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Channel log from 23 November 2009 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | <alkisg> So putting a line in dnsmasq.conf won't be a problem for him...
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| 00:00 | <cyberorg> li-f-e currently works with/without another dhcpd running in the network, i would like to keep the same feature but move to dnsmasq for 11.3 release as it seems much more flexible
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| 00:01 | <alkisg> Well, just change the line in dnsmasq.conf when you don't detect an existing dhcp server, then
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| 00:02 | I.e. when a *static* ip is defined, as opposed to a dynamic one
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| 00:02 | or something like that...
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| 00:02 | <cyberorg> yup that should work
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| 00:03 | <alkisg> (or ask an ip with dhclient and see if you get one)
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| 00:03 | <alkisg> (with a FAKE dhcp request...)
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| 00:04 | <cld> anyone have experience using ltsp in a classroom?
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| 00:04 | <cyberorg> i'll eat your head when i get to that :D
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| 00:04 | <alkisg> ipconfig -n eth0 ==> fake request
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| 00:04 | <cld> i am a preservice math teacher, and I'd like to learn more about using it
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| 00:05 | <cyberorg> cld, http://lizards.opensuse.org/2009/11/17/opensuse-edu-li-f-e-creating-open-minds/
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| 00:06 | thats got LTSP as well as tons of math applications :)
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| 00:07 | <cld> i am curious about the clients. is it usually possible to convert any computer with a pci slot?
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| 00:07 | does the mobo bios have to support network booting?
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| 00:07 | <cyberorg> cld, what kind of clients do you have?
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| 00:08 | <cld> none
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| 00:08 | i am doing a project for school... i am in an education program
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| 00:08 | <cyberorg> all mobos made in last few years with onboard nic are pxe boot capable
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| 00:11 | <cld> cyberorg, do you know any sites with cheap client setups?
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| 00:12 | <cyberorg> disklessworkstations.com is the main sponsors of LTSP :)
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| 00:12 | but you can use any old normal PCs, any CPU, 256MB RAM is recommended, more the better
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| 05:01 | <Denbert> I've installed a Ubuntu 9.10 LTSP server with 2 nics - It worked out of the box, but how do i implement it with an existing DHCP Server (My Firewall)?
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| 05:18 | <Appiah> just look at the dhcp config
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| 05:18 | merge it with your firewall
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| 05:22 | <Denbert> I asume its the /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf file I must edit
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| 05:25 | If I have an existing DHCP Server, wouldn't it be better to use one nic setup?
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| 05:26 | In order to be on same network
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| 05:35 | Right now I'm having this config: http://hegnstoften.net/pictures/Ubuntu_9.10_LTSP_Server_01.png
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| 08:11 | <moldy> hi
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| 08:11 | how do i store my alsa volume settings for the chroot?
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| 08:15 | <Appiah> think I've seen that on the wiki
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| 08:15 | before it got moved
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| 08:15 | and I think pulseaudio controls that not alsa
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| 08:22 | <Gadi> moldy: VOLUME=90 (VOLUME=all channel default)
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| 08:22 | moldy: or, <channel-name-in-caps>_VOLUME for channel specific
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| 08:22 | (in lts.conf, of course)
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| 08:29 | <moldy> Gadi: i need to mute the microphones
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| 08:29 | <Gadi> MIC_VOLUME=0
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| 08:29 | (normally)
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| 08:29 | unless the microphone channel for your driver is called something other than "Mic"
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| 08:30 | <moldy> Gadi: thanks... i have to microphone jacks though
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| 08:30 | "two"
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| 08:30 | how would i find out the channel names?
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| 08:30 | <Gadi> MIC_FRONT_VOLUME=0
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| 08:30 | you can find the channel names by running alsamixer in a shell on the client
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| 08:30 | (or alsmaixer -c0)
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| 08:31 | shell = either a shell screen or an ltsp-localapps xterm
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| 08:32 | <moldy> in alsamixer, it's called "front mic" and "mic"
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| 08:33 | <Gadi> so, MIC_VOLUME and FRONT_MIC_VOLUME
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| 08:33 | <moldy> Gadi: ok, thanks
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| 08:34 | hm, does not seem to work though
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| 08:34 | are the "human readable" channel names in alsamixer really the same as the internal ones?
