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Channel log from 27 January 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:46 | <gnunux> hi
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| 08:16 | <Pod2> are the missing pages from the ltsp.org wiki likely to return at any point?
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| 08:16 | <cyberorg> !docs @ Pod2
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| 08:16 | <ltspbot`> cyberorg: Error: "docs" is not a valid command.
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| 08:16 | <cyberorg> !doc
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| 08:16 | <ltspbot`> cyberorg: Error: "doc" is not a valid command.
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| 08:17 | <cyberorg> Pod2, they moved, click the link on ltsp.org
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| 08:17 | <alkisg> !docs
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| 08:17 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 08:17 | <cyberorg> !docs
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| 08:17 | <ltspbot`> cyberorg: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 08:18 | <cyberorg> !docs @ Pod2
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| 08:18 | <ltspbot`> cyberorg: Error: "docs" is not a valid command.
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| 08:18 | <cyberorg> hmm, bot needs fixing
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| 08:18 | <alkisg> cyberorg: nah, it doesn't support @ or > or |...
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| 08:18 | So ^^^ has to suffice :)
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| 08:18 | <cyberorg> alkisg, that needs fixing :)
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| 08:18 | <alkisg> We need another bot :)
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| 08:19 | <cyberorg> isn't this supybot?
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| 08:19 | <Pod2> ok,from that it looks like the ubuntu wiki is where most of it is (as well as the main pdf file of course)
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| 08:19 | <cyberorg> i thought supybot supports that
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| 08:21 | <Pod2> I've used a (_very_ slightly) modified script that sbalneav posted to enable remote reboot of clients - where should I put that?
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| 10:16 | <coordinador> hi
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| 10:17 | cannot login in the terminals
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| 10:17 | i did update sskeys and update image
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| 10:17 | but cannot login
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| 10:17 | i will try rebooting the server
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| 10:18 | may be there is a problem with services
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| 10:28 | <coordinador> ok, i cannot login to the terminals
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| 10:29 | i did everything: update keys, update image, reboot server
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| 10:29 | reboot terminal, and cannot login
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| 10:32 | <alkisg> distro/version?
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| 10:38 | <coordinador> alkisg, ubuntu 9.10
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| 10:38 | <alkisg> coordinador: put SCREEN_02=shell SCREEN_07=ldm in lts.conf, reboot the client, press alt+ctrl+f2, and run:
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| 10:38 | ssh <put-some-username-here>@server
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| 10:39 | DON'T change "server", leave it as it is
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| 10:39 | <coordinador> is lts.conf in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc ?
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| 10:39 | <alkisg> No, in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 10:39 | <coordinador> or in /var..?
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| 10:40 | ok
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| 10:40 | <alkisg> Do you know how to create a valid lts.conf?
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| 10:40 | [Default]
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| 10:40 | SCREEN_02=shell
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| 10:40 | SCREEN_07=ldm
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| 10:40 | Put those 3 lines ^^^
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| 10:41 | <coordinador> done, rebooting terminal
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| 10:46 | <johnny> alkisg, that's why i suggested we read the ldm.log and put it in a text widget in ldm :)
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| 10:46 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 10:46 | win 3
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| 10:47 | <alkisg> johnny: sure, no objection from me, I'm not concerned at all about security :)
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| 10:47 | sbalneav: I think win 3.11 is already out, maybe you should update...
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| 10:47 | <sbalneav> Sorry, forgot my / in front of my irssi command
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| 10:47 | <alkisg> :P
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| 10:47 | <sbalneav> :)
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| 10:48 | <alkisg> Doesn't alt+3 work?
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| 10:48 | <johnny> alkisg, security?
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| 10:48 | <johnny> i don't think much of a risk is to be gained by exposing such info
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| 10:48 | <jammcq> hello friends
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| 10:48 | <alkisg> johnny: well, "send username=johnny" ==> maybe someone doesn't want people reading logs?
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| 10:48 | * alkisg doesn't care either way | |
| 10:48 | <alkisg> Hi jammcq :)
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| 10:49 | <johnny> you typed in the name
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| 10:49 | you should know the name you just typed in
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| 10:49 | no loss of security there
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| 10:49 | <alkisg> johnny: is the log overwritten on every logout?
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| 10:49 | <johnny> it's not saved anywhere..
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| 10:49 | it's in the chroot
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| 10:49 | it dies everytime
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| 10:49 | <alkisg> So, if user 1 logs in, and the user 2 sits on the thin clients?
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| 10:49 | *then, *client
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| 10:50 | <johnny> on a different client? they have a different root
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| 10:50 | <alkisg> No, on the same client
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| 10:50 | E.g. if I haven't rebooted a thin client for a year, it'll have a biiig ldm.log there...
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| 10:50 | <johnny> ah ok
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| 10:50 | that's an easy problem to solve
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| 10:51 | <Pod2> I found a way to remotely reboot clients \o/
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| 10:51 | http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg31963.html
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| 10:52 | /sbin/poweroff -fp turns off the client. I just changed that to /sbin/reboot to restart them
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| 10:55 | <coordinador> alkisg,when i do ctrl+alt+f2 to see the localconsole i got weird things in screen, with colours
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| 10:56 | <sbalneav> !docs
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| 10:56 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 10:57 | <jammcq> sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 10:57 | <alkisg> coordinador: try ALSO putting XSERVER=vesa in lts.conf
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| 10:58 | <sbalneav> jammcq!!!!
