraber> ogra: yeah
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| 09:51 | <ogra> stgraber, new kernel brings aufs back ;)
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| 09:53 | <stgraber> ogra: yep, saw that. I guess I'll wait for udhcpc to be moved to main and then tag a new ltsp + upload
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| 09:53 | that'll bring quite a lot of change that'll need testing
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| 09:54 | <CrypTom> hi all, how do you handle installations with several hundred users? My script (importing the users from a file) fails after putting some hundred users in one group (e.g. fuse). after that, it claims that the group fuse does not exist
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| 09:55 | I think it is because the fuse line in /etc/group is getting too long
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| 09:58 | <ogra> stgraber, is the MIR approved ?
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| 10:14 | <stgraber> ogra: yeah
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| 10:14 | ogra: there were two remaining issues that I discussed with Kees yesterday, so asac was fine with it and wanted a security review and now kees is happy too
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| 10:15 | <ogra> cool
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| 11:22 | <GGD> has anyone seen the fedora ltsp guru?
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| 11:30 | <ogra> !seen warren
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| 11:30 | <ltspbot> ogra: warren was last seen in #ltsp 1 week, 5 days, 18 hours, 55 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <warren> g
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| 11:30 | <ogra> GGD, ^^^^^
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| 11:31 | GGD, he is not around often anymore, only dropping by every few weeks
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| 11:33 | <GGD> dang and i had a f10 question for him
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| 11:33 | btw thanks for the code
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| 11:33 | <ogra> :)
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| 11:35 | <marks256> Sound works on my client for a few seconds, then it stops working, and sound is routed to the server's audio then! The sound no longer appears for the client. Anybody have any ideas why this could be?
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| 11:42 | <Ahmuck> marks256: report it as a bug. i've reported it, find the bug and add on to it
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| 11:42 | kinda exhausted the help in this channel
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| 11:43 | on an odd note, upgraded kubuntu and now i've lost sound on the stand alone :(
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| 11:43 | <marks256> Ahmuck, apparently :( i'll report it. i've never reported a bug though.
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| 11:44 | <Ahmuck> google ubuntu bugs
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| 11:44 | <marks256> ok
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| 11:44 | <Ahmuck> you'll need to create a launchpad account
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| 11:44 | <marks256> i've already got a launchpad account
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| 11:44 | <Ahmuck> after creating the launchpad account search for ltsp sound server
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| 11:44 | the bug should show up. i'll be back, i'm re-booting to see what's wrong with the stand alone
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| 11:44 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 11:45 | <marks256> sbalneav, morning
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| 11:48 | <sbalneav> marks256: Reporting an ubuntu bug is good, but you might also get some answers either on the pulseaudio mailing list, or they might even have a channel here on freenode
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| 11:48 | They do
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| 11:48 | #pulseaudio
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| 11:48 | <marks256> sbalneav, :( now i see why people pay good money for server software...
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| 11:49 | sbalneav, i'll check out #pulseaudio
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| 11:49 | <Ahmuck> marks256: find the bug yet?
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| 11:49 | <marks256> Ahmuck, not sure... what is the title?
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| 11:49 | <Ahmuck> i'll locate it
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| 11:50 | <ltsppbot> "sbalneav" pasted "pulse audio starting parameters" (14 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/445
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| 11:51 | <Ahmuck> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/236936 - related
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| 11:51 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/274128 - also having problems with
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| 11:51 | <marks256> sbalneav, what's the paste?
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| 11:52 | <Ahmuck> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/360355 - the one
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| 11:52 | <Ahmuck> on a side note, i'm not sure anybody has identified the cause yet. i think the cause is that pulse audio appears to die on the client, transferring the sound option to the server
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| 11:53 | so, it appears to be entirely related to pulse audio
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| 11:53 | <maginot> good afternoon ... can someone tell me some pci gigabit nic model that does pxe boot? I want to buy some board to update my 10/100 clients but can't find some good pxe models
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| 11:53 | <sbalneav> I've broached the topic in #pulseaudio
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| 11:53 | <Ahmuck> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/396709
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| 11:54 | this is also the same bug, different symptom
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| 11:54 | they are all related, now as i looking at all the bugs
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| 11:54 | <Lns> Ahmuck, are they all triaged?
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| 11:54 | <marks256> Ahmuck, so it seems. I had sound working on my client last night for about 5 mintues (longer than i've had before) then it crapped out again, and re-routed sound to the server
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| 11:55 | <Ahmuck> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=ltsp+server+sound&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
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| 11:55 | Lns: not sure
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| 11:56 | getting that fixed, as well as the localapps issue would sure help us on our end alot. i think 80 of our bugs, crashes, and general onernies is related to those two things
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| 11:56 | <sbalneav> marks256: don't muddy the waters, stick with distro-supplied packages unless they suggest using something else.
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| 11:57 | <marks256> sbalneav, great so now i have to uninstall 9.15? :(
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| 11:57 | 0
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| 11:57 | <sbalneav> Was it any better for you?
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| 11:57 | <marks256> oops
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| 11:57 | sbalneav, for a while it was, but now it back to the same errors
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| 11:58 | sbalneav, it doesn't actually crash rhythmbox anymore. But it still errors out and terminates pulseaudio
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| 11:58 | <sbalneav> So, no diff. Then no loss. This is called debugging: it's a long, slow, onerous process. You may get this problem solved today. You may get it solved 6 months from now, you may never get it solved.
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| 11:59 | <marks256> sbalneav, i hate debugging. :) yet it really is most of the thrill. ;)
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| 11:59 | <Ahmuck> ow, never get it solved ?!
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| 11:59 | <Lns> As far as the LP bug reports linked above, I will triage them all to the bug with most subscribers on it unless anyone has any opposition.. Ahmuck, if you're sure they are all related to the same issue as well
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| 11:59 | <Ahmuck> is SDL being worked on?
