IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 12 July 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:08 | <ogra> vagrantc, i'll arrive at 8:15pm on the 21st ...
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| 03:14 | <vporo> Should the vlc mozilla plugin work in ltsp?
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| 03:15 | or better, what plugin should I use for streaming
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| 03:16 | <ogra> which distro ?
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| 03:16 | <vporo> ubuntu
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| 03:16 | feisty
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| 03:16 | <ogra> and what do you want to stream ?
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| 03:16 | <vporo> video
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| 03:16 | <ogra> ubuntu should automatically use the totem plugin, its preinstalled
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| 03:17 | <vporo> and that should work?
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| 03:17 | <ogra> if you have the codec installed the video needs, it should, yes
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| 03:17 | <vporo> by default I was not able to view the stream so I added the vlc plugin
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| 03:17 | <ogra> totem has an automatic codec installer, but that doesnt work in mozilla afaik
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| 03:18 | so you would have to start the movie directly once to get that codec
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| 03:18 | (or just install all codecs)
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| 03:19 | <vporo> ok, I check whether it was the codec I was missing
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| 03:19 | <ogra> (gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse)
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| 03:20 | (these are the codec packages)
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| 03:31 | <vporo> It seems like the stream requires vlc-plugins
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| 03:34 | <ogra> unikely
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| 03:39 | <vporo> you are right, but the gui on the web page does :|
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| 04:48 | <hrishi> hi, is there any good document that explains the cost for creating a ltsp based terminal server installation
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| 04:49 | i mean cost benefit analysis
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| 05:00 | <gvy> hrishi, i have one similar in Russian at hand
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| 05:01 | if all else fails, at least you can google translate and use that
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| 05:03 | hrishi, http://syselegance.kiev.ua/products/advantages.php
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| 05:04 | it's linux clients with custom RDP server running on winxp pro
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| 05:05 | <hrishi> ok, let me try with google
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| 05:08 | gvy: what is syselegance, is it a linux box with ltsp
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| 05:18 | <gvy> hrishi, nope, a custom linux terminal implementation
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| 05:18 | but the numbers are largely the same or similar
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| 05:54 | <Q-FUNK> hrishi: there is
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| 05:55 | hrishi: http://multik.blogspot.com/2007/07/thin-client-vs-thick-client.html
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| 06:15 | <gvy> Q-FUNK, tnx
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| 07:53 | <jammcq> g'morning
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| 08:44 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:45 | <ogra> !s
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| 08:45 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:45 | <sbalneav> Hey ogra!
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| 08:45 | <ogra> yo :)
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| 08:45 | <sbalneav> How's the sprint going?
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| 08:45 | <ogra> classmaty
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| 08:45 | <sbalneav> Zoomy
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| 08:46 | Here's a question for you.
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| 08:46 | <ogra> i finally got all people i need around
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| 08:46 | <sbalneav> Lets say I went out, and bought a 4 gig memory stick for mine.
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| 08:46 | <ogra> yup
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| 08:46 | <sbalneav> hooked up a cdrom to it, and did an install
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| 08:46 | <ogra> nah
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| 08:46 | wait until next week, i'll have an image for you
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| 08:46 | <sbalneav> nah?
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| 08:46 | ah, ok
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| 08:47 | <ogra> if you do a non squashfs solution on it it will get horribly slow
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| 08:47 | the image i have here is actually very good, only openoffice isnt usable
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| 08:47 | (takes 2min to start)
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| 08:48 | <sbalneav> well, that's not the end of the world
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| 08:48 | <ogra> but i'll switch to abiword/gnumeric
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| 08:48 | <sbalneav> !
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| 08:48 | <ogra> both is actually usable
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| 08:48 | <sbalneav> For edubuntu in general, or for the classmate images?
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| 08:48 | <ogra> prob with abiword is that its incompatible to LP wrt translations
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| 08:48 | only for the classmate
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| 08:48 | <sbalneav> ah, ok
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| 08:49 | <ogra> i dont want to be default edubuntu to different from standard ubuntu
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| 08:49 | <sbalneav> right.
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| 08:50 | Well, I've got a couple of meetings this morning, but I'm clearing the decks for the rest of the day to hack on LDM.
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| 08:50 | I'll let you know my progress
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| 08:51 | I've been getting crash reports on startup from nbd-server
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| 08:51 | Is the nbd guy digging into it, or should I spend some time tonight to sort it out?
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| 08:53 | <ogra> i'll fix that soon
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| 08:54 | <gvy> !o :-)
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| 08:54 | <ltspbot`> gvy: Error: "o" is not a valid command.
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| 08:54 | <ogra> its nbd-server trying to start via the initscript
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| 08:54 | which we want to avoid if in inetd mode
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| 08:54 | trivial patch to the initscript
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| 08:54 | <gvy> ogra, btw... does ldm require python 2.5?
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| 08:54 | <ogra> 2.4 at least iirc
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| 08:55 | <ogra> but from gutsy on we wont have any python code in it anymore :)
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| 08:55 | <sbalneav> gvy: Commented on your bug. I don't have time to look into a user list for this time, we'll examine it for next go-around.