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| 08:35 | <Gadi> should be. you can also do: amixer -c0 scontrols
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| 08:35 | <moldy> ah wait, it seems to work for one channel... probably the front one is misnamed... thank you, Gadi
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| 08:35 | <Gadi> but, make sure you are looking at the thin client soundcard and not the server ;)
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| 08:36 | <moldy> yep, i am on a local client shell :)
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| 08:36 | <Gadi> ok - try: amixer -c0 scontrols|grep -i mic
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| 08:38 | <moldy> ok, it works now -- great. thank you.
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| 08:51 | <dro> good morning guys
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| 08:56 | <rjune> good morning.
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| 09:01 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 09:01 | <rjune> sbalneav,
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| 09:01 | Can't ubuntu automount a windows share ?
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| 09:02 | <sbalneav> I have no idea
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| 09:02 | <rjune> I know it does it for LDA, but can it be made to work to mount a share on a server?
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| 09:02 | Isn't SMB used for LDA?
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| 09:02 | <sbalneav> Don't use windows.
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| 09:03 | <Gadi> rjune: you mean local devices?
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| 09:03 | <rjune> Gadi, well, yes
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| 09:03 | <Gadi> only in rdesktop
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| 09:03 | <rjune> LDA still == Local Device Access
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| 09:04 | <Gadi> :P
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| 09:04 | <rjune> so if I put a thumbdrive in the terminal, it shows up on my desktop
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| 09:04 | <Gadi> in linux, we use ltspfs for that
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| 09:04 | :P
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| 09:05 | <rjune> ah, ok.
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| 09:05 | <Gadi> in terms of automounting a windows share, look at pam_mount
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| 09:05 | (you need creds)
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| 09:10 | <rjune> yeah, I know.
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| 09:11 | <dro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
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| 09:11 | <rjune> I forgot ltsp wasn't using smb anymore
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| 09:11 | Thanks.
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| 09:11 | <dro> n/m that uses smb
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| 09:11 | lol
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| 09:20 | <dro> are there any documents out there that show how LTSP can save a user money
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| 09:21 | something like total cost of ownership, from saving money from reusing older computers or thin clients, to even using less power
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| 09:22 | <rjune> Not really current that I know of
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| 09:23 | Bye an Atom, get the power of a core2
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| 09:23 | Though from a marketing perspective, I think "desktop virtualization" is the buzzword to use
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| 09:24 | <irule> but I mention virtualization and all morons shout xen, quemu, kvm!
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| 09:25 | <sbalneav> dro: Not really, since each users' circumstances are different
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| 09:25 | irule: Well, those ARE virtualization technologies.
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| 09:25 | dro: Besides, we don't have a marketing department :)
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| 09:25 | <dro> sbalneav: that makes sense
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| 09:26 | <rjune> sbalneav, we need one. Gadi I choose you!
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| 09:26 | <dro> I think I might try to put something together and then have our marketing guy make it look better
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| 09:26 | <irule> just show them a hard drive price list and say -these terminal dont have a hard drive!
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| 09:27 | <Gadi> awesome, rjune. So, as marketing director, my total compensation package should look like this.... ;)
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| 09:28 | <sbalneav> I don't think we need one. We're not selling anything. We're giving our stuff away for free.
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| 09:28 | <rjune> sbalneav, so?
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| 09:29 | If you don't care if anybody uses it, then you're right. If you want to attract users and potential developers, than paying attention to what you're saying and how your saying it is relevant.
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| 09:29 | <sbalneav> So, we don't need to market it. People interested in using LTSP should do their own cost benefit analysis.
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| 09:29 | <rjune> as well as the *right* kind of users.
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| 09:29 | <sbalneav> I *dont* care if anyone uses ltsp.
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| 09:29 | <rjune> ok then.
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| 09:30 | <sbalneav> Well, do you? Or are you here for your own reasons?
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| 09:30 | <rjune> Who is in charge of the project these days? is jim still head?
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| 09:30 | at one time I did. at the moment I'm not so worried about it, but that may change.
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| 09:30 | * rjune is doing consulting again. | |
| 09:31 | <sbalneav> I don't think anyone's *in charge*, per se.
