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Channel log from 6 August 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 04:43 | <EDinNY> thanks
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| 05:22 | <sweetpi> Does the ltsp-developer mailing list always bounce messages from gmail accounts?
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| 05:35 | <sakhi___1> afternoon
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| 05:36 | <sakhi___1> I have LTPS server running on qemu and I need to have the clients running java applications faster over the network.
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| 05:37 | any advise on how I can tweak LTPS in order to computers without a hard drive to connect like the machines with hard disks?
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| 05:42 | <muppis> sakhi___1, actual java applications or webapplets?
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| 05:43 | <sakhi___1> muppis: sorry I mean webapplets
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| 05:44 | <muppis> sakhi___1, browser already installed as localapps?
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| 05:47 | <sakhi___1> muppis: yes it is.
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| 05:48 | my only problem is that users on the fat clients can access the webserver faster.
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| 05:49 | <muppis> Do you have java-vm also installed as local?
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| 05:49 | <sakhi___1> yes
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| 05:50 | <alkisg> "users on the fat clients can access the webserver faster." ==> Fat clients? Or standalone clients? (fat clients in LTSP means clients *without* a disk)
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| 05:51 | <sakhi___1> alkisg: what does thin client in LTSP mean?
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| 05:51 | <alkisg> thin client = client without disk that runs its apps on the server
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| 05:51 | fat client = client without disk that runs its apps on its own CPU
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| 05:51 | <alkisg> Both of them use a network disk from the server
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| 05:52 | standalone client (or something like that) = client that has its own hard disk
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| 05:52 | <muppis> alkisg, for clarification, does it make client to be fat if only running FF and related plugins?
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| 05:53 | <alkisg> No, that's "thin client with localapps"
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| 05:53 | <muppis> Ok.
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| 05:53 | <sakhi___1> ok didn't know that.
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| 05:54 | <alkisg> So what do you have? thin? thin with localapps?
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| 05:55 | <sakhi___1> I have thin running apps from a server.
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| 05:55 | <alkisg> OK, so plain thin clients. And you're comparing them to standalone clients (with their own hard disk), right?
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| 05:55 | What are your thin client specs? (RAM/CPU)?
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| 05:56 | <sakhi___1> eish they are weak. 256Ram and 700Mhz CPU.
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| 05:56 | <alkisg> Do you have LDM_DIRECTX=True?
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| 05:57 | (in lts.conf)
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| 05:58 | <alkisg> OK, read about it in lts.conf manual. It offers speed but it has some security implications
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| 05:58 | !lts.conf
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| 05:58 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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| 05:58 | <sakhi___1> alkisg: what does it do?
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| 06:01 | ok thanks I will look into the configs.
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| 06:02 | <muppis> alkisg, do you know something about configuring CUPS automatically? I have 18 standalones and like to have network printer configured like out of box.
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| 06:06 | <sakhi___1> kbye chat later and once again thanks alot.
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| 06:09 | <alkisg> muppis: sure, just enable printer sharing in gnome
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| 06:09 | <zamba> what's more important for a thin client - ram or cpu?
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| 06:09 | <alkisg> It depends on what do you want to run in it :)
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| 06:10 | If you don't want any localapps at all, and you have at least 256 RAM, then... network + graphics card
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| 06:10 | <zamba> so 256 RAM is like a bare minimum?
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| 06:10 | <alkisg> No, 64 is the bare minimum
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| 06:11 | <zamba> 256 is recommended?
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| 06:11 | <alkisg> But if you run firefox, then it will use some ram for x pixmaps, so it will need a network swap file etc
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| 06:11 | So yeah 256 is recommented
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| 06:11 | For localapps of course you'd need more
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| 06:13 | <zamba> i'm not running any localapps at the moment, but thinking maybe i should
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| 06:16 | <zamba> but what is the limiting factor when i'm trying to stream youtube videos?
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| 06:16 | <muppis> alkisg, so other will catch it automatic?
