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Channel log from 25 March 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:39 | <valvoja> i have other user's floppy icons in desktop. is possible to prevent this to happen or is thetre way to remove floppy icon from desktop
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| 06:40 | <ogra> make sure your users are in the right default group
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| 06:40 | <valvoja> which is the right default group?
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| 06:41 | <ogra> well, usually you haver one group with the users name that gets gcreated at user creation time
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| 06:42 | that should be the users default group, device access is managed by that group with ltspfs
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| 06:42 | <valvoja> yes. main group for every user is same as username
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| 06:42 | <ogra> hmm, then you shouldnt see the floppy icons
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| 06:43 | at least not the ones of other users
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| 07:00 | <maginot> Good morning all
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| 07:29 | <maginot> if the client is using the ltsp-localapps wrapper to use firefox so for printing from it I shouldn't have a printcap with the printers available (with remote access to the ltsp server) ?
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| 08:29 | <maginot> is anybody up to discuss how to make lpr and printcap to work on the client?
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| 08:35 | <maginot> I was able to print using lp command ( echo "test" | lp -U client_user -h ltsp_server_ip:631 -d cups_printer_name ) but using the default lpr command for printer it complains about "unknown printer" I think this may be happening because /etc/printcap of the chroot is coming empty with no address to the remote printers
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| 08:38 | if the cups server were installed in the chroot and the printers.conf was copied to the croot this couldn't help ?
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| 08:42 | <Remaille> hi all
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| 08:42 | I am using LTSP in my school
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| 08:43 | I would like to automount a directory on the Desktop of each newly connected user
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| 08:43 | connected to a thin client
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| 08:48 | <maginot> Remaille, what do you want to automate in such directory ?
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| 08:48 | <Remaille> actually, it is a windows share
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| 08:49 | like \\SERVEUR\PATH\myname
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| 08:49 | at least I would like to automounr \\SERVEUR\PATH
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| 08:49 | to be able to open myname, they need a login/pass
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| 08:50 | <maginot> Remaille, have you tryied to create a launcher with something like smb://SERVER/PATH ?
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| 08:50 | <Remaille> no
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| 08:50 | good idea :)
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| 08:51 | but owh could i "spread" this launcher ?
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| 08:51 | on all the desktops ?
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| 08:52 | <maginot> Remaille, I have created a bash script that I run when I add some new user to the server... maybe you should do the same
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| 08:52 | you could do something much simples like a cp launcher.desktop /home/*/Desktop/
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| 08:52 | <Remaille> maginot, you mean a script that will copy something somewhere for each user ?
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| 08:53 | gosh, I didn't knwo that cp was regex compliant ! cp launcher.desktop /home/*/Desktop/ works ?
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| 08:55 | :) nice
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| 08:55 | <maginot> Remaille, did it worked?
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| 08:56 | <Remaille> euh i am not on the ltsp server here, just my box
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| 08:56 | but cp launcher.desktop /home/*/Desktop/
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| 08:56 | works
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| 08:56 | juste need to fin the proper line to put in it
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| 09:03 | <din_os> Remaille: I use a script like this:
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| 09:04 | 1) first I get all users starting with student : a=`ls /home | grep student`
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| 09:05 | 2) Then I do a for loop.. for f in $a
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| 09:05 | 3) using e.g. this inside: cp -p ~/totem.desktop /home/$f/Desktop/
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| 09:08 | <Remaille> very intersting din_os :))
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| 09:09 | <ogra> ps aux|grep LTSP_CLIENT|cut -d' ' -f1
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| 09:09 | that gives you a list of all logged in ltsp users on the servers
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| 09:13 | for user in $(ps axu|grep LTSP_CLIENT|cut -d' ' -f1|tr '\n' ' ');do if [ ! -f /home/$user ];then cp launcher.desktop /home/$user/Desktop/; fi;done
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| 09:13 | something like that should work
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| 09:14 | oh, indeed ... if [ ! -f /home/$user/Desktop/launcher.desktop ] ...
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| 09:19 | <maginot> is there anyone up to help with the printing from localapps issue?
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| 09:41 | <Gadi> maginot: does: echo "test" | lpr -H ltsp_server:631 -P cups_printer_name
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| 09:41 | work?
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| 09:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> Can anyone point out a good way to keep a script running after entering chroot
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| 09:47 | ?
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| 09:47 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: what do you mean?
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| 09:48 | <_UsUrPeR_> say I am creating a script to make some changes to an LTSP server
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| 09:48 | and that script is going to also be making changes in the chroot (i.e. apt-get update in chroot)
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| 09:49 | <_UsUrPeR_> does chrooting to the boot image stop a script from running?