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| 08:55 | <gvy> sbalneav, thx & np :)
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| 08:55 | ogra, tnx
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| 08:56 | <ogra> sbalneav, btw i just talked withour new server team member ;) he's hired for ldap and ldap only
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| 08:56 | <sbalneav> By default, you'd want it turned off, because it's a huge information leak, IMHO. Now, an attacker, by simply looking at the login screen, can find out all your userids.
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| 08:56 | <sbalneav> ogra: Oh, cool! Who is he?
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| 08:57 | <ogra> he's american
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| 08:58 | in any case we'll have full client support in gutsy and he's planning a server setup by gutsy+1
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| 08:58 | so finally gutsy+1 will be the fat client release :)
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| 08:59 | and it looks like we'll get ebox to main
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| 08:59 | <sbalneav> burgundavia was mentioning ebox last night.
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| 09:00 | <ogra> http://ebox-platform.com/
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| 09:00 | yeah
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| 09:00 | its around since quite some time
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| 09:00 | now it finally gets integrated properly
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| 09:00 | <sbalneav> cool.
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| 09:00 | good news for us.
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| 09:01 | <ogra> i also fought for getting sis7019 into our default kernel ...
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| 09:01 | and oss modules will be back soon :)
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| 09:01 | (was quite fruitful this sprint)
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| 09:03 | <sbalneav> Do we need oss?
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| 09:04 | I thought alsa was better? Or is there some old oss-only cruft out there?
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| 09:09 | <vporo> what are you using instead?
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| 09:09 | ry
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| 09:11 | <Lumiere> there is plenty of old oss-only cruft left
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| 09:11 | which sucks
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| 09:11 | one of the big ones for me is Wine
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| 09:11 | their alsa audio layer is very broken
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| 10:08 | <sbalneav> brb, meeting
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| 10:22 | <rjune> ogra: you around?
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| 10:24 | sbalneav: ping?
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| 10:37 | <joebaker> Lumiere: I've been watching the Wine releases, and in the last two months there has been much work to address sound problems.
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| 10:44 | <Lumiere> joebaker: yes
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| 10:44 | but they had a regression just before .9.40
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| 10:45 | * Lumiere is waiting for the point where he can use multiple sound apps at the same time still | |
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| 10:52 | <gvy> Lumiere, well some can already, either with dmix or with hw mixing
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| 10:52 | didn't look at pulse that way yet
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| 10:54 | <ogra> sbalneav, yes, there are some devices loke geode which needs the kaluha driver and the e2300 which needs the sis7019
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| 10:54 | s/loke/like/
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| 10:54 | with the alsa plugin for oss and pulse on top it doest behave much differently to our default setup
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| 10:55 | (i.e. full alsa support fro everything on the desktop)
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| 10:55 | *for
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| 11:10 | <TTT_Travis> Hi I am trying to run LTSP on an ubuntu server it gets to the Ubuntu bootsplash with the load bar but then the screen just goes black a about 10 seconds later and nothing happens
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| 11:10 | what is the problem?
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| 11:13 | <gvy> press esc?
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| 11:13 | for details
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| 11:14 | <TTT_Travis> esc doesn't do anything
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| 11:14 | its still showing a black screen with the blinking cursor line thing
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| 11:15 | <ogra> TTT_Travis, make sure a desktop is installed
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| 11:15 | <TTT_Travis> I built a client image if thats what you mean
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| 11:16 | <ogra> no
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| 11:16 | you need a desktop on the server to log in to, else ltsp is pontless :)
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| 11:16 | *point
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| 11:16 | <TTT_Travis> yeah there is a desktop on the server
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| 11:16 | <ogra> oh, wait, your boot doesnt even finish it seems
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| 11:17 | <TTT_Travis> it works fine on the server -- but when I boot I just get the bootsplash and the beginning of the load bar
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| 11:17 | but it doesn't make progress
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| 11:17 | <ogra> do your clients fulfill the minimal reqs ? (48M at least)
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| 11:17 | <TTT_Travis> yeah
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| 11:17 | <ogra> which release is that ?
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| 11:18 | edgy, feisty, gutsy ?
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| 11:18 | <TTT_Travis> 5.0.7
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| 11:18 | oh
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| 11:18 | Fesity
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| 11:18 | <ogra> hmm, weird
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| 11:19 | did you follow this guide ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 11:19 | <TTT_Travis> oh wait this might have something to do with it I installed ltsp generated an os image etc. then installed it because I wanted to use my own dhcp server
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| 11:19 | the ltsp installer wanted to remove mine
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| 11:20 | I am using just dhcp (not dhcp3) and atfpd (not tfpd-aba)
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| 11:20 | but ltsp isn't actually installed
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| 11:20 | <ogra> drop splash and quiet from the /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default file to see more details
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| 11:20 | <TTT_Travis> k
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| 11:20 | <ogra> no idea if atftpd works at all
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| 11:21 | <ogra> (its in universe, i dont even think anyone cares for the package)
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| 11:21 | <TTT_Travis> if it gets this far it should work though right?