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| 06:16 | <zamba> and when i open several tabs in firefox with quite large images and the whole system grinds to a halt?
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| 06:17 | <alkisg> muppis: yes - but you need to enable printer sharing both on the server and the clients
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| 06:17 | (server => share, clients => see shared printers)
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| 06:17 | zamba: do you have ldm_directx=true?
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| 06:17 | <zamba> alkisg: yes
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| 06:18 | <alkisg> Then most probably the network
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| 06:18 | <zamba> not network card or ram?
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| 06:18 | because i'm not experiencing the same intense grind when i'm running a tc on a better computer
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| 06:18 | <alkisg> network = network card, switch, cables... all of it
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| 06:19 | <zamba> it's much better on a newer computer
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| 06:19 | <alkisg> Do you have a full gigabit network?
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| 06:19 | <zamba> 128 RAM vs 512 RAM
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| 06:19 | <muppis> alkisg, thank you.
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| 06:19 | <alkisg> muppis: np - if you can't find the option (in printer settings) ping me
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| 06:19 | <zamba> alkisg: well.. i'm actually trying to figure that out.. because i'm running ltsp as a xen guest and i'm trying to figure out if the guest is running at gigabit speeds when the host is
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| 06:20 | <alkisg> zamba: install netperf or iperf locally so that you measure the exact bandwidth
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| 06:20 | <zamba> alkisg: the TC is of course only running at 100 Mbit/s
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| 06:20 | alkisg: since it's pretty old hardware
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| 06:21 | <alkisg> Well, you'd need to check flow control then too
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| 06:21 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FlowControl
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| 06:21 | <zamba> but it's a very quiet network
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| 06:21 | <alkisg> Btw, a full screen 1024x768 video at 25 fps would need 629 MBit per second
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| 06:22 | <zamba> hm
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| 06:22 | so it's most certainly a network issue, then
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| 06:22 | <alkisg> So, with 100mbps on the client, you'd have to compromise.
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| 06:23 | <zamba> in what way?
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| 06:23 | <alkisg> Either use xv (=scaling on the client / flash doesn't support that but e.g. totem does),
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| 06:23 | or, don't use full screen, or use less fps etc
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| 06:23 | <muppis> alkisg, actually I'm more looking to set it from preseed file.
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| 06:24 | <zamba> alkisg: so if you want to run youtube in fullscreen, you have to run firefox as a localapp?
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| 06:24 | <alkisg> Pretty much, yes. And also have a client good enough for that (both CPU + RAM).
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| 06:24 | <zamba> a P4 at 1.8 with 512 MB ram
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| 06:24 | that oughta work?
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| 06:24 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 06:25 | <zamba> what about a P3 with 256 RAM?
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| 06:25 | <alkisg> P3 ... at 700?
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| 06:25 | <zamba> thereabout
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| 06:25 | <alkisg> Probably not
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| 06:25 | <zamba> but it's not possible to only run flash locally?
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| 06:25 | <alkisg> It might show 5-6 fps *non fullscreen*, but not more
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| 06:26 | <alkisg> Theoretically it is, if someone developed an xembed extension for firefox
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| 06:26 | But noone's done that
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| 06:26 | <zamba> how do i set up firefox as a localapp?
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| 06:26 | <alkisg> That would be the coolest, because it wouldn't need much ram
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| 06:26 | distro/version?
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| 06:26 | <zamba> ubuntu
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| 06:26 | <alkisg> And version?
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| 06:27 | <zamba> karmic
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| 06:27 | <alkisg> http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSPKarmicLocalAppsFirefox
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| 06:27 | <zamba> maybe i oughta upgrade
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| 06:27 | to lucid
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| 06:28 | <alkisg> Sure, at some point.. LTS and all....
