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Channel log from 25 February 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:25 | <nick125_lappy> Is there an easy way to setup ltsp in some kind of chroot or something (so I don't have to install X and such on my server)
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| 00:25 | ?
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| 00:25 | (for the server)
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| 00:49 | <ipl> anybody able to help me with a ltsp kernel panic when booting clients?
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| 03:04 | <Bhaskar> how to start to install ltsp server
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| 08:35 | <jd86> Hi, I'm trying to setup swapping over nbd (with ltsp 4.2 update 3) and i have it set to Y, and have ltspswapd running on server, but I don't see anywhere in logs where it attempts to connect, and there is no swap available. I checked out the wiki on this -- any hints?
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| 08:39 | <cliebow_> jd86:did you check the wikji?
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| 08:39 | <jd86> cliebow_, i looked at the Swap page on the wiki, and I'm still browsing for more hints
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| 08:40 | <cliebow_> how much mem in the clients?
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| 08:40 | <jd86> 128M on this one, some 64
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| 08:41 | I've been having intermittent problems when viewing very heavily graphic wepages where the client will lock up... i assume its due to running out of memory (well, I have nothing else to try but that)
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| 08:41 | <cliebow_> you dont need swap at all..i dont think..most of mine are 32 some 64
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| 08:41 | jd86: can you set up to ssh in to the cliernts and run free?
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| 08:41 | <a5benwillis> Good morning
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| 08:41 | <cliebow_> HJi!
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| 08:42 | <jd86> yes, I ran free, 0 on swap
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| 08:42 | <a5benwillis> I can now log in via SSH cliebow_
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| 08:42 | <jd86> (I'm on a client now)
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| 08:42 | cliebow_, well could it have to do with the resolution or anything? I'm boggled as to why it happens, and its just amatter of going to a page with lots of heavy graphics and it dies.
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| 08:43 | <cliebow_> Cool!! Cool!..where was the hangup?
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| 08:43 | <jd86> I mean there are 80M free at the moment, maybe I'l try to go to the page and watch free as it loads (if possible
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| 08:44 | <cliebow_> i ran a 64 meg client for four days with mozilkla gimp ad firefox.an never swa more than 33 meg
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| 08:44 | <jd86> cliebow_, i'll try going to the page like last time, see if it does it again (if it does, I'll be parting)
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| 08:44 | <cliebow_> a5benwillis, what was the deciding factor?
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| 08:46 | <a5benwillis> lots of things. I can log in now but my prompt says "I have no name@xx.xx.xx.xx
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| 08:46 | but that might not matter
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| 08:46 | Of course the reason Im getting that message is because the user logs in but cant be mapped to a user in the passwd file.
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| 08:46 | <cliebow_> i ha that at one point..dont remem haow i fixed it
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| 08:47 | yeah
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| 08:47 | <a5benwillis> do you know the command to create a user from command line?
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| 08:48 | luseradd?
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| 08:48 | sounds familier
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| 08:49 | <jd86> yeah, it died again.
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| 08:49 | i watched it and kept typing free
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| 08:49 | and it went to 80M used, then 90M and then i saw the kernel junk and it killed X
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| 08:50 | is there any way to see if it attemped to turn swap on or anything?
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| 08:50 | <cliebow_> see if you can catch one of the smart people here..
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| 08:50 | <jd86> I run a resolution of 1280x1024 -- maybe higher resolutions can consume more memory?
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| 08:51 | <cliebow_> perhaps..
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| 08:52 | <jd86> or maybe it has something to do with something completely different -- but I can reproduce (just browse to that page)
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| 09:11 | <a5benwillis> in and out quick
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| 09:18 | <cliebow_> a5benwillis, :what was deciding factor??
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| 09:19 | <a5benwillis> I think it came down to just a slight change in a few of the auth lines
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| 09:20 | Im still usure of one thing though. Are you pretty knowledgable with the ltsp thin client log on process?
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| 09:20 | got a questions about how it works
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| 09:20 | <cliebow_> not in ltsp5
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| 09:21 | <a5benwillis> i dont have 5, i think its 4 something
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| 09:21 | Edubuntu
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| 09:21 | .
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| 09:21 | I'll ask anyways
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| 09:23 | <cliebow_> i am on the way out the door..