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| 10:58 | <coordinador> ok
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| 10:58 | <sbalneav> !karma jammcq
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| 10:58 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: Karma for "jammcq" has been increased 8192 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 8192.
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| 10:58 | <sbalneav> Still #1 I see :)
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| 10:58 | !karma
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| 10:58 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: Highest karma: "jammcq" (8192), "sbalneav" (9), and "dtrask" (7). Lowest karma: "alkisg" (-1), "ltspbot`" (-1), and "_UsUrPeR_" (0). You (sbalneav) are ranked 2 out of 18.
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| 10:59 | <sbalneav> Who's done that to alkisg?!?!!
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| 10:59 | <alincoln> hah
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| 10:59 | <jammcq> hmm, that's alot of responsiblity to carry around
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| 10:59 | <alkisg> Yey I'm the head of the class!
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| 10:59 | <sbalneav> !alkisg++
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| 10:59 | !alkisg++
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| 10:59 | !alkisg++
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| 10:59 | !alkisg++
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| 10:59 | !alkisg++
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| 10:59 | !karma
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| 10:59 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: Highest karma: "jammcq" (8192), "sbalneav" (9), and "dtrask" (7). Lowest karma: "ltspbot`" (-1), "_UsUrPeR_" (0), and "Ahmuck" (1). You (sbalneav) are ranked 2 out of 18.
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| 10:59 | <jammcq> !alkisg++
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| 10:59 | * _UsUrPeR_ forms a investigative subcommittee to see why jammcq's score is inordinately high | |
| 10:59 | * alkisg has done it to hisself as a punishment for giving -1 to UsUrPeR as a Joke :) | |
| 10:59 | <sbalneav> !karma
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| 10:59 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: Highest karma: "jammcq" (8192), "sbalneav" (9), and "dtrask" (7). Lowest karma: "ltspbot`" (-1), "_UsUrPeR_" (0), and "Ahmuck" (1). You (sbalneav) are ranked 2 out of 18.
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| 10:59 | <sbalneav> !karma alkisg
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| 10:59 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: Karma for "alkisg" has been increased 7 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of 5.
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| 11:00 | <_UsUrPeR_> skulduggery at it's highest order!
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| 11:00 | <sbalneav> there we go.
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| 11:00 | <alkisg> :)
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| 11:00 | <jammcq> _UsUrPeR_: I suspect foul play
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| 11:00 | <sbalneav> _UsUrPeR_: Being a close personal travelling companion of the bot admin helps.
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| 11:02 | * _UsUrPeR_ stuns the committee with allegations that jammcq has been receiving kickbacks from the ltspbot for hosting "services" | |
| 11:02 | * _UsUrPeR_ contacts CNN | |
| 11:02 | <coordinador> OMG i put xserver=vesa and now i can log in :S
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| 11:03 | !karma coordinador
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| 11:03 | <ltspbot`> coordinador: coordinador has neutral karma.
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| 11:03 | <coordinador> :P
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| 11:04 | <alkisg> coordinador: your graphics driver _might_ have a problem with compiz ;)
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| 11:06 | <coordinador> now that compiz is disabled can i comment xserver=vesa ?
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| 11:06 | <Gadi> stupid compiz
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| 11:07 | <coordinador> :o
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| 11:07 | <_UsUrPeR_> compiz--
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| 11:07 | <alkisg> coordinador: how did you disable compiz? For the current user?
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| 11:07 | <_UsUrPeR_> !compiz--
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| 11:07 | <jammcq> Gadi++
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| 11:07 | <alkisg> Heh
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| 11:07 | <Gadi> jammcq: !!!
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| 11:07 | <sbalneav> coordinador: apt-get purge compiz I find works very well.
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| 11:07 | <jammcq> Gadi: yep, it's me. in the flesh
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| 11:07 | <coordinador> i just login as the normal user with Xserver=vesa command in lts.conf
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| 11:07 | <Gadi> jammcq: you've become a real softie on the mailing list ;)
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| 11:07 | tugs at the heartstrings
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| 11:07 | :)
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| 11:07 | <jammcq> yeah
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| 11:08 | <coordinador> i think now that compiz is disabled for this user, i can login with normal drivers
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| 11:08 | <alkisg> !learn disable-compiz as To disable compiz, try: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 11:08 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 11:08 | <alkisg> !disable-compiz
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| 11:08 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "disable-compiz" :: To disable compiz, try: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 11:08 | <alkisg> coordinador: try this command ^
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| 11:08 | <coordinador> damn! it didnt work
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| 11:08 | <Gadi> jammcq: did you see stgraber's bootchart?
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| 11:08 | <alkisg> It disables compiz for all users...
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| 11:08 | <coordinador> ok alkisg i will try that command
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| 11:09 | <alkisg> coordinador: you don't have to reboot the client..
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| 11:09 | Just run it on the server
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| 11:09 | <coordinador> longest command ever
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| 11:09 | ok, ill try
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| 11:09 | <sbalneav> I still prefer apt-get purge compiz && remove-from-upstream-repo compiz && target-icbm-on-upstream-hosting-service compiz
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| 11:09 | <coordinador> OMG it works!!
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| 11:09 | <sbalneav> But that's just me.
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| 11:10 | <coordinador> :D thank you
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| 11:10 | im testing the youtube speed
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| 11:10 | <alkisg> !learn disable-compiz-the-sbalneav-way as apt-get purge compiz && remove-from-upstream-repo compiz && target-icbm-on-upstream-hosting-service compiz
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| 11:10 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 11:10 | <alkisg> :)
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| 11:10 | <sbalneav> LOL
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| 11:11 | <_UsUrPeR_> heh
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| 11:11 | <sbalneav> "So, Scott! Tell us what you really think about compiz!"