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| 06:28 | <zamba> yeah
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| 06:30 | <alkisg> muppis: that's what I have for automatic printer sharing: http://ltsp.pastebin.com/feyGYh5p
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| 06:31 | So it's one way to automate it. I don't know about preseeding it, probably you can preseed cups...
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| 06:33 | <muppis> alkisg, looks nice. Do you run that on every boot?
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| 06:34 | <alkisg> muppis: yes, because the fat clients can't save their state
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| 06:34 | For standalone clients, once should suffice
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| 06:35 | <muppis> alkisg, ah.
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| 06:48 | <muppis> alkisg, I think I use your script to enable it in postinstallation, if you don't mind?
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| 06:48 | <alkisg> No problem at all
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| 06:48 | <muppis> Thank you.
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| 06:52 | <zamba> how do i set up localapps only for one of my TCs?
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| 06:52 | just to test?
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| 06:53 | <zamba> a stanca under /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf for the hostname?
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| 06:53 | or the ip?
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| 06:55 | <alkisg> zamba: localapps are enabled by default for all of your PCs
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| 06:55 | Do you want to disable them for all PCs except one?
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| 06:56 | <zamba> alkisg: yup
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| 06:56 | alkisg: i have different sets of TCs.. some are low-end whereas others are faster
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| 06:56 | <alkisg> (there are 2 concepts here - 1 is localapps, which is enabled, and 2 is localapps gnome menus, which is disabled)
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| 06:57 | So maybe just enable the menus for 1 pc, like this:
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| 06:57 | [client-ip-or-mac]
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| 06:57 | <zamba> you mean like 'ltsp-localapp firefox'?
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| 06:57 | <alkisg> LOCAL_APPS_MENU=True
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| 06:58 | I mean, that currently, without changing anything in lts.conf, `ltsp-localapps xterm` works for all of your PCs
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| 06:58 | <zamba> yeah
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| 06:58 | cool
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| 06:58 | going to use that to test
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| 06:58 | <alkisg> OK
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| 06:58 | <zamba> just going to rebuild the image first
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| 06:58 | <alkisg> With that, you'll see firefox normally on the gnome menu
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| 07:02 | <zamba> overriding the server one, right?
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| 07:02 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 07:15 | <zamba> hm.. now it won't boot
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| 07:15 | <zamba> after upgrading the image
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| 07:15 | Aug 6 14:13:06 thinny nbd_server[13285]: connect from 192.168.1.221, assigned file is /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 07:15 | Aug 6 14:13:06 thinny nbd_server[13285]: Size of exported file/device is 245710848
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| 07:15 | Aug 6 14:13:06 thinny nbd_server[13285]: Disconnect request received.
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| 07:24 | <Blinny> alkisg: No love - older kernel still leaves processes around.
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| 07:25 | I have 21 on the server I'm on; 3 people are logged in.
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| 07:25 | (and they logged in this morning.. was empty overnight)
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| 07:30 | <Damianos> what does my /etc/network/interfaces file need to look like if I want to get internet from a wireless card? I have eth0 setup ok and I can boot a thin client from it but my wireless card is not passing internet through despite the fact that it is showing as connected to my router
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| 07:32 | <muppis> Damianos, this can be close: http://nixcraft.com/ubuntu-debian/13278-etc-network-interfaces-wireless-wifi-example.html#post19778
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| 07:38 | <alkisg> Damianos: just use network manager to connect to the internet with dhcp, it shouldn't require anything in /etc/network/interfaces
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| 07:39 | <Damianos> muppis: altering the interfaces file did it, thank you so much!
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| 07:39 | <alkisg> Blinny: probably that "keepalive" isn't in effect for you. No idea why, though.
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| 07:39 | zamba: That disconnect request is normal, any other messages?
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| 07:41 | <zamba> alkisg: not on the server side, no
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| 07:41 | alkisg: but i'm unable to log on
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| 07:42 | <alkisg> zamba: "unable to log on" ==> does that mean that you see ldm?
