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| 05:06 | <work_alkisg> vsuojanen: I think much of the Ubuntu wiki is unmaintained, maybe I should just move the ltsp-pnp page to the upstream ltsp wiki...
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| 05:06 | <alkisg> Feel free to modify the main page if you want to
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| 15:54 | <gp> How do I get session locking to work on fat clients? On thin clients users can type in their password to unlock the session. But on fat clients they cannot. The lock greeter says logging into ltsp234 (fat client hostname) for fat clients, but just ltsp (server hostname) on thin clients
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| 15:54 | But fat client lock screen always says invalid password
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| 15:55 | <alkisg> gp: which desktop environment are you using?
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| 15:55 | <gp> MATE
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| 15:55 | <alkisg> LTSP tells gnome to not use screen locking on fat clients
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| 15:56 | You could tell the same to mate,
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| 15:56 | <gp> I would like to use locking though
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| 15:56 | <alkisg> or, you could use a very new ltsp version, and set LDM_PASSWORD_HASH=True in lts.conf
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| 15:56 | Which distro/version are you using?
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| 15:56 | <gp> Ubuntu Mate 14.04 LTS
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| 15:57 | <alkisg> !greek-schools
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| 15:57 | <ltsp`> I do not know about 'greek-schools', but I do know about these similar topics: 'greek-schools-ppa'
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| 15:57 | <alkisg> !greek-schools-ppa
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| 15:57 | <ltsp`> greek-schools-ppa: https://launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+archive/ppa/ supports LTS Ubuntu releases with newer LTSP versions, bug fixes etc
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| 15:57 | <alkisg> You would need to add this ppa to get a newer ltsp version, and set that var in lts.conf
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| 15:57 | <gp> What does that setting do?
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| 15:58 | Meaning, how does it work?
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| 15:58 | <alkisg> Upon login, it takes the password from ldm, then hashes it, and puts the result to /etc/shadow
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| 15:59 | So sudo, password locking etc work normally, but if you change the password, it only gets changed in the client, so it's lost on the next login
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| 15:59 | (if a fat client user changes his password, I mean)
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| 16:03 | <gp> I think that is worth trying. Thanks
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| 17:05 | <gp> Thinking from a different angle... is it possible to suspend the user session and send the user back to the LDM greeter instead of a screen saver?
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| 17:07 | <alkisg> gp: LDM doesn't support multiple users, you would have to log him off completely
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| 17:07 | You can trick that by declaring a logout script as your screensaver
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| 17:08 | <gp> Ah too bad. That would probably end up causing users to lose data
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| 17:10 | Does the password hash option update every time the user logs in? I use remote authentication so I am worried about passwords getting out of sync
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| 17:10 | not that they change that often i guess
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| 17:11 | <alkisg> On login
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| 17:13 | <gp> Do you think the password hash approach is better than attempting to get the fat client to remote authenticate?
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| 17:14 | <alkisg> gp: how do you plan to make the fat client to authenticate remotely?
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| 17:14 | Currently, it's using LDM+SSH
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| 17:14 | LDM doesn't know any other way, so you'd have to replace LDM as well
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| 17:16 | <gp> it was just a thought. i figured some sort of pam module. the server uses a remote user store so i figured the fat clients could too. but it would probably be more effort than using the password hash
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| 17:16 | <alkisg> LDM doesn't use PAM
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| 17:16 | That's a plan for LTSP 6, to ditch ldm...
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| 17:17 | <gp> good to know. i am not familiar with LDM at this point
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| 17:17 | well the password hash option will get me going. thanks for the help
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| 17:18 | <alkisg> np
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| 17:19 | <gp> what desktop do you use for LTSP?
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| 17:19 | <alkisg> gnome-flashback, I'm also trying Mate recently
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| 17:20 | But I fear that Mate doesn't have a future...
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| 17:20 | It would be better if the Mate devs helped gnome-flashback instead :/
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| 17:20 | <gp> =(
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| 17:21 | I haven't used gnome-flashback. I tried unity first because it was on the default installer. But the performance was awful on thin clients
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| 17:22 | <alkisg> Yup, 3d doesn't work over the network well or sometimes at all
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| 17:24 | <gp> I guess gsetting org.mate.lockdown disable-user-switching should be set to true since LDM doesn't support multiple users
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| 17:25 | Having trouble with all the different ways the desktop allows the user to shut the system down
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| 17:25 | <alkisg> That's a setting for the mate display manager, we're not using it so its value doesn't matter
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| 17:25 | Yes that part is a mess with linux
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| 17:27 | <gp_> Having trouble with my internet connection
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| 17:37 | <gp_> Is there any reason /tmp and /var/run are not listed in /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.excludes?
