IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 22 May 2008 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | <johnny> then it would be available for everybody
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| 00:00 | <Liebert> yeah, get the ppl who had the money and willing to do it
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| 00:00 | * Liebert <<< not much money | |
| 00:00 | <Liebert> :(
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| 00:00 | <johnny> but you were gonna buy that software
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| 00:00 | if you were running windows..
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| 00:00 | <Liebert> i won't run windows
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| 00:00 | windows are crazy!
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| 00:01 | money this, money that
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| 00:01 | <booghotfoot> shital_ so you installed ltsp 4.2 and ran thru the ltspadmin script?
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| 00:01 | <Liebert> money this, money that on windows
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| 00:01 | <johnny> booghotfoot, that says ltspfs
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| 00:01 | which is not ltsp 4 :)
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| 00:01 | <Liebert> the thin-client on windows, you have to pay us$31 for every thin-client
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| 00:01 | for the terminal connection license
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| 00:01 | <booghotfoot> i see that now
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| 00:02 | <johnny> Liebert, if you don't have money.. you could contact other people and raise it .. so everybody gets it..
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| 00:02 | <Liebert> not mentioning microsoft office thin client license
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| 00:02 | <booghotfoot> He's trying to boot thin clients to ltsp, but installed only the ltsp filesystem?
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| 00:03 | <johnny> shital_, if that's hte only package with ltsp inthe name, you don't have a complete install
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| 00:03 | <booghotfoot> that's what i was getting at too
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| 00:04 | <shital_> I have these many file installed ltsp-utils-0.25-0, ltspfs-0.4.4-2.2, kiwi-desc-ltsp-0.3.11-4.1
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| 00:06 | <booghotfoot>: is that enough?
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| 00:07 | <booghotfoot> I have not installed the kiwi tool. just straight up ltsp
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| 00:07 | what does the kiwi offer? is that the ltsp 5 equivalent?
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| 00:09 | <booghotfoot> i heard in this group before to just stick with ltsp 4 right now on the opensuse platform, and try kiwi in opensuse 11
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| 00:09 | 4.2
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| 00:11 | <johnny> huh..
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| 00:11 | oh.. on opensuse.. sure..
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| 00:12 | shital_, there are suse ltsp people who hang around here too
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| 00:12 | <vagrantc> i'd ask cyberorg about opensuse's ltsp status
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| 00:12 | <johnny> they are just not awke yet
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| 00:20 | <shital_> <johnny>: can u tell me how to set "XDMCP" option in X server ??
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| 00:22 | <johnny> yay xsl..
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| 00:22 | * johnny works on xsl file | |
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| 01:50 | <vagrantc> warren, cyberorg, dberkholz, johnny: i'm preparing to tag ltsp-trunk within the next half-hour
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| 01:54 | <dberkholz> thanks for the note
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| 01:55 | <vagrantc> just following procedure :)
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| 01:58 | <Big-K> good morning guys :)
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| 01:58 | is it possible to disable ssh tunneling, e.g. for the window manager?!
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| 01:58 | <vagrantc> LDM_DIRECTX=true
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| 01:58 | in lts.conf
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| 01:59 | <Big-K> aha
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| 01:59 | thx
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| 01:59 | !!
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| 01:59 | <ltspbot`> Big-K: Error: "!" is not a valid command.
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| 01:59 | <vagrantc> it still uses an ssh tunnel, but not for most of the X traffic
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| 01:59 | <Big-K> hmmm
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| 01:59 | struggling with the logout process
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| 02:00 | my pam logout scripts aren't executed
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| 02:00 | <vagrantc> known bug
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| 02:00 | <Big-K> uh
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| 02:00 | I#m sorry :)
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| 02:00 | <vagrantc> http://bugs.debian.org/src:ldm ...
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| 02:01 | forget the exact bug number
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| 02:01 | <Big-K> will that options solve it?
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| 02:01 | <vagrantc> nope
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| 02:01 | <Big-K> :(
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| 02:01 | <vagrantc> no known fix as of ye
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| 02:01 | <Big-K> ok thank you
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| 02:01 | <vagrantc> yet
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| 02:01 | <Big-K> besides that, great work!!
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| 02:01 | :D
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| 02:01 | thank you guys
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| 02:01 | <vagrantc> don't know if other distro's bug trackers also have bugs for it
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| 02:01 | glad to hear you like it :)
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| 02:02 | <Big-K> using ubuntu
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| 02:12 | <alkisg> !seen ogra
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| 02:12 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 19 hours, 31 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <ogra> :)
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| 02:14 | <johnny> ogra is at a conference
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| 02:14 | he won't be available for a bit longer
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| 02:32 | <polytan> re
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| 02:33 | johnny, I don't have install yet ltsp
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| 02:33 | I've just done pxeboot+dhcp+netboot on my gentoo
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| 02:33 | <johnny> ltsp5 is not yet released for gentoo, i'm still working on it, still a few small things left to do
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| 02:34 | <polytan> johnny, can you give me a page saying what does ltsp ?
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| 02:34 | <johnny> polytan, perhaps the edubuntu handbook
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| 02:34 | but it's basically what you have, except you run all the processes on the server
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| 02:34 | it's just a set of scripts to enable that for each distro that supports it
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| 02:35 | and get local connected device access
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| 02:35 | <polytan> ok
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| 02:35 | that's exactly what I need to set up
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| 02:36 | <johnny> how did you enable the netboot?
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| 02:36 | <johnny> genkernel generated initramfs does not include the network drivers we need, nor does it include support for aufs, which i am interested in
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| 02:37 | <polytan> I do my own kernels indeed
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| 02:37 | <johnny> well, doing genkernel makes the process automatable, and also helps normal gentoo users who use it
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| 02:37 | so i'm trying to go with that
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| 02:38 | <polytan> do I have to use ltsp binary for all the apps I want or it is transparent and I can use *normal* apps ?
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| 02:40 | <johnny> the apps you use are all as installed on the server
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| 02:42 | basically.. you turn it on, get ip address, get the initramfs and kernel , load the rootfs over nfs or nbd, start the distro's init scripts
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| 02:43 | load a local graphical display for user/password entry, then ssh auth on the server, and then either tunnel X via ssh, or go direct
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| 02:44 | while sound comes locally
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| 02:44 | and local device access works
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| 02:44 | that's about what ltsp is
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| 02:45 | <polytan> ok
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| 02:45 | perfect
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| 02:46 | I will set it up on spetember
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| 02:46 | <polytan> if you need help to test and validate ebuild, I'm here
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| 02:46 | <primary> morning from SA, Qfunk is the repos sorted now?
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| 02:46 | <johnny> polytan, if you ask me in a few days, i'll have something for ya i hope
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| 02:46 | i just need to work out the initramfs now
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| 02:47 | <polytan> johnny, september
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| 02:47 | <polytan> now, I'm just collecting doc and info
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| 02:48 | actually, I've done a small openmosix cluster where all my nodes were started my netbbot
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| 02:48 | but processes started on the node, not on the server
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| 02:48 | and now, I need them to run on the server
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| 02:49 | <johnny> hehe
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| 02:49 | <polytan> (there is no more cluster in my network, it is another one)
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| 02:49 | <primary> one of my user's evolution does not load, the user profile also do some funny things with other apps. any tips
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| 03:21 | <vagrantc> tagged and pushed 5.1.9 to ltsp-trunk ...
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| 05:08 | <LL01> does ltsp do load balancing?
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| 05:12 | does wilisystem dead?
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| 05:13 | <Q-FUNK> ?
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| 05:13 | <LL01> wilisystem project
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| 05:13 | http://www.wilisystem.com/
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| 05:13 | website down
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| 05:14 | <cjsstables> can anyone tell me how to change the client desktop environment from Ubuntu gnome to an xfce desktop... or where to read about doing that?
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| 05:18 | <johnny> you can prolly try to set LDM_SESSION="" and point it to your xfce session manager, but perhaps that's not the best..