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| 07:42 | <zamba> yup
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| 07:42 | <alkisg> Ah, ok. Then try SCREEN_02=shell and SCREEN_07=ldm in lts.conf, to troubleshoot this
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| 07:42 | <alkisg> Switch to vt2 with alt+ctrl+f2, and run `ssh user@server`
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| 07:42 | <zamba> alkisg: already tried that
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| 07:42 | <alkisg> And?
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| 07:42 | <zamba> alkisg: was able to log in no problem
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| 07:43 | <alkisg> And, after that, if you try to login from ldm without rebooting, you still can't?
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| 07:43 | <zamba> still can't
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| 07:43 | <alkisg> Do you see a login attempt in the server /var/log/auth.log ?
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| 07:44 | <zamba> and of course.. there it just magically worked :)
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| 07:44 | haha
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| 07:44 | fun :p
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| 07:45 | did exactly the same as earlier (guest login)
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| 07:45 | <alkisg> Computers are scared of debugging, if you "formally" start debugging a problem it can't be reproduced easily :D
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| 07:46 | <zamba> even worse performance when running firefox as a localapp
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| 07:47 | even non-fs youtube is laggy then
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| 07:47 | graphic card issue?
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| 07:48 | <alkisg> Does it do the same with video playback too?
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| 07:48 | Which card is it?
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| 07:57 | <zamba> nVidia Corporation NV6 [Vanta/Vanta LT] (rev 15)
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| 08:00 | <alkisg> Did you say karmic? Yeah do upgrade to lucid, so that the new nouveau driver is used instead.
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| 08:00 | The nv driver sucks a lot, it doesn't even support XV acceleration
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| 08:46 | <Blinny> alkisg: Thanks for the email clarification
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| 08:47 | <alkisg> np - I thought grant would find that `exec` trick helpful too.
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| 11:28 | <Kyle__> Hello.
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| 11:29 | Where in the ltsp setup does one set the client hostnames?
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| 11:35 | <alkisg> Usually in dhcpd.conf
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| 11:35 | <Kyle__> alkisg: That's what I thought. Humm. Wonder why it didn't work.
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| 11:36 | <alkisg> Any "hacks" in your setup? E.g. "ipappend 3" in pxelinux.cfg, or a different dhcp server...
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| 11:36 | <Kyle__> all my clients are coming up with ltsp<last octet>. so 192.168.20.34 for example shows up as ltsp34. But both forward and reverse DNS are setup for that to be rvm14.etc.etc.etc
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| 11:37 | Nope.
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| 11:37 | No hacks.
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| 11:37 | <alkisg> OK, get a *local* shell on a client (e.g. SCREEN_02=shell) and try: ipconfig -n eth0
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| 11:37 | See if it correctly gets a dns name from there.
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| 11:38 | <Kyle__> ipconfig? Curious. It didn't find it.
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| 11:39 | <alkisg> You need to be root to try that command, a local xterm from a user account won't do
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| 11:39 | /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/klibc/bin/ipconfig
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| 11:39 | *so in the client, just /usr/lib/klibc/bin/ipconfig
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| 11:39 | <Kyle__> I am root. All that would do it, that's not in my path.
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| 11:39 | * Kyle__ was busy with find / -iname, just found that. | |
| 11:40 | * alkisg uses locate on the server, it's faster :) | |
| 11:40 | <Kyle__> Heh, I never got into use locate :)
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| 11:40 | OK. It got the right address, broadcast netmask gateway domain dns servers, etc...but I don't see a hostname listed there.
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| 11:41 | <alkisg> cat /tmp/net-eth0.conf
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| 11:41 | Not there either?
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| 11:41 | <Kyle__> Nope, not there either. Maybe my dhcpd.conf is screwie, I'll go double check I didn't comment anything out.