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| 11:12 | <jammcq> knucklehead
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| 11:12 | <Pod2> ok, I'm still(!) having problems with local devices. Which is more likely to work as the client chroot, debian lenny or squeeze ?
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| 11:13 | <vagrantc> Pod2: squeeze or lenny with backports.
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| 11:13 | <Pod2> ok, I'll stick with squeeze for the moment then
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| 11:13 | just waiting for the client to finish booting and I'll let you know where it gets to
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| 11:14 | I do have the right kernel version now :)
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| 11:14 | <vagrantc> Pod2: what sorts of trouble?
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| 11:15 | yeah, running the appropriate kernel helps a lot :)
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| 11:15 | <Pod2> from memory, the client sees the stick and I can mount it manually. Doesn't appear in either ldm, startx or rdesktop sessions though
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| 11:15 | I've tried all kinds of combinations, so I need to run it again to make sure
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| 11:16 | can you run screen scripts manually from the shell?
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| 11:16 | <vagrantc> it will never appear in "startx/xdmcp".
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| 11:16 | it requires some trickery to appear in rdesktop
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| 11:16 | but ldm... that should work...
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| 11:16 | <Pod2> thought so, but tried it anyway
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| 11:16 | <vagrantc> Pod2: are the devices showing up in /var/run/ltspfs_fstab ?
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| 11:17 | <ogra> vagrantc, so i'm arranging the freegek visit, any particular day next week that would be best for you (and time)
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| 11:18 | <vagrantc> ogra: great! :)
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| 11:18 | <jammcq> ogra: you going to Portland?
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| 11:18 | <ogra> jammcq, yep, distro sprint
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| 11:18 | <jammcq> wow
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| 11:18 | stopping by detroit on the way?
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| 11:18 | <ogra> vagrantc, i have to give the managers a time so they can approve 1-2h off during business hours
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| 11:18 | jammcq, only seattle
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| 11:19 | <jammcq> bummer
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| 11:19 | <vagrantc> ogra: in general, earlier would be better than later... would it be feasible to make it part of an extended lunch or some such?
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| 11:19 | <ogra> sounds ok
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| 11:19 | <vagrantc> ogra: first week of feb?
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| 11:20 | <ogra> next week, yes
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| 11:20 | i'm arriving on sat.
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| 11:21 | <Pod2> yes, the device appears in /var/run/ltspfs_fstab
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| 11:21 | <ogra> vagrantc, hmm ...
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| 11:21 | <Pod2> yay! \o/
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| 11:21 | <vagrantc> Pod2: should work with ldm, then ...
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| 11:21 | <ogra> vagrantc, managers dont seem so happy and would prefer if we could end one day of the sprint early rather
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| 11:21 | <Pod2> I compiled rdesktop from svn and it's fixed the black mouse cursor \o/
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| 11:25 | ok, ldm starting now. Take ages on this client...
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| 11:28 | lol, it's so long since I've used the linux desktop. Where is the usb drive supposed to be? I'm using icewm as the window manager if that makes a difference
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| 11:28 | <johnny> in /media .. most other desktops automount it, i don't think icewm does
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| 11:29 | err show it in the desktop
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| 11:30 | <vagrantc> most, as in GNOME
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| 11:30 | KDE doesn't, LXDE doesn't, XFCE doesn't...
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| 11:32 | <Pod2> I don't have a desktop - no icons. Can I get to it manually?
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| 11:32 | <vagrantc> Pod2: look in /media/$USERNAME
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| 11:33 | <Pod2> the server /media only has it's cdrom
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| 11:33 | <vagrantc> user in the fuse group?
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| 11:35 | <Pod2> erm, not exactly
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| 11:35 | * Pod2 is being dense again | |
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| 11:39 | <akuepker> I hate it when things break and I can't fix it and it suddenly starts working for no apparent reason and continues to work properly even when you've backed out every single one of your changes...
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| 11:39 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: ping?
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| 11:40 | <sbalneav> _UsUrPeR_: pong
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| 11:40 | <_UsUrPeR_> woo!
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| 11:40 | <sbalneav> hoo!
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| 11:41 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: I am going to be testing your new sabayon releases. Have there been any recent changes made to 9.10, or are all new changes being made to 10.04?
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| 11:42 | <Pod2> ok, user is *definitely* in the fuse group, according to 'id' and still nothing in /media
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| 11:42 | <sbalneav> Currently, all the new stuff's been made in 10.04.
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| 11:43 | I could easily cut a 2.29.5 for karmic, if you'd like.
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| 11:43 | <vagrantc> Pod2: ls -l /dev/fuse
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| 11:44 | <sbalneav> _UsUrPeR_: I've got a 2.29.5-rc1-0ubuntu2~ppa1 which should do you just fine.
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| 11:44 | <Pod2> crw-rw---- 1 root fuse 10, 229 2009-11-18 15:28 /dev/fuse
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| 11:45 | <vagrantc> Pod2: ltspfs is installed on the server?
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| 11:45 | <Pod2> ii ltspfs 0.5.13-1 Fuse based remote filesystem for LTSP thin clients
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| 11:45 | yes
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| 11:46 | <vagrantc> got me stumped.