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| 09:23 | <a5benwillis> oh ok
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| 09:23 | ttyl
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| 09:23 | <cliebow_> but if you used ltsp-build-client you arte using 5
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| 09:24 | if ldapadmin..it is 4.2..
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| 09:24 | <a5benwillis> it comes built into edubuntu so I didnt run anything
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| 11:24 | <mistik1> jammcq: I was reading the success stories page the other day, I was wondering why it was so small but it slipped my mind to ask you about it
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| 11:25 | a5benwillis: sorry, I went to sleep a little early last night
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| 11:28 | <a5benwillis> no problem
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| 11:28 | did you see my msgs?
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| 11:28 | I can log in via SSH now, though I dont think its working exactly right. This may just be an incompatibility though.
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| 11:29 | .
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| 11:29 | I can log into ssh, but Im 'impersonating' another user on the system to fool SSH. I just need someone who understands LTSP 5 and how the clients log in to clear af few questions up for me.
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| 11:46 | <mistik1> a5benwillis: I would not be that person yet
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| 11:46 | I dont have a full grasp of what exactly LDM is doing, I have an idea but not the whole deal
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| 11:48 | <a5benwillis> I guess I need to know first what version of ltsp Edubuntu runs. I can read documentaion
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| 11:49 | <vagrantc> what do you need to know about LDM ? i know it pretty well
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| 11:50 | <a5benwillis> Im trying to get my users to be able to authenticate via my Novell NDS servers
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| 11:50 | <vagrantc> in short, LDM is a GUI frontend for "ssh -X"
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| 11:51 | hmmm....
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| 11:51 | <mistik1> vagrantc: hey
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| 11:51 | <vagrantc> you'd probably need a pam plugin for that, if it exists
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| 11:51 | <a5benwillis> I've been focusing on getting the users to be able to log into SSH. Mainly because I have been told thats the first step in booting the thin client.
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| 11:51 | .
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| 11:51 | <vagrantc> mistik1: hmmm?
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| 11:51 | <mistik1> vagrantc: he is using a pam module
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| 11:51 | <a5benwillis> I can ssh into the edubuntu server and log in as an NDS user noe.
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| 11:51 | <vagrantc> but it doesn't work for LDM ?
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| 11:52 | <a5benwillis> Using a pam-NCP module and an NSS module for NDS in my nsswitch.conf
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| 11:52 | .
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| 11:52 | Well,
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| 11:52 | Im at home now so all I can test is the SSH part.
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| 11:52 | .
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| 11:52 | <vagrantc> if ssh works, most likely LDM will work.
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| 11:53 | <a5benwillis> The trick is that I have to trick SSH into giving me a session by impersonating a local user.
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| 11:53 | When I log in to the client. What controls THAT authentication?
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| 11:53 | <vagrantc> i don't really understand what you're trying to do ... ?
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| 11:54 | <a5benwillis> Can I edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc//pam.d/login to have it use my pam module as well?
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| 11:54 | <vagrantc> that would only be useful if you're logging into the client itself ...
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| 11:54 | <a5benwillis> or is that even needed?
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| 11:54 | let me start over
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| 11:55 | My main goal is to enable my users to log in via thin client and have them authenticated via my NDS server.
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| 11:55 | <juvonen> Hi, problems with sound on thin client, sound comes from server
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| 11:55 | <a5benwillis> .
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| 11:55 | <vagrantc> !sound
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| 11:55 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "sound" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound
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| 11:55 | <vagrantc> a5benwillis: ok ...
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| 11:56 | <a5benwillis> I have been concentrating on getting the users to be able to authenticate to SSH. I can now ssh into my server "ssh sshtest@localhost"
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| 11:56 | <juvonen> ok I try that
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| 11:56 | <a5benwillis> I get a password prompt. When teh authentication happens my nsswitch looks to NDS to find the user since they dont exist localy.
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| 11:57 | At the same time the nss module assigns the user an UID of 22000, it assigns this same uid for ALL users who are looked up via NSS>
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| 11:57 | .
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| 11:58 | Then authentication is handed to my PAM module. The users password is verified and they get an SSH session.
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| 11:58 | .
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| 11:58 | <vagrantc> ok ... that might not work so well with LDM ...
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| 11:58 | <a5benwillis> Since ALL users have uid 22000 I have created a dummy user in passwd so their SSH session is impersonated.
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| 11:58 | .