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| 11:59 | Lns: it's all tied to pulse audio
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| 11:59 | <sbalneav> Well, unless you want to become a pulse developer yourself :)
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| 12:00 | <Ahmuck> and the symptoms are pretty much the same
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| 12:00 | <sbalneav> Remember: they're under no obligation to fix any bug for us :)
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| 12:00 | <Ahmuck> who's under no obligation?
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| 12:00 | <sbalneav> Anyone.
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| 12:00 | <Ahmuck> well, not until support contracts are paid
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| 12:00 | <sbalneav> This is Free Software.
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| 12:01 | <marks256> sbalneav, to be fair it isn't just for "us." it's opensource, so they have an obligation to themselves as programmers ;)
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| 12:01 | <Ahmuck> which i've been considering to get ltsp working correctly. need a few more months to raise that cash
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| 12:01 | <sbalneav> marks256: Let me ask you a question: what obligation do you think I have to you at this point? :)
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| 12:01 | * Lns doesn't like this "them" and "us" stuff | |
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| 12:01 | <marks256> sbalneav, absolutly none
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| 12:02 | <sbalneav> Bingo.
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| 12:03 | <sbalneav> In Free Software, you have two, and only two choices: 1) Convince an existing developer that the problem is interesting or important enough for him/her to solve 2) fix it yourself.
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| 12:03 | <Gadi> Ahmuck: not to stick my neck out again, but do you have libasound2-plugins installed on server or client?
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| 12:03 | <marks256> sbalneav, exactly.
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| 12:03 | <Ahmuck> Gadi: i'll check
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| 12:03 | <Gadi> be gentle
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| 12:03 | :)
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| 12:03 | <sbalneav> Morning Gadi!
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| 12:04 | * Gadi nurses previous burns from themorning | |
| 12:04 | <Gadi> !s
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| 12:04 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 12:04 | <sbalneav> You burn youself?
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| 12:04 | Not seriously I hope?
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| 12:04 | <Lns> sbalneav, where "Fix it yourself" means two choices: Fix it YOURSELF, or be the champion of collaborating with those who *can* fix it
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| 12:04 | <Gadi> no - figuratively
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| 12:04 | *figuritively\
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| 12:04 | crap
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| 12:04 | <sbalneav> Lns: Your two is my one
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| 12:04 | * Lns hands Gadi a pint | |
| 12:05 | <sbalneav> Lns: properly is 1) fix it YOURSELF 2) YOU pay someone to fix it :)
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| 12:05 | <Lns> sbalneav, well..i guess i mean collaborating with those outside of the existing developers
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| 12:05 | <marks256> So is this sound issue a jaunty thing? HAS sound worked properly in the past?
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| 12:05 | <Ahmuck_> brb
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| 12:05 | <Lns> marks256, this is the first i've heard of it personally, i run lots of hardy servers
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| 12:05 | <sbalneav> Fortunately, we're pretty easy to convince here in #ltsp that problems are worth fixing, but for some of the software we *use*, it's a little harder.
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| 12:06 | We'll see if anyone bites in #pulseaudio
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| 12:06 | <Gadi> marks256: it is most likely a pulse thing combined with ur audio chipset and alsa version
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| 12:07 | <Gadi> the best debug I know of for pulse is to try running it from command line as root
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| 12:07 | <marks256> Alright. So audio has worked in the past. Ok. Maybe there i some hope then.
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| 12:07 | <marks256> Gadi, i have to kill it first right? then manually start it?
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| 12:07 | <Ahmuck> actually this broke during the 8.10 --> 9.04 upgrade for me
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| 12:07 | <Gadi> I thought it crashes?
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| 12:08 | <marks256> Gadi, it does. But after a while. So manually start it when it crashes?
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| 12:08 | <Ahmuck> Gadi: it gets dropped from the client
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| 12:08 | <Gadi> get it to crash, switch to the thin client console, log in as root, and run the daemon
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| 12:08 | it should give you some nice info
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| 12:08 | <marks256> Gadi, Ahmuck is correct.
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| 12:08 | <bieb> CAN-o-SPAM: you here Alex?
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| 12:08 | <szczym> helo all, im setting up 4-node ltsp network with ubuntu 9.04 - im having problems with booting, it happend only twice and other times its not working at all, client dont get dhcp information and not booting into remote system. could any one please help me ?
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| 12:08 | <sbalneav> Gadi: Wonder if we could hack around it by adding a inittab (or whatever) entry for it so that if pulse kacks out, it gets auto resarted.
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| 12:09 | <maginot> please, anyone know about any pci Gigabit NIC model with pxe boot that I can buy ?
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| 12:09 | <sbalneav> maginot: The intel gig nicks have PXE on them.
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| 12:10 | * Lns duped all above mentioned LP PA bugs to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/236936 | |
| 12:10 | <Gadi> sbalneav: (while :; do pulseaudio $ARGS; done)&
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| 12:10 | <maginot> sbalneav, so any new intel pci nic would be enought
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| 12:10 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 12:10 | but, thats a bandaid
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| 12:10 | <sbalneav> Gadi: that's work too.
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| 12:10 | that's?
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| 12:11 | I need to learn to speak english properly at some point in my life.
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| 12:11 | <Gadi> u get a pass - ur canadian
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| 12:11 | <ogra> Lns, ugh
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| 12:11 | Lns, that was a very bad ise
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| 12:11 | <Lns> ogra, ?
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| 12:11 | <sbalneav> maginot: SHould be OK, yes.
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| 12:11 | <marks256> i got an error trying to restart the daemon manually!
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| 12:11 | <Gadi> szczym: sounds like you have another dhcp server on the same network
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| 12:11 | <sbalneav> I like intel nicks: they always for fine for me.
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| 12:12 | <marks256> i'll paste it quick. i have to manually type it in
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| 12:12 | <ogra> Lns, duping all unrelated PA bugs to one from ages ago
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| 12:12 | <Lns> ogra, unrelated?