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| 09:49 | <Gadi> why not run each chroot command prefaced with chroot $chroot
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| 09:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> Could you give me an example of a code line for that?
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| 09:50 | <Gadi> hmm..
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| 09:50 | so, let's say you do something like:
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| 09:50 | echo "This begins my script"
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| 09:50 | ... some commands outside chroot ...
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| 09:51 | mychroot=/opt/ltsp/i386
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| 09:51 | chroot $mychroot mount -t proc proc /proc
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| 09:51 | chroot $mychroot LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS=False apt-get upgrade
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| 09:51 | ...
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| 09:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok I see
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| 09:52 | <Gadi> OR, you could simply make a separate script that will run in the chroot
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| 09:52 | and call that
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| 09:52 | like this:
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| 09:52 | myscript=/my/dir/myscript
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| 09:53 | mount --bind /my/dir $mychroot/tmp
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| 09:53 | chroot $mychroot /tmp/$(basename $myscript)
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| 09:53 | umount $mychroot/tmp
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| 09:54 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok
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| 09:54 | cool
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| 09:54 | I thought that a script running chroot stuff would break once entering chroot
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| 09:55 | <Gadi> all depends on how you ask it
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| 09:55 | :)
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| 09:59 | <cliebow> anyone using ubuntu on Dell mini 9??
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| 10:04 | forget it
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| 11:11 | <evilx> What distro would you say has the best support for LTSP?
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| 11:11 | Fedora,Debain or Ubuntu
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| 11:14 | <NeonLicht> I lovee the way Debian handles it
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| 11:15 | <NeonLicht> I guess it'd be quite similar in Ubunto, since it is based on Debian
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| 11:15 | <ogra> ltsp5 comes from ubuntu though
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| 11:16 | but we worked closely together, fedora cam some years later to it
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| 11:16 | so the ubuntu and debian implementations are relatively equal
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| 11:21 | <evilx> what do you think better for old 200mhz system, fedora or ubuntu?
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| 11:21 | ubuntu seems kinda slow on the old machiens
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| 11:22 | <NeonLicht> 200MHz for what? the thin clients?
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| 11:22 | <evilx> yeah
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| 11:22 | 200mhz with 128mb of ram
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| 11:23 | <NeonLicht> I would go with Debian and a lightweight window manager or desktop, LXDE, for example
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| 11:23 | <evilx> You think Debian would be better?
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| 11:23 | right now I have ubuntu on them, but hmm
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| 11:23 | <NeonLicht> evilx, Debian even has a dedicated installation CD for LXDE+XFCE on Lenny
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| 11:24 | * ogra would go with ubuntu on such low powered systems and use a lightweight desktop | |
| 11:24 | <evilx> oh for realz, sweet
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| 11:24 | see, to many arguement
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| 11:24 | right now i have 8.10 on it and seems to be slow
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| 11:24 | <ogra> simply because ubuntu kernels on clients use compcache by default
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| 11:24 | <evilx> even with like fce
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| 11:24 | xfce*
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| 11:24 | ogra, should I use 8.04 or 8.1?
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| 11:24 | <NeonLicht> evilx, try LXDE, it makes a huge difference, really
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| 11:25 | <evilx> LXDE?
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| 11:25 | <NeonLicht> yes, LXDE
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| 11:25 | <evilx> im googlgin
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| 11:25 | <ogra> evilx, 8.10
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| 11:25 | <evilx> okay
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| 11:25 | <NeonLicht> LXDE.org | Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment
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| 11:25 | <maginot> Gadi, the command you said isnt valid ... there is no option -H ...
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| 11:26 | <NeonLicht> evilx, of course, if you don't really need a desktop (desktop icons, etc.) you might do better with a window manager
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| 11:26 | <Gadi> maginot: -H server[:port]
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| 11:26 | Specifies an alternate server.
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| 11:26 | <evilx> I have icons on the desktop, so the people downstairs can figure out what to click
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| 11:26 | <Gadi> (from man lpr)
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| 11:26 | <evilx> lxde.org not loading and giving me gibberish, dangi t
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| 11:27 | <NeonLicht> evilx, I'm looking at it right now fine
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| 11:27 | <evilx> It just acting weird here for some readon
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| 11:27 | <maginot> Gadi, I tried here and is onlying show the command option discription ... O.o here at man I can find the -H option for lpr ... (am i crazy?)