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| 09:32 | We seem to have gotten alonmg quite well for 10 years as a loose almalgam of hackers personally interested in LTSP. I'd hate to spoil the good thing we got going :)
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| 09:34 | <rjune> heh
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| 09:34 | For quite a while you and jim have had your hands on the tiller, pointing things in the right direction
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| 09:35 | <sbalneav> That's because it was just me and jim developing
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| 09:35 | now there's 5 or 6 people with their hands on the tiller
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| 09:35 | and that's fine by me.
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| 09:36 | I don't know about the rest of you, but personally, I think LTSP's one of the last, great truly "open" projects out there
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| 09:36 | no business plans
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| 09:36 | <sbalneav> no marketing
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| 09:36 | no management
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| 09:36 | no goald
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| 09:36 | goals
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| 09:36 | just a bunch of hackers doing cool things and having fun.
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| 09:37 | IMHO, "formalizing" things just sucks the fun out of ltsp. It turns it into work.
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| 09:39 | <irule> its not that hard
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| 09:40 | just fire up openoffice
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| 09:40 | and make an impress presentation for chimps full of cute graphs from google images :)
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| 09:43 | almost no text, just a hard drive with a red stroke on top whenever you mention a terminal, then a page that says less moving parts, les money per year
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| 09:44 | <irule> and money is the bosses magic words! dead hard drives mean money well saved
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| 09:44 | <jammcq> good morning friends
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| 09:44 | <irule> hi
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| 09:44 | talking here about TCO
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| 09:45 | <alkisg> dro: some general things about thin clients, TCO and climate there, by fraunhofer: http://it.umsicht.fraunhofer.de/TCecology/docs/TCecology2008_en.pdf
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| 09:45 | <irule> its not that hard, just fire up openoffice and make an impress presentation for chimps full of cute graphs from google images :) ... almost no text, just a hard drive with a red stroke on top whenever you mention a terminal, then a page that says less moving parts, les money per year, and money is the bosses magic words! dead hard drives mean money well saved
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| 09:45 | <alkisg> "If a desktop PC is replaced by a thin client and terminal server, the emissions of the workstation are reduced by more than 54 %. In terms of a complete system with LCD monitor the saving potential is 44 %."
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| 09:46 | 120 pages about TCO and climate, enjoy...
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| 09:46 | * alkisg never read all of it | |
| 09:47 | <rjune> howdy jim
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| 09:48 | <jammcq> hey rjune
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| 09:49 | <Indio> hi all
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| 09:49 | good morning
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| 09:50 | is anyone here?
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| 09:50 | <dro> alkisg: ty
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| 09:50 | Indio: i'm not, I'm hiding
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| 09:50 | <Indio> :D
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| 09:51 | <irule> Im here
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| 09:51 | <Indio> can someone tell me if is possible to use an usb smart card reader from a thin client?
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| 09:52 | if i attach the reader to the server all works fine
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| 09:53 | but plugged in the thin client no...
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| 09:59 | <Gadi> Indio: at this point, probably only if you run the program that uses the reader as a localapp and install pcscd in the chroot
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| 10:04 | <Indio> hmmm
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| 10:04 | thanks for the answer...
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| 10:04 | can you help me to do this?
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| 10:05 | * Gadi is going into a meeting, but perhaps later today? | |
| 10:06 | <Indio> ok... i'm going to find some documentation about this
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| 10:42 | <moldy> hi
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| 10:42 | <Indio> hi
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| 10:43 | <moldy> i copied my sources.list from the host system into the chroot and ran aptitude update inside the chroot. yet, aptitude inside the chroot still does not find the package "mozilla-firefox-locale-de-de". why?
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| 10:43 | i can install the package outside of the chroot
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| 10:53 | <Indio> i'm sorry i cant' help
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| 10:53 | i waiting for an help about smart card readers
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| 10:54 | <johnny> did you install pcscd ?
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| 10:54 | in the chroot
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| 10:54 | it probably requires more work tho, if you want to auth with the smartcard
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| 10:54 | as in.. programming..