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| 12:12 | <ogra> --exit-idle-time=-1 was added by someone to the PA settings
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| 12:12 | <Lns> ogra, the one I duped to had the best description imho
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| 12:12 | <szczym> i have only switch and 2 cables on dhcp interface
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| 12:12 | <ogra> that forces PA to die after a while on the client
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| 12:12 | it wasnt there in pre jaunty
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| 12:13 | <Gadi> szczym: a switch or a router?
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| 12:13 | <szczym> switch: 8 port dling 100mb
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| 12:13 | <Gadi> szczym: that is, does the switch have a dhcp server?
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| 12:13 | <ogra> Lns, the three bugs Ahmuck pointed to above are cleary different bugs and not all related to PA
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| 12:13 | <Lns> ogra, ok i'll undupe them
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| 12:13 | <szczym> gadi: no, my switch have no dhcp
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| 12:14 | <Gadi> szczym: edit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and remove "splash quiet" and reboot
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| 12:14 | the client
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| 12:14 | <ogra> Lns, i'm pretty sure "--exit-idle-time=-1" in the pulse settings is causing marks256's bug
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| 12:14 | <Gadi> szczym: that will tell you where it fails
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| 12:14 | <Ahmuck_> this is neat, i filed a bug a couple days ago about the slider on the server, and someone's fixed it via some update, cause it's working now
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| 12:14 | <ogra> Lns, iirc Gadi added that for localapps
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| 12:14 | <Ahmuck_> Gadi: libasound2-plugins installed
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| 12:14 | <Gadi> I did no such thing
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| 12:15 | <Ahmuck_> already
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| 12:15 | <ogra> then it was warren i guess
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| 12:15 | * Lns unduped them | |
| 12:15 | <szczym> gadi: ok, i test it
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| 12:15 | <Gadi> Ahmuck_: have you also tried running pulseaudio from client console as root when it crashes?
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| 12:15 | <marks256> ogra, what's this?
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| 12:15 | <Ahmuck_> Lns ? unduped them?
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| 12:15 | Gadi: nope, but i can recreate and test that quickly
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| 12:16 | <Gadi> I think that will provide the most info
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| 12:17 | <ogra> marks256, --exit-idle-time=-1 in the pulse startup call tells pulse to exit after the last sample has played ... in that case sound will come out of the server
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| 12:17 | someone added that setting at some point
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| 12:18 | * ogra points to http://pastebot.ltsp.org/445 | |
| 12:19 | <marks256> never mind i guess the errors i got have nothign to do with this bug
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| 12:19 | ogra, so how do i fix that?
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| 12:19 | <ogra> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/789
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| 12:19 | <Lns> Ahmuck, Untriaged
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| 12:20 | <ogra> added shortly before jaunty release
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| 12:20 | by fedora :P
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| 12:21 | <sbalneav> marks256: Well, one assumes the quickest way to fix it would be:
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| 12:21 | <ogra> originally added here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/785
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| 12:22 | <marks256> i would like to apologize to everyone for my being difficult :(
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| 12:22 | <sbalneav> erm
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| 12:22 | Hm
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| 12:22 | it's moved, one sec :)
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| 12:22 | <marks256> sbalneav, ok
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| 12:23 | <Ahmuck_> k, had sound, now no sound
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| 12:23 | Gadi: so what were u wanting me to do ?
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| 12:23 | <marks256> Ahmuck_, how similar are our problems?
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| 12:23 | <sbalneav> ah
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| 12:23 | go to
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| 12:23 | <Gadi> Ahmuck_: well, log into the client, first check if pulse is running (ps -ale|grep pulse)
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| 12:23 | <sbalneav> /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp
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| 12:23 | <ogra> basic !
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| 12:23 | <szczym> gadi: its not that, client still not get dhcp at all
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| 12:24 | <ogra> he said goto !
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| 12:24 | <marks256> good old basic days :)
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| 12:24 | sbalneav, ok i'm going there now
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| 12:24 | <sbalneav> vi ltsp-init-common
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| 12:24 | <Gadi> Ahmuck_: then, if it is not, try running : pulseaudio -vv
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| 12:24 | <sbalneav> and delete the line that says: --exit-idle-time=-1 \
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| 12:24 | save it, and rebuild your image
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| 12:25 | <ogra> Gadi, -ale ? you already think about beer at that time of day ?
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| 12:25 | <sbalneav> if ogra's right, then that may solve the problem.
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| 12:25 | <marks256> sbalneav, which file in /ltsp? ltsp_config?
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| 12:25 | <szczym> i head it booting and then i changed video card on server and its not working since than.
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| 12:25 | * ogra is more a friend of -axe | |
| 12:25 | <sbalneav> ltsp-init-common
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| 12:25 | <ogra> marks256, vi /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/ltsp-init-common
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| 12:25 | <marks256> sbalneav, ok
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| 12:26 | <ogra> reove the line then call sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 12:26 | <Gadi> szczym: it times out at DHCP..... ?
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| 12:26 | <szczym> yes
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| 12:26 | <class1> Gadi: http://pastebin.be/19735
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| 12:27 | <Gadi> szczym: check the server's syslog, it sounds like something is wrong with your dhcp setup (/etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf)
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| 12:27 | szczym: in syslog, you should see a DHCPDISCOVER from the client
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| 12:27 | <ogra> sbalneav, well, i'm only assuming, but give that this was the only major change in sound setup since we added it and it was added shortly before jaunty released *and* jaunty doesnt have sound while hardy had, i would say its very likely :)
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| 12:28 | <sbalneav> It's as good a theory as any.
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| 12:28 | <szczym> gadi: i dont have that message
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| 12:28 | <marks256> so what did/does --exit-idle-time=-1 do anyway?
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| 12:28 | <sbalneav> Beats mine about ancient aztec spirits causing the problem.
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| 12:28 | <sbalneav> marks256: man pulseaudio :)
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| 12:28 | <marks256> sbalneav, right ;) :D
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| 12:29 | <ogra> marks256, it tells pulse to shut down if there is no sound played
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| 12:29 | <Gadi> szczym: check your cables
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| 12:29 | <marks256> ok. image is rebuilt. restarting client...