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| 05:18 | maybe there's some update-alternatives way
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| 05:19 | <cjsstables> ok.. i'll try to find it by more reading
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| 07:10 | <Nubae> hey there, I've got a question about italc... It works wonderfully, but is there a way to save the clients within the master italc screen. Right now, every time the italc is shutdown the settings get lost, and the clients have to be added manually all over again
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| 07:10 | perhaps there is a configuration file or something that I've missed
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| 07:36 | <Blinny> Yuck. Another fun crash.
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| 07:36 | Working along, then all of a sudden new apps wouldn't open.
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| 07:37 | Trying to open them in a running gnome-terminal session gave this: (Tomboy:21061): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: localhost:15.0
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| 07:38 | 'course, after I logged out, bonobo-activation-server and gconfd were still running for my user so I couldn't log back in - had to log in as someone else, then kill all the processes and log back in as my user
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| 07:38 | FUN
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| 07:39 | <laga> /join; complain(); /part
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| 07:40 | <Blinny> As a temporary fix I have 'killall -u $USER' in my .xprofile
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| 07:47 | <generic> guys ltsp5 works on nmbd by default i want to run it on nfs
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| 07:47 | what to do?
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| 07:48 | <laga> generic: "huh"? :) what distro?
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| 07:48 | <generic> ubuntu
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| 07:48 | <laga> ah. you mean "nbd" then. wait a second
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| 07:49 | generic: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWithoutNFS?highlight=(ltsp)
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| 07:49 | not sure why you'd want to do that, but it's possible :)
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| 07:50 | <generic> laga its nbb i want to run it as nfs
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| 07:51 | <laga> no, it's nbd :)
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| 07:52 | <alkisg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToSetupLTSPDevelEnvironment
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| 07:53 | <generic> see on default installation ltsp5 run on nbd right i want to run it on nfs
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| 07:53 | for some reasons
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| 07:53 | <laga> yes
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| 07:53 | <alkisg> generic, see the link i posted
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| 07:53 | <laga> then you just click on the link i posted above
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| 07:53 | and read the website
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| 07:53 | and suddenly, it'll become clear
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| 07:54 | <Q-FUNK> ogra_: are you attending any session at 15:00 ?
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| 07:54 | <ogra_> Q-FUNK, i wanted to go to the mobile setup wizard thingy but its not mandatory
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| 07:55 | <Q-FUNK> ogra_: I was wondering if now would be a good time to rab cr3 and establish a testing protocol for thin clients?
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| 07:55 | <ogra_> good idea
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| 07:56 | he might be in the OEM session though
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| 07:56 | <generic> ok
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| 07:56 | <zamba> i have a problem with kiosk mode.. when X has been started, i'm only presented with the blank ubuntu-looking screen (with the ubuntu colors), but no firefox.. if i then proceed to move the mouse around or pressing some keys on the keyboard, all of a sudden firefox appears..
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| 07:57 | what could be causing this?
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| 08:00 | i just tested again.. just moving the mouse randomly around the screen is enough to launch it
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| 08:06 | <Q-FUNK> ogra_: he's free between 16:00 and 17:15
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| 08:07 | <LL01> someone already install ltsp on hardy?
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| 08:08 | when I apt-get ltsp-server-standalone, I got error for nbd-server
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| 08:11 | <ogra_> whats the error
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| 08:11 | zamba, try adding a sleep or so, sounds like a race condition
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| 08:12 | i.e. ff trying to strt but metacity not u yet
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| 08:12 | *up
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| 08:12 | <zamba> ogra_: a sleep where?
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| 08:12 | <ogra_> laga, los of praise for you from your mythbuntu lead (we were out for dinner last night )
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| 08:13 | laga, that wikipage has lots of wrong info on it, be careful with recommending it
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| 08:13 | <laga> ogra_: hah. nice :)
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| 08:13 | ogra_: yes.
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| 08:13 | i don't actually recommend it.
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| 08:13 | <ogra_> zamba, .xsession
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| 08:13 | <laga> i need to delete it, it's horribly outdated.
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| 08:13 | <ogra_> well, an update would do as well
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| 08:13 | <zamba> ogra_: for the particular user?
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| 08:14 | <LL01> ** (process:5918): WARNING **: Could not parse config file: Unknown error
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| 08:14 | ** Message: Nothing to do! Bye!
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| 08:14 | nbd-server.
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| 08:14 | <ogra_> i'll see if i manage to do it in june
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| 08:14 | <laga> ogra_: the documentation is in a .pdf actually.
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| 08:14 | ogra_: oh.
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| 08:14 | ogra_: sorry.
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| 08:14 | <LL01> no config file in /etc/nbd-server
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| 08:14 | <ogra_> LL01, do you try to start nbd-server maually ?
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| 08:14 | <laga> ogra_: i thought you were talking about the mythbuntu wiki page. oops.
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| 08:14 | <ogra_> it gets started with commandlineoptions by nbdrootserver
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| 08:14 | laga, nope, the debug env for ltsp page
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| 08:15 | <LL01> I don't know how to manualy start it
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| 08:15 | why ubuntu not create config file?
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| 08:15 | <ogra_> well, it should in no case run in daemon mode and requires no config the way its used in ltsp
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| 08:16 | <LL01> oh
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| 08:16 | <ogra_> because it gets started from nbdrootd
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| 08:16 | which in turn is started from inetd
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| 08:16 | <LL01> oh ok, so I don't care about this error?
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| 08:16 | <Q-FUNK> !g
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| 08:16 | <ogra_> yeah
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| 08:16 | <ltspbot`> Q-FUNK: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:17 | * Gadi waves groggily | |
| 08:17 | <Blinny> LL01: Yeah that's just the error on startup. You can safely ignore that.
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| 08:17 | <Q-FUNK> http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xserver-xorg-video-geode/xserver-xorg-video-geode_2.9.0-1.dsc
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| 08:17 | <LL01> ok, then about no /etc/exports, I don't care to right? no need nfs right?
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| 08:17 | too*
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| 08:18 | <Blinny> LL01: Correct. LTSP5 no longer uses NFS by default.
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| 08:18 | <Gadi> Q-FUNK: kudos - I take it that one detects geode automatically
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| 08:19 | <LL01> ok not I have dhcp server failed
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| 08:19 | <Q-FUNK> Gadi: that has to do with X core
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| 08:20 | <LL01> why with apt-get it's failed? default dhcpd.conf it's for 192.168.0/24 ?
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| 08:21 | <LL01> my lan it's 192.168.100/24
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| 08:21 | <Blinny> LL01: Installs can't automagically do everything. You need to configure /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 08:22 | <LL01> ok ok let vim it :)
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| 08:22 | <Blinny> LL01: (if you're doing -standalone)
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| 08:22 | <LL01> I did -standalone
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| 08:24 | <Q-FUNK> Gadi: what geode 2.9.0 does is skip the BIOS and directly probe the DDC pins.
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| 08:24 | <Gadi> ah
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| 08:24 | <Q-FUNK> Gadi: to get configless X working solely on PCI ID matching, we need a patched X server core.
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| 08:24 | which is already in hardy-proposed
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| 08:25 | <ogra_> !ubuntu
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| 08:25 | <ltspbot`> ogra_: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 08:25 | <ogra_> LL01, ^^^^^^^
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| 08:25 | <Gadi> great! by the time I am ready, we'll be on intrepid
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| 08:25 | :)
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| 08:25 | <ogra_> read the second link
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| 08:25 | you should configure a static interface *before* installing ltsp and runing the script
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| 08:26 | else there is a bunch of conifg you need to change, you need to update the ssh keys and rebuild the image
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| 08:26 | <Q-FUNK> Gadi: it's already in intrepid
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| 08:26 | <ogra_> the ltsp-build-client script can only do everything out of the box for you if the IP is set beforehand
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| 08:26 | <LL01> yes I create static one
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| 08:27 | but not during installation
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| 08:27 | how can you put static ip during ubuntu installation?
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| 08:27 | <ogra_> Q-FUNK, Gadi ...
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| 08:27 | xserver-xorg-video-geode_2.9.0-1ubuntu1.diff.gz: done.
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| 08:27 | xserver-xorg-video-geode_2.9.0-1ubuntu1_source.changes: done.