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| 11:28 | <evilx> SYNOPSIS
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| 11:28 | lpr [ -E ] [ -H server[:port] ] [ -U username ] [ -P destina-
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| 11:29 | your crazy, I even seen it in the man pages farther down
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| 11:29 | but I did locate an older lpr man page that has no -H
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| 11:30 | <maginot> evilx, well, indeed man lpr in the server shows -H but not in the chroot
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| 11:30 | diferent version ??
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| 11:30 | <evilx> maybe
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| 11:32 | <maginot> so ... should I update it?
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| 11:35 | seens to be the most recenty
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| 11:41 | Gadi, so... I can't do lpr -H in the chroot of the client because lpr there seens to not have this option ... only the lpr version in the server
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| 11:42 | <evilx> oh lxde is what on eeeboxs
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| 11:43 | <Gadi> maginot: is cups-bsd installed in the chroot?
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| 11:44 | <maginot> Gadi, cupsys-bsd are installed just in the server ... Im going to install on the chroot now
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| 11:46 | Gadi, are you thinking about using the same printers.conf of the server on the chroot?
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| 11:46 | <Gadi> nope
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| 11:46 | hadnt crossed my mind
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| 11:47 | my server's lpr comes from cups-bsd
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| 11:47 | and it has -H
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| 11:47 | :)
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| 11:47 | <maginot> nice thought ;D
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| 11:47 | lets see
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| 11:56 | what if were a cups server on the client with the same printer configuration of the server?
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| 11:57 | <Gadi> maginot: too much overhead
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| 11:57 | you just want the client to be a cups client to the server
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| 11:57 | and use all of its queues
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| 11:58 | and have the server spool
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| 11:58 | not the clients
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| 11:58 | (since clients have limited space)
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| 12:21 | <maginot> Gadi, haha perfect solution, after installing cupsys-bsd on client (and lpr get updated) I was able to print from an application (firefox) running from ltsp-localapps :)
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| 12:21 | <_UsUrPeR_> I'm trying to use the "--late-packages" option with ltsp-build-client in ubuntu 8.10. It doesn't seem to process any options past the first (i.e. if I include something like ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --copy-sourceslist --late-packages firefox flashplugin-nonfree java6) it does not seem to install past firefox
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| 12:22 | i the man page for ltsp-build-client, it says that separating packages with a space is the way to use the --late-packages option
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| 12:23 | <johnny> maybe you have to quote it
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| 12:23 | --late-packages "1 2 3"
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| 12:24 | <_UsUrPeR_> ahh
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| 12:24 | lemme try that
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| 12:24 | building client now :P
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| 12:29 | <johnny> _UsUrPeR_, just a suggestion.. i've never used it
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| 12:43 | <_UsUrPeR_> johnny: you are correct. it's in quotes.
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| 12:43 | Where would I submit a correction about that to?
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| 12:45 | <ogra> it should also say that you can comma separate it
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| 12:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> in the man page?
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| 12:47 | I tried commas previously. that's a no-go.
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| 12:48 | the message "could not find package firefox," came up
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| 12:48 | <ogra> ltsp-build-client --help
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| 12:48 | or --extra-help
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| 12:58 | <_UsUrPeR_> ogra: none of those imply nomenclature though
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| 12:58 | err formatting I should say
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| 13:17 | <Gadi> maginot: good deal!
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| 13:17 | we should document that somewhere
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| 13:17 | :)
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| 13:19 | <maginot> yeah its now printing ... well now have to solve the firefox 3 crashing, lets see if the same happen with firefox 2, there is something strange on firefox running from chroot localapp
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| 13:38 | <maginot> what should be causing firefox to crash on start ? if I try without ltsp-localapps its not crashing. The same version are in chroot and server, and all plugins are in the same structure on both server and client (like /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree | /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib[...])
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| 13:39 | Its crashing with a Segment Fault error output
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| 14:10 | <_UsUrPeR_> stgraber: ping
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| 14:22 | <stgraber> _UsUrPeR_: pong
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| 14:22 | <_UsUrPeR_> stgraber: hi. Working with your LVDS fix on a DLW 1520
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| 14:23 | <stgraber> ok, what distro ?
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| 14:23 | <_UsUrPeR_> stgraber: Does that script go in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/Xsesssion.d/XS20-xserver-intel-desktop-hack ?
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| 14:23 | using ubuntu 8.04
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| 14:23 | <stgraber> nope
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| 14:23 | won't work with 8.04
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| 14:23 | <_UsUrPeR_> ahh~~~
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| 14:24 | <stgraber> we only have the infrastructure for that since 8.10 with my PPA or 9.04 natively (will be released next month)
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| 14:24 | <_UsUrPeR_> Ok. is that the proper file placement?