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| 11:58 | <mistik1> that cant be too secure
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| 11:59 | <a5benwillis> Thats the whole process... I cant test the LDM side from here so I wanted to check with you guys.
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| 11:59 | mistik1: Thats the only way for it to work. Other than populatin UIDs in all of my 16k user accounts :-(
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| 12:00 | <mistik1> a5benwillis: I'm thinking that you may be better off not using LDM at all in favor or gdm that runs on the server space
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| 12:00 | <vagrantc> a5benwillis: so, essentially, you're ssh'ing to the server as a single user for all logins, which then logs in as the target user ... ?
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| 12:01 | <a5benwillis> That was my hope. That once the SSh session is established the users actual session would be authenticated similar to GDM
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| 12:01 | <mistik1> a5benwillis: what happens when you take ssh out of the equation?
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| 12:01 | <a5benwillis> I was under the assumption that the SSh session was mearly the transport for the actual login and subsequant x session.
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| 12:01 | <vagrantc> a5benwillis: i can't make any guarantees ... it might work with LDM, but it might not ...
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| 12:02 | <a5benwillis> mistik1: No idea. Havent gotten that far yet. One option that was mentioned is to use xdmcp
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| 12:03 | <mistik1> I would prolly have played with that before ssh
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| 12:03 | reduce the steps to auth to the NDS, I may be wrong though
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| 12:03 | <a5benwillis> that just dumps LDM though right? I loose encrypted sessions and the built in compression.
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| 12:03 | <vagrantc> the problem being that LDM doesn't properly implement ssh-askpass , so if it asks for your password a second time, it won't work. but if it uses the initial password given on ssh, it should work fine.
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| 12:04 | <a5benwillis> Has to be easier than this though!!! Its been a tough ride so far.
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| 12:04 | <vagrantc> you loose encryption, the compression is probably not really meaningful
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| 12:05 | <a5benwillis> true
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| 12:05 | so just by changing the screen setting I can test without LDM?
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| 12:05 | <vagrantc> yes.
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| 12:05 | well, sort of
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| 12:06 | <a5benwillis> Then xdmcp will use the GDM login and pam configurations?
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| 12:06 | <vagrantc> you'll need to configure GDM to allow xdmcp (or KDM or XDM or WDM)
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| 12:06 | <a5benwillis> should be just a check box in GDM
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| 12:06 | ebable xdmcp
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| 12:06 | erm enable
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| 12:06 | <vagrantc> also, as an alternative to LDM, you could use SDM, which does properly implement ssh-askpass ... but it's not as pretty
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| 12:07 | <a5benwillis> I'll be able to test what I have so far in the morning. I really dont like the way I've had to configure SSH.
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| 12:08 | As an option I may even right a better NSS module that can assign and add users to the passwd file so they will have uniqe uid's then their sessions could be authenticated properly.
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| 12:08 | .
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| 12:08 | Actually they ARE authenticated properly and given individual session with this setup.
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| 12:08 | As long as the SSH session is transparent I dont see why it wont work.
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| 12:10 | <vagrantc> a5benwillis: what i'm a little confused about is ... when you do "ssh sshtest@localhost", is that the target user, or the username that all the aaaccounts share ?
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| 12:10 | <a5benwillis> Without the user impersonation I get the "I have no name!" message when I log in.
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| 12:11 | thats the target user. When the session is built the prompt says: "sharedsshuser@localhost" even though they are authenticated as themselves.
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| 12:11 | <vagrantc> ok ... then my guess is LDM will work fine.
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| 12:11 | presuming it doesn't ask for a password a second time.
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| 12:13 | <mistik1> vagrantc: about how long does the deb ltsp5 take to boot compared to ltsp-4.* ?
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| 12:13 | <vagrantc> mistik1: i've never used ltsp-4.x so i have no real comparison
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| 12:13 | mistik1: and my primary test environment has a very slow server.
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| 12:14 | <mistik1> wow
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| 12:14 | Never even in testing?
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| 12:14 | <vagrantc> i could boot it and see how long ...
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| 12:14 | <mistik1> heh
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| 12:14 | <vagrantc> and give you a slow end of things to compare it to ...