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| 12:29 | <class1> ogra is leet, using vi and such
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| 12:29 | <marks256> ogra, ok :) thanks
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| 12:29 | <Gadi> ogra: actually, I think warren's attempt was to not have it shutdown
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| 12:29 | hence the "-1"
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| 12:29 | <sbalneav> class1: We all use vi here. Leet is writing programs with cat > prog.c :)
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| 12:30 | <class1> heh
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| 12:30 | <szczym> gadi: i did, i hanged cables, i took working cables from other setup. than i took _working_ switch from other setup and still nothing ...
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| 12:30 | <Ahmuck_> well, i've got some (real work to do tm) ... /me toddles off for a while
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| 12:30 | <ogra> Gadi, it shouldnt shut down at all if started with --system
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| 12:31 | <sbalneav> But, maybe there's a bug. We won't know for sure unless we try :)
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| 12:31 | <ogra> right
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| 12:31 | <bieb> szczym: what kinda switch is it?
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| 12:31 | <ogra> --system[=BOOL]
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| 12:31 | Run as system-wide instance instead of per-user. Please note that this disables certain features of PulseAudio and is generally not recommended unless the system
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| 12:31 | knows no local users (e.g. is a thin client).
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| 12:31 | <szczym> dlink 8 port 100mb
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| 12:32 | <Gadi> ogra: 0.9.11+ is spawned on demand and exits after a timeout, which causes problems
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| 12:32 | with the --system mode that we use since there is no way to spawn it on demand for remote
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| 12:32 | sound clients.
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| 12:32 | <ogra> this is from the 0.9.15 manpage
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| 12:32 | <szczym> i have 2 identical, its working on other setup (but in traditional scenario, not ltsp)
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| 12:32 | <Gadi> I just work here
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| 12:33 | :)
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| 12:33 | <bieb> szczym: which port do you have server in?
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| 12:34 | <szczym> bieb: server is on 5-th
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| 12:34 | clinet is on 7-th
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| 12:35 | <bieb> szczym: this may sound odd.. but put server in 1st and client in anthing between 3-6..
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| 12:38 | <szczym> still no luck
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| 12:38 | <bieb> szczym: how about server in 8 and clients still in 3-6?
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| 12:39 | older small switches had one of the end ports as the "uplink" port
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| 12:39 | <ogra> and sometimes a button to turn that into a real port
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| 12:39 | <marks256> ogra, sbalneav, well i just made it through 2 entire songs, without it crashing... i'm going to go grab some lunch and let it play while i'm gone. hopefully it's still playing when i get back ;)
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| 12:39 | <bieb> true
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| 12:40 | <sbalneav> marks256: Well, that's encouraging.
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| 12:40 | <szczym> bieb: yeah, but i have 2-year old switches, no uplink here
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| 12:40 | <ogra> marks256, great, try using a different sound app as well during your testing, if Gadi's theroy is right that might cause probs
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| 12:40 | <alkisg> szczym: does the client have a floppy or cd to try with gxpe? It's a *lot* easier for debugging
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| 12:41 | <marks256> sbalneav, ogra it jsut crapped out. send audio to server
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| 12:41 | <alkisg> szczym: I.e. you can see exactly what dhcp info reaches the client
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| 12:41 | <ogra> meh
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| 12:41 | <szczym> hmm, i have other clinets to tray
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| 12:42 | should normal (not pxe) clinet get dhcp massage, when connected to "ltsp interfase" ?
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| 12:43 | <alkisg> szczym: depends on dhcpd.conf, if you haven't modified it, then yes.
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| 12:43 | <szczym> hmm
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| 12:43 | it dont get
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| 12:44 | i change a network card, maybe its some phisical distraction
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| 12:44 | <alkisg> You have a normal client there? Can you ping the server with it?
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| 12:44 | <szczym> normal client dont get dhcp also ...
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| 12:46 | <alkisg> Well, you can put a static ip and try to ping the server. If you can't, there's another problem, it's not dhcp related...
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| 12:50 | <szczym> alkisg: i will do so, its a right thing to do will all that wired symptoms ...
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| 13:11 | <rjune_wrk> !o
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| 13:11 | <ltspbot> rjune_wrk: "o" is o is for ogra!!!!!!!!!
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| 13:14 | <Ahmuck_> !a
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| 13:14 | <ltspbot> Ahmuck_: Error: "a" is not a valid command.
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| 13:14 | <rjune_wrk> LOL
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| 13:14 | <Ahmuck_> :)
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| 13:15 | "a" is a is for Awesome Ahmuck
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| 13:16 | <rjune_wrk> !a
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| 13:16 | <ltspbot> rjune_wrk: Error: "a" is not a valid command.
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| 13:16 | <rjune_wrk> still no.
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| 13:16 | <Ahmuck_> :p
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| 13:17 | <rjune_wrk> !a
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| 13:17 | <ltspbot> rjune_wrk: "a" is Awesome Ahmuck
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| 13:17 | <rjune_wrk> There you go.
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| 13:18 | <Ahmuck> :)
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| 13:26 | <GGD> rjune_wrk: do you want to talk here?
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| 13:28 | <GGD> the question that i have is that i want to create a netboot client from f10 and push out a small os package with the bookmarks etc from the server to each machine on the network...
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| 13:28 | <rjune_wrk> Ah.
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| 13:28 | <GGD> and update that when the server updates also when the user logs in it goes to their respective shares
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| 13:29 | <rjune_wrk> I'm not able to help you much with setting up f10 as the netboot OS.
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| 13:29 | <GGD> no f10 is the server...
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| 13:29 | <rjune_wrk> ok.
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| 13:29 | do you have that part working?