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| 11:21 | <ogra> no
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| 11:22 | i dont know how the old dhcp handles netbooting
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| 11:22 | <TTT_Travis> ok
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| 11:22 | I am getting an nfs mount error
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| 11:22 | so that much be my problem
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| 11:22 | nfsmount: need a path
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| 11:22 | and then it just keeps trying over and over to mount the that
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| 11:23 | <ogra> oh, thats the old "dont put the ip in root-path" bug i guess
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| 11:24 | <TTT_Travis> lol ok what does that mean
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| 11:24 | so thats a dhcp misconfiguration?
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| 11:25 | <ogra> no, thats a bug in debians and ubuntus initramfs
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| 11:25 | fixed in sid and recently in gutsy
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| 11:25 | <TTT_Travis> so it's not option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
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| 11:25 | related to that?
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| 11:25 | <ogra> yeah
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| 11:26 | <TTT_Travis> how do I fix it?
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| 11:26 | <ogra> it *is* option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
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| 11:26 | the setup that breaks would be option root-path "123.45.67.89:/opt/ltsp/i386";
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| 11:26 | so if you have option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386"; thats fine
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| 11:27 | i assume your dhcp server doesnt hand out the root-path properly
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| 11:27 | <TTT_Travis> oh wait my dhcp doesn't have the root path that was in the dhcp3 config
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| 11:27 | duh
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| 11:27 | <ogra> ah
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| 11:27 | well, at least we'll know then if it works with the old cruft :)
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| 11:27 | why do you use such obsolete versions ?
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| 11:28 | i mean, are you forced to ?
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| 11:28 | <TTT_Travis> I couldn't get dhcp3 to netboot
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| 11:28 | it might have been related to the tftpd server actually
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| 11:28 | <ogra> err
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| 11:28 | <TTT_Travis> I am just trying this out
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| 11:28 | if this works the way I want I will properly configure a server
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| 11:28 | <ogra> well, ltsp-build-client and the ltsp-server-standaloe package do configure everything for you to run out of the box
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| 11:29 | theser is noting else needed than the stuff in the quick install howto
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| 11:29 | <TTT_Travis> yeah this is a dev server I run with a lot of crap so somethings don't work as expected because there are old configs etc.
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| 11:29 | <ogra> indeed if you are forced to use stuff like atftpd by your job or something its good t know i works ;)
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| 11:29 | <TTT_Travis> ok it's booting now~
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| 11:29 | <ogra> *it
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| 11:31 | <TTT_Travis> hmm it go to the text login thing that asks for a username but now it looks like it was trying to load X or something and I just have a black screen
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| 11:31 | how can I get out of X? isn't there like a keyboard command?
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| 11:31 | <ogra> ctrl-alt-f1 ?
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| 11:32 | <TTT_Travis> hmm nothing
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| 11:32 | but I don't know if keyboard input is working yet
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| 11:32 | <ogra> it should
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| 11:33 | what kind of videocards are in there ?
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| 11:33 | <TTT_Travis> it's a nvidea
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| 11:33 | oh
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| 11:33 | <ogra> ah, well
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| 11:33 | <TTT_Travis> I will switch my monitor to the onboard
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| 11:33 | maybe that is why
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| 11:33 | outputting to the wrong video maybe
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| 11:34 | <ogra> or disable the onboard card in the bios
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| 11:35 | <TTT_Travis> I think it is but seems like it never actually gets disabled
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| 11:35 | <ogra> X wont work if no monitor is attached during boot ... since it cant probe for resolution etc
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| 11:35 | <TTT_Travis> ok
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| 11:36 | maybe I was wrong
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| 11:36 | I still don't get anything
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| 11:37 | if I change the Xorg in /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 11:37 | is that what it uses?
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| 11:42 | <ogra> no, it generates it on boot
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| 11:42 | you can force a static file though
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| 11:43 | copy it to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/my-xorg.conf or so and set XF86CONFIG_FILE=/etc/my-xorg.conf in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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| 11:44 | but that wont circumvent the fact that the wrong card is used as default i assume
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| 11:44 | <TTT_Travis> ok I am just wondering how it is configuring X, if it were using my Xorg file it is configured for the server video, which wouldn't work
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| 11:45 | <Gadi> TTT_Travis: try setting XSERVER=vesa in your lts.conf
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| 11:45 | <TTT_Travis> but if I made my own xorg.conf that was proper for the client and set it static like you mentioned it would work
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| 11:45 | ok
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| 11:45 | I'll give that a shot
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| 11:45 | <Gadi> that will rbing up the generic driver
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| 11:45 | *bring
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| 11:46 | <ogra> Gadi, that will still use vesa on the internal card
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| 11:46 | <Gadi> if X is probing the internal card
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| 11:46 | <TTT_Travis> I am not sure if the onboard video is the problem
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| 11:47 | <Gadi> remember, he sees it boot on the adin card
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| 11:47 | *add-in
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| 11:47 | <TTT_Travis> yeah
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| 11:47 | <Gadi> so, its just a question of whether X is configuing based on the onboard card
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| 11:47 | in which case, forcing the driver (and maybe the frequencies too) should work
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| 11:48 | <ogra> X and usplash are unrelated
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| 11:48 | <Gadi> exactly
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| 11:48 | <TTT_Travis> ok now instead of bringing up a plain black screen it is blinking between the black screen and text shell
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| 11:50 | I do get text login though
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| 11:50 | what do I use for my username and password? the ones on the host system don't work
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| 11:50 | <Gadi> try adding to lts.conf:
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| 11:51 | X_HORZSYNC=31-59
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| 11:51 | X_VERTREFRESH=60-60
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| 11:51 | <TTT_Travis> ok
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| 11:51 | <Gadi> those should force some safe (albeit low) resolution
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| 11:53 | <TTT_Travis> still just doing the blink thing
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| 11:56 | anyway forget about x for now
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| 11:57 | how do I login like how do I make the users and everything?