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| 12:14 | <mistik1> You dont have to on my behalf
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| 12:14 | <vagrantc> it would be good to know, as that's the primary complaint i've seen
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| 12:14 | <a5benwillis> vagrantc: I'll know in the morning :-D
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| 12:15 | <mistik1> vagrantc: looking at the configure_x() running debconf-communitcate that many times much suck
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| 12:16 | That's prolly a big part of the process
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| 12:16 | <vagrantc> yeah, debconf is slow as molasses
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| 12:16 | though i think the primary problem is how slow LDM is, actually.
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| 12:17 | for some reason, it takes forever to load.
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| 12:17 | <a5benwillis> vagrantc: May I ask what you do with LTSP? Are you a developer?
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| 12:17 | <mistik1> all that python code man
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| 12:17 | <vagrantc> a5benwillis: i mainly have been working on LTSP 5 in debian.
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| 12:17 | a5benwillis: so i work closely with ogra, who works on LTSP in *ubuntu
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| 12:18 | <a5benwillis> Should be close to my ubuntu then
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| 12:18 | as you just sadi....
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| 12:18 | sadi
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| 12:18 | <vagrantc> mistik1: my suspicion is that it's the python-glade stuff ...
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| 12:18 | <a5benwillis> said
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| 12:18 | <vagrantc> yeah.
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| 12:19 | <mistik1> The mere fact that you guys coded that dm is impressive though
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| 12:19 | <vagrantc> i didn't do much of anything with ldm, except a few minor tweaks.
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| 12:20 | the concept is actually very simple, though. i wrote SDM years ago, which is similar to SDM but in shell.
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| 12:20 | er, similar to LDM
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| 12:21 | <mistik1> simple to the likes of you ;)
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| 12:21 | <a5benwillis> exactly lol
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| 12:21 | <mistik1> Jim keeps telling me otherwise but i'm no programmer
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| 12:21 | I am however a problem solver ;)
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| 12:21 | <vagrantc> it really is just
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| 12:22 | "ssh -X server"
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| 12:22 | <mistik1> ooooooooooo
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| 12:22 | <a5benwillis> LDM is or SDM?
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| 12:22 | <mistik1> qemu has implemented PXE
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| 12:22 | <vagrantc> er, ssh -X user@server
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| 12:23 | a5benwillis: both.
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| 12:23 | <a5benwillis> ah
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| 12:23 | <mistik1> w00t
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| 12:23 | <vagrantc> mistik1: really?! :)
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| 12:23 | <mistik1> YES
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| 12:23 | 0.8.4
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| 12:23 | badass
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| 12:23 | <vagrantc> that makes me very, very happy.
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| 12:23 | <a5benwillis> vagrantc: So when the x session is displayed. Where does THAT login's settings come from?
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| 12:24 | <mistik1> vagrantc: trust me, you are not alone in that happiness ;)
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| 12:24 | <a5benwillis> such as pam etc
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| 12:24 | <vagrantc> a5benwillis: from the users home directory on the machine they're logged into.
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| 12:25 | <mistik1> vagrantc: I'm about to implement a virtual server for a client with XP running in qemu
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| 12:25 | This LAB has one app they need to run on a windows machine and since there are none at that location it goes into qemu on one of the linux app servers
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| 12:25 | <vagrantc> mistik1: i guess that beats implementing it in hardware :)
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| 12:26 | <mistik1> damn straight
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| 12:26 | <a5benwillis> vagrantc: What if the user doesnt have a home directory on the server?
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| 12:26 | <mistik1> FOr me it means no windows machine to admin
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| 12:26 | <vagrantc> a5benwillis: then many applications will probably have a hard time running.
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| 12:27 | <mistik1> vagrantc: They tried to charge my client ~ $12,000.00 for new machines to run one damn app
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| 12:27 | I was not having it
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| 12:27 | The hardware was old as dirt too
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| 12:28 | Not even modern stuff its just loaded with thier one app to take data out of Medical Manager and send it to the LAB
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| 12:28 | <vagrantc> heh.
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| 12:29 | <mistik1> shame what some folks have been putting up with in the M$ governed world
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| 12:30 | <vagrantc> mistik1: so qemu is sufficiently fast?
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| 12:30 | <mistik1> I dont see why not
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| 12:30 | It just grabs a couple hundred KB via tcp/ip
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| 12:31 | once a day
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| 12:31 | with kqemu I dont see why it cant handle that
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| 12:31 | Well I'm setting up a test environment for them to test thier software tomorrow
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| 12:32 | And guess what they dont even have to leave thier office to play ;)
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| 12:32 | They will be presented with the qemu in a browser, LOL
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| 12:37 | <vagrantc> heh.