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| 08:27 | Successfully uploaded packages.
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| 08:27 | ^^^^ hardy-proposed
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| 08:28 | <Q-FUNK> :D
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| 08:28 | <ogra_> LL01, ah, well, if you only have one interface or want to use a different IP after running ltsp-build-client you need to adjust dhcpd.conf, run ltsp-update-sshkeys and ltsp-update-image anyway
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| 08:29 | LL01, if you use the alternate CD on a two NIC machine you dont need to do anything beyond selecting ltsp at the bootscreen of the CD
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| 08:29 | <LL01> I need to adjust dhcpd and get it running before run ltsp-build-client?
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| 08:29 | <ogra_> no, you need to make the file match your static interface
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| 08:30 | /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to be precise
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| 08:30 | <LL01> oh
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| 08:30 | So i need to adjust this one, 1st?
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| 08:31 | I don't care about the /etc/dhcp3/dhcp.conf so?
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| 08:31 | <ogra_> but since ltsp-build-client only generates the ssh keys during installaion the IP might not match, so you need to recreate the ssh keys as well and rebuild the image with the commands i gave above
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| 08:31 | right, /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf is ignored if /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf exiasts
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| 08:32 | <LL01> heu about 2nic? why it's more easy?
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| 08:32 | <ogra_> yes
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| 08:32 | see the wikipae
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| 08:32 | you only need to select ltsp at the CD bootscreen, everything will be set up out of the box after install
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| 08:32 | no need to configure anything
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| 08:33 | <zamba> ogra_: you mean a sleep between the launching of devilspie and firefox?
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| 08:35 | <ogra_> yeah, something like that
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| 08:36 | zamba, or put a wallpaper in place and write "wiggle your mouse" on it as workaround :)
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| 08:36 | * ogra_ is indeed kidding | |
| 08:36 | <zamba> ogra_: hahaha
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| 08:36 | i'm definitely going to consider that :D
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| 08:37 | <ogra_> heh
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| 08:38 | <zamba> "as a way to introduce exercise in the daily rutine of all our co-workers, we require you to wiggle your mouse for a few seconds before starting your session" :)
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| 08:42 | <LL01> ok let's try with 2nics
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| 08:42 | in vmware
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| 08:42 | :)
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| 08:42 | <LL01> I don't care even if there is an dhcp server on the lan?
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| 08:43 | with 2nics I don't care to put static ip?
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| 08:44 | <zamba> ogra: tried that, no change
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| 08:45 | devilspie &
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| 08:45 | sleep 1 &
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| 08:45 | /usr/bin/firefox
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| 08:45 | <ogra> well, was a shot in the dak
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| 08:45 | no
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| 08:45 | <zamba> maybe sleep some more?
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| 08:45 | <ogra> drop the &
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| 08:45 | <zamba> but all the other stuff has '&'?
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| 08:45 | <ogra> that will just do nothing otherwise :)
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| 08:45 | <zamba> so:
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| 08:45 | <ogra> & backgreounds startup of apps
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| 08:45 | <zamba> ah, of course
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| 08:46 | damn, i knew that :)
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| 08:46 | <ogra> with sleep that becomes a no-op
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| 08:46 | <zamba> sleeping in the background wouldn't do much good :)
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| 08:46 | <ogra> :)
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| 08:46 | <zamba> kind of like me in meetings
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| 08:49 | <LL01> should I put get 2 nics bridged?
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| 08:49 | or 1 bridged and 1 host-only?
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| 08:50 | <alkisg> ogra, has anyone managed to see localized text in ldm in Ubuntu hardy? I think there's a bug somewhere, maybe bindtextdomain() isn't called?
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| 08:51 | <ogra> alkisg, there is no gettext support in the hardy ldm yet
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| 08:51 | i'm trying to put that into 8.04.1 and sync from debian in time
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| 08:51 | <ogra> so your bug at debian you created is fine, it will land eventually in hardy
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| 08:53 | <alkisg> ogra, when I set the TEXTDOMAIN environment variable I *do* see something changing: no text at all! :)
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| 08:53 | <ogra> yeah
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| 08:53 | <alkisg> But anyway, if you're aware of it, I just have to wait! :)
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| 08:54 | <ogra> right, just pushing it to debian is the best, it will come in with the sync
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| 08:54 | there are a lot fixes going into 8.04.1
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| 08:54 | <alkisg> ogra, did you have time to see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LDMEnhancements? Tell me if I'm to go ahead and implement it.
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| 08:54 | <ogra> sorry, no, its the first 30min i have time to do non conference work this week atm
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| 08:55 | <alkisg> OK, thanks for your time!
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| 08:55 | <LL01> are you ltsp devs? or contributeurs
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| 09:07 | ogra, does LTSPManager use for LTSP5?
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| 09:31 | <zamba> ogra: ok, tried again.. didn't do any difference
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| 09:32 | (the sleep thingy in .xsession)
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| 09:32 | any other ideas?
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| 09:32 | <zamba> the problem didn't exist until i added flashblock, ubuntu-restricted-extras, mozplugger and evince
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| 09:32 | i got the problem after that
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| 10:06 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: how long does it take before the buildd catches the upload?
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| 10:15 | <LL01> really nothing to do with ubuntu 8.04 and 2 nics
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| 10:15 | ltsp works
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| 10:15 | <Egyptian[Home]> hi all .. i m going to be installing opensuse on my laptop but was wondering if i coudl go with 11 beta? and when the final is out . will i have to do an upgrade and again or will it merely be /etc/*release replacement?
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| 10:16 | <LL01> except if I run more than 1 client, the second one boot but still on busybox
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| 10:16 | <laga> Egyptian[Home]: this is the LTSP channel. not the opensuse channel :)
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| 10:17 | <Egyptian[Home]> laga: woops ..ehhe .. scuse me
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| 10:17 | in that case the question was .. is ltsp 5 available for opensuse?
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| 10:21 | <LL01> why some clients are on busybox and some are with ldm?
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| 10:22 | <Blinny> So 8.04 uses FF3b5 which is supposed to be much nicer on RAM usage. However, Thunderbird, when displaying emails with lots or large images, will still crash the XServer. Is there a XRAMPERC feature in 8.04 that I can use to prevent Thunderbird from locking the whole thin client?
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| 10:23 | <LL01> on busybox one, I saw ubuntu splash boot screen
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| 10:34 | <Blinny> Hola jammcq: I have a reproducible crash using an LTSP1225 box and Hardy 8.04 - loading an email with 2.5MB of picture attachments into Thunderbird w/ preview pane locks everything, full stop.
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| 10:59 | <Q-FUNK> nantes_geek: you really have THE killer domain name
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| 11:26 | <nantes_geek> Q-FUNK: :)
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| 11:47 | <gbolte> awww
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| 11:47 | ogra was here
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| 12:35 | <Blinny> Jesus
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| 12:48 | <prpplague> jammcq: ping
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| 12:55 | <gbolte> yes Blinny
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| 12:56 | <Blinny> gbolte: Save me Jebus! I always believed in you!
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| 12:57 | <jammcq> prpplague: hey
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| 12:57 | wassup?
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| 12:58 | <gbolte> :P
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| 12:58 | <jebus> awwww
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| 12:58 | -NickServ- This nickname is owned by someone else
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| 12:58 | -NickServ- If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>
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| 12:58 | haha
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| 12:58 | <prpplague> jammcq: hey, was just checking to see if you were going to be at LWE in SF this august
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| 12:59 | <jammcq> prpplague: nope. didn't even know they were still doing Linuxworlds
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| 12:59 | <prpplague> jammcq: ahh ok
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| 12:59 | <jammcq> you going?
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| 12:59 | <prpplague> jammcq: looks like TInCanTools is going to have a booth and pay for me to go
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| 12:59 | <jammcq> oooh, nice
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| 13:00 | <gbolte> whats lwe?
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| 13:00 | <jammcq> linux world and expo
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| 13:00 | <gbolte> ooooooh
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| 13:00 | <jammcq> in san fran, sometime around early august
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| 13:00 | <gbolte> I wanna go
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| 13:00 | :(
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| 13:00 | <dyn> jammcq: what are the dates for that?