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| 11:59 | <TTT_Travis> nevermind figured it out
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| 12:05 | <whiprush> moquist: plane broke, I'm still stuck in your state. :)
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| 12:07 | <jammcq> whiprush: didn't you have trouble on the outbound flight too ?
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| 12:07 | <whiprush> yeah
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| 12:07 | I am hoping that this takes care of my bad mojo for the year.
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| 12:16 | <TTT_Travis> how much network resources will ltsp eat up?
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| 12:17 | I am only running two clients but still
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| 12:19 | <whiprush> TTT_Travis: I run like 50 some clients on my network and have no problems (100mbit)
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| 12:20 | <TTT_Travis> my clients are media centers
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| 12:20 | so all of the sound and stuff is local so it shouldn't use very many resources at all right?
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| 12:20 | since everything is loaded into ram
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| 12:20 | <whiprush> I've never had a problem on anything except like, old hubs and whatnot
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| 12:39 | <akSeya> hi there...
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| 12:40 | wich is the best way to mount a nfs into all clients?!
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| 12:40 | <TTT_Travis> wow Xorg is really a pain
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| 12:43 | <TTT_Travis> lol how do I mount a floppy on my client?
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| 12:43 | /dev/floppy doesn't exist
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| 12:51 | <TTT_Travis> ok I finally got X to come up
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| 12:51 | logged in my it's like I am using my Host
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| 12:52 | like my home dir has all of my files
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| 12:52 | <TTT_Travis> shouldn't LTSP be different
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| 12:52 | <akSeya> TTT_Travis, nope
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| 12:52 | TTT_Travis, when you log in, is like you were on the server
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| 12:52 | <TTT_Travis> ok
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| 12:52 | I see
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| 12:52 | <akSeya> all users that have account there are able to log in in any client
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| 12:52 | and all files and folders will be avaible to them
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| 12:53 | <TTT_Travis> how come when I was in text mode my root user was different?
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| 12:53 | <akSeya> :)
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| 12:53 | root on the client?
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| 12:53 | <TTT_Travis> yeah
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| 12:53 | in text mode
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| 12:53 | <akSeya> in another vterminal or with a console?
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| 12:54 | <TTT_Travis> vterm
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| 12:54 | <akSeya> hum.. so, in a vterm there is only the root user for local machine
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| 12:54 | to solve any problem...
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| 12:54 | but if you open a console with your client logged in you will be in server..
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| 12:54 | <TTT_Travis> ok now I'm super confused
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| 12:55 | <akSeya> lol..
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| 12:55 | ok.. leme try again
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| 12:55 | you are in your client, there with your client logged in X you open a konsole... every command you type will be executed on server
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| 12:56 | for example, if you type ifconfig on konsole you will see the server IP, not the client
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| 12:56 | <TTT_Travis> ok I see
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| 12:56 | ok so I just need to run as a local user on the client
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| 12:56 | <akSeya> if you want to know your client IP you will have to open the vterm (CTRL+ALT+F1) then every command will be executed on client
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| 12:56 | <TTT_Travis> atleast for this purpose (media center)
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| 12:57 | I see
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| 13:00 | <TTT_Travis> this is what I am trying to accomplish
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| 13:00 | http://www.pachikov.com/ablog/posts/2006/03/07/terminal-server-for-home-media-pcs/
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| 13:00 | and I think I see how it works now
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| 13:01 | <akSeya> TTT_Travis, what LTSP version are you usingG?
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| 13:02 | <TTT_Travis> 5.0.7
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| 13:03 | <akSeya> nice :p
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| 13:03 | i don't know much about ltsp5
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| 13:03 | in 4 we surely had problems with remote media devices
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| 13:04 | but since I use slackware, i still did't had time to compile ltsp5 for it...
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| 13:04 | i may be able to help you with the bases (as that question you asked before)..
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| 13:04 | <TTT_Travis> I just started using LTSP last night so I am figuring this out as I go
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| 13:04 | <akSeya> :)
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| 13:05 | <TTT_Travis> before that I had never netbooted anything or used PXE
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| 13:07 | <akSeya> wich is the best way to mount a nfs into all clients?!
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| 13:08 | <TTT_Travis> does compiling kernel modules I need for my clients work the same through chroot as a normal install?
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| 13:09 | <akSeya> ouch.. sorry.. i'm thinking now.. i don't have to mount it.. just create a symlink on everyones desktop...