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| 11:46 | <Pod2> hehe
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| 11:46 | <vagrantc> !localdev
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| 11:46 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "localdev" :: (#1) Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev, or (#2) for ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices, or (#3) for debian-edu: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/LocalDeviceLtspfs, or (#4) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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| 11:46 | <vagrantc> haven't looked at the debian-edu one in a while...
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| 11:48 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav, sorry. stepped away for a moment.
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| 11:48 | sbalneav: Will that be alright to run in 9.10?
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| 11:49 | <sbalneav> That's for 9.10
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| 11:49 | <Pod2> from the client shell I can mount /dev/sda1 /media/root and then see the files there
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| 11:49 | still nothing on the ldm session even after doing that
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| 11:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: ok, cool. How do I go about retrieving this package?
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| 11:51 | sbalneav: err... is it just apt-get?
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| 11:51 | also, do you have a changelog I could take a look at?
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| 11:56 | <Pod2> hmm, running the mount command manually gets me a failed to exec fusermount: Permission denied message, even after setting chmod o+x on it
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| 11:56 | <vagrantc> Pod2: ah, mounting that manually will very likely break ltspfs
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| 11:57 | <Pod2> I ran the command from step 4 of the DebugLocalDev page
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| 11:57 | <vagrantc> Pod2: where are you getting the fusermount errors?
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| 11:57 | <Pod2> with my server IP
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| 11:57 | <vagrantc> Pod2: client side or server side?
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| 11:57 | <Pod2> client shell
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| 11:58 | <vagrantc> Pod2: that part of the wiki page is out of date... it won't work anymore after a security update a couple years back
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| 11:58 | <Pod2> ah, fair enough
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| 11:59 | is there a different way of testing it manually?
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| 11:59 | <vagrantc> we used to have *no* security with ltspfs... now we have bare minimal security
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| 12:00 | i never quite figured out what hoops you need to jump through to get it working...
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| 12:01 | we set a token in an X property...
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| 12:01 | sbalneav: any idea how to update the last step on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev so that it works with recent versions of ltspfs?
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| 12:03 | Pod2: first off, reboot the thin client and log in from ldm ... that'll get us a clean slate...
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| 12:04 | i also wonder if there's a corresponding chaper in the upstream docs...
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| 12:04 | Pod2: did you install the ltsp-docs package? look through that?
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| 12:05 | * vagrantc waves to ogra | |
| 12:05 | <ogra> 10sec to the gdm greeter !!!
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| 12:05 | <Pod2> client restarting now...
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| 12:06 | I'll grab the ltsp-docs package now too
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| 12:06 | * ogra hugs lucid | |
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| 12:08 | <akuepker> Are you guys talking about a Portland, Oregon hackfest or Maine?
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| 12:08 | or something else entirely....
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| 12:08 | <vagrantc> when i did a lot of those optimizations in the localapps group handling... there was one time where it logged in nearly instantaneously.... but then i realized that's because the code was broken and it wasn't actually doing anything
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| 12:10 | akuepker: the ubuntu developers are meeting in portland, or... not LTSP specific
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| 12:10 | <Pod2> back to login screen...
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| 12:11 | wow, five minutes to boot
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| 12:11 | <ogra> akuepker, sorry, i just abused the channel for some offtopic stuff
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| 12:11 | <akuepker> vagrantc: ah, excellent. That's close enough to make a trip.
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| 12:11 | <vagrantc> akuepker: ah, you're in the area?
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| 12:12 | <akuepker> yeah, Seattle. and looking forward to trying ltsp5 on the new LTS release. 9.10's been good, but need longer lifecycle
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| 12:12 | <Pod2> ... and a desktop
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| 12:13 | ok, this time there is no /var/run/ltspfs_fstab
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| 12:14 | I booted with the stick plugged in - that shouldn't matter though?
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| 12:14 | <vagrantc> Pod2: shouldn't matter...
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| 12:14 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: hold on, lemme look
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| 12:14 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: maybe the "ssh -X" was sufficient, now that i look at it...
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| 12:17 | <Gadi> stgraber: ping
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| 12:17 | <Pod2> ok, unplugging and pluggin it back it *has* caused it to mount correctly under /media/root in the client shell
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| 12:17 | * Gadi is getting an error in ltsp 5.1.99 stemming from: XS20-no-root | |
| 12:18 | * Lns waves to ogra | |
| 12:18 | <ogra> hey Lns
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| 12:18 | <Pod2> still can't see it from the ldm session though
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| 12:18 | <Gadi> seems -nr is not a valid Xarg in karmic's xserver
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| 12:18 | <Lns> how you been ogra ?
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| 12:18 | <ogra> busy :)
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| 12:19 | <Lns> still in the unr division?
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| 12:19 | <ogra> nope, arm only now
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| 12:19 | <Lns> ah cool.. last i heard from you you were working on those beagleboards
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| 12:20 | <ogra> well, we never started supporting beagle but yeah, some similar boards sit on my desk
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| 12:21 | <Lns> it's cool that what you're doing now is still very relevant to ltsp
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| 12:21 | <Pod2> it works!
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| 12:21 | started up rdesktop in another vt and it sees the drive and files \o/
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| 12:21 | * vagrantc would like to find some arm based thin clients | |
| 12:22 | <vagrantc> building an arm LTSP chroot works almost out of the box on debian now... (just have to specify the appropriate kernel).