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| 11:42 | <alkisg> So you're probably missing a directive in dhcpd.conf... something that sounds like get-hostnames, I'm not using dhcpd so I don't remember it correctly
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| 11:42 | get-lease-hostnames
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| 11:42 | http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/maverick/en/man5/dhcpd.conf.5.html
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| 11:43 | Kyle__: So, "get-lease-hostnames true"
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| 11:43 | <Kyle__> Yea, it was commeneted out in the ltsp example file, so I didn't put it into mine.
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| 11:44 | Guess I wasn't paying enough attention.
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| 11:45 | And now I see the right hostname. Perfect.
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| 11:57 | <abarbaccia> if i'm on my ltsp server, what is the appropraite way to chroot and foward X so i can open gui-based applications to make changes?
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| 12:02 | <alkisg> What applications? E.g. synaptic? That won't work very well, as it uses dbus, gconf etc
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| 12:05 | <abarbaccia> alkisg: its the mythbuntu-control-centre
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| 12:06 | which i believe may also be using dbus
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| 13:30 | <[GuS]> hi guys, i am having a problem or a doubt: i've fixed the problem about squares characters/fonts in ldm login (suggested by here, installing freefonts in gentoo). Now, when i try to loging it fails, like my user does not exist. So, i must create users in LTSP5 chroot environment? or it must read the OS users? Cause actually in LTSP4.* i use the OS users.
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| 13:30 | or maybe the problems is another
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| 13:33 | <alkisg> The os users
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| 13:33 | Get a local shell (e.g. with SCREEN_02=shell, if that works on Gentoo), and try `ssh user@server`.
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| 13:35 | <sweetpi> alkisg: I sent something to ltsp-developers about the pxelinux menu editor, but it bounced with "suspicious header". any idea if its always going to do that with a gmail account?
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| 13:36 | <alkisg> sweetpi: did you use HTML format? Or plain text?
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| 13:36 | gmail is not a problem, I'm using gmail myself
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| 13:36 | And, are you subscribed at that list?
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| 13:36 | <sweetpi> likely html(default), yes I subscribed
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| 13:38 | <alkisg> Try again with plain text in utf8
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| 13:38 | <sweetpi> It said the message was waiting mod approval. So I should send as text from now on?
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| 13:38 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 13:38 | Html messages come after 1 month or so, when the mods can see them
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| 13:38 | (and usually noone answers them then as they're very old)
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| 13:39 | <sweetpi> So nobody will yell if I send again as plain?
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| 13:39 | <alkisg> Nah, I don't think so, they won't even see the html message for another month :)
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| 13:39 | <sweetpi> ok
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| 13:48 | <alkisg> sweetpi: it was sent ok
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| 13:49 | <sweetpi> alkisg: good, thanks
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| 13:51 | <GGD> hello sweetpi
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| 13:52 | <sweetpi> hi
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| 13:52 | <GGD> your email you sent...
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| 13:54 | <sweetpi> GGD: yes?
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| 13:54 | <GGD> i am very interested in that
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| 13:55 | <sweetpi> ok, do you have any opinion on the layout/features?
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| 13:56 | <GGD> you mean pxe right? ( i just saw your email and didn't see the bask story so to speak)
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| 13:56 | well i have see menus that are linear
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| 13:56 | one screen and i have see some that are nested
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| 13:56 | <sweetpi> I was thinking a tree style view to edit/rearrange menus
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| 13:58 | <GGD> yes
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| 13:59 | <sweetpi> I guess my main concern was if the editor should ask for kernel/initrd/options or if it should just let you have "raw" entries
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| 13:59 | <GGD> or both
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| 13:59 | some only use raw
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| 13:59 | some use the kernel/initrd/options
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| 14:01 | <[GuS]> <alkisg> Get a local shell (e.g. with SCREEN_02=shell, if that works on Gentoo), and try `ssh user@server`. >> i
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| 14:01 | i'v tried that
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| 14:01 | and does not work
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| 14:01 | <alkisg> [GuS]: so you have a problem with ssh
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| 14:01 | <[GuS]> alkisg: i doub, it works with ltsp4
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| 14:01 | i will try something else
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| 14:02 | <alkisg> Well, the problem may be on the client then. But, ssh does not work
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| 14:02 | <[GuS]> alkisg: ahh, i mean i didnt tried with the local ip of my server.