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| 10:54 | <Indio> hi
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| 10:54 | well i do not need to auth with smartcard
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| 10:55 | i only need to make a thinclient use a smartcard to produce signed email and documents
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| 10:55 | i have an ACR38 reader that plugged on server works well but not on the thin clients
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| 10:56 | <johnny> i bet it will require custom work
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| 10:56 | to pass the data properly between client and server
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| 10:56 | <alkisg> moldy: huh? what distro is that?
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| 10:57 | <Indio> in my case i need only to get an application to use the card
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| 10:58 | 1 application and 1 card
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| 10:59 | do you think that if i install reader driver, pcscd and the app locally using ltsp-localapps and chroot it will work
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| 11:01 | <moldy> alkisg: karmic
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| 11:01 | <alkisg> moldy: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install language-pack-de language-pack-gnome-de
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| 11:01 | (one of those two anyways...)
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| 11:02 | <moldy> alkisg: well, i only want the firefox l10n
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| 11:02 | alkisg: since i run firefox as a local app
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| 11:02 | <alkisg> moldy: well, ubuntu has all of them in language packs
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| 11:02 | <moldy> alkisg: why do i see the package outside of the chroot then?
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| 11:02 | <alkisg> So while I think you could do that in Debian, you can't in Ubuntu... afaik
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| 11:03 | It's a virtual package, not a real one. What do you get if you try dpkg -l that package?
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| 11:03 | sorry, dpkg -L
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| 11:03 | If there is indeed such a package, you can see the source it uses with apt-cache policy <packagename>
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| 11:03 | <moldy> a listing of paths
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| 11:03 | <alkisg> Hmmm weird, I don't have such a package for Greek firefox
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| 11:04 | OK, what do you get with apt-cache policy?
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| 11:04 | <moldy> maybe it's different for german and greek
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| 11:04 | <alkisg> I should be able to see the german package, though
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| 11:04 | I don't
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| 11:04 | <moldy> i might have a different sources.list than you have
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| 11:05 | <alkisg> OK. What does apt-cache policy tell you?
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| 11:05 | <moldy> i'm trying to install a nopaste utility right now :)
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| 11:06 | <alkisg> sudo apt-get install pastebinit
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| 11:06 | E.g. here are the Greek firefox translations: alkisg@alkis:~$ dpkg -L language-pack-el-base | grep 'firefox.*jar'
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| 11:06 | /usr/lib/firefox-addons/extensions/langpack-el@firefox-3.5.ubuntu.com/chrome/el.jar
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| 11:06 | <moldy> dpkg -L mozilla-firefox-locale-de-de
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| 11:06 | http://pastebin.com/f38b4ec56
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| 11:07 | <alkisg> That was apt-cache policy. Can you also paste dpkg -L?
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| 11:07 | <moldy> ah, sorry
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| 11:07 | <alkisg> And, dpkg -L language-pack-de-base | grep 'firefox.*jar'
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| 11:08 | <moldy> http://pastebin.com/f249a4266
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| 11:08 | dpkg -L language-pack-de-base|grep 'firefox.*jar' ==> /usr/lib/firefox-addons/extensions/langpack-de@firefox-3.5.ubuntu.com/chrome/de.jar
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| 11:08 | <alkisg> RIght
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| 11:09 | <moldy> my point is, i don't want to bloat the client environment more than necessary
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| 11:09 | installing l10n for a whole system just because of firefox sounds like overkill
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| 11:09 | <johnny> that's how it goes sometimes..
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| 11:10 | <moldy> but even putting that issue apart, i'd like to understand why i see different packages outside of the chroot than inside it, with an identical sources.list
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| 11:10 | <alkisg> moldy: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+copy-packages?field.name_filter=mozilla-firefox-locale-de-de&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=karmic ==> No matching package for 'mozilla-firefox-locale-de-de'.
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| 11:11 | <moldy> alkisg: i guess it's from universe or multiverse or something
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| 11:11 | <alkisg> And, the apt-cache policy you pasted confirms that it isn't in any repository
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| 11:11 | <moldy> alkisg: so, it's a leftover from a previous version probably?
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| 11:11 | <alkisg> I don't know...
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| 11:11 | <moldy> i think that machine was upgraded from dapper, or possibly even from a version before dapper
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| 11:12 | <alkisg> Could be then.