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| 17:49 | Also, last question I think. Does anyone have any experience/recommendations on getting users access to cameras/phones plugged into the clients?
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| 19:00 | <csar_> I'm having problem in my LTSP server.
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| 19:00 | There is the option to attach a network file in thunderbird .
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| 19:00 | And there is the option to open a network file on libreoffice .
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| 19:01 | how can I solve this problem?
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| 19:30 | <alkisg> gp: $ grep tmp /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.excludes
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| 19:30 | tmp/.* tmp/* var/tmp/.* var/tmp/*
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| 19:31 | And also run/*
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| 19:31 | About cameras etc, fat clients should see them automatically, don't they?
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| 19:32 | <alkisg> About /var/run, it's a symlink, not a dir, so it shouldn't be omitted afaik...
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| 19:43 | <gp_> I had to use the following for usbmount to work on the clients echo "var/run/usbmount/.mount.lock" >> /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.excludes
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| 19:43 | But currently using Ubuntu 14.04 so that might be part of the problem. Going to give the ppa a shot with the updates
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| 19:44 | <alkisg> Why do you need usbmount on fat clients?
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| 19:44 | Usb devices work normally on fats...
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| 19:44 | <gp_> So usb drives are consistently mounted and symlinked to /var/run/usbmount to allow the freerdp screen to work with the same SCREEN_X command in lts.conf
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| 19:45 | for fat and thin clients
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| 19:45 | <alkisg> freerdp isn't fat, it's before login, ok
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| 19:45 | <gp_> Right
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| 19:45 | <alkisg> You could run freerdp after login, if it suits you, so that gnome automounts devices normally
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| 19:46 | About var/run, isn't it a symlink on your server?
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| 19:47 | <gp_> Yes. But for some reason the updating the image seemed to copy the files over without the excludes
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| 19:47 | <alkisg> Is that ltsp-pnp ?
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| 19:47 | <gp_> Yes
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| 19:47 | <alkisg> Then it sounds like a bug that should be filed upstream...
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| 19:48 | <gp_> I am going to try out the ppa. It may have been fixed since the 14.04 release
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| 19:48 | <alkisg> My i386.img doesn't have anything there
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| 19:48 | /var/run is a symlink, and /run is an empty dir
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| 19:49 | <gp_> Well I had to add that because it copied the usbmount lock file from the server so my clients couldn't ever mount usb sticks
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| 19:50 | <alkisg> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/changes?filter_file_id=nbdexclude-20120514152613-s59cks0y3y3ne2zt-2
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| 19:50 | No changes to that file related to /run, since its beginning...
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| 19:50 | It needs debugging in your pc
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| 19:50 | <gp_> Okay
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| 19:50 | <alkisg> To see if usbmount does something weird
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| 19:51 | <gp_> I will test it again without the excludes
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| 19:51 | I am going to create a new image from the ppa. I will test it then
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| 19:51 | <alkisg> You do need to have the run/* exclude
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| 19:51 | It's there by default
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| 19:52 | <gp_> also, "gsettings set org.mate.media-handling automount false" or the equivalent for gnome allows seamless integration with usbmount
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| 19:52 | the drives even show up on the desktop when plugged in
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| 19:52 | <alkisg> I think it would make more sense to use the session tools for freerdp too, not the reverse...
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| 19:53 | But ok whatever works
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| 19:54 | <gp_> Can you explain? I am just getting the hang of this and I was having trouble with the mailing list
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| 19:55 | <alkisg> I don't have a solution to explain, but I would prefer it if the same tools that gnome uses for automount, were used before login too
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| 19:55 | <gp_> Oh yeah that would be better
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| 19:55 | <alkisg> E.g. ltsp could register a user for freerdp,
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| 19:55 | and mark it "active" for policykit, so that he has the right to automount sticks etc
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| 19:56 | <gp_> But for the time being I was able to get usbmount to work for both fat and thin clients with an rc.local file that creates the directories it expects on client boot
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| 19:57 | <alkisg> Check RCFILE_xx in lts.conf, it's easier than modifying rc.local
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| 19:58 | Or even INIT_COMMAND_xx
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| 19:59 | <gp_> I found the RCFILE_XX, but INIT_COMMAND_XX would be better since rc.local exits on any errors
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| 19:59 | <alkisg> INIT_COMMAND runs very very early, so you don't have services etc available
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| 19:59 | For mkdirs it's fine though
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| 20:00 | You can also use RCFILE_xx="command || true"
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