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| 13:01 | <prpplague> 4th thru 7th iirc
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| 13:01 | jammcq: oh well, thought i'd check
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| 13:01 | jammcq: any other conferences on your list?
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| 13:02 | <jammcq> were' having our own LTSP hackfest in portland July 24-28
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| 13:02 | tail end of OSCON
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| 13:02 | and I'll be heading back to Brazil next spring for FISL
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| 13:04 | <japerry> jammcq: I'll be there
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| 13:05 | <jammcq> japerry: where?
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| 13:05 | <japerry> there is a code sprint in portland the weekend before
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| 13:05 | <jammcq> ah, cool
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| 13:05 | <japerry> jammcq: OSCON -- representing my company and linuxfest northwest
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| 13:05 | <jammcq> cool
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| 13:05 | <japerry> where are you holding the hackfest? by then we should have some good test cases for LTSP in SuSE
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| 13:06 | <prpplague> jammcq: atleast i'll get to go to the thirsty bear again
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| 13:06 | <jammcq> japerry: at Freegeek
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| 13:07 | <japerry> jammcq: cool, I tihnk thats where the code sprint will be.. or PSU
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| 13:08 | I'm going to be in portland from the 19th to 26th.. some friends of mine are getting married on the 27th in bham. but it'd be good to hack with ya guys
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| 13:08 | <jammcq> sure, you are definately welcome
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| 13:09 | most of us are arriving on the 24th, with organized hacking starting on the 25th
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| 13:09 | <japerry> gbolte and I have been working on integrating openSuse 11 / KIWI-LTSP5 / novell together
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| 13:09 | heh I should get you guys for linuxfest next year ;-)
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| 13:10 | <jammcq> I did linuxfest a couple years ago. it was pretty cool. lately, I don't travel so much
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| 13:10 | I think eHarrison has been to a couple of them
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| 13:10 | <japerry> yah there was a large LTSP group a few years back.. its what got me interested in doing LTSP in the workplace
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| 13:10 | yup
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| 13:11 | <prpplague> jammcq: i still think some sort of ltsp device based on the hammer would be pretty cool
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| 13:12 | <jammcq> you really like those oddball processors, eh?
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| 13:13 | <prpplague> jammcq: hehe arm is far from oddball, besides it pays the bills
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| 13:14 | <Blinny> Oh good lord.
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| 13:14 | Now my server's load is up to 8.4
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| 13:15 | 8.6 with 97.6% CPU in the idle state
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| 13:16 | <dyn> Blinny: check out disk access... that'll bump up you load a lot
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| 13:23 | <Blinny> Yeah. I'm beginning to think that a modern Linux desktop and a diskless environment are divergent ideas.
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| 13:25 | <gbolte> Blinny, whats your IO wait avg
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| 13:25 | <Blinny> gbolte: mpstat reports .10%
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| 13:26 | (note the .)
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| 13:26 | This is no quick load spike either.. the 15-minute average is 8.53
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| 13:26 | <prpplague> jammcq: not attending any other dev conferences?
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| 13:26 | <gbolte> Cpu(s): 5.1%us, 0.1%sy, 0.0%ni, 94.8%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st
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| 13:26 | <jammcq> nope
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| 13:27 | <gbolte> thats what top gives
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| 13:27 | I havent used mpstat
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| 13:28 | <Blinny> gbolte: Well then 'wa' is .1% (note the .)
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| 13:28 | <gbolte> hmm
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| 13:28 | what is causing your load to go so high then
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| 13:28 | <Blinny> This is an 8-proc server w/ 8GB RAM. I am running i386 -server though.
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| 13:28 | Good question :P
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| 13:28 | <gbolte> hmm
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| 13:28 | we have a system identical to that
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| 13:28 | <Blinny> Not swapping.
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| 13:29 | Are you amd64 or i386?
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| 13:29 | <gbolte> i586
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| 13:29 | <Blinny> Right.
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| 13:29 | I'm on Ubuntu 8.04
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| 13:29 | <gbolte> the system that we have that is like yours is sles
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| 13:29 | <prpplague> jammcq: hehe, i remember when you were attending 2 or 3 a month
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| 13:29 | <Blinny> Just upgraded from an FC6 box w/ half the CPU cores that did the same amount of work at between .1 and .25 load.
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| 13:30 | <prpplague> (or atleast it seemed that many)
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| 13:30 | <gbolte> er sled
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| 13:30 | rather
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| 13:30 | <Blinny> Ahhh, good times.
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| 13:31 | <gbolte> top - 11:30:58 up 14 days, 17:41, 25 users, load average: 2.11, 2.14, 1.69
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| 13:31 | :)
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| 13:32 | seeing 25 users makes me smile
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| 13:32 | :P
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| 13:32 | <Blinny> I only have 13.
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| 13:32 | Apparently mine are slightly more ... ambitious (;
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| 13:33 | <gbolte> haha
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| 13:33 | maybe
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| 13:33 | Cpu(s): 15.4%us, 8.5%sy, 0.0%ni, 76.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.1%si, 0.0%st
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| 13:33 | we stay pretty low cpu usage
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| 13:34 | what apps do your users run
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| 13:34 | <Blinny> firefox/thunderbird is it so far
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| 13:34 | !ubuntu
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| 13:34 | <ltspbot`> Blinny: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 13:35 | <gbolte> hmm yeah our users use firefox evolution and open office for the most part
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| 13:35 | and some specialized software for chemistry
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| 13:35 | <Blinny> Ah. Alternate CD
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| 13:36 | <gbolte> Blinny, what is the clock speed on your 8 way
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| 13:37 | <Blinny> 2.66 xeons w/ 6mb on-die cache each proc
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| 13:37 | (2xquad core)
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| 13:37 | <gbolte> almost the same as ours
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| 13:37 | our 8 way is 3Ghz
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| 13:37 | <Blinny> scsi raid - should be a screamer
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| 13:37 | <gbolte> we just have sata
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| 13:37 | <Blinny> Ahh. Now a mysqldump took it up to 9.36 .. wonder if I can top 10.
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| 13:38 | <gbolte> lol
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| 13:38 | wait you are running a DB on there?
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| 13:39 | <Blinny> This thing serves a lot of purposes.
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| 13:39 | <gbolte> oh that may have a lot to do with it
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| 13:39 | haha
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| 13:39 | ours just dose what it dose
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| 13:39 | nothing else
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| 13:39 | <Blinny> No way. The FC6 box with only 2x2cores at the same speed/ram handled it all without blinking.
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| 13:40 | <gbolte> hmm
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| 13:40 | interesting
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| 13:40 | <Blinny> Not really.
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| 13:40 | More like frustrating.
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| 13:40 | <gbolte> well maybe the services were configured differently in FV
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| 13:40 | er
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| 13:40 | FC
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| 13:40 | <X0d_of_N0d> perhaps your bandwidth is limited
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| 13:40 | <Blinny> They were older packages, but they did the same thing.
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| 13:40 | X0d_of_N0d: bandwidth to... ?
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| 13:41 | <X0d_of_N0d> is s/limited/the limit/
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| 13:41 | Blinny: you're running a bunch of stuff on one box, how many nics do you have?
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| 13:41 | Blinny: how much bandwidth is being used (just jumped into the coversation... excuse me if I missed something)
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| 13:41 | <Blinny> X0d_of_N0d: Four gig nics.
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| 13:41 | X0d_of_N0d: maybe 1.5MBit/sec
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| 13:42 | that's aggregated too. :P
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| 13:42 | so, perhaps 1/1000 of its capabilities
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| 13:42 | <X0d_of_N0d> hum
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| 13:43 | <Blinny> I think I'll try to upgrade to amd64. If that doesn't work I'm gonna turn on Dell and their stupid new PERC6 controller for which I had to custom-compile a kernel module.
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| 13:43 | <gbolte> I bet the ubuntu packages are bult differently than the fc packages
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| 13:43 | <Blinny> gbolte: Necessarily.
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| 13:44 | <X0d_of_N0d> Blinny: what's your hardware again?