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| 11:12 | So afaik the only (correct) way to do it is to install language-pack-de in the chroot
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| 11:12 | <moldy> ok, http://packages.ubuntu.com/de/dapper/mozilla-firefox-locale-de-de
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| 11:12 | <alkisg> Of course you could manually copy the files, but that's not a proper solution...
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| 11:13 | <moldy> ok, it's obviously a leftover from dapper. that explains it. thanks.
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| 11:13 | <alkisg> Hey, weird, it's also there in Hardy. Maybe it's only there in LTS releases?
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| 11:13 | <moldy> possible
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| 11:14 | i think that machine's history is dapper->hardy->karmic
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| 11:14 | <alkisg> I don't think it's possible to upgrade from hardy to karmic
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| 11:14 | It has to pass through jaunty first
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| 11:14 | <moldy> right, dapper->hardy->jaunty->karmic
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| 11:14 | i can never remember those names :)
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| 11:15 | <alkisg> Hmmm yeah we also have it in LTS releases: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/mozilla-firefox-locale-el
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| 11:17 | <Indio> hi where ca i find ltsp-localapps in ubuntu hardy??
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| 11:17 | <johnny> they don't exist
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| 11:17 | not officiallly anyways..
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| 11:17 | they weren't good enough by the time hardy was released
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| 11:18 | <moldy> they are pretty awesome now, btw
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| 11:19 | i have 10-12 people sitting at ltsp terminals right now doing web multimedia (youtube, flash games)
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| 11:20 | <Indio> hmm in what packages?
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| 11:21 | <moldy> Indio: what do you mean? i am running karmic.
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| 11:21 | <Indio> ltsp5?
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| 11:21 | <johnny> Indio, you need to use a newer release than hardy
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| 11:21 | <moldy> Indio: yes, of course ltsp5
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| 11:22 | <Indio> hmm how can install ltsp5 on hardy
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| 11:23 | <johnny> you do have ltsp5
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| 11:23 | on hardy
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| 11:23 | just not a new enough one
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| 11:23 | if you want a newer one, you should probably upgrade
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| 11:23 | <moldy> one thing i notice: it seems i cannot shutdown/reboot a karmic client from within the gnome session. when i select shutdown/reboot, it just logs out the user and returns to ldm. why is that?
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| 11:23 | <johnny> because tha'ts how it always worked moldy ?
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| 11:23 | we can't do any better until there is some sort of dbus interaction between client and server
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| 11:24 | which we haven't figured out yet..
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| 11:24 | we probably need to schedule a meeting with dbus guys..
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| 11:24 | <moldy> johnny: i think the difference is that before karmic, it did not display the shutdown/reboot options inside the session
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| 11:24 | <johnny> oh..
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| 11:24 | yeah.. i don't know how we hacked that
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| 11:24 | wasn't me
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| 11:24 | <moldy> it's not a big issue, but it can be somewhat confusing
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| 11:24 | <johnny> no more than anything else imo :)
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| 11:25 | <moldy> i *think* it even rebooted/shutted down the server before, if you were logged in as an admin user
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| 11:25 | "shutted" is wrong, right? ah well :)
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| 11:26 | <alkisg> moldy: there was a patch for fast-user-switch-applet about this
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| 11:26 | <johnny> you had to have admin access still moldy
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| 11:26 | <alkisg> Unfortunately, Karmic now uses the new indicator applet
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| 11:27 | <johnny> /me wonders why ubuntu folks do what they do
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| 11:27 | <alkisg> So the patch no longer applies... someone has to come up with a new patch
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| 11:27 | <johnny> it doesn't make sense sometime
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| 11:27 | <alkisg> (or, patch it properly so that reboot is really supported)
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| 11:27 | <johnny> alkisg, that requires work on our side..
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| 11:27 | not theirs
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| 11:27 | or work on the dbus level really
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| 11:27 | <alkisg> Yup. It can be done without dbus, though...
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| 11:27 | <johnny> that's not how it should be done
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| 11:28 | it should be done with dbus
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| 11:29 | <alkisg> johnny: how can you reboot a client with dbus?
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| 11:29 | <Indio> can someone tell me the repository for an updated ltsp5 for hardy?