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| 12:38 | <mistik1> vagrantc: where does sdm live
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| 12:38 | Where can i take a look at your code
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| 12:39 | <vagrantc> mistik1: it's in debian, and i think ubuntu universe ... there's an svn repository somewhere
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| 12:44 | <mistik1> got it
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| 12:44 | hehe
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| 12:45 | vagrantc: I heard you say earlier that is was just shell, so I thought I wonder why he dont use Xdialog or something, Well I'm looking at your code right now
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| 12:46 | all I could do was just laugh
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| 12:46 | good job
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| 12:58 | <vagrantc> heh.
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| 12:58 | mistik1: yeah, i supposed its not "just shell"
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| 12:58 | <mistik1> Its elegant shell ;)
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| 13:18 | <nick125_lappy> afternoon everyone
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| 13:20 | <vagrantc> just barely afternoon here
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| 13:56 | <erdinc> hi everyone
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| 14:36 | <kaos01> can i burn CD locally with ltsp ?
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| 14:38 | <sepski> kaos01, with a lot of blood, tears and misery, probably yes. But it's usualy easier and faster just using a regular workstation for such tasks
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| 14:39 | <kaos01> ok, so it doesnt work with device support
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| 14:40 | <kaos01> also i have an problem using net grub, picking up menu.lst is a matter of luck
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| 14:40 | sometimes the menu appears sometimes it doesnt and the boot process hangs
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| 14:41 | <Egyptian[Home]> evenign all
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| 18:27 | <msaul> I seem to only get my admin user to play sound using gnome
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| 18:27 | but no other users I create
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| 18:27 | Does anyone have any ideas where I might be going wrong?
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| 18:28 | I am using Edubuntu 6.10 with LTSP included
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| 18:28 | <Shingoshi> Do you have to run alsaconf for each user?
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| 18:28 | <msaul> I believe esd
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| 18:29 | <Shingoshi> Or is it system wide?
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| 18:29 | <msaul> System wide
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| 18:29 | There is a gconf-edit command
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| 18:29 | setting to esdsink
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| 18:29 | and making it mandatory
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| 18:29 | It works great on a thin client for my admin user
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| 18:29 | <Shingoshi> I just compiled a bunch of pkgs yesterday and lost my conf. Had to run alsaconf again.
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| 18:30 | <msaul> but no other users that I created in addition.
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| 18:30 | <Shingoshi> I really am not the person to be asking. I really don't know that much about sound.
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| 18:31 | <msaul> OK, I will just hand around a little while and see if there is someone else
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| 18:31 | <Shingoshi> In fact, I don't know much of anything! ;-D
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| 18:31 | <msaul> no worries
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| 18:31 | <Shingoshi> LOL
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| 18:32 | I've been up way too long. I need to go to bed after almost 24 hours. I am getting way too silly.
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| 18:33 | <msaul> as your attorney, I advise you start sleeping heavily...
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| 18:33 | <Shingoshi> Yeah!!! LOL LOL But doctor, I can't stop laughing.
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| 18:43 | <kaos01> i have a problem when users log out of gdm, sometimes they just end up with a blue bank screen, instead of a new gdm login screen
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| 18:44 | <msaul> would that be the root window?
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| 18:44 | <kaos01> yes
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| 18:45 | <msaul> I think there may be some documentation in troubleshooting in LTSP
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| 18:45 | manual, but usually that is to get it to work in the first place
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| 18:45 | haven't had anything like that...
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| 18:45 | sorry...
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| 18:47 | l8r
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| 20:50 | <cliebow_> a5benwillis_, ...
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| 20:51 | 8~)
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| 20:51 | <a5benwillis_> lol
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| 20:51 | howd that happen?
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| 20:53 | * nick125_lappy yawns | |
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| 22:32 | <vagrantc> hmmm... took 2 minutes from the start of syslogd to LDM login screen.
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| 22:32 | that does not seem timely.
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| 23:09 | <ipl> anybody available to help with a client boot issue?
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| 23:10 | <vagrantc> describe the issue, and if anyone can help, they will do so
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| 23:11 | <ipl> client boots to a point where i see runnint /linuxrc mountint /proc then kernel panics
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| 23:11 | running /linuxrc I mean
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| 23:12 | Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!
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