IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 11 November 2007 (all times are UTC)
| 00:01 | <BGomes_> vagrantc: ok, but my questions is, of version if /~ogra/ltsp/ltsp-mainline ltsp-YOUR-DISTRO have all update making in ubuntu
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| 00:02 | <vagrantc> BGomes_: no, ogra's ltsp-mainline branch does not contain all updates made in ubuntu
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| 00:03 | <BGomes_> vagrantc: that is not good :(
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| 00:03 | <vagrantc> well, it is not upstream
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| 00:03 | BGomes_: where did you find that branch?
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| 00:03 | it probably needs to be updated
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| 00:05 | <BGomes_> vagrantc: I am start integration this script in slackware, but I will woking with upstream
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| 00:05 | vagrantc: I want working with upstream
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| 00:06 | <vagrantc> well, upstream is, for the moment: http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/ltsp/
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| 00:07 | BGomes_: that's a bzr branch
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| 00:07 | there's a separate branch for ldm
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| 00:07 | <vagrantc> these branches were just put together in the last week or two
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| 00:07 | <BGomes_> vagrantc: humm tanks, I will see it now
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| 00:07 | <vagrantc> BGomes_: where are you from?
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| 00:08 | <BGomes> vagrantc: I'm from brazil
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| 00:08 | vagrantc: and u ?
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| 00:09 | <vagrantc> BGomes: usa ...
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| 00:09 | BGomes: two of the ltsp developers in debian are also brazillian
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| 00:09 | <BGomes> vagrantc: We meet jim em scoot in FISL6, and like so mutch of ltsp project
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| 00:10 | BGomes: Who are they?
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| 00:10 | IRCzito: see this http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/ltsp/
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| 00:10 | <vagrantc> BGomes: otavio and stratus
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| 00:11 | <BGomes> vagrantc: :)
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| 00:11 | <vagrantc> BGomes: although both of them haven't worked on it in a while ... there's a few other brazilians involved with ltsp in debian too
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| 00:12 | <BGomes> vagrantc: it's good
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| 00:12 | <vagrantc> BGomes: free software is very strong is brazil
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| 00:14 | <BGomes> vagrantc: Who make the initrd of ubuntu?
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| 00:15 | <vagrantc> BGomes: what program makes it ... or ?
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| 00:16 | <BGomes> vagrantc: who wrote initrd script ubuntu?
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| 00:17 | <vagrantc> BGomes: i believe the original author of initramfs-tools was jeff bailey
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| 00:18 | <BGomes> vagrantc: suse (kiwi-ltsp) have many diffs of ubuntu init scripts
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| 00:19 | <vagrantc> BGomes: i think ogra wrote the ltsp-nbd script
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| 00:19 | BGomes: yes, the suse stuff is very different
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| 00:21 | <BGomes> vagrantc: and slackware, we will write more simple init, kiwi-ltsp is strong
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| 00:27 | <IRCzito> vagrantc: the bzr http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/ltsp/ is more specific for debian
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| 00:28 | <vagrantc> IRCzito: no
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| 00:28 | <IRCzito> vagrantc: ow ok :D
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| 00:28 | <vagrantc> IRCzito: the debian directory is there because sbalneav wants it there
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| 00:28 | IRCzito: all the code is in the dist directory
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| 00:29 | <IRCzito> sbalneav: i see, sory
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| 00:31 | <vagrantc> i've merged that branch, and the current changes from debian (including updated pt_BR translations) at: http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltsp/split/vagrant-ltsp-split/
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| 02:14 | <Artemka> Hello, how made XFCE by default in ltsp 5?
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| 04:24 | <mcfloppy123> how can i set up the LCD resolution
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| 05:14 | <mcfloppy123> how can i build my own client kernel
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| 07:11 | <Artemka> What problem? In Edubuntu 7.1 first client have a local device two clinet - no have :-( help
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| 08:25 | <Artemka> Bug #160420 who help me?