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| 13:29 | <GGD> yes
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| 13:29 | the server is up
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| 13:29 | andhumming fine
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| 13:29 | :D
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| 13:29 | <rjune_wrk> ok, so you need the bookmark thing to work, then yes?
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| 13:29 | <GGD> yes
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| 13:29 | most of the apps are websites
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| 13:30 | <rjune_wrk> I think you need to look at Sabyon
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| 13:30 | You are using GNOME, right?
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| 13:30 | <GGD> yea
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| 13:30 | <rjune_wrk> Your question is really one of how do I do this in Fedora. it's not LTSP specific at all.
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| 13:30 | <GGD> but they might have apps that we want to push to the clients too..
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| 13:30 | <rjune_wrk> You don't push apps to the clients
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| 13:30 | <GGD> i suppose
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| 13:30 | <_UsUrPeR_> hey all. anyone versed in iTalc?
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| 13:30 | <rjune_wrk> You push bookmarks to the users.
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| 13:30 | <rjune_wrk> apps are all run on the server.
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| 13:30 | <GGD> ahh
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| 13:31 | <rjune_wrk> *unless* you are actively using local apps
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| 13:31 | Odds are, you aren't doing that though.
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| 13:31 | <GGD> ( cold meds tend to mess you up sometimes)
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| 13:31 | <rjune_wrk> aka, if you don't know, you aren't doing it.
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| 13:31 | <GGD> understood
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| 13:31 | :)
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| 13:31 | <rjune_wrk> ok, so back to your question.
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| 13:32 | <GGD> ok
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| 13:32 | <rjune_wrk> pretty sure sabyon lets you setup a profile, etc.
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| 13:32 | which can push configs to your users.
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| 13:32 | <GGD> ok
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| 13:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> I am getting really, REALLY awful response times from commands entered via the management console of iTalc, and there does not appear to be anything I can do to make it act any quicker. It's as if the program is hung up with network traffic, when in fact it's communicating with a single client. :(
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| 13:32 | <rjune_wrk> Though if you just want bookmarks, you might look at the delicious or foxmarks plugins
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| 13:32 | <GGD> with all their shares on the server correct
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| 13:32 | <rjune_wrk> All their everything is on the server.
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| 13:32 | <GGD> correct
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| 13:32 | <rjune_wrk> They will actually be using the server resources.
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| 13:33 | not the local ones
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| 13:33 | <GGD> yes
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| 13:33 | <rjune_wrk> if you have multiple servers to push this to, You might need to know how to do that(I'm clueless there, but I can help you ask the right questions)
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| 13:33 | <GGD> and build this "image" based on the server and the apps/ bookmarks on the server
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| 13:34 | <rjune_wrk> There isn't an "image" it's called a user profile.
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| 13:34 | <GGD> ok
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| 13:34 | <rjune_wrk> Image indicates a snapshot of a disk.
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| 13:34 | <GGD> ahh
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| 13:34 | like ghost
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| 13:34 | etc
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| 13:34 | <rjune_wrk> This is central configuration of the web browser.
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| 13:34 | yup.
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| 13:34 | <GGD> oh ok
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| 13:35 | :) see the meds haven't made me loose all my marbles (yet) :D
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| 13:36 | would this be easy to rebuild if lets say there were new apps placed on the server for the users to use?
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| 13:37 | does that make sense?
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| 13:37 | <rjune_wrk> I don't know.
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| 13:38 | I've not used Sabyon in a while. You might verify that's the proper application and find somebody in #fedora or #gnome that's familiar with it
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| 13:38 | <GGD> ok
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| 13:38 | <GGD> thank you you have at least put some ideas/ questions to ask
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| 13:38 | people
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| 13:45 | <_UsUrPeR_> So pertaining to my question above: has anyone in here had any experience with italc?
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| 13:47 | <Lns> _UsUrPeR_, I've messed with it on Ubu8.04...it wasn't very straight forward to get it to work, but I did get it to work...using it from a thin client was really sludgy for me
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| 13:47 | I ended up forgetting about it and focusing on other stuff
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| 13:48 | <_UsUrPeR_> lns: ok. Hmm... how did the "control student computer" option work out for you?
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| 13:48 | I.E. double-click on a student dektop
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| 13:49 | <Lns> _UsUrPeR_, it *kind of* worked for me... iirc it was pretty buggy though, sometimes stuff would show up and sometimes it wouldn't
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| 13:50 | it could have been my fault, I dunno, but all in all I wasn't very impressed
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| 13:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> hmm
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| 13:51 | <Lns> there were random errors regarding the communication between server&client, and it seemed to affect other aspects of normal operation...again, though, Im sure others have had more positive experiences than me
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| 13:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> yeah :/
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| 13:51 | I wonder where those people are hiding
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| 13:53 | I don't know if thin clients were the core audience of this program
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| 13:53 | <Lns> They weren't
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| 13:53 | iTalc is cross platform and seems to be geared toward win/lin workstations
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| 13:55 | * Lns shamelessly plugs http://logicalnetworking.net/wiki/doku.php | |
| 13:56 | <_UsUrPeR_> OH HELLO THERE
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| 13:56 | * _UsUrPeR_ reads further | |
| 13:58 | <_UsUrPeR_> Lns: have you tried this out in 9.04 yet?
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| 13:59 | <Lns> _UsUrPeR_, haven't tried it in 8.04 yet ;) Still cleaning up code, it's not totally functional yet. Any one willing to help contribute is very much welcome =)
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| 13:59 | * _UsUrPeR_ will contribute | |
| 13:59 | <_UsUrPeR_> right now.
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| 13:59 | do you have some time?
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| 14:00 | <Lns> _UsUrPeR_, sure, I'll help you with what I can - I am the self stated "visionary/funder" of the project, ianap ;)
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| 14:00 | if you wanna join up in #lns we can talk further
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| 14:03 | <_UsUrPeR_> lns: give me a bit here. something has come up :P
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| 14:03 | <Lns> np
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| 14:03 | <ogra> Lns, italC is very straight forward if you go the easy way :
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| 14:03 | )
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| 14:04 | <Lns> ogra, what's the "easy way" ?
