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Channel log from 4 March 2020 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:18 | <alkisg> !install
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| 03:18 | <ltspbot> install: To install LTSP: https://ltsp.org/docs/installation/
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| 03:18 | <alkisg> map7: you may also just use the ppa, I've tested it from jessie to bullseye
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| 03:18 | And if you don't like custom sources, you may remove it after installation
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| 03:19 | Regarding ltsp5 and usb, it should work without lts.conf options
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| 03:19 | (on fat clients, that is)
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| 03:28 | foxhoundv: x2go has an option to select the session, so the users may select any available session, kubuntu etc
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| 05:29 | <map7> alkisg: Thanks. Got USB working had to add some permissions through polkit https://gist.github.com/map7/b5ca8988660dca5479b5b2247f040a30
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| 05:29 | works through thunar now no problem.
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| 05:29 | little different than thin clients as that was handled by ltspfs
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| 05:32 | <alkisg> map7: I guess you're missing some packages and you had to do that
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| 05:32 | Fat clients are like disked machines, you shouldn't have to do such things
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| 05:33 | But chroots do miss packages that normal desktop installations have (and that's why I'm recommending VMs instead of chroots nowadays)
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| 05:34 | <map7> alkisg: Cool. I'm going to give LTSP 20.1 a go under Debian Buster.
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| 05:34 | <alkisg> map7: which desktop environment, btw?
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| 05:35 | <map7> XFCE4
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| 05:35 | <alkisg> Can you use chrootless, or is it not appropriate in your setup?
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| 05:35 | <map7> I could give it a go
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| 05:35 | just 'ltsp image /'?
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| 05:35 | <alkisg> You should be able to boot clients in less that an hour, including server installation then
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| 05:35 | Yup
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| 05:35 | Just follow ALL the installation steps
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| 05:35 | !install
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| 05:35 | <ltspbot> install: To install LTSP: https://ltsp.org/docs/installation/
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| 05:36 | <alkisg> As some things are different than ltsp5
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| 05:36 | <map7> Cool, I'll give it a go, thanks.
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| 05:36 | <alkisg> np
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| 15:35 | <foxhoundv> alkisg Hello and good day. I have a question to run by you just to know if it's possible. Would it be possible to run a windows image on Ubuntu LTSP?
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| 15:39 | <quinox> you can run virtualbox on a booted image (I put in flash drives in my computers specifically for Docker and virtualbox), it's a very pleasant experience
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| 15:39 | you can also run a remote desktop client on Linux that will connect to a Windows machine somewhere else
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| 15:40 | (my experience is that rdp from a VM windows to another windows is super smooth, but RDP directly from Linux to a Windows machine is mediocre at best)
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| 16:01 | <foxhoundv> quinox Thanks for the reply. I am currently running Ubuntu LTSP which houses Rasbian images for my RPi's though to run certain software, a Windows environment seems to be needed.
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| 16:08 | <||cw> foxhoundv: windows doesn't natively support any remote disk methods for the "root", so it's not that simple
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| 16:08 | quinox: I use freerdp from lstp to windows VMs, if the hardware is core2 and the screen less than full HD it feels native
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| 16:09 | I don't think I have any with full hd though
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| 16:09 | mostly 1280x1024
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| 16:10 | /rfx +clipboard +fonts -wallpaper makes a big difference
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| 16:10 | +clipboard is proabbly not needed, that's from my local script
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| 16:34 | <alkisg> !cheap-client | echo foxhoundv:
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| 16:34 | <ltspbot> foxhoundv: cheap-client: https://www.gearbest.com/tv-box-c_11262/?attr=2081-1279
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| 16:34 | <foxhoundv> ||cw ok, thanks for the info. So it should work fine remoting into a VM Windows Environment correct?
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| 16:34 | <alkisg> foxhoundv: in general, these are much faster than rpi4's, and some also have windowss
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| 16:34 | Remoting into windows is doable, but you need a windows server for multiple users, or a crack of a windows dll
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| 16:35 | For a single user it's easy
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| 16:35 | Another approach is to have PCs as clients, not raspberries, and have them run VMs of windows, on top of ltsp netbooted linux
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| 16:36 | E.g. I have schools that boot ltsp on diskless i3 PCs, and optionally run a windows VM (the same for all students) after login
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| 16:37 | Of course if you can make your software run under wine, that's the best option
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| 16:38 | <||cw> foxhoundv: yeah, what I have is basically VDI with ltsp as the thin clients. I use ltps's mac address based client options to set what client remotes to what VM
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| 16:40 | <alkisg> ||cw: does that perform any better than just "running a VM on thin clients", i.e. plain xorg session and run vbox inside it?