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| 10:43 | <upro> Hi back! When I switch on my client it falls back to a busybox intramfs shell... It was working yesterday (until I fiddled with the server's xorg conf) What could be wrong?
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| 10:56 | <upro> nobody here? Huhuuuuu
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| 10:57 | ok, I gut ony goole result, but it is indonesian... http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:4Ql702xUL-YJ:ubuntulinux.or.id/forum/viewtopic.php%3Fp%3D4031%26sid%3Df3a61e729ff494f623c149a9dbf92dd4+ltsp+client+busybox+initramfs&hl=de&ct=clnk&cd=6&client=firefox-a
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| 11:00 | <tuunix> What exactly do mean with "client"? A thin client connected to an LTSP-Server?
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| 11:01 | <upro> yes, the client connected to my server. When I switch on the client it shows the ubuntu gauge, but drops back to busybox after some seconds
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| 11:04 | <tuunix> Are there any X-related modifications in the lts.conf?
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| 11:05 | <outofrange> Confused again
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| 11:09 | <upro> tuunix: The lts.conf in /opt/i386?
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| 11:10 | <tuunix> Yes
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| 11:10 | <upro> tuunix: the file dioes not contain any uncommented line...
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| 11:10 | tuunix: can I just copy /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client-core/examples/lts.conf ?
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| 11:12 | <tuunix> If the options set in this file apply to you, the yes. Otherwise it would be a bad idea.
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| 11:13 | Does the busybox shell allow you to have a look at the Xorg.log which resides in /var/log?
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| 11:17 | Uh oh, forget it, if your client presents you a busybox shell, it is most likely a kernel related problem.
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| 11:18 | <jammcq> if you are getting the busybox shell, it means that the root filesystem couldn't be mounted
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| 11:18 | <jammcq> to see what's going on, find the pxe config file and remove the 'quiet splash' from the end of the boot line
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| 11:18 | <outofrange> lts.conf is fetched via tftp. What copies it to /etc/lts.conf on the client? My lts.conf isn't making it to the client.
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| 11:18 | <jammcq> then reboot the client and watch what happens
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| 11:18 | <upro> the pxe.cponfig file on the client?
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| 11:18 | <jammcq> upro: no, on the server
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| 11:19 | look for pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 11:19 | it's somewhere in /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 11:19 | <upro> jammcq: ok, got it. Should I reve "quiet"?
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| 11:20 | <jammcq> yes, and splash
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| 11:20 | or usplash
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| 11:20 | <upro> jammcq: and now boot the client?
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| 11:20 | <jammcq> yeah
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| 11:21 | <upro> jammcq: hold on
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| 11:24 | <upro> jammcq: fu***, it boots and runs like a charm... and I didn't do anything apart from commenting splash and quiet...
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| 11:28 | <tuunix> Reminds me of an NFS-related problem I once had with a client. Most of the time it failed to fetch its root filesystem and the only error message I got was "short read 0 < 28"...
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| 11:29 | <upro> tuunix jammcq thanks for your help!
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| 11:29 | <tuunix> I guess it's jammcq's karma ;)
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| 11:30 | The Edubuntu 7.10 release notes state that LDM now features "mutliple server support"? What does this actually mean?
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| 11:30 | Is there some kind of load balancing support for multiple LTSP servers?
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| 11:30 | <jammcq> you can have multiple servers, and the user can choose which one they want to log in to
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| 11:31 | also, some crude load balancing
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| 11:32 | <tuunix> How do I configure it?
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| 11:32 | <jammcq> umm, dunno. I didn't work on that
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| 11:34 | <tuunix> Well, since I failed to google some information regarding this, I guess I have to inspect LDM's source code...sigh...
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| 11:35 | <outofrange> Crap. When I net boot my i386 machines it's requesting /lts.conf over tftp, not /ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 11:35 | What tell the server what lts.conf file to fetch?
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| 11:36 | the cleint, I mena
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| 11:40 | <tuunix> I don't know the implementation details, but I think the client first tries to fetch its lts.conf via tftp and forgets about the other locations if it finds one.