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| 14:02 | <alkisg> You must first make it work, and then look at ldm etc
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| 14:02 | <sweetpi> GGD: another concern I had was portability, should it be a binary or maybe a script?
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| 14:02 | <[GuS]> just does not work on ltsp environment
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| 14:03 | <alkisg> [GuS]: well, you must see what part of `ssh user@server` is not working.
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| 14:03 | Is it the "server" part? etc etc
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| 14:04 | E.g. does ssh user@server-ip work?
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| 14:04 | <[GuS]> ok, i will try that now.
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| 14:04 | <sweetpi> GGD: I was thinking of doing this in python with pygtk. Not that I like python, but its easy to make guis and people would be able to modify it easier.
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| 14:04 | <alkisg> sweetpi: sounds good, we already have pygtk in ltsp
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| 14:05 | <GGD> why have it portable?
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| 14:08 | <sweetpi> GGD: Not sure why I typed portability, I meant easy to modify
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| 14:09 | <GGD> ahh that would be cool so that you can add or subtract items on the list?
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| 14:10 | <sweetpi> GGD: well that would be there too, but I mean if someone wanted to contribute or they needed to add something specific to the way it outputs the menu configs
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| 14:10 | <GGD> ahh yea
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| 14:10 | that would work
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| 14:11 | <sweetpi> i.e. we need our menu configs to be output as xml
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| 14:11 | <alkisg> sweetpi: one other approach is not to have an editor, but a script that "collects" all pxelinux.cfg menus under /var/lib/tftpboot, and combines them
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| 14:11 | So e.g. ltsp outputs an entry for i386, one for fat-i386 etc, another program outputs a "netboot live cd" entry - and yours combines them into one nice menu
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| 14:12 | (using a central /var/lib/tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg/default instead of /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default etc)
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| 14:13 | <sweetpi> alkisg: that would be really easy, but wouldnt solve the editor problem. maybe I should write a separate script specific for that use?
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| 14:14 | <GGD> that would work as well sweetpi
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| 14:15 | <alkisg> sweetpi: maybe what I said could be an "import" function in your editor...
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| 14:16 | <sweetpi> the "collection" idea would work as long as it was only for ltsp. if it hit a directory with menu include files they would be included multiple times
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| 14:16 | <[GuS]> alkisg: i have this option set in lts.conf SCREEN_02 = shell but instead of that i have a console login and not a shell :S
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| 14:16 | <GGD> and when you "import" it imports the info and places it in the right location and then add that to the "lisT"
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| 14:20 | <alkisg> sweetpi: yes, but if you promoted this as a package, then other apps could use it too
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| 14:21 | There's no "pxelinux.cfg.d" directory where people can drop their configuration files
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| 14:21 | You could promote something like this...
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| 14:23 | (or it could be in some other place, e.g. /etc/yourappname.d)
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| 14:24 | <sweetpi> sounds good
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| 14:25 | <alkisg> I believe we could put code in ltsp-update-kernels that would place a pxe menu-item there, if that directory exists...
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| 14:27 | <GGD> yea
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| 14:28 | does that make sense about what i said?
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| 14:32 | <sweetpi> yes
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| 14:48 | <alkisg> [GuS]: if SCREEN_02=shell doesn't work in gentoo, you can instead unlock the root account, and login on the client normally
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| 14:51 | <[GuS]> alkisg: actually it works on ltsp, so if does not work now should be in ltsp 5
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| 14:51 | lstp4 works*
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| 14:52 | <alkisg> I mean, in order to see what's wrong with ssh on your ltsp5 client
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| 14:52 | <[GuS]> ah ok
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| 16:30 | <sweetpi> alkisg: wouldnt it make more sense if when ltsp-update-image generated ltsp/<chroot>/pxelinux.cfg/default if it also went through the list of chroots and generated a ltsp/pxelinux.cfg/default?