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| 12:22 | <ogra> vagrantc, babbage boards already work in ubuntu
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| 12:22 | as thin clients
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| 12:23 | you can buy them directly at freescale for just $700 :)
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| 12:23 | <vagrantc> is that all? :)
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| 12:23 | <ogra> yeah, chapo ARM crap
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| 12:23 | *cheapo
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| 12:23 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 12:23 | <Lns> "But aren't thin clients supposed to only cost $20?" -- every potential thin client consumer ever ;)
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| 12:23 | <vagrantc> i did my test run on a sheevaplug, but without video... didn't make much more than a proof of concept
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| 12:24 | <ogra> well, we also have support for the dove arch, that will be in the next gen sheevaplug
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| 12:24 | and afaik thats supposed to have VGA
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| 12:24 | <vagrantc> oooh
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| 12:24 | <ogra> and esata ors something similar
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| 12:24 | <vagrantc> and hopefully a more reasonable price tag
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| 12:24 | <ogra> well, sheevaplug price
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| 12:24 | i doubt marvell will raise it much
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| 12:25 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 12:25 | <ogra> you can get cheap derivatives of the babbage board as well, but thats still a developer board so not real end consumer HW
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| 12:26 | <Lns> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SheevaPlug - wow, ogra's almost mentioned right there! "...comes with Ubuntu 9.04 ARM build"
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| 12:27 | <ogra> yeah, but 9.04 sucked on arm
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| 12:27 | was our very first release, no arm optimizations, slow etc
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| 12:27 | lucid will rock on imx51 and dove CPUs
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| 12:28 | <Lns> I can't believe all the new arches coming out =)
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| 12:28 | <vagrantc> it's all variations on a theme
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| 12:28 | <Lns> yeah
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| 12:28 | <vagrantc> more like sub-architectures, mostly
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| 12:29 | <Pod2> \o/ _o/ \o_ \o/
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| 12:29 | booted my client straight into rdesktop and the usb stick now works
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| 12:29 | <Lns> brb, breakfast time
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| 12:29 | <vagrantc> Pod2: well, don't know why it doesn't work in ldm... but at least it works for what you're trying to use it for :)
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| 12:29 | <Pod2> definitely doesn't work with the stick plugged in during boot
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| 12:30 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 12:30 | <Pod2> I can live with that though
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| 12:30 | <vagrantc> probably something changed in debian's udev handling...
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| 12:30 | maybe that's why it doesn't work with cdroms/cdpinger...
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| 12:30 | i really better figure this out before the freeze in march
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| 12:31 | <Pod2> I am using my svn version of rdesktop - I'll test tomorrow with the official version and see what happens with that
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| 12:32 | I can test a cd/dvd drive if you want? my normal clients don't have any but I can find a box which does
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| 12:32 | <vagrantc> i need to get a real thin client so i can test this stuff better ... you can test usb and cdrom with qemu (virtualbox is currently borked for me) ... but the behavior is a little cumbersome
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| 12:33 | i should just go into freegeek after hours and take over that segment of the network for a while
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| 12:33 | <Gadi> speaking of which.... vagrantc: do we still need to call configure_localdev in the initscripts?
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| 12:34 | shouldn't udev handle it even for fixed devices?
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| 12:34 | <vagrantc> Gadi: i *think* so ... but honestly i haven't been testing that stuff much
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| 12:35 | well... wouldn't you know it
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| 12:35 | there's two configure_localdev functions defined in ltsp-init-common
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| 12:36 | <Pod2> Gadi: not sure if you noticed earlier, but the problem of all black mouse cursor in rdesktop and Win 2008 R2 is fixed in svn
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| 12:37 | <Gadi> Pod2: cool - i hadnt noticed
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| 12:37 | :)
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| 12:40 | <vagrantc> Gadi: so.... it looks like the configure_localdev that actually does anything interesting isn't called since your commit in late november
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| 12:40 | Gadi: 1450
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| 12:41 | <Gadi> ah... I see it
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| 12:41 | when I consolidated the functions
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| 12:41 | we had 2 of the same name
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| 12:41 | in -setup and -core
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| 12:41 | man, thats sloppy of me
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| 12:42 | * ogra shakes his head | |
| 12:43 | <Gadi> well, I can at least get us back to our former glory...
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| 12:43 | <vagrantc> that's probably not the source of my weird problems, though.
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| 12:44 | probably merge the two functions into one...
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| 12:44 | Gadi: in theory, everything should be started from udev and it shouldn't be required at all anymore...
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| 12:44 | <Gadi> yeah - lemme make sure that ltspfs_entry creates /var/run/drives if not present
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| 12:44 | * Gadi can envision a race | |
| 12:44 | <vagrantc> but i'm wondering if in practice... something is still needed and that's why i'm having troubles.
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| 12:44 | <stgraber> Gadi: pong
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| 12:45 | <Gadi> where ltspfs_entry loses
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| 12:45 | <stgraber> Gadi: is no-root (ubuntu specific) failing on non-lucid ?
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| 12:45 | <Gadi> stgraber: yeah
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| 12:45 | in karmic
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| 12:45 | <vagrantc> Gadi: i really think my code that calls cdpinger is a mess... probably very racy.
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| 12:45 | <stgraber> Gadi: I suspected that ... I'll fix it with a lsb-release check
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| 12:45 | -nr is a new option in recent X (only for lucid)
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| 12:45 | <Gadi> stgraber: dont you add that in the package?
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| 12:46 | just don't put it in the karmic package
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| 12:46 | <stgraber> Gadi: I try to keep the exact same packaging for both karmic and lucid or it's a pain to backport
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| 12:46 | Gadi: a lsb-release call won't hurt, it's just sourcing some file from etc
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| 12:46 | <Gadi> can't you do the lsb-release check at package install?