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| 14:04 | <rjune_wrk> probably don't use it.
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| 14:04 | <ogra> install clian and server on the server machine
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| 14:04 | *client
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| 14:04 | <Lns> ogra, well that means you can't control non-logged-in clients thought =(
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| 14:04 | though*
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| 14:04 | <ogra> right
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| 14:04 | <Lns> booo
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| 14:05 | <ogra> you lose functionallity for taking the easy path
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| 14:05 | but its quick and should just work
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| 14:05 | <Lns> i'll have to do it that way when i'm in the office next
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| 14:05 | <_UsUrPeR_> ogra/lns et all, this is quite possibly the worst visual throughput I have ever seen on a 10/100 network
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| 14:05 | <ogra> if you want system control it gets more tricky
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| 14:06 | though to my knowledge you just install the client in the chroot and re-roll the image
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| 14:06 | that should be all
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| 14:06 | <Lns> ogra, yeah - we're working on getting the system control going w/tcm, shutdown/startup, scheduling cron-type jobs, etc
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| 14:06 | ogra, yeah..did you ever actually do it? ;)
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| 14:06 | <ogra> no :)
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| 14:07 | i touched italc only for one release pre hardy
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| 14:07 | <Lns> hehe..there are a few strange quirks that really kinda pushed me away from it
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| 14:07 | ogra, I liked your tcm code much better (which is why i adopted it in favor of italc) ;)
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| 14:08 | <ogra> well, but tcm is really simple session control, while italc is a full classroom management
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| 14:08 | and it was a massive failure to add more feature to tcm ... but i recognized that to late
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| 14:08 | (vnc was a desaster)
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| 14:09 | <Lns> TCM will grow into a full classroom management platform when we're satisfied with it...
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| 14:09 | ogra, yeah - VNC is what we're focusing on right now
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| 14:09 | having to redo it all
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| 14:09 | <ogra> well, good luck is all i can say
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| 14:09 | ripping out the VNC code was the best i did to it imho :)
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| 14:09 | <Lns> haha - can you elaborate on that at all?
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| 14:09 | Might be useful to yanqui and moldy
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| 14:10 | we're trying to figure out how to best implement it
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| 14:10 | <ogra> well, i wrote the initial very minimal app, then gave it to someone who wanted to make it a real classroom management software
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| 14:11 | * alkisg thinks vnc is too slow for classroom usage... something with xshm should be used for ltsp :( | |
| 14:11 | <ogra> it started to produce massive load due to all the chatting it constantly did over the network, the split of the code made it totally confusing, but it still worked back then
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| 14:11 | then he added VNC
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| 14:12 | which polled screens from *all* clients every few seconds ... additionally to the massive network noise
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| 14:12 | that simply made it unusable
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| 14:13 | <Lns> ogra, right, i saw that as well. We're thinking about doing a periodic static screenshot for the screen 'thumbnails' instead of polling through VNC. I can't believe that would have ever worked.
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| 14:13 | <ogra> and back then i didnt have the time to go back to the simple codebase from the beginning ... so all i managed to do was to adjust the code a bit to actually detect the sessions and completely kill off the VNC part
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| 14:13 | <Gadi> u guys see the news blip on google's neatX?
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| 14:13 | <Lns> I was thinking possibly a very low-res, low framerate vnc for thumbnails might work too, but i really have no clue
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| 14:14 | Gadi, yeah!!
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| 14:14 | <ogra> Gadi, is that remote chromeOS ?
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| 14:14 | * Gadi thinks if we can get a caching Xserver option into ldm, *then* you can get your snapshots | |
| 14:14 | <Gadi> ogra: who knows?
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| 14:14 | its FreeNX refactored
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| 14:14 | <Lns> Gadi, that's a great idea...but who knows what kind of state neatX is in or will be in ?
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| 14:14 | <ogra> does it require a browser and ADs ?
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| 14:14 | <Gadi> no
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| 14:14 | its just NX
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| 14:14 | reimplemented
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| 14:14 | <Lns> opensourced
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| 14:15 | <Gadi> but, if you have a caching Xserver on localhost, you can do your classroom management without network overhead
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| 14:15 | * ogra got very careful about opensourced if google sticks near it ... | |
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| 14:16 | <ogra> i have seen android from the inside now ... and that was a scary experience
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| 14:16 | * Gadi wonders why he finds that dirty | |
| 14:16 | <alkisg> messy code?
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| 14:16 | <ogra> nah
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| 14:16 | * Lns slaps Gadi with a large trout | |
| 14:16 | <ogra> but it claims to be a linux OS
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| 14:17 | which it totally isnt
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| 14:17 | its a complete fork with tons of stuff rewritten
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| 14:17 | not even using glibc
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| 14:17 | <highvoltage> ogra: I read that the palm pre is much better than android in terms of being a real linux system
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| 14:17 | (it even uses upstart)
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| 14:17 | <ogra> yeah, thats true
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| 14:17 | (both)
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| 14:18 | <alkisg> Yeah, and google OS won't have X, either
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| 14:18 | <ogra> though the nature of android being originally linux makes it trivial to make the apps run on linux
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| 14:18 | thats the good part
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| 14:18 | <Lns> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system) - says it's just using the Linux kernel
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| 14:18 | <ogra> ab-using :)
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| 14:18 | <alkisg> Heh
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| 14:19 | <Lns> heh
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| 14:19 | well it's open source, you can't bash em for that!
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| 14:19 | <ogra> using the linux kernel means you send your patches upstream and they are in a state that upstream can actually accept them
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| 14:19 | the first part happened ... the second might never happen :)
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| 14:20 | it mover away from linux quite a bit
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| 14:20 | <alkisg> If they wanna keep using it, they'll need to learn to send patches upstream, otherwise it'll be harder for them to maintain the patches, won't they?