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| 13:15 | <moquist> whiprush: heh; sorry, dude
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| 13:15 | whiprush: in the airport?
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| 13:22 | <TTT_Travis> when you guys run terminal servers do you usually run apps like firefox and stuff local?
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| 13:23 | <sbalneav> I run everything remotely
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| 13:24 | <TTT_Travis> what happens when someone tries to play like a youtube video?
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| 13:24 | or use a media app?
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| 13:24 | isn't it super-choppy etc.
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| 13:25 | <sbalneav> I don't allow flash on my network, so it isn't a problem for me :)
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| 13:25 | It depends on network speed, client speed and server speed.
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| 13:26 | <sbalneav> If you want 40 people watching youtube, you're going to need a fairly beefy server.
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| 13:26 | <vagrantc> ogra: ah, bummer. you'll miss freegeek's geek fair
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| 13:26 | <nsweet> howdy
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| 13:26 | <sbalneav> Hello nsweet
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| 13:27 | <nsweet> I have a question about the latest LDM that's supposed to bypass encryption of X traffic
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| 13:27 | I just installed it, but when the terminal boots, it never gets to the login screen.. it almost looks as if LDM is crashing and keeps trying to restart
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| 13:28 | <TTT_Travis> yeah I was just wondering for something like a school how they would do that with flash/video/audio
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| 13:29 | <vagrantc> nsweet: debian or ubuntu ? which version of LDM: dpkg --root /opt/ltsp/i386 -l ldm
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| 13:29 | <nsweet> edubuntu and i just downloaded the LDM from the link in the post on the mailing list
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| 13:30 | it's just the LDM binary
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| 13:30 | <sbalneav> What's the permissions on the file?
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| 13:30 | <vagrantc> just the binary? eeyk.
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| 13:31 | <nsweet> permissions are 755
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| 13:31 | yeah, i just followed the instructions.. :)
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| 13:31 | is there a package available?
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| 13:33 | <sbalneav> I'd put the old one back, and try that first.
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| 13:33 | <nsweet> Yeah, but I really need autologin capabilities
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| 13:34 | <TTT_Travis> when my clients boot X doesn't start, it just gives me a text mode login prompt, how do I startx manual, but not in vterm
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| 13:35 | <sbalneav> Sure, but put the old one back, and reboot, see if the problem goes away. Then we can debug that problem knowing the ldm's the only thing that's changes.
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| 13:35 | <moquist> sbalneav: hey there
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| 13:35 | <nsweet> well, it was working before i changed out the ldm, but i'll doublecheck
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| 13:36 | <Gadi> nsweet: did you already put the autologin info in lts.conf?
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| 13:36 | you can try commenting it out and see if that restores it to normal
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| 13:37 | <nsweet> ok, i'll give that a go
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| 13:37 | <sbalneav> hey moquist
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| 13:37 | <Gadi> autologin is going to bypass the login screen and just keep attempting to login with the creds in lts.conf
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| 13:37 | <nsweet> i see
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| 13:37 | <Gadi> so, if there's a problem, it will just keep trying and failing and reloading
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| 13:37 | <Gadi> (its not that smart atm) ;)
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| 13:38 | <nsweet> are the correct parameters LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD?
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| 13:39 | gadi: your solution appears to work -- commenting out the creds allows it to boot
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| 13:40 | yep, that nails the problem.. for some reason the creds are incorrect.. thank you!
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| 13:40 | <Gadi> np
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| 13:41 | good luck
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| 13:41 | moquist: btw, thx again for the WINS tip - it was right on the money
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| 13:45 | <nsweet> Gadi: it does work -- we had a minor problem when we were creating users and that particular didn't actually get created for whatever reason... thanks everyone for the help.
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| 14:06 | <K_O-Gnom> hmm damn ... in my howto is writen first you should copy the /opt/ltsp/i386/ltsp.conf.example to /opt/ltsp/i386/ltsp.conf but there issnt any .example file only a .readme :-(
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| 14:07 | have anybody here a sample ltsp.conf for me?
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| 14:09 | <vagrantc> K_O-Gnom: what linux distro ?
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| 14:09 | <K_O-Gnom> vagrantc: gentoo
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| 14:09 | <vagrantc> ltsp 4.x ?
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| 14:09 | <K_O-Gnom> vagrantc: yes
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| 14:09 | <K_O-Gnom> vagrantc: 4.2
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| 14:10 | * vagrantc can't wit to see gentoo's LTSP5 implementation | |
| 14:10 | <vagrantc> s,wit,wait,
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| 14:10 | <K_O-Gnom> vagrantc: :-) me too
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| 14:10 | <vagrantc> !lts.conf
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| 14:10 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "lts.conf" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf
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| 14:10 | <vagrantc> try that
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| 14:11 | <K_O-Gnom> vagrantc: thx .. in my howto was a link but i dont see it is that a good basic ltsp.conf? http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/docs/ltsp-4.1-de.html#AEN1211
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| 14:11 | vagrantc: sorry its german :-/
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| 14:12 | <vagrantc> i don't know ltsp 4.x ... in LTSP5 it only requires an lts.conf to change the defaults
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| 14:12 | <K_O-Gnom> vagrantc: thats a nice setting :-)
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| 14:12 | vagrantc: ill try it :-) (maybe i fail then)
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| 14:31 | <moquist> Gadi: np
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| 14:36 | <K_O-Gnom> crap ... my system wont boot with pxe .. (it cant find the kernel image ..