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| 14:24 | <stgraber> no, it'll be /usr/share/ltsp/screen-session.d/
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| 14:24 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok, thank you
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| 14:25 | <stgraber> in Ubuntu 8.10 with my PPA and 9.04 (as it'll be released) the fix is included by default so the DLW1520 will work out of the box
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| 14:26 | <_UsUrPeR_> wonderful!
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| 14:52 | <maginot> guys, can anyone simple explain me whats inside the image that the dhcp send to the client? What is running in the client memory....
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| 14:53 | <johnny> everything needed to get you to a login screen :)
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| 14:54 | <Gadi> maginot: u mean the initramfs?
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| 14:54 | or the chroot?
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| 14:54 | <alkisg> Or pxelinux.0? :)
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| 14:54 | <maginot> okay
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| 14:55 | lets start again
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| 14:55 | when the clients login in the ldm
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| 14:55 | whats come to the memory and stays there until logout?
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| 14:56 | <Gadi> perhaps it would be easier to ask what you are concerned about
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| 14:56 | memory usage?
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| 14:56 | odd things happening?
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| 14:56 | <maginot> okay, no no, is more like if I install firefox in chroot this will be in the memory of the client?
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| 14:56 | <Gadi> when you run firefox as a local app
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| 14:57 | it will load firefox into thin client memory
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| 14:57 | the app itself is stored in the chroot image, which is on the server
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| 14:57 | <maginot> but first will fetch from server right?
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| 14:57 | ok
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| 14:57 | so is just the kernel that is on memory since boot?
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| 14:57 | <Gadi> you can have 100GB chroot without needing 100GB RAM in the client
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| 14:58 | <_UsUrPeR_> stgraber: where can I get your PPA?
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| 14:58 | <Gadi> the kernel + initramfs + any runtime applications
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| 14:58 | <maginot> Hmmm
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| 14:58 | okay
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| 14:58 | understand
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| 14:58 | thanks
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| 14:58 | <Gadi> like services needed in the chroot
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| 14:58 | like ltspfsd
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| 14:58 | for local devices
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| 14:58 | or ldm
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| 14:59 | <maginot> Hmm I see...
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| 14:59 | I have to go now, but tomorrow I would like to understand more about this thanks for now
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| 14:59 | <Gadi> ciao
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| 15:00 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: google for `stgraber ppa`, it's the first result :)
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| 15:00 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: oh :)
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| 15:00 | <Gadi> https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive/ppa
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| 15:00 | <_UsUrPeR_> thanks
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| 15:02 | <Gadi> !learn stgraber-ppa as https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive/ppa
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| 15:02 | <ltspbot> Gadi: The operation succeeded.
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| 15:02 | <Gadi> !stgraber-ppa
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| 15:02 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "stgraber-ppa" is https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive/ppa
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| 15:02 | * Gadi has a feeling that qu may come up a lot | |
| 15:02 | <_UsUrPeR_> quite possible
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| 15:04 | <johnny> so.. i had a credit monitoring service from the 3 bureaus .. i call to cancel .. since the last bad thing on my bill is not my fault.. and will probably take awhile to fix
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| 15:04 | and they're like.. let me give you a free month
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| 15:04 | i say.. ok
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| 15:04 | * johnny sets a reminder notice for next month | |
| 15:04 | * Gadi shakes his head | |
| 15:05 | <johnny> i bet when i call back then.. they'll give me another free month.. anything they can do to try to make me forget to cancel
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| 15:05 | so they can charge me $14
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| 15:05 | luckily.. i have a computer :)
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| 15:05 | that can remind me of such things
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| 15:06 | i'd say $14 isn't really that bad of a price to check all 3 .. and get the credit score
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| 15:06 | i just know that it is pointless to keep wathcing until that nonsense thing is gone
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| 15:07 | somehow.. virginia natural gas.. thinks i owe them $800.. :(
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| 15:07 | that's my only outstanding debt
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| 15:08 | now if only i can get them to realize.. it's not mine at all.. :(
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| 15:08 | i'll be debt free
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| 15:08 | <_UsUrPeR_> for my first car loan, I didn't bother checking until a problem came up
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| 15:08 | a CC that I had cancelled 4 years prior was showing up in experian that I owed them $15,000
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| 15:08 | took about 5 days to get it straightened out
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| 15:08 | <johnny> yeah..
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| 15:12 | <Gadi> so, which one of you where's a pirates costume and serves up fish filets?
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| 15:12 | *wears
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| 15:12 | hehe
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| 15:19 | <johnny> lol
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| 15:19 | ttime to go to work
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