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| 11:30 | <alkisg> !stgraber-ppa
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| 11:30 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "stgraber-ppa" is https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive/ppa
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| 11:30 | <alkisg> Indio: ^^^
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| 11:30 | <Indio> this?
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| 11:30 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 11:31 | <Indio> ok i try it
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| 11:31 | <johnny> alkisg, it sends the signal to the thing that actually does the work
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| 11:32 | <alkisg> johnny: do you know exactly what that is? I tried to look for such a dbus api, but I didn't find it...
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| 11:32 | <johnny> hmm.. isn't there.. under devicekit power?
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| 11:32 | or hal.powermanagement
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| 11:32 | depending on which distro..
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| 11:32 | and how new
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| 11:33 | <alkisg> Karmic... I can't find it
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| 11:34 | I see hibernate and suspend, but not reboot or shutdown
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| 11:34 | <johnny> hmm.. weird.. got suspend, and hibernate
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| 11:35 | console kit has CanStop and CanRestart
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| 11:37 | <alkisg> Ah, I got something in the session bus - in org.gnome.SessionManager
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| 11:38 | <johnny> alkisg, it's all irrelvant anyways.. until we can find a way to show thin client hardware to remote login
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| 11:38 | by merging the system buses.. or at least having the thin client session *think* we have it merged
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| 11:38 | <alkisg> I'd like that for italc as well, for standalone clients
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| 11:39 | * alkisg tries the shutdown method... | |
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| 11:39 | <alkisg> Hmm, I got the gnome shutdown dialog...
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| 11:43 | <alkisg> Heh, requestshutdown() did it
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| 11:45 | <johnny> seems like it should be at the system bus huh
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| 11:45 | i have a feeling they're still working on the right things at the right places
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| 11:45 | hopefully trying to standardize it
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| 11:45 | between kde/gnome/xfce/etc
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| 11:46 | uggh.. yum is terrible
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| 11:46 | takes forever to do anything
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| 13:04 | <marcelo> hey guys
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| 13:05 | is it possible to install a ltsp kernel from ubuntu 9.10 in an LTSP running in Ubuntu 8.10 ?
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| 13:34 | <alkisg> marcelo: I think it might work...
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| 13:38 | <marcelo> where can I get the latest kernel ?
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| 13:40 | <alkisg> From the karmic repositories - but it may be easier if you just ask someone with ubuntu 9.10 to give his tftpboot dir to you...
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| 13:43 | <sbalneav> With a little bit of tweaking, I run a jaunty chroot on a hardy server.
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| 13:56 | <akuepker> anybody with experience running DisklessWorkstations 1420 terminals on Kubuntu 9.10? I get kicked back out to the login prompt 2/3 through the KDE setup.
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| 13:57 | <CAN-o-SPAM> akuepker: ping _UsUrPeR_
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| 13:57 | * _UsUrPeR_ appears | |
| 13:58 | <akuepker> sorry. didn't quite parse.
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| 13:58 | * _UsUrPeR_ reads above | |
| 13:59 | <_UsUrPeR_> akuepker: do you see the LDM loading screen, or do you see a terminal?
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| 13:59 | <akuepker> i believe the LDM loading screen. When I switch the "KDE splash" to basic, it gets about 2/3 of the bar across.
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| 13:59 | <sbalneav> akuepker: have you checked in the user's $HOME/.xsession-errors file?
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| 14:00 | <akuepker> yes. all sorts of errors, but only some I understand.
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| 14:00 | <sbalneav> !pastebot
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| 14:00 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 14:00 | <sbalneav> Can you p[aste it to there please?
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| 14:00 | and tell us the link?
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| 14:01 | <akuepker> will do
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| 14:02 | <CAN-o-SPAM> sbalneav: are you running your 1420?
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| 14:03 | <akuepker> http://ltsp.pastebin.com/d6d823132
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| 14:03 | * _UsUrPeR_ reads | |
| 14:04 | <sbalneav> CAN-o-SPAM: yep
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| 14:05 | works fine, but I'rm runninng gnome
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| 14:05 | <CAN-o-SPAM> sbalneav: os?
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| 14:05 | <sbalneav> hardy
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| 14:05 | <_UsUrPeR_> akuepker: did you notice any errors while building the chroot filesystem?