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| 13:46 | <Blinny> X0d_of_N0d: Dell PowerEdge 2xquad core 2.66ghz XEONs, 8GB ECC, 7 SCSI drives, 2 RAID1 for /, 5 RAID 5 for /var, /home, /usr, /tmp and swap
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| 13:46 | <Blinny> The RAM speed is 1.5ns :P
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| 13:47 | I was peeing my pants when I ordered this thing. Unfortunately the practical application has failed to live up to the hype.
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| 13:47 | <X0d_of_N0d> what's bogging down?
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| 13:47 | <Blinny> Nothing, that I can tell.
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| 13:48 | Maybe just a faulty load average.
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| 13:48 | <X0d_of_N0d> hum.... so what's the problem?
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| 13:48 | what's your load?
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| 13:49 | <Blinny> Frequent crashes/lockups, sluggish redraws, -- 15-minute load is now at 8.17
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| 13:49 | I know you should divide by the # of CPUs you have but that's still unreasonably high for what this machine does.
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| 13:49 | <X0d_of_N0d> what does top say?
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| 13:50 | <alkisg> Hi, I've experienced many times a weird delay while logging in on some ltsp clients, and traced down to this: when a client tries to ssh the server, if avahi-daemon is running, it takes 5 seconds for an answer. If I stop avahi, ssh answers immediately. If I put the client name in /etc/hosts, e.g. 192.168.0.201 ltsp201, even if avahi is running, there's no delay. With wireshark I saw that avahi sends some mdns packets and waits for a reply. Is this no
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| 13:50 | <Blinny> X0d_of_N0d: What are you asking for, specifically?
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| 13:50 | <X0d_of_N0d> I disabled avahi
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| 13:51 | <Blinny> alkisg: Yeh your server is probably trying to resolve your IP to a name, hence the delay.
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| 13:51 | <X0d_of_N0d> like, when you look at top, does it show what processes are bogging you down?
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| 13:51 | <alkisg> Blinny, why should it do this? Even from console (on ltsp), if I do "ssh ip-of-the-server", why should it look for a name?
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| 13:51 | <Blinny> X0d_of_N0d: Nothing is over 2% CPU
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| 13:52 | <X0d_of_N0d> how are you seeing the load?
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| 13:52 | are there any zombies or anything?
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| 13:52 | <Blinny> There is a defunct named process laying around.
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| 13:53 | <alkisg> Would there be any problems if I disable avahi? Just an ltsp lab, no other linux or windows clients around...
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| 13:53 | <X0d_of_N0d> that's probabbly not it, but it wouldn't hurt to try to kill that
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| 13:53 | I created a custom ubuntu desktop package that doesn't install avahi
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| 13:53 | you can also just disable it in etc...
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| 13:53 | <johnny> i'm trying to use avahi.. if i run into that problem, i'll try to fix it properly
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| 13:54 | <alkisg> X0d_of_N0d: did you have any problems so far?
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| 13:54 | <Blinny> X0d_of_N0d: Did you start from 8.04?
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| 13:54 | <X0d_of_N0d> no
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| 13:54 | Avahi is totally unnecessary...
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| 13:54 | We did use 8.04 for a while, but there's some dbus issue
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| 13:54 | <alkisg> johnny, maybe you should also disable any dns servers on your network to see the problem.
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| 13:54 | <johnny> why would i do that, i use dns for the hostname resolution :)
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| 13:55 | and for autologin
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| 13:55 | <alkisg> johnny, well, in small labs there's no dns, and there's the problem!
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| 13:55 | <johnny> without messing with mac addresses
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| 13:55 | use dnsmasq ;)
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| 13:55 | <Blinny> X0d_of_N0d: the defunct named process isn't under any trees so I'm not sure I can kill it.
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| 13:55 | <johnny> make it talk to your upstream dns servers
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| 13:55 | that's what i did
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| 13:55 | <X0d_of_N0d> dns is so easy to set up....
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| 13:56 | <alkisg> johnny, only the router, but it doesn't do reverse dns (what is ip => name called anyway)
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| 13:56 | <johnny> that's not that important for me i guess
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| 13:56 | <X0d_of_N0d> doesn't hurt to try
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| 13:56 | <Blinny> X0d_of_N0d: It ain't dying.
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| 13:56 | <johnny> dnsmasq is a nice component for an ltsp system
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| 13:57 | <X0d_of_N0d> Blinny: have you looked at dstat or anything?
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| 13:57 | <alkisg> I'm using my laptop as a server, and I go to different labs, so I don't know if there will be a dns server there, I think I'll get into trouble if I set one of my own!
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| 13:57 | <X0d_of_N0d> Blinny: then it's already dead
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| 13:57 | <Blinny> X0d_of_N0d: Yeah dstat is mostly clean too
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| 13:57 | <X0d_of_N0d> Blinny: it'll get reaped eventually
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| 13:57 | <johnny> it can just be the dns server of your clients
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| 13:57 | <Blinny> paging is at 0 0
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| 13:57 | <johnny> for*
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| 13:57 | <X0d_of_N0d> Blinny: mostly?
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| 13:57 | <johnny> if they are all connected to you
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| 13:57 | <Blinny> disk reading & writing is < 200k
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| 13:57 | cpu idle is 99%
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| 13:58 | What is the 'int' and 'csw' under the system column?
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| 13:58 | <alkisg> johnny, imagine that I go to a lab with 12 PCs. 10 of them become ltsp clients. The other two are: 1 windows 2000 server with dns services, and a windows 2000 client. Will dnsmasq work OK? (everything on the same switch)
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| 13:58 | <Blinny> Ah. Interrupts. Varying between 350 and 1200
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| 13:58 | <X0d_of_N0d> wait, What????
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| 13:58 | <X0d_of_N0d> oh, sorry... misread
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| 13:59 | <Blinny> usr sys idl wai hiq siq| read writ| recv send| in out | int csw
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| 13:59 | 1 0 99 0 0 0| 209k 104k| 0 0 | 1.2B 2.2B| 638 5915
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| 13:59 | <johnny> alkisg, you could just set dhcpport in your pxelinux.cfg/default file, if you wanted to stay seperate
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| 13:59 | that they way only touch yours
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| 13:59 | <X0d_of_N0d> hum...
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| 13:59 | <Blinny> 'Context switches'
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| 14:00 | <johnny> so anybody who pxe boots on the subnet talks to you instead
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| 14:00 | <Blinny> So in that 1 second I had 5915 context switches.
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| 14:00 | <X0d_of_N0d> how many clients are attached to your system?
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| 14:00 | <alkisg> johnny, no problem with dhcp, I can handle it! :) Thanks, I'll try dnsmasq!
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| 14:01 | <Blinny> X0d_of_N0d: 13, currently
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| 14:01 | Wait. 10 now.
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| 14:01 | <X0d_of_N0d> what else are you running?
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| 14:01 | are you doing any virtualization??
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| 14:01 | <johnny> alkisg, it also includes it's own tftp server
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| 14:01 | <Blinny> X0d_of_N0d: postfix, apache, mysqld, dspam, bind -- no, no virtualization
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| 14:02 | <johnny> with only like 2 lines of config
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| 14:02 | <X0d_of_N0d> hum....
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| 14:02 | Our server is going as high as 37k oc context switches
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| 14:02 | <X0d_of_N0d> load is 1.2 and it's slower than your box
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| 14:02 | 2x2gz dual core
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| 14:03 | 16gb of ram
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| 14:03 | <Blinny> X0d_of_N0d: The important thing is that this is a new upgrade from Fedora Core 6 (K12LTSP) and that server only had dual core dual processors; same cpu speed, and slightly slower ram. That server didn't blink for the year and a half it did all this - consistently load avg=.10 or .25
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| 14:03 | X0d_of_N0d: i386 or amd64 ?
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| 14:03 | <X0d_of_N0d> amd64 kernel, but 32 bit userspace inside a vserver
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| 14:03 | <alkisg> johnny, should I disable tftpd and enable dnsmasq tftp daemon? Is it better this way? Or you say that for less resources?