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| 12:47 | <vagrantc> stgraber: is your lsb_release different on ubuntu? it's an ugly python script on debian...
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| 12:48 | stgraber: are you installing the ltsp-info binary?
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| 12:48 | <vagrantc> i wanted to get to the point where we could ask people to run ltsp-info and paste the results to a pastebot for troubleshooting
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| 12:48 | <Gadi> mkdir -p ${MOUNTPOINT} in ltspfs_entry - YAY
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| 12:48 | :)
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| 12:49 | <stgraber> vagrantc: lsb_release is a python script but /etc/lsb-release is sourcable
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| 12:49 | <vagrantc> stgraber: ah.
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| 12:49 | <akuepker> vagrantc: that would be quite nice too for making sure servers are configured properly.
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| 12:49 | <vagrantc> akuepker: right
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| 12:49 | <stgraber> vagrantc: looks like I don't ship it yet, I'll add it in the next package, just a missing line in debian/*.install
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| 12:49 | <vagrantc> stgraber: cool :)
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| 12:50 | and if we ever see warren again... maybe they'll add the relevent rpm code...
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| 12:51 | johnny, knipwim, cyberorg: would be nice to see y'all update ltsp-info to include support for your distros as well
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| 12:51 | <johnny> ltsp-info ?
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| 12:51 | <Gadi> vagrantc: fixed
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| 12:53 | <vagrantc> johnny: you and i came up with the idea :P
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| 12:53 | johnny: ltsp-trunk/server/ltsp-info
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| 12:54 | <johnny> i didn't know the implementation
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| 12:54 | <vagrantc> johnny: a script to run to facilitate troubleshooting information
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| 12:54 | johnny: i.e. it gets a list of the server's installed ltsp related packages, what distro and release you're running, looks at the various chroots and gets the package version information, etc.
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| 12:55 | <Lns> vagrantc, you need a thin client? any thin client?
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| 12:56 | <vagrantc> Lns: well, i just need one that isn't cumbersome... i should just try and get an older laptop from freegeek that can network boot.
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| 12:56 | broke the ethernet jack on my last laptop... and the one before that has broken usb ...
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| 12:56 | <Lns> vagrantc, ok - I was going to mention, I have an old Koolu TC lying around as a spare I could ship you (but it's an older geode chipset)
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| 12:57 | it's yours if you need it
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| 12:57 | <vagrantc> i've got access to equipment ... i just don't like having to lug around a monitor, too.
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| 12:58 | mostly, i work with virtual thin clients... but some things are harder to test that way
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| 12:58 | i think all the various possible udev cases are an example.
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| 12:58 | udev/localdev
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| 12:58 | <Gadi> vagrantc: so, in effect since commit 1450, we have been running without configure_localdev doing anything in the initscripts
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| 12:58 | <vagrantc> Gadi: correct.
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| 12:59 | * Gadi wonders if anyone with a CD/floppy can verify that it works properly | |
| 12:59 | <vagrantc> Gadi: though i'm fairly certain i've been having problems longer than that.
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| 12:59 | <Gadi> :)
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| 12:59 | * Gadi is interested in the converse | |
| 12:59 | <Gadi> (not the sneakers)
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| 12:59 | * vagrantc will sneak into freegeek after hours and do some testing | |
| 13:00 | <Gadi> according to stgraber's (very nice) bootchart, we can prolly optimize ltspfs_entry a bit, too
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| 13:00 | eek out a few more seconds
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| 13:00 | :)
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| 13:00 | <vagrantc> surely
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| 13:00 | <Gadi> 15 seconds is nice, but 10 seconds is awfully nicer
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| 13:00 | <vagrantc> i made a real mess of it trying to get USB cdroms to work.
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| 13:00 | <Gadi> :)
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| 13:00 | vagrantc: yeah - I found the same issues patching old code
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| 13:01 | when u have cdrom and cdrom1
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| 13:01 | etc
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| 13:02 | <vagrantc> while qemu (with kvm support) is really cool... i must say i'm missing the virtualbox user interface
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| 13:02 | all the frontends are kind of stupid
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| 13:02 | "HEY, you don't have a disk configured, stupid!"
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| 13:02 | duh.
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| 13:02 | <alkisg> what's wrong with your vbox?
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| 13:03 | <Lns> my vbox is borked w/amd64 in karmic :(
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| 13:03 | hard locks my machine
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| 13:03 | <vagrantc> alkisg: ever since i got a laptop with kvm support, it just crashes all the time
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| 13:03 | <alkisg> Whoops
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| 13:09 | <_UsUrPeR_> stgraber: ping?
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| 13:09 | <stgraber> _UsUrPeR_: in a meeting
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| 13:09 | <_UsUrPeR_> whoops. wrong st :)
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| 13:09 | sbalneav: ping?
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| 13:10 | <alkisg> edubuntu has a meeting, so he's there as well ;)
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| 13:10 | * _UsUrPeR_ throws his hands up | |
| 13:10 | <_UsUrPeR_> :)
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| 13:11 | <sbalneav> _UsUrPeR_: pong
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| 13:11 | <_UsUrPeR_> ?!?
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| 13:11 | <alkisg> appareantly, he's multitasking ;)
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| 13:11 | <sbalneav> I'm in several screens at once
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| 13:11 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: oh hello. Ok, I've gotten the latest sabayon package installed in 9.10. I'm having a problem adding users to a profile.
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| 13:12 | sbalneav: specifically, checking the box next to a user's name in order to put them in the profile seems to have no effect.