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| 14:20 | <Lns> ogra, what would be the use, if they're simply crafting it for their devices? why would mainstream linux kernel want to accept it anyway?
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| 14:20 | <ogra> *moved
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| 14:20 | Lns, so others can make use of the bits and pieces on other devices
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| 14:21 | <Lns> agreed.. Of course, you can't say that plenty of others aren't doing the exact same thing...if someone wants it, the code is there, right?
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| 14:21 | <ogra> saying its linux is a moot point if you start to build Lns-phone and suddenly realize you cant actually make use of the code on your device
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| 14:22 | simply because it was written totally centric to one device while there were portable code bits in the linux ustream kernel
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| 14:22 | <Lns> ah..ok, agreed
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| 14:22 | they need to be better FOSS citizens
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| 14:22 | <ogra> well, they need to work more with upstream
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| 14:22 | <rjune_wrk> that's pretty common
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| 14:22 | apple had issues with webkit initially
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| 14:23 | <ogra> the publish their code, license it properly etc
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| 14:23 | its just a communication and collaboration issue
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| 14:23 | but its a massive issue if you atually belive the promises and base your business on it
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| 14:23 | *actually
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| 14:23 | * Lns thinks of redhat | |
| 14:24 | <jammcq> I think Chris DiBona is the main google guy for keeping in touch with the linux community. if google isn't doing enough, it's most likely because Chris is simply overworked
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| 14:24 | <ogra> yeah
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| 14:24 | <rjune_wrk> I'll happily be his right hand man.
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| 14:24 | <ogra> he surely is
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| 14:24 | and he'S a good guy
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| 14:24 | i trust him
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| 14:24 | <jammcq> there's nothing Evil going on. it's just stretching resources beyond their limits
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| 14:25 | <ogra> but seeing android made me lose a bit of faith in the quality they deliver
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| 14:25 | <jammcq> He was down in brazil at FISL this year. I bumped into him at almost every dinner, but we really didn't get much chance to talk this time
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| 14:25 | <ogra> and chormeOs just scares me simply because they put even more load on themselves without compensation
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| 14:26 | <Lns> ogra, I like Canonical's response to ChromeOS
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| 14:26 | <ogra> we have one ?
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| 14:26 | <Lns> yeah lemme dig up the article
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| 14:26 | <jammcq> they have one?
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| 14:26 | * ogra didnt have time to read any news for about three weeks | |
| 14:27 | <ogra> way to busy
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| 14:27 | up to my legs in arms :)
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| 14:27 | <sbalneav> ba-dum-bum
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| 14:27 | <alkisg> So when are we gonna see the results?
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| 14:27 | <sbalneav> (highhat)
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| 14:27 | <Lns> lol
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| 14:27 | <jammcq> sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 14:27 | <sbalneav> Hey jammcq
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| 14:28 | <ogra> alkisg, if the silly HW vendors actually do what the second part of their name suggest ... and start vending hardware :)
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| 14:28 | <rjune_wrk> Lns: please, post it in channel, I want to see it
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| 14:28 | <Lns> rjune_wrk, looking ;)
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| 14:28 | * ogra just gets a big bowl of soup ... dinner ... | |
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| 14:32 | <alkisg> Lns, http://logicalnetworking.net/wiki/doku.php => Grawert, not Grewart
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| 14:33 | <ogra> heh, yeah
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| 14:33 | <Lns> oops
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| 14:34 | fixed
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| 14:34 | ah crap...haha
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| 14:34 | grawart
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| 14:34 | there
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| 14:34 | <ogra> Grawert :)
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| 14:35 | <ogra> only one a
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| 14:35 | <Lns> damn germans ;)
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| 14:35 | <ogra> the name is actually polish i think
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| 14:36 | <rjune_wrk> don't be picky.\
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| 14:36 | <ogra> :)
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| 14:36 | <rjune_wrk> at least he got it right now.
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| 14:36 | <Lns> Mmmmm...polish dogs
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| 14:36 | <rjune_wrk> Ogra, I have a quick error, curious if you've seen it before
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| 14:36 | <Lns> I swear I saw that response to chromeOS...can't seem to locate it
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| 14:38 | <rjune_wrk> ogra: General protection eip:<address> esp:<address> error:0
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| 14:39 | <ogra> kernel oops
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| 14:39 | <rjune_wrk> not the full message though?
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| 14:39 | <ogra> ask a kernel guy :)
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| 14:39 | <rjune_wrk> Thats fine, Ididn't think it was an actual oops, and more a this particular program did something bad.
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| 14:39 | * ogra could only forward it to the kernel team | |
| 14:40 | <rjune_wrk> that's ok, I'll poke it. If you're not familiar that's fine.
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| 14:40 | Just curious if you've run across it
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| 14:40 | <ogra> only in the form of oopses
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| 14:41 | <rjune_wrk> ok. thanks ogra
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| 14:46 | <jammcq> CAN-o-SPAM: ping
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| 14:47 | <CAN-o-SPAM> jammcq: pong
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| 14:47 | <jammcq> you were looking for me yesterday?
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| 14:50 | <Lns> rjune_wrk, all - http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9135365/Ubuntu_s_maker_Chrome_OS_no_slam_dunk_just_because_Google_announces_it
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| 14:50 | <bieb> CAN-o-SPAM: hows it going Alex?
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| 15:03 | <CAN-o-SPAM> bieb: good how are you!
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| 15:03 | <bieb> good
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| 15:03 | did you get the PO?
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| 15:04 | <CAN-o-SPAM> bieb: yes ... orders are high inventory is low, expect it to ship before the end of the month
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| 15:04 | <bieb> ohh..
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| 15:05 | do you have any in stock currently?
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| 15:05 | <CAN-o-SPAM> bieb: in two days you'll get a better update
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| 15:07 | <bieb> will you email the info? or should I check here?
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| 15:09 | <CAN-o-SPAM> bieb: e-mail.