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| 14:49 | <K_O-Gnom> hmmm i think i missconfigured my system ... did somebody know why my system looks vor the kernel image called "linux"?
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| 14:50 | mean where i have to change the default setting?
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| 14:52 | <vagrantc> for network booting ?
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| 14:52 | <K_O-Gnom> vagrantc: yes
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| 14:53 | vagrantc: i create a file /tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg/my-pc-ma-ca-dr-es but it dont load it ..
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| 14:53 | <Gadi> you need a 01-
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| 14:53 | 01-my-pc-ma-ca-dr-es
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| 14:54 | (01 tells it that it is an ethernet mac address)
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| 14:54 | <K_O-Gnom> Gadi: yes i create that (forget the 01- to type here
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| 14:54 | <Gadi> are all the letters lowercase?
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| 14:54 | <K_O-Gnom> Gadi: i looked what my system trying to load and typed the name ..
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| 14:54 | Gadi: yes
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| 14:55 | <Gadi> and whats inside the file?
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| 14:55 | <K_O-Gnom> Gadi: same as in /tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg/default (i just copied it)
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| 14:55 | <Gadi> and whats inside that one?
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| 14:55 | <K_O-Gnom> Gadi: the std little mom i will nopaste it
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| 14:56 | Gadi: http://rafb.net/p/swrg7R67.html
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| 14:57 | <Gadi> that doesnt look like an ltsp kernel it's calling
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| 14:58 | <K_O-Gnom> Gadi: its the standard text in the file i dont change it
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| 14:58 | <Gadi> right, but you are on gentoo, no?
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| 14:58 | gentoo doesnt magically set things up for ltsp
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| 14:59 | <K_O-Gnom> oh i forget i change the label thing first there was written label linux no its label bzIma...
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| 14:59 | Gadi: yes im on gentoo ..
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| 14:59 | <Gadi> try this: cp -a /opt/ltsp/i386/boot /tftpboot/ltsp
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| 14:59 | <K_O-Gnom> s/now/no
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| 14:59 | <Gadi> actually, scratch that
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| 14:59 | forget that
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| 15:00 | try: cp -a /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/* /tftpboot/.
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| 15:00 | <K_O-Gnom> Gadi: dont have /boot in the ltsp root dir
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| 15:00 | <Gadi> ?
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| 15:00 | <vagrantc> ltsp 4.x ...
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| 15:01 | <Gadi> oh....
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| 15:01 | nevermind
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| 15:02 | <K_O-Gnom> hmm yesterday i test that on a other machine there it works without problems on first boot ..
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| 15:02 | but i dont have the machine here so i cant look for the settings
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| 15:10 | hmm ok now it seems to be workin (the pxelinux.cfg dir wasnt in /tftpboot/pxe/ it was in /tftpboot/ ...
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| 15:14 | hmm ok now im as far as yesterday ... the X loads but i dont get a login window did somebody know where my mistake iss?
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| 15:21 | <john_s> hi all, is there a vm image of gutsy available yet? pref xubuntu
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| 15:26 | ok how about this question, when is the expiry of the 6.06 lts server support?
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| 15:27 | <K_O-Gnom> did somebody know why i dont get a login window? only my Xserver starts but no login like gdm or xdm comes up... (only the rastered X screen
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| 15:28 | <vagrantc> !greyscreen
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| 15:28 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "greyscreen" is No login, and only a grey screen? See http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen
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| 15:30 | <john_s> ok, answered question number 2 myself. dunno why i didn't find it before, but 1 still obtains if anyones done a vm image of gutsy
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| 15:30 | <vagrantc> john_s: why not download a CD image and build one yourself ?
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| 15:31 | <K_O-Gnom> vagrantc: hmm ok my display manager isnt listening
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| 15:34 | <john_s> vagrantc: I am interested, tell me more!
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| 15:34 | <vagrantc> john_s: well, configure your vm to boot from CD and install a disk image ...
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| 15:35 | <john_s> hm i only have vmplayer
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| 15:35 | so I don't think I can do that
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| 15:35 | <vagrantc> there's qemu or virtualbox
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| 15:35 | <john_s> which would you recommend
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| 15:35 | ?
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| 15:36 | <vagrantc> haven't used virtualbox, but some swear by it. qemu works for me, but is a little slow.
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| 15:36 | <john_s> ok
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| 15:36 | I'll look into it. Thanks for the advice.
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| 15:37 | <K_O-Gnom> vagrantc: did you know how i can get my xdm listening?
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| 15:37 | <vagrantc> K_O-Gnom: should be instructions in the troubleshooting URL above
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| 15:37 | <K_O-Gnom> vagrantc: yes i tried ... but failed ..