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| 13:12 | this is on a newly-created user, mind you
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| 13:15 | <sbalneav> So when they log in, they're not getting the profile?
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| 13:19 | <vagrantc> Gadi: i'm wondering if the code that removes devices on failure... is somehow firing off at a bad time
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| 13:19 | Gadi: when i boot with a device plugged in, /var/run/ltspfs_fstab doesn't get created
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| 13:20 | Gadi: i think the device removal thing will also work badly with cdpinger... as cdpinger only triggers on device removal/insertion, no?
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| 13:20 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: correct. It's as if I had done nothing
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| 13:21 | sbalneav: however, editing the profile, I can see all the changes I had made are still in place
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| 13:21 | <sbalneav> can you pastebin a copy of your /etc/sabayon/users.xml file?
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| 13:21 | <_UsUrPeR_> sure
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| 13:22 | sbalneav: I just created sabayon by configure, make, make install. There is no /etc/sabayon directory.
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| 13:22 | <sbalneav> no, don't do that.
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| 13:23 | use the package in my ppa
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| 13:23 | <Gadi> vagrantc: so, u think it is mounting and then unmounting?
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| 13:24 | but, cdroms work fine here
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| 13:26 | <_UsUrPeR_> flpxj
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| 13:27 | <akuepker> interesting. I never got sabayon/pessulus working here either for existing or new users and gave up on it.
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| 13:27 | <Gadi> vagrantc: does cdpinger write to ltspfs_fstab? because ltspfs_entry will exit out after calling cdpinger on the assumption that cdpinger handles the rest
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| 13:29 | <sbalneav> flpxj? :)
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| 13:29 | djsghdlkvhd :)
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| 13:30 | <vagrantc> Gadi: cdpinger calls ltspfs_fstab
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| 13:30 | Gadi: er, calls ltspfs_entry
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| 13:31 | <Gadi> so, first time around, ltspfs_entry calls cdpinger and exits and then cdpinger calls ltspfs_enty and goes all the way through?
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| 13:32 | <vagrantc> Gadi: that's how i had it working
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| 13:32 | <Gadi> ok - just trying to understand
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| 13:33 | <vagrantc> but it's been quite some time
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| 13:34 | <Gadi> on your broken system, is there more than one cdpinger process?
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| 13:35 | <vagrantc> just one
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| 13:35 | <Gadi> but no ltspfs_fstab?
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| 13:35 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: ok, I did a search and pulled the package from the sabayon page instead of your personal PPA
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| 13:36 | <vagrantc> Gadi: i can reboot to make sure, but that's been my experience (i've done some tinkering on the currently running system).
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| 13:36 | <sbalneav> yeah, use the ones from my ppa
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| 13:36 | in fact, why not just add my ppa to your sources.list
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| 13:36 | that way, if I update sabayon, you'll just auto-get the update.
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| 13:37 | <alkisg> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:sbalneav
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| 13:37 | <sbalneav> that command was something we needed a long time ago. I'm glad it's appeared for karmic.
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| 13:38 | * alkisg had put up a script for older releases, and used wget http://script && script ppa:sbalneav... :) | |
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| 19:57 | <liam078> i had hooked up a printer to my network via a print server
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| 19:58 | but when trying to add the printer in linux(either server or client) i am unable due to a package missing hpjis i think its called
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| 19:59 | <johnny> go on?
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| 19:59 | sounds like you just have to download the necessary rpm for fedora 9
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| 19:59 | and bring it on a flash drive or somethin
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| 19:59 | <liam078> i have tried downloading packages (several of them) and every time i try to install one on the server i am told that packages are either corrupt/unreadable/not compatible and other annoying messages
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| 19:59 | <johnny> sounds like a fedora specific issue
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| 19:59 | i would recommend you try in fedora
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| 20:00 | <liam078> problem is tho im told that rpm's are not compatible
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| 20:00 | im using fedora
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| 20:00 | <johnny> your rpm is probably not the one for fedora 9
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| 20:00 | <sbalneav> Yeah, that doesn't have anything to do with ltsp specifically.
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| 20:00 | <johnny> so.. get the one for fedora 9
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| 20:00 | and if you need further assistance, ask in #fedora
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| 20:00 | <liam078> cant find one
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| 20:00 | <johnny> thus ask in #fedora
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| 20:00 | <sbalneav> Why not just get an internet connection going?
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| 20:00 | <johnny> company policy sbalneav ..
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| 20:00 | he said that
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| 20:00 | <sbalneav> ....and?
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| 20:01 | <johnny> lol
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| 20:01 | <sbalneav> Policies can have exceptions
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| 20:01 | you ask the right person.
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| 20:01 | <johnny> sbalneav, or he can just find where the repos for f9 are
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| 20:01 | <sbalneav> that too.
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| 20:01 | <johnny> f9 is end of lifed now
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| 20:01 | <liam078> well the problem is that i am college student and im working in a lab and we are not allowed to connect our oen networks to college network due to insecurities e.t.c
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| 20:01 | <johnny> liam078, ask in #fedora for where you can find those rpms
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| 20:02 | <liam078> ok sorry for asking here thought it would be an idea
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| 20:02 | thank you for your time anyway :)
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| 20:03 | <johnny> liam078, it could be that you're screwed for f9
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| 20:03 | <liam078> how coems
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| 20:03 | <johnny> since i'm pretty sure it is end of lifed
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| 20:03 | <liam078> *comes
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| 20:03 | <johnny> as in.. not supported
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| 20:03 | they will probably tell you to upgrade
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| 20:03 | so you might just have to burn an f12 cd and then upgrade
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| 20:03 | <liam078> well is it possible to take the most recent version of fedora and install on top of the one i already have without loosing the current setup of ltsp i already have
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| 20:04 | <sbalneav> I doubt it.