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| 15:10 | <bieb> ok
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| 15:17 | <CAN-o-SPAM> bieb: any progess with MS Office?
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| 15:18 | <bieb> still working on it.. was hoping to have a client or 2 for testing
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| 15:20 | talk with you later.. gotta run
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| 16:12 | <edgamen> hi , I'ḿ confused. I'm using Edubuntu 8.04 it's working with LTSP5 by default, I guess, but when I try to enable lts.conf configurations it doesn't work. Where is the path to put lts.conf in this distro? Maybe that is the mistake...Thanks.
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| 16:15 | <trampfox> try under /var/tftboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 16:16 | <Lns> edgamen, also, one thing I forgot early on was to make sure you have a [default] section at the top
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| 16:16 | <trampfox> how can I shutdown the thin client?
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| 16:17 | <edgamen> ok. thank you. what permissions must that file have?
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| 16:18 | <Lns> edgamen, 644 should be fine
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| 16:19 | <edgamen> thanks a lot. is the same path i tried . I'll work on that. good luck. cu
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| 19:54 | <sbalneav> ....Gentlemen.
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| 19:54 | * sbalneav straightens tie. | |
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| 20:58 | <Ahmuck_> evening
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| 20:58 | how's the pulseaudio problem coming?
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| 21:15 | <sbalneav> Ahmuck-Jr: I dunno. Have you made any progress?
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| 21:16 | <Ahmuck-Jr> nope. i had wondered if mark had
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| 21:17 | i'm still where i was last evening
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| 21:17 | er, this afternoon
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| 21:17 | dropped by to see if anything was found out
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| 21:17 | is it possible this SDL is related?
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| 21:18 | <sbalneav> I think it's just a pulseaudio bug. I've been monitoring #pulseaudio today, and there's been 4 or 5 other people who have popped in there complaining of pulse dying on them on standalone boxes.
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| 21:20 | <Ahmuck-Jr> anyway of moving from pulseaudio for ltsp ?
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| 21:23 | <sbalneav> Sure. We left esd support in there.
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| 21:24 | But then you're back to the reasons why we left esd.
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| 21:24 | <Ahmuck-Jr> pulseaudio is enabled on the client side?
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| 21:24 | i assume
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| 21:25 | <sbalneav> Yes.
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| 21:25 | And pulse is becoming the standard sound server for most Linux distros.
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| 21:26 | So "moving away from pulse" doesn't seem to be a sound (haha) option.
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| 21:27 | Figuring out how we can help identify and fix the problem seems to be a better plan :)
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| 21:29 | * sbalneav keeps examining pulse source. | |
| 21:30 | <sbalneav> Thing is, I'm on Jaunty here at home, and I can't seem to get it to fail.
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| 21:31 | <Ahmuck-Jr> jaunty ltsp?
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| 21:32 | <sbalneav> yes.
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| 21:32 | * sbalneav goes to create a fresh chroot | |
| 21:32 | <Ahmuck-Jr> wouldn't have anything to do with switch/router config?
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| 21:34 | <sbalneav> Well, I've got a bog standard d-link switch. Apparently, people say sound stops working. But, other things still work. If it was a switch problem, I'd expect *everything* to stop working.
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| 21:37 | Why, you have some kind of special switch or router?
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| 21:38 | <Ahmuck-Jr> linksys slm2008 gigabyte switch and cabling
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| 21:39 | http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps9996/index.html
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| 21:39 | smart switch
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| 21:41 | spanning trees, traffic shaping, etc.
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| 21:41 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 21:41 | so, logical question, then.
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| 21:41 | If you think it *may* be the switch, have you tried substituting a normal switch in?
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| 21:43 | <Ahmuck-Jr> nope, all out of cash
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| 21:44 | <sbalneav> What, so you can't *borrow* a switch? :)
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| 21:46 | <Ahmuck> nope
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| 21:46 | i'm going to pull the switch and put a standard router in and see what happens
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| 21:46 | i do have one of those
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| 21:47 | linksys gl
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| 22:04 | <sbalneav> Ahmuck: so if you just let it play a tune, it eventually stops, right?
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| 22:19 | <Ahmuck> flash
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| 22:19 | youtube doesn't seem to happen
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| 22:19 | i've not tried cd's
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| 22:20 | i can
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| 22:21 | <sbalneav> Youtube is flash, is it not?
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| 22:21 | Or do you have another example site?
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| 22:29 | <class1> youtube works fine. let me test right now, then i sleepy and go home
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| 22:31 | No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found.
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| 22:38 | <sbalneav> Well, I've been playing tunes off of jamendo for 3/4 of an hour now, pausing & restarting, no problem.
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| 22:43 | Flash youtube audio playback's fine, video's a bit chopy, but that's normal.
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| 22:43 | Youtube playback via totem is 100%. Smooth video and sound.
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| 22:43 | Here's my setup
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| 22:43 | Server:
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| 22:44 | Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8500 @ 3.16GHz
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| 22:44 | Intel chipset mobo, 945G video
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| 22:45 | 2 gigs ram
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| 22:45 | bogomips: 6319.73
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| 22:45 | Intel 100mbit card
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| 22:45 | Network hardware:
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| 22:46 | d-link 24 port 100mbit "dumb" switch
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| 22:46 | Client:
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| 22:46 | Intel mobo,
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| 22:46 | Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8500 @ 3.16GHz
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| 22:47 | 1 gig ram
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| 22:47 | Onboard intel network card, 100mbit
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| 22:47 | Server's running 32bits
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| 22:47 | No detected problems with pulse. I've been beating sound up all evening.
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| 22:48 | <Ahmuck-Jr> brb
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| 23:07 | <class1> hrm lost sound
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| 23:19 | <sbalneav> Pulse has only managed to accumulate 29 seconds of cpu time so far.
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| 23:40 | <Ahmuck-Jr> server running 32bit on a 64bit proc
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| 23:40 | here
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| 23:40 | amd
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| 23:41 | well, gtg, i'm sleepy
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