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| 14:06 | <sbalneav> akuepker: Hmmm. Try putting LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file
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| 14:06 | <akuepker> I assume /var/lib/tftpboot/ ?
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| 14:07 | <_UsUrPeR_> /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 14:07 | if no file exists, it should look like this: http://ltsp.pastebin.com/m2db12e61
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| 14:07 | akuepker: ^^
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| 14:10 | <akuepker> no change
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| 14:10 | same behavior
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| 14:11 | <_UsUrPeR_> akuepker: Let's try rebuilding the image.
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| 14:11 | akuepker: mv /opt/ltsp /opt/ltsp-old
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| 14:11 | akuepker: ltsp-build-client --arch i386
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| 14:12 | <akuepker> rebuild running now
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| 14:13 | <_UsUrPeR_> let me know if a problem appears while rebuilding.
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| 14:18 | <sbalneav> Getting the docs uploaded to SlowForge err SourceForge now :)
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| 14:18 | !docs
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| 14:18 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 14:19 | <sbalneav> I really, REALLY hate that "is" in there
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| 14:19 | REALLY
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| 14:20 | <_UsUrPeR_> !ltspbot`--
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| 14:20 | :)
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| 14:20 | !karma ltspbot`
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| 14:20 | <ltspbot`> _UsUrPeR_: Karma for "ltspbot`" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1.
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| 14:24 | <mgariepy> hi everyone!
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| 14:26 | <sbalneav> !docs
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| 14:26 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 14:26 | <sbalneav> !docs
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| 14:26 | !docs
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| 14:26 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 14:26 | sbalneav: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 14:27 | <sbalneav> !s
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| 14:27 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "s" :: Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 14:27 | <sbalneav> There
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| 14:27 | <mgariepy> always playing with the bot ?
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| 14:27 | <sbalneav> No
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| 14:27 | But the "is" in there kept bugging me
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| 14:28 | it's not smart enough to sub "are" or whatever's appropriate
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| 14:28 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 14:28 | <sbalneav> and seeing "docs is ..."
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| 14:28 | just offends the grammar nazi in me.
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| 14:28 | anyway, on to the REAL purpose of what I was doing:
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| 14:29 | ltspbot: forget docs
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| 14:29 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: The operation succeeded.
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| 14:29 | <vagrantc> back to the state of anarchy we all know and love
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| 14:29 | <sbalneav> ltspbot: learn docs as For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 14:29 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: The operation succeeded.
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| 14:30 | <sbalneav> Now I just need to get the old pastebot back.
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| 14:31 | <akuepker> hmm.
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| 14:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> akuepker: any luck?
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| 14:32 | <akuepker> found an error
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| 14:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> akuepker: ?
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| 14:32 | <akuepker> 3 lines ok to post here?
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| 14:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> should be ;)
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| 14:32 | copy-pasta that
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| 14:32 | <akuepker> debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Passthrough
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| 14:32 | debconf: (Failed to open fd 3: Bad file descriptor at (eval 22) line 3)
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| 14:32 | debconf: falling back to frontend: Noninteractive
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| 14:33 | udev, tzdata, and sysv-rc
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| 14:34 | update-rc.d: warning: keyboard-setup start runlevel arguments (none) do not match LSB Default-Start values (S)
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| 14:34 | update-rc.d: warning: keyboard-setup stop runlevel arguments (S) do not match LSB Default-Stop values (none)
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| 14:34 | <_UsUrPeR_> did that dump out of the ltsp-build-client?
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| 14:34 | <akuepker> yes
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| 14:34 | <vagrantc> akuepker: this on debian testing or unstable?
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| 14:34 | <akuepker> it's still running
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| 14:35 | should be a vanilla kubuntu 9.10 with apt-get install of LTSP5
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| 14:47 | <alkisg> sbalneav: you could put a php pastebot at sourceforge..
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| 14:57 | <Denbertuz> Installed a fresh Ubuntu 9.10 LTSP Server - with one NIC - Having integrated exixting gateway to dhcp3-server conf
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| 14:58 | I'm receiving login screen, but no server responce?