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| 14:04 | <Blinny> Right on. That's an interesting way to do it.
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| 14:04 | <X0d_of_N0d> but our new server will be strait i368
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| 14:04 | <johnny> alkisg, if you're already have a setup working, then you dont need to change it.. i doubt the resource usage matters
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| 14:04 | <X0d_of_N0d> well we were using that server for a bunch of other stuff
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| 14:04 | <johnny> but for new setups, it is quite nice
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| 14:04 | i imagine distros will use dnsmasq by default in the future
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| 14:04 | <X0d_of_N0d> we decided to seperate everythign out, so we got our new server...
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| 14:04 | <Blinny> X0d_of_N0d: Well until I sort this out, I certainly can't suggest an i386 8.04 with lots of RAM.
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| 14:05 | <alkisg> johnny, I have all summer to experiment on my laptop, so if you think it's better, I'll switch to dnsmasq as an tftp daemon.
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| 14:05 | <kbon> Hi there! I've got a question, I'm running ltsp 4.2 on a debian machine, unfortunately my OS got screwed up while up/downgrading releases and packages, but in the meanwhile my ltsp is still online (thank god). I'm planning to reinstall it with a nice fresh Ubuntu, but to keep the clients happy I'd like to transfer ltsp to a brand new CentOS server. Problem: didn't find any binaries. Anyone got experience running ltsp on centos?
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| 14:05 | <X0d_of_N0d> We tried it and didn't really have any problems..........except for dbus crashing randomly
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| 14:05 | everything else was fine
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| 14:05 | ...which is why we're going with gutsy
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| 14:06 | <Blinny> X0d_of_N0d: bonobo-activation-server crashes a lot for us. Also the resource requirements are significantly higher on the client side, even with LDM_DIRECTX=true
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| 14:06 | <johnny> kbon, ltsp is distro based in ltsp5, so you'll use your distro's packages, fedora/rhel/centos
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| 14:07 | <johnny> but it is not finished yet for those distros, still lots of work to be done
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| 14:07 | <Blinny> kbon: K12LTSP has a nice released based on CentOS5 but I believe it's still using LTSP 4.2
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| 14:07 | <kbon> are fedora packages compatible enough? I know rhel is bit compatible with centos, but is fedora too?
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| 14:07 | <X0d_of_N0d> Our boss didn't really understand the idea of thinclients, so our clients are more than we'd ever need
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| 14:07 | <johnny> it's not complete
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| 14:07 | kbon, you'd have better luck just going to ubuntu/debian atm
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| 14:07 | if you want stuff to just work
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| 14:07 | <kbon> Blinny: really? That would be great :)
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| 14:07 | <johnny> and you want ltsp5
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| 14:07 | <Blinny> X0d_of_N0d: On the FC6 machine we had Pentiums at 233MHz and 32MB that ran spiffy.
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| 14:07 | <kbon> yeah I want ltsp5, but I don't want downtime for the terminals :)
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| 14:08 | <gbolte> X0d_of_N0d, same here but thats just because "thin client" pcs are more expensive than what we have
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| 14:08 | lol
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| 14:08 | <johnny> kbon, then make a new box
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| 14:08 | <gbolte> X0d_of_N0d, what kinda clients are you using
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| 14:09 | <kbon> why would I, I've got 2 decent servers, just running 2 OS'ses of which one desperately needs a clean system :)
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| 14:09 | <X0d_of_N0d> gbolte: mostly core2 duo's with a gig of ram...
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| 14:09 | <gbolte> ah
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| 14:09 | yeah
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| 14:09 | <X0d_of_N0d> gbolte: NOT my idea
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| 14:09 | <gbolte> heh we have some monster end boxes too
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| 14:09 | <kbon> then again... johnny.. I could just port my existing broken server to other (slower) hardware, just to catch the downtime
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| 14:10 | <X0d_of_N0d> gbolte: initially they were going to be thick clients (even though early on I had suggested testing thin clients)... whatever
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| 14:10 | <johnny> yeah..
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| 14:10 | <gbolte> thought about setting up distributed computing to use their idle processors
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| 14:10 | <X0d_of_N0d> gbolte: oh yeah?
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| 14:10 | <johnny> you guys can give me some
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| 14:10 | i could use em
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| 14:10 | :)
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| 14:10 | <X0d_of_N0d> gbolte: yeah, we had the same idea
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| 14:10 | <gbolte> distributed ltsp
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| 14:10 | :P
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| 14:10 | that would be cool
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| 14:10 | <kbon> didn't anyone do that already?
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| 14:10 | <X0d_of_N0d> gbolte: we should be able to just drop the mosix kernel on the thin clients and call it good
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| 14:11 | <gbolte> indeed
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| 14:11 | <X0d_of_N0d> gbolte: yeah, just need centralized file storage and you're good
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| 14:11 | <gbolte> we have that already
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| 14:11 | <johnny> uhmm.. i thought mosix died on 2.4
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| 14:11 | did they port it to 2.6?
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| 14:11 | <X0d_of_N0d> johnny: I havn't really been keeping track
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| 14:11 | <johnny> afaik they haven't
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| 14:11 | <gbolte> The openMosix Project has officially closed as of March 1, 2008.
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| 14:12 | http://openmosix.sourceforge.net/
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| 14:12 | <johnny> you can't use openmosix with ltsp5
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| 14:12 | sinc most distros rely on sysfs
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| 14:12 | and udev
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| 14:12 | which is 2.6 only
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| 14:12 | people around here have been looking for mosix style clustering, with no answers
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| 14:12 | <X0d_of_N0d> gbolte: whatever, are there any other cluster kernels out there anymore?
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| 14:13 | <Blinny> Beowulf is more on-demand than real-time.
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| 14:13 | <gbolte> X0d_of_N0d, not sure
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| 14:14 | <X0d_of_N0d> Beowulf is a *little* different. It's not ha, but hp(?)
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| 14:14 | <kbon> oh, just virtualise openmosix on your ltsp terminals... not really an option, or is it? :D
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| 14:14 | <gbolte> http://www.mosix.org/txt_grid.html
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| 14:14 | MOSIX version 2 (MOSIX2) for Linux-2.6 can manage a Linux cluster and a multi-cluster organizational grid.
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| 14:15 | <johnny> aha.. neat
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| 14:15 | <X0d_of_N0d> kbon: you could, but it would be a HUGE waste
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| 14:15 | <kbon> X0d_of_N0d: I know, just kidding
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| 14:15 | <X0d_of_N0d> kbon: hehe
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| 14:16 | <X0d_of_N0d> Blinny: you've already deployed this problem box?
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| 14:17 | * X0d_of_N0d brb | |
| 14:17 | <Blinny> X0d_of_N0d: Yup. Of course it didn't start shitting the bed until after it was in-place and serving fools.
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| 14:18 | <Blinny> Hrm. Looks like gnome-power-manager does (almost) everything that apcupsd used to handle.
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| 14:18 | <johnny> yeah.. they are doing great work there
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| 14:20 | <gbolte> http://www.mosix.com.au/prices.html
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| 14:20 | lol
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| 14:20 | $1000 for the first 10 nodes (computers) + $50 for each additional node
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| 14:21 | on second thought we dont need a cluster that bad
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| 14:21 | :P
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| 14:21 | <Blinny> johnny: Do you know if notifications of power loss are in the scope?
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| 14:22 | <johnny> Blinny, it's possible, i know it does it for going on and off battery..
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| 14:22 | on a laptop
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| 14:22 | so.. theoretically it could/should
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| 14:22 | but i've never had a ups to verify
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| 14:22 | <Blinny> Right on. And by notifications I mean script running or the like - (to inform me via celly text or some such)
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| 14:22 | <johnny> i'd be alot more helpful if i had more hardware :)
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| 14:22 | <Blinny> heh
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| 14:23 | I've got an older Smart-UPS around here with a dead battery. Want it?
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| 14:23 | ...at least, I think it's a smart
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| 14:24 | <johnny> a dead battery won't be helpful :(
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| 14:24 | damn batteries aren't cheap either
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| 14:24 | iirc
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| 14:24 | <Blinny> No, they're not.