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| 15:38 | * vagrantc is hoping to see XDMCP obsoleted | |
| 15:38 | <K_O-Gnom> vagrantc: i have set the DisplayManager.requestPort: 0 and the * # any host can get a login window settings and restart my xdm but nothing works
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| 15:39 | whoop ... now i changed back to gdm and restart my xdm and woop i have a login window
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| 15:41 | ok thats lol ... i logged in and got a black screen and then i got the login window pack
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| 15:41 | s/back/pack
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| 15:42 | <K_O-Gnom> vagrantc: is there another troubleshooting page for login problems?
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| 15:42 | <vagrantc> K_O-Gnom: what's wrong ?
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| 15:43 | <K_O-Gnom> vagrantc: i type my username and type my password and it says i ignore $HOME/somefile that prevents the languages settings to beeing saved ... and i click ok ... then i got ablack screen and it came back with the login window ..
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| 15:44 | <vagrantc> K_O-Gnom: look in $HOME/.xsession-errors
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| 15:45 | <K_O-Gnom> vagrantc: ther isnt any file called .xession-errors
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| 15:45 | <vagrantc> how about .xsession-errors ?
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| 15:46 | <K_O-Gnom> vagrantc: no file called xsession-errors only some .bash* files
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| 15:46 | (on the server
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| 15:46 | <vagrantc> K_O-Gnom: ls -l /etc/X11/Xsession
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| 15:47 | <K_O-Gnom> no directory called Xsession in X11...
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| 15:47 | <vagrantc> could you paste the output of that command ?
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| 15:48 | oh, wait ... this is LTSP 4.x ...
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| 15:48 | <K_O-Gnom> http://rafb.net/p/7p6ldT47.html
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| 15:49 | <vagrantc> on gentoo ?
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| 15:49 | <K_O-Gnom> vagrantc: yes 4.2 on gentoo
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| 15:49 | * vagrantc is clueless | |
| 15:51 | <K_O-Gnom> hmm me not ..
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| 16:00 | vagrantc: now i know the problem ... im not able to write in my own homedir ..
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| 16:00 | <vagrantc> that'll do it
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| 16:00 | <K_O-Gnom> vagrantc: did you know the standard chmod of /home ? i thought it belongs to root:root but i dont know the chmod
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| 16:03 | <vagrantc> nope.
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| 16:04 | <K_O-Gnom> hmm ok vagrantc now i get it to work :-)
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| 16:04 | <vagrantc> on debian, it's owned by root, and group root, with og+rx
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| 16:04 | and u+rwx
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| 16:05 | <K_O-Gnom> vagrantc: hmm ok thx .. i dont know how but now it works ..
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| 16:05 | <K_O-Gnom> (witout mouse ..
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| 16:08 | <K_O-Gnom> vagrantc: how can i figure out where my mouse device is on the Xtermina?
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| 16:08 | +l
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| 16:31 | <K_O-Gnom> good n8 and thanks for all the help
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| 19:09 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 19:11 | <Q-FUNK> am I the only one for whom ltsp-build-client fails on Debian since a few days?
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| 19:11 | <vagrantc> Q-FUNK: which version of debian ? which ltsp packages ?
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| 19:12 | <Q-FUNK> etch.
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| 19:13 | default packages.
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| 19:13 | NOTE: adding default dist and components to security mirror:
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| 19:13 | http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main
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| 19:13 | I: Retrieving Release
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| 19:13 | E: Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-i386/Packages
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| 19:13 | error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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| 19:13 | <vagrantc> hmm..
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| 19:13 | rm -rf /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 19:13 | try again
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| 19:13 | <Q-FUNK> I tried with the default and with various mirrors. same thing.
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| 19:13 | alrwady tried that.
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| 19:13 | <vagrantc> ok
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| 19:15 | <Q-FUNK> it's about the Release file for etch, as you might have noticed.
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| 19:15 | maybe adebootstrap issue.
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| 19:16 | <vagrantc> it would be unusual that it would break, seeing as there's been no real changes to etch.
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| 19:16 | i'll give it a whirl here
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| 19:17 | <Q-FUNK> I can imagine an archive update lacking the GPG signature or something happening.
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| 19:17 | <vagrantc> right
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| 19:17 | <Q-FUNK> that could confuse debootstrap
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| 19:21 | vagrantc: does it also fail for you?
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| 19:25 | <vagrantc> Q-FUNK: works for me.
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| 19:26 | <Q-FUNK> hm.
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| 19:26 | <vagrantc> Q-FUNK: are you running through an http proxy or something ?
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| 19:26 | <Q-FUNK> etch host installing an etch chroot?
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| 19:26 | nop.e
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| 19:26 | <vagrantc> yes, etch on etch
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| 19:27 | Q-FUNK: try running debootstrap manually
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| 19:27 | debootstrap etch /tmp/foo
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| 19:28 | Q-FUNK: i mean, it gets past where you were ... haven't figured out if it actually completes an install yet.
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| 19:28 | <Q-FUNK> yup
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| 19:28 | same message about having received an invalid Release file
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| 19:29 | <vagrantc> what version of debootstrap ?