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| 11:41 | <outofrange> Hum. Confusing. there's not lts.conf in the root (wireshark shows file not found from the tfpt server). Then it doesn't try any other file.
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| 11:41 | <outofrange> The docs indicate that the lts.conf should be in the root, too. But it's picking up my lts.conf in my powerpc dir.
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| 11:42 | * outofrange scratches his head | |
| 11:42 | <tuunix> Also, if you like to use the lts.conf within the client chroot, you have to rebuild the SquashFS image every time you make modifications to it.
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| 11:43 | <outofrange> Yes, I understand that.
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| 11:43 | <tuunix> Ok sorry, I just tried to help :)
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| 11:43 | <outofrange> ;)
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| 11:44 | I'm going to book a powerpc client and see what wireshark reports
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| 11:44 | Know of a way to do a reverse tunnel from a client so I can get a shell on the client from another machine? That is, w/o installing sshd on the client.
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| 11:44 | 2
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| 11:45 | <jammcq> why not install sshd?
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| 11:45 | <outofrange> I could -- and just not have it start by default.
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| 11:46 | jammcq: do you know the reason for the squashfs instead of just NFS mounting the chroot?
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| 11:47 | <tuunix> It's way faster...
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| 11:47 | And normally less error prone...normally...
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| 11:48 | <outofrange> Why faster -- because it's compressed over the wire?
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| 11:48 | <jammcq> yes, much faster
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| 11:48 | <tuunix> Yes, and much less overhead.
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| 11:48 | <outofrange> NFS can't be compressed?
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| 11:49 | <jammcq> nope
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| 11:49 | <outofrange> I see.
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| 11:50 | <outofrange> Interesting. So the powerpc client only requests ltsp/powerpc/lts.conf and my i386 machine only requests /lts.conf
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| 11:50 | <tuunix> NFS preformance sucks if many clients simultanously request many small files, which is the case if the clients access their init scripts
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| 11:50 | <outofrange> Maybe the two initrd have different paths for that file.
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| 11:56 | <tuunix> The scripts used in the initrd reside in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/ (in the respective chroot environments), if you want to inspect that further.
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| 11:56 | <outofrange> Thanks.
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| 11:57 | There's a script for rebuilding the initrd, I assume? (although I'm just moving my lts.conf now).
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| 11:58 | <tuunix> Yes, it's called update-initramfs.
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| 12:00 | It looks for scripts the aforementioned location and integrates them into the final inird image.
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| 12:00 | That how things like dm-crypt and LVM2 get integrated into the early boot phase.
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| 12:09 | <tuunix> Well, anyone knows which happened to the edubuntu-auth-server stuff?
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| 12:12 | <tuunix> I'm referring to https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuNetworkAuthServer
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| 12:43 | <outofrange> Crazy stuff.
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| 12:44 | I move lts.conf to tftp root and then symlinked it into powerpc. tftp reported file not found. rm and then copied it and it works.
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| 12:44 | Yet, my yaboot.conf is symlinked.
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| 12:45 | Both are fetched with tftp so you would think symlinks either work or they don't. Odd.
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| 15:57 | <lns> good weekend all
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| 16:50 | <lns> how's everyone's experience with thin-client-manager in gutsy? I know I was having some locking-up issues in Feisty...haven't tried the new one yet.
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| 16:50 | And is it the same installation method (chroot /opt/ltsp/arch ; apt-get install vncpackage) ?
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| 20:28 | <jammcq> hey kidz
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| 22:52 | <mathesis> hi peoples
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| 22:55 | i am searching software for point of sale
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| 22:55 | <johnny_> well.. this isn't really the right channel for that
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| 22:56 | we've been using a custom one where i deploy ltsp tho
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| 22:58 | it's focused on books and food atm
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| 22:58 | i'd like to know of one that works better and is more reliable tho, if it exists
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| 22:59 | hmm...that's badly stated
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| 22:59 | cuz it is reliable, since the original developer still works at the place we use it
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| 23:00 | but it'd be nice if we had one that already had a strong development team behind it
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