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| 16:40 | I don't have a server good enough to run 12 instances of windows, so I never tried that
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| 16:40 | <||cw> alkisg: on p3/p4 clients, yes, I haven't really pushed it to faster clients
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| 16:40 | <alkisg> ||cw: no I mean, you're using rdp over xorg, wouldn't plain xorg be faster?
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| 16:41 | In both cases, the VM runs on the server and the screen is transferred...
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| 16:41 | <||cw> have you ever tried running a VM on a 2Ghz p4 with 512MB ram?
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| 16:41 | <alkisg> Thin client
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| 16:41 | I.e. the VM would run on the server
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| 16:41 | Thin login
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| 16:42 | LTSP_FATCLIENT=False
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| 16:42 | You login, you're on the server
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| 16:42 | You just run the VM. No rdp involved.
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| 16:42 | <||cw> oh, no, in that case I'd be runnign a VM in a VM, I'm all virtual here
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| 16:42 | my ltsp is a VM too
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| 16:42 | <alkisg> Gotcha
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| 16:43 | <||cw> the only non-hypervisor server i have runs backup, and it's already frequently loaded
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| 16:43 | <alkisg> It's a big downside if the users can't run VMs inside their sessions though
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| 16:43 | It beats the benefits of a virtualized ltsp server
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| 16:44 | Anyways, no thin clients anymore, so the idea is moot now...
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| 16:44 | <||cw> yeah, my thins aren't really thin, even back when I was using ltsp4, they are just rdp clients booted ltsp
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| 16:45 | the clients never open a session to the server
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| 16:45 | user session that is, they just run xfree locally
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| 16:46 | and xfree is the DE, there's nothing else.
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| 16:46 | <alkisg> So if you set up an nfs server on windows, you won't even need a linux server :D
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| 16:47 | <||cw> technically, yeah. I have linux VMs for many other reasons though
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| 16:48 | and i still need something to build the client on
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| 16:49 | <foxhoundv> alkisg The only problem with running the software in Wine that I can see is that the software has a DB in a windows environment. I don't know how well it will work.
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| 16:49 | The software is called Switched on Schoolhouse
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| 16:49 | You create a Teacher account on a specific PC, then install the student version on different PC's
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| 16:50 | They connect to the DB built into the Teacher PC
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| 16:50 | Basically to save progress and grades
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| 16:52 | <alkisg> https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=6067
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| 16:52 | Says "garbage", at least for their old 2009 version
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| 16:54 | <foxhoundv> Yeah, I saw that yesterday which is why I was thinking if I could take the LTSP Client RPi's and remote into a Windows 7 environment I could get it to work fine
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| 16:54 | <alkisg> What server did you say you have, and how many clients?
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| 16:54 | E.g. 24 GB RAM?
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| 16:55 | <foxhoundv> I have 64GB RAM and I am running 2 RPi's right now
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| 16:55 | <alkisg> Then sure, that'd work
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| 17:03 | <foxhoundv> alkisg I did have one other thought for a side project. Would it be a good idea to use Client RPi's to connect to an LTSP image of Ubuntu MATE for RPi's?
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| 17:04 | <Teridon> Frog
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| 17:04 | wrong window :(
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| 17:13 | <quinox> as long as that's not your mail password :)
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| 17:25 | <alkisg> foxhoundv: sure, although it's best to focus on fat clients, not on thin clients
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| 17:26 | So, it would be best to have a simple server with 300€, and the clients also with 300€, able to run the OS diskless but as fat clients with their own CPU
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| 17:26 | Either linux or windows or whatever
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| 17:27 | If money is so much an issue, even those cheap-clients with 100 euros will do
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| 17:29 | E.g. try to watch youtube (a) on rpi4 = fine, or (b) over rdp = awful
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| 17:30 | Between 2010 and 2030, remote desktop isn't / won't be a good choice, after 2030 it will be again a good choice as we'll have CPUs capable of compressing multiple vp9 streams real time :)
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| 17:46 | <foxhoundv> There won't be any youtube watching over RDP. it will be a closed network with no outside access
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| 17:50 | <alkisg> Just scrolling in calc or writer can require gigabytes of traffic too
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| 17:50 | !thin
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| 17:50 | <ltspbot> I do not know about 'thin', but I do know about these similar topics: 'thin-client-deprecation'
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| 17:50 | <alkisg> !thin-client-deprecation
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| 17:50 | <ltspbot> thin-client-deprecation: The new LTSP doesn't support thin clients (remote Xorg), but it does support low-spec netbooted clients with remote desktop (xfreerdp, x2go etc). Read more in https://github.com/ltsp/community/issues/32
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| 23:31 | <map7> Everytime I add the following to my lts.conf file for LTSP5 and rebuild my fat-client fails with a kernel panic
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| 23:32 | FSTAB_1="192.168.200.4:/home/data /home/data nfs defaults,nolock 0 0
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