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| 20:04 | <johnny> upgrade.. maybe
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| 20:04 | i wouldn't install on top of
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| 20:04 | just upgrade
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| 20:04 | <sbalneav> but fedora ships with ltsp now.
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| 20:04 | <johnny> but i'm sure a search engine can tell you how to upgrade
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| 20:04 | <sbalneav> win 9
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| 20:04 | <johnny> sbalneav, you should write a script that checks lines for ^win and not print them :)
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| 20:05 | <sbalneav> Or, I could just teach myself to hit alt-9 :)
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| 20:05 | But I'm hard to train :)
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| 20:05 | <johnny> also.. your keyboard only has so many f keys..
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| 20:06 | so.. above 10 is not as easy..
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| 20:06 | <sbalneav> Took me 40 years to learn not to make a mess on the carpet :)
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| 20:06 | <johnny> easier to just type /win XX
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| 20:06 | <liam078> cuz wen i looked at the k12ltsp website as a prebuilt image with ltsp the most recent version was F11
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| 20:07 | and that was a beta stage
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| 20:07 | <johnny> f12 comes with fedora
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| 20:07 | err
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| 20:07 | f12 comes with ltsp
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| 20:07 | <liam078> i just dont want to download a copy of fedora to then find it has to go online to download the ltsp packages
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| 20:07 | <johnny> just yum install ltsp-server or whatever
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| 20:07 | i think it comes with it..
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| 20:07 | if not.. you can create a spin
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| 20:07 | too bad our fedora guy isn't here
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| 20:08 | <liam078> cuz with ubuntu you have to go online
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| 20:08 | create a spin??
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| 20:10 | <johnny> a distribution that includes the packages you want
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| 20:10 | already there
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| 20:10 | liam078, with fedora you can download a cd containing all the packages if you have 5 dvds..
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| 20:10 | s/cd/dvd/
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| 20:10 | so you'll never be without packages..
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| 20:13 | <liam078> ok but once fedora 12 is installed including ltsp packages is tehre the same GUI as in K12 LTSP
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| 20:14 | *there
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| 20:14 | <johnny> no idea
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| 20:14 | you'll hae to talk to k12 people about that
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| 20:14 | <liam078> so how would i go about setting up the ltsp
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| 20:14 | <johnny> i use fedora on my desktop, but ubuntu for ltsp
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| 20:14 | i don't know
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| 20:14 | there must be docs for fedora
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| 20:14 | <sbalneav> I think fedora sets up the same way as ubuntu.
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| 20:15 | So the docs will work for you
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| 20:15 | !docs
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| 20:15 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 20:16 | <sbalneav> liam078: How do you have internet right now?
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| 20:17 | Why not just move the fedora box to wherever you are now, install your packages and get your updates, if any, and then move the box back into the lab?
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| 20:18 | <liam078> well im at home right now and my network is located in a lab in another city
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| 20:18 | well town
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| 20:20 | <vagrantc> and without internet access... ?
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| 20:24 | <liam078> yes its because my college wont allow us to connect anything that belongs to us or any projects that take place in the networking lab to be connected to the collegs network therefore i cannot access the internet with my network in college
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| 20:24 | <vagrantc> i was all happy and stuff to see that aufs modules were available in the up and coming debian kernels without much fuss... but X fails to start. hrmpf.
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| 20:25 | <liam078> anyway thanks for your time i will go to the fedora channel and see what they say thanks bye :)
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| 20:26 | <sbalneav> np
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| 20:26 | <vagrantc> hrm. weird. for some reason X is trying to start on vt1
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| 20:58 | <stgraber> vagrantc: might be some of that VT magic that's not working for you, though it's working very well here ...
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| 20:59 | <vagrantc> it works fine for SCREEN_NN=shell
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| 20:59 | <vagrantc> but for some reason ldm always ends up on vt1
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| 21:01 | <stgraber> the VT magic should do: 1) What screen are we working with => 07 2) Is it the current VT => No 3) Will there be something on that VT => no 4) Switch to VT 7 and start ldm (using openvt)
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| 21:01 | <vagrantc> so far i've noticed a problem when i'm setting SCREEN_NN ... haven't looked at the defaults, if that would change anything
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| 21:02 | <stgraber> but you seem to hit either 2 or 3 where it's either thinking it's already on the right VT (so no openvt is required) or something will be started on that VT (so it tries to start ldm on vt7 in the background and seems to fail in your case)
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| 21:04 | <vagrantc> and i've tried with NBD+ext2+aufs, NBD+ext2+bind_mounts and NFS+bind_mounts ... all seem to fail in the same way.
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| 21:04 | though both +bind_mounts methods actually display X ... whereas with aufs, it's just a blank screen.
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| 21:11 | stgraber: is it somehow dependent on the latest ldm?
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| 21:11 | stgraber: i'm still testing on 2.0.52...
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| 21:12 | <stgraber> it shouldn't, at least I can't find anything in the changelog that'd cause that
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| 21:14 | <vagrantc> maybe it's been that way for some time now, and i just didn't catch it till now...
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| 21:15 | * vagrantc will test with an older version... | |
| 21:15 | <sbalneav> bbiab
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