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| 14:58 | <alkisg> sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 15:01 | <Denbertuz> Creating 4.0 filesystem...
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| 15:02 | Wow - thanx, worked like a charm
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| 15:02 | <alkisg> ;)
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| 15:08 | <_UsUrPeR_> akuepker: any news?
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| 15:08 | <akuepker> _UsUrPer_: ran ltsp_build_client. same behavior
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| 15:09 | just finished. looking through the errors now
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| 15:09 | <_UsUrPeR_> hmm :/
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| 15:09 | <akuepker> a fair number of the debconf errors about being 'unable to initialize frontend'
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| 15:09 | well, warnings, not really errors
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| 15:10 | <_UsUrPeR_> akuepker: Mind if I inquire as to your use of KDE?
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| 15:10 | <akuepker> our users don't like Gnome. We're support about 200 social workers with half dozen servers in 5 buildings.
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| 15:11 | worked just fine under Debian to this point, but we wanted something a little slicker.
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| 15:15 | <pyxus> hi, someone know how detect why y dont recieve request from client machine?
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| 15:16 | <pyxus> y desactivate the firewall and in the log file message not register event
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| 15:17 | <alkisg> pyxus: what kind of request? dhcp request?
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| 15:17 | <pyxus> yes
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| 15:17 | y try with virtual machine in the server an the request is ok
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| 15:18 | <alkisg> distro/version?
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| 15:18 | <pyxus> fedora 11 whith ltsp ver3
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| 15:18 | * alkisg has no clue about fedora | |
| 15:19 | <pyxus> ok
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| 15:20 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg / sbalneav: any ideas for akuepker?
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| 15:20 | <_UsUrPeR_> akuepker: maybe an installation with ubuntu, then switch the windows manager after installation
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| 15:21 | <akuepker> recommend using the Alternatives CD for a LTSP5 off the CD?
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| 15:21 | <_UsUrPeR_> akuepker: correct. ubuntu 9.10 alternate
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| 15:21 | install kde after :)
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| 15:21 | <akuepker> ok. will give that a whirl.
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| 15:21 | <_UsUrPeR_> k
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| 15:29 | <_UsUrPeR_> akuepker: after the installation, shoot me an email to support@disklessworkstations.com . Let me know how things go.
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| 15:38 | <akuepker> will do
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| 16:47 | <akuepker> _UsUrPeR_: re-installed using Ubuntu 9.10 Alt w/ LTSP mode. same failures under Gnome as before under Kubuntu. Email on the way to you as requested.
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| 19:39 | <mobster_s> hi, anyone can help with login issue with thin clients on ltsp?
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| 19:43 | <mobster_s> hi, anyone can help with login issue with thin clients on ltsp? On the client I get the login GUI, but on entering a valid user/pass I get a black screen with just the mouse pointer. ctrl-alt-f1 will not work at this point, but on the login gui when I try it, I get login prompt. Using this I get login incorect even tho its a valid user. Anyone have any ideas I can try?
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| 19:44 | <johnny> a valid user on your server?
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| 19:44 | did you change the ip or anything?
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| 19:45 | <mobster_s> not the IP, but I did change location from one building to another
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| 19:45 | actually IP of second NIC did change
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| 19:45 | <johnny> run ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 19:45 | and perhaps ltsp-update-image -a i386
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| 19:45 | <mobster_s> yes I already tried that, no luck
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| 19:46 | tried that also
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| 19:46 | <johnny> then set a password on the chroot, rebuild the image
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| 19:46 | and login on the console
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| 19:46 | and read /var/log/ldm.log
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| 19:46 | <vagrantc> don't bother setting a password, just use SCREEN_XX=shell
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| 19:46 | then you don't have to rebuild the image
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| 19:46 | where XX is an available tty
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| 19:47 | <mobster_s> login on the console= login to the server? or login to console of thin client?
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| 19:48 | <vagrantc> i think johnny was talking about debugging on the thin client
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| 19:49 | <johnny> i've had trouble with that screen var..
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| 19:49 | maybe that's just me tho..
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| 19:51 | <mobster_s1> sorry laptop died.
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| 19:51 | last question was: login on the console= login to the server? or login to console of thin client?
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| 19:54 | <mobster_s1> anyone?
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