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| 19:29 | dpkg -l debootstrap
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| 19:29 | <Q-FUNK> 0.3.3.2
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| 19:30 | <vagrantc> that's what i'm using
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| 19:32 | <Q-FUNK> hm. might have been a corrupt debootstrap. I just purged --force-dpeends and reinstalled it and it works now.
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| 19:32 | really odd.
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| 19:35 | oh well.
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| 19:35 | it was debootstrap, it seems.
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| 19:35 | <vagrantc> cal
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| 19:35 | <Q-FUNK> either that or this hdd is accumulating bad sectors
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| 19:36 | vagrantc: thanks for the help anyhow :)
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| 19:37 | <vagrantc> Q-FUNK: of course :)
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| 19:38 | <Q-FUNK> I'm re-installing all packages, just to be safe
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| 19:38 | <vagrantc> oh, fun.
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| 19:38 | <Shane-S> hi all, I am subscribed to the K12OS mailing list, which has the K12LTSP project in it. I was wondering has anyone gotten an all-in-one PowerMac G3 to work as a think client without needing a hard drive and some linux variant?
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| 19:39 | I asked on the mailing list and got a "search the archives" and everything I find mentioned Yellow Dog Linux
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| 19:39 | <Q-FUNK> vagrantc: not so, but easy at least, thanks to aptitude's L command.
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| 19:39 | <Shane-S> I am trying to see if I can salvage those old systems as thin clients
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| 19:40 | <jammcq> Shane-S: the guy who knows most about those is cliebow. I'm not sure if he's around right now
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| 19:40 | <Q-FUNK> Shane-S: they support netboot so yes, this should work, in theory.
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| 19:41 | you'd need to configure them for netboot and then save that as the default option in open firmware.
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| 19:41 | <Shane-S> yeah I plugged it in and yanked the hard drive to force it to HUNT,and the firmware keeps being mentioned, perhaps that is what Yellow Dog messes with
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| 19:41 | well I will hang around while I seach and check into it more
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| 19:42 | <Q-FUNK> Shane-S: the main thing to look for is not "ltsp imac g3" but rather "imac g3 network boot"
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| 19:42 | mac sites should have the info on how to configure them for that
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| 19:43 | <Shane-S> its not an iMac, its a PowerMac, the ones with the IBM based CD-Rom's and Floppies
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| 19:43 | still uses a G3, they were sold to education only
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| 19:43 | otherwise they were "IBM clone" look-a-likes
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| 19:44 | all boxy and seperate...let em find photos :P
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| 19:44 | <Q-FUNK> http://ask.metafilter.com/21425/Is-is-possible-to-NetBoot-a-G3-iMac
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| 19:44 | ah
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| 19:44 | but this is still OF. this should work.
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| 19:44 | <Shane-S> http://user-agent.org/stuff/images/power_mac_g3.jpg
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| 19:45 | <Q-FUNK> http://www.netbsd.org/Documentation/network/netboot/intro.macppc.html
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| 19:45 | try booting while holding the N key
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| 19:46 | <Shane-S> pretty sure I did that too
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| 19:46 | I guess I have to tail some log file to see if a connection is even attempted
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| 19:46 | wish I has one here
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| 19:47 | <Q-FUNK> which OF version does it have?
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| 19:49 | that netbsd page pretty has the info
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| 19:50 | <Shane-S> I think that is it, I think the A-I-O's had a closed firmware
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| 19:51 | <vagrantc> ah, there's a few other firewares for some of those oddball macs
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| 19:52 | <Shane-S> that might be why everyone kept mentioning Yellow Dog, perhaps that offer one
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| 19:53 | thanks for that link, that spells out more details then I have though
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| 19:58 | <Q-FUNK> welcome
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| 20:06 | <Shane-S> BSD is a Unix port isnt it?
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| 20:14 | <antiyanki> Hola gente....
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| 20:36 | <Shane-S> anyone running LTSP on a virtualized server?
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| 21:20 | <Shane-S> anyone know if you can get a PowerPC 5260 working as a thin client, the NetBSD pages have a solid NOT SUPPORTED icon, as the firmware is not open
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| 21:28 | anyone know if http://www.2x.com/pxes/ allow you to connected to an LTSP server?
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| 23:37 | <MrMoo> is .bashrc / .bash_profile run before the desktop on LDM login?
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| 23:38 | <sbalneav> No
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| 23:38 | <MrMoo> does that mean its impossible to clean up old processes on login?
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| 23:38 | <sbalneav> No, but you'll need to create the cleanup script as part of the X session.
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| 23:39 | Put a file that can be . included in a shell script in /etc/X11/Xsession.d
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| 23:39 | Make sure it doesn't do an "exit" call in it, and call /bin/true as the last thing you do.
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| 23:40 | So you could create /etc/X11/Xsession.d/40-Clean-up-some-stuff
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| 23:40 | and put in things like
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| 23:40 | pkill -u $USER OpenOffice
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| 23:40 | <MrMoo> yup
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| 23:41 | <sbalneav> pkill -u $USER mozilla, etc
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| 23:41 | <MrMoo> gnome is very messy on terminal crash
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| 23:41 | <sbalneav> end off with /bin/true
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| 23:47 | <MrMoo> thanks
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