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| 14:24 | <X0d_of_N0d> Blinny: Best of luck man, I've got to get back to work... the only think I can think of is to maybe try with a different distro or version
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| 14:25 | <Blinny> X0d_of_N0d: Yup. Thanks.
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| 14:56 | <Ala1> Hello All, I need assistance with getting a dual-head (two ati cards) thin client working. I have been able to get a desktop on each monitor, but I want to use both monitors as one desktop. I know it is possible as I had it working under Dapper. I upgraded to Hardy and now it doesn't.
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| 15:15 | <alkisg> johnny, I'm trying dnsmasq, but I get "failed to create listening socket: Address already in use". I've disabled dhcp3-server and tftp, what other port is dnsmasq trying to use?
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| 15:16 | <johnny> uhmm.. dns?
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| 15:16 | netstat -ltpn
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| 15:16 | <alkisg> No dns!!!
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| 15:16 | ports: 22, 80, 631, 2000, 3306, 5800, 5900 ...
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| 15:17 | I saw something about bind? on the internet...
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| 15:18 | <alkisg> Actually, it says "socket", not "port"... Are they different?
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| 15:18 | <Alan1> johnny when you are free, do you know anything about dual-head terminals?
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| 15:18 | <johnny> Alan1, no
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| 15:18 | otherwise i would have answered
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| 15:18 | you should stick around, it's not a common configuration
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| 15:18 | somebody might be able to answer later
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| 15:20 | <alkisg> johnny, when I don't give the "enable-tftp" parameter, it starts without warnings. But I have tftp disabled!
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| 15:20 | (I mean tftp-hpa)
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| 15:22 | <johnny> alkisg, it's via inetd
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| 15:22 | do you have a tftp line in /etc/inetd.conf
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| 15:22 | <alkisg> I disabled it with the System>Services Ubuntu menu. Can I see if it's running now?
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| 15:22 | ps aux|grep ftp returns nothing
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| 15:23 | <johnny> did you do what i said
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| 15:23 | look in /etc/inetd.conf
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| 15:23 | <alkisg> there is a tftp line there.
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| 15:23 | <johnny> and restart your openbsd-inetd
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| 15:23 | <Alan1> it won't be in ps as it only runs when Inetd starts it
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| 15:24 | <alkisg> OK, I'll remove it, I thought I could do it from the services gui. Thanks.
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| 15:24 | <rjune> and most distributions use xinetd anymore.
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| 15:24 | <johnny> no.. that's only if it's in /etc/init.d
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| 15:24 | <johnny> rjune, there are distribution problems with that code i've heard
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| 15:24 | i don't know the details tho
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| 15:24 | otherwise ubuntu would be using it
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| 15:24 | * rjune shrugs | |
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| 15:27 | <Alan1> xinetd has lots of cool features, but its not backwards compatible. not a good idea if you are trying to replace something.
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| 15:27 | <johnny> it's not hard to port tho.
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| 15:27 | scriptable even
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| 15:29 | <Alan1> I like it, just making a point....
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| 15:30 | <Alan1> btw johnny, got sound to work on most of my thin clients
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| 15:31 | had to put a sound card in the server.....rebooted clients...BOOM!...sound
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| 15:32 | <gbolte> ...
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| 15:32 | thats strange
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| 15:32 | lol
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| 15:33 | <Alan1> I just wanted sound...so a long as it worked...I'm happy
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| 15:33 | <gbolte> heh
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| 15:33 | yeah
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| 15:33 | its just strange that you had to do that
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| 15:34 | <Alan1> I get the dual head problem licked and I should be set
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| 15:34 | <gbolte> whats that problem
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| 15:34 | <Alan1> two ati rage cards...I can get 2 desktops, but on one desktop across 2 monitors
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| 15:35 | I can post my lts.conf
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| 15:36 | <johnny> you prolly have to provide a custom xorg.conf
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| 15:36 | via X_CONF
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| 15:36 | <Alan1> like X_CONF = /path/to/some.conf?
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| 15:36 | <gbolte> we have never tried 2 monitors
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| 15:37 | <Alan1> I got the idea from when I worked at MasterCard
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| 15:37 | <Alan1> they use Sun Terminals and somehow daisy chain two to make one desktop
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| 15:38 | <gbolte> weird
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| 15:38 | <Alan1> one term has mouse keybrd monitor...other just monitor
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| 15:38 | <Q-FUNK> warren: ping
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| 15:38 | <Alan1> works great...and looks good, if you are into CDE
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| 15:39 | <alkisg> johnny, thanks for the dnsmasq tip, it has everything (dns/dhcp/tftp) and even works with nic aliases, I think it'll solve many of my problems.
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| 15:41 | <gbolte> Alan1, what is the second terminal good for if it has no input devices?
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| 15:43 | <Alan1> I 'think' they used the network protocol that allowed you to use the mouse and keyboard from another machine. I don't remember what it was called.
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| 15:44 | It appeared to only be used for its monitor
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| 15:44 | <gbolte> oh
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| 15:46 | <Alan1> Anyway..it was nice to have a huge desktop. So I wanted to reproduce it.
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| 15:48 | <gbolte> ah
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| 15:48 | yes
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| 15:55 | <Alan1> can someone point me to a good (read simple) xrandr howto...I assume thats what xorg uses for spanning monitors
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| 15:58 | <autodita1> hi. is anyone successfully running ltsp thin clients with compiz and direct rendering enabled?
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| 16:00 | i have a thin client with an nvidia gpu and can seem to get anything above 10 fps and "direct rendering: No" from glxinfo.
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| 16:01 | <alkisg> Alan1, with nvidia there's nvidia-settings, I'm using 2 monitors on my server
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| 16:01 | autodita1, I *think* you have to install the proprietary nvidia drivers on the chroot.
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| 16:01 | <autodita1> alkisg: i am already using them.
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| 16:02 | <Alan1> alkisg > using ati rage cards
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| 16:02 | <lns> autodita1, well it doesn't seem like they're being detected properly, thus the "direct rendering: No" from glxinfo
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| 16:02 | I remember hearing that compiz does work over ltsp, though might not be as stable
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| 16:02 | <autodita1> i thought aiglx was supposed to provide direct rendering for remote x clients and the proprietary nvidia driver would provide aiglx?
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| 16:03 | i have compiz running, but it's running awfully slow.
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| 16:03 | * lns isn't sure | |
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| 16:05 | <autodita1> david largo is deploying such a setup for the city of largo, but i guess he isn't in here frequently?
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| 16:05 | david richards.
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| 16:33 | <dx9s_work> yeah
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| 16:33 | sorry for the quick question
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| 16:34 | anybody know of a GUI version of "talk or ytalk" that can be installed into gnome for ltsp?
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| 16:35 | not exactly a normal thing for people to open (and leave open) a terminal so they can possibly get a message to their terminal and chat between two (or more local users on the terminal server)
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| 16:42 | <jammcq> dx9s_work: I setup a jabber server and client for doing that
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| 16:42 | I used ejabberd and pidgin
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| 16:43 | <dx9s_work> jammcq, you think that is the best solution... I mean jabber is overhead and supports between other jabber server (etc...) just interested in a GUI version of talk (and some way to "who" too)
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| 16:45 | <jammcq> I thought alot about that issue, and lots of people kept telling me that I should be using jabber
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| 16:45 | I kept resisting
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| 16:45 | and then, I gave it a try, and it's fantastic
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| 16:45 | I was prepared to write my own messaging system
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| 16:49 | <jammcq> cliebow: hey, you back home now?
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| 16:49 | <cliebow> yeah!!!
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| 16:49 | <jammcq> nice trip?
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| 16:50 | <cliebow> absolutley lovely
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| 16:50 | perfect weather for two weeks
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| 16:50 | <jammcq> cool
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| 16:50 | <cliebow> couldnt have been any more beautiful..
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| 16:51 | the goorse wa all in bloom..and the rape seed fieldsthe most bright yelloe
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| 16:51 | soccer finals in the pubs..
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| 16:51 | <jammcq> all kinds of fun, eh?
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| 16:52 | <cliebow> yeah..for sure..