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| 16:31 | <alkisg> sweetpi: e.g. debian uses nfs, so ltsp-update-image is never called there
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| 16:31 | nbd is mostly used by ubuntu... while ltsp-update-kernels by all distros afaik
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| 16:33 | <sweetpi> so what script writes pxelinux configs when using nfs? Im on debian but I use nbd and nfs and just do all the menus by hand
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| 16:33 | <alkisg> But more important is that other apps could also put menus in an /etc/pxemenus.d/ directory. Or even the sysadmin could manually put some menus there (e.g. from the editor), like /etc/grub.d/040_custom in grub...
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| 16:34 | <alkisg> chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 update-initramfs ==> when the kernel is changed on the chroot, an ltsp hook is called, which creates the $CHROOT/boot/pxelinux.cfg/default file
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| 16:34 | Then, ltsp-update-kernels copies that file to /var/lib/tftpboot/...
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| 16:35 | So normally (=with nfs) in debian ltsp-update-image is never called. Of course you _can_ use nbd in debian, but it's not the default there.
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| 16:36 | <sweetpi> ok thats why i saw only "cp -a boot/. foo", I didnt realize the menus were also there
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| 16:38 | <alkisg> So what I'm saying is, however you implement your editor, please also provide a config.d directory where ltsp or other apps can "drop" stuff
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| 16:40 | <sweetpi> yes I understand, actually I wrote a little script that does exactly that a few min ago, just cleaning it up a bit now
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| 21:16 | <gnoob> Hi guys:) I have installed edubunut + ltsp
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| 21:16 | When i try to log on from client nothing hapens
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| 21:17 | but it boots up from server.. what may I have forgotten?
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| 21:18 | I made a few testusers "Desktop users" but cant log in as admin either.. Any suggestions?
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| 21:18 | are ltsp users special users?
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| 21:19 | <vagrantc> the only thing special about them is that they should be added to the fuse group if you want local devices to work
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| 21:19 | <gnoob> I added users the normal way.. could that be a problem? :) First time trying this
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| 21:19 | ahh ok that might be..
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| 21:20 | <vagrantc> but that wouldn't prevent them from loggin in
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| 21:20 | gnoob: did the server's ip address possibly change?
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| 21:20 | gnoob: if so, you may need to run: ltsp-update-sshkeys ; ltsp-update-image
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| 21:20 | <gnoob> no.. users can log in locally, but not from clients
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| 21:20 | <vagrantc> gnoob: can you log into the server through ssh?
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| 21:22 | <gnoob> thanks vagrantc thats the problem, tested to log in from ssh without luck
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| 21:23 | how to fix? aptitude install openssh-server?
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| 21:23 | <vagrantc> install openssh-server, yes.
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| 21:23 | <gnoob> sshd is running
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| 21:23 | <vagrantc> firewall?
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| 21:23 | <gnoob> ltsp-update-sshkeys then maybe :)
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| 21:24 | yeah installed squid + some *guard thing :)
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| 21:24 | but didt try to log in before that
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| 21:24 | <vagrantc> you'll need to be able to log in via ssh.
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| 21:25 | until you get that, you won't get anywhere.
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| 21:25 | <gnoob> yeah
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| 21:25 | on port 22 is default?
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| 21:25 | <vagrantc> yes
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| 21:25 | you can change that, but i would strongly advise against it
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| 21:28 | <gnoob> how to check if port 22 is acting ok again with netstat? netstat -lp something?
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| 22:00 | <gnoob> hi
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| 22:11 | ssh: connect to host 10.0.0.1 port 22: Protocol not available
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| 22:11 | firewall then?
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| 22:11 | 22 is in use by sshd netstat sais
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