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| 16:52 | edinburgh is a beautiful city..
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| 16:52 | volcanic cone smack in the middle of the city
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| 16:53 | walked ALL over the place
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| 16:56 | my wife got photos of Scottish flowers Scottish cows Scottish birds..a police box..her coat zipper
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| 16:57 | ohh and and even a castle or two
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| 17:19 | <alkisg> johnny, thanks, I've already switched to dnsmasq. Is there any way to give different hostnames based on ip addresses? E.g. for ip=192.168.0.201 => hostname=ltsp201 ?
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| 17:19 | It would be useful for guest logons, I somehow need to give different hostnames to every pc.
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| 17:20 | Or, in other words, how can I give different host names to 10 PCs without knowing their mac addresses?
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| 17:21 | <warren> Fedora does that automatically, but that's only because I made it do something differently
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| 17:21 | (so it would work without a DNS server at all)
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| 17:21 | <alkisg> warren, what did you do to accomplish this?
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| 17:22 | <warren> alkisg: you get a somewhat random IP address, so I made fedora clients assign themselves a hostname client-$ipaddress
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| 17:22 | <alkisg> The only way I can think of is to modify the startup scripts of the chroot so that it selects a hostname based on its ip address.
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| 17:22 | <warren> that's exactly what I did
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| 17:22 | <alkisg> Hehe! :)
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| 17:24 | Anyone has a solution to give different hostnames to ltsp clients without modifying the chroot?
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| 17:24 | <Q-FUNK> hm
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| 17:24 | <alkisg> warren, where did you put the script? in which startup-script?
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| 17:26 | Or, to enable different guest accounts, because e.g. firefox doesn't run with multiple users logged on (except if you run it with -no-profile, but I can't tell students to do that!)
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| 17:28 | Hmmm.... In lts.conf, [192.168.0.201] HOSTNAME=ltsp201
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| 17:28 | Is this supposed to work? I couldn't get it to work...
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| 17:57 | <dx9s_work> ty jammcq ... I'll have to look into it :P
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| 18:31 | <X0d_of_N0d> is there any reason why the configure-x script still exists? Xorg generally does a pretty good job of working without an xorg.conf anymore...
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| 18:56 | <lns> X0d_of_N0d, I'm really just shooting in the dark but I think it allows for compatibility with chipsets like the amd geode (which isn't correctly autoconfigured by xorg)
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| 18:56 | <lns> might wanna check with q-funk when he's on
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| 19:11 | <cliebow> X0d_of_N0d, Gadi has someone working on the geode
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| 19:18 | <X0d_of_N0d> configure-x incrrectly autoconfigures our intel chips, but by disabling this script we can make everything work
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| 19:18 | it seems that in the vast majority of cases x will work, and in only a few cases special settings are needed....
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| 19:18 | so why not make configure-x an option that's off by default?
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| 19:20 | or perhaps it would make more sense to use a different X server than Xorg for some things... like the one used in puppylinux and knoppix
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| 19:20 | (there's a name for it, I just don't remember)
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| 19:20 | Xvesa ALWAYS works, especially on old hardware
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| 19:22 | kdrive...that's what it's called
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| 19:24 | <sh00p> just tarballed ltsp 4.2 on a centos box...any reason why i don't have a rc.local file?
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| 19:24 | doh, i didn't tarball it...i installed the rpm package
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| 19:25 | <X0d_of_N0d> sh00p: if you can use ltsp 5 you should
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| 19:26 | ltsp 4 isn't very secure
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| 19:26 | ... among other things
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| 19:26 | <sh00p> that's fine, i'm using ltsp 4 on an internal network
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| 19:26 | i didn't know how to do the tarball option :/
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| 19:26 | you untar it...then what heh
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| 19:27 | <X0d_of_N0d> actually, I think ltsp 4 had it's own package management system...
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| 19:28 | <sh00p> yeah...that's why i went with that
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| 19:28 | <X0d_of_N0d> if you can use ltsp 5 you'll be able to use your clients a little more naturally since they use your distro's system
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| 19:28 | just chroot into the image and do what you would as if you were on any normal system
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| 19:29 | it's much nicer...much more friendly
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| 19:29 | <sh00p> but the tarball wasn't really made for centos...just ubuntu right
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| 19:29 | <X0d_of_N0d> ?
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| 19:29 | well...ubuntu has a package for it
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| 19:30 | <sh00p> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DownLoads#Ltsp_5_on_Other_distributions
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| 19:30 | says i should download the tarball for ubuntu on a centos machine
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| 19:30 | <X0d_of_N0d> I haven't really looked outside of that because the only other system I use is gentoo, they're pretty well integrated too
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| 19:31 | <sh00p> but regardless, why don't i have a rc.local file in my /ltsp dir
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| 19:33 | <X0d_of_N0d> hum....
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| 19:33 | do you have the rest of the filesystem?
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| 19:34 | <sh00p> yeah, i think so lol
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| 19:34 | just following this how-to and says to edit the rc.local file in the ltsp etc directory but i don't have one
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| 19:35 | <X0d_of_N0d> you have an etc though, right?
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| 19:36 | <sh00p> yes
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| 19:36 | <X0d_of_N0d> well... all rc.local consists of genrally is #!/bin/sh -e\nexit 0
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| 19:37 | just curious, but why are you using centos?
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| 19:37 | <sh00p> to learn redhat :(
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| 19:37 | <X0d_of_N0d> redhat is really horrible.... imho...
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| 19:38 | <sh00p> i know but that's what we use at work now
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| 19:38 | <X0d_of_N0d> you're required to learn it or a class or something?
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| 19:38 | yeah, I'm sorry about that...
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| 19:38 | <sh00p> heh its okay
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| 19:38 | <X0d_of_N0d> well...hum... basically everything you do will be about 5 times harder than it is under ubuntu
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| 19:39 | <sh00p> that's okay as long as i learn along the way
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| 19:39 | <X0d_of_N0d> even gentoo is easier imo
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| 19:39 | hehe
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| 19:39 | yeah
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| 19:39 | <sh00p> how do i uninstall 4.2
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| 19:39 | <X0d_of_N0d> brb
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| 19:41 | When we did 4.2 we actually did sort of a hybread system... the best way to do it is just to port ltsp 5 to centos.
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| 19:41 | or some veague faximili
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| 19:41 | how much linux experiance do you have?
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| 19:42 | <sh00p> between beginner and intermediate
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| 19:42 | <X0d_of_N0d> you ever use chroot?
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| 19:42 | <sh00p> rarely...i think of bind though lol
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| 19:44 | <X0d_of_N0d> you any good with shell scripting?
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| 19:44 | <sh00p> no
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| 19:44 | i'll get v5
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| 19:44 | <X0d_of_N0d> and have you ever played with your init system
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| 19:45 | hum...
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| 19:45 | <sh00p> but how do i uninstall 4.2
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| 19:45 | just remove the dir?
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| 19:45 | <X0d_of_N0d> how did you install it?
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| 19:46 | <sh00p> oh duh lol
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| 19:46 | rpm
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| 19:46 | sigh
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| 19:47 | <X0d_of_N0d> heheh
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| 21:12 | <xwind> i just did a fresh install of ubuntu 8.04 using the alternate cd
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| 21:13 | when booting from the client, i got "No boot filename received"
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| 21:13 | what could be wrong?
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| 21:14 | the ubuntu ltsp quickinstall wiki says, it should work right away
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| 21:28 | <sh00p> heh, i just got the same message trying to pxe boot
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| 21:42 | <xwind> i solved mine, i forgot to connect eth0 to the switch
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| 21:42 | :)
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| 21:42 | am now getting dhcpoffer and my client is getting an IP
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| 21:43 | <sh00p> i know my dhcp server is working but that's all i can figure out so far
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| 21:43 | <xwind> but another show stopper comes up ...
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| 21:43 | "in.tftpd[5666]: tftp: client does not accept options"
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| 21:44 | my client does not continue to boot after displaying the ubuntu logo.
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| 21:44 | it appears to be hanging/freezing
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| 21:44 | that message above was from syslog
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