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03:15 | <ktama> Hello, I am a beginner linux and English. I have a question.
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03:16 | I made thin client environment to install ltsp-server and openssh-server.
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03:16 | the client can not find USB flash memory, How do I solve this problem?
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04:36 | <Envit1> Hola a todos desde España
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04:36 | Hello all from Spain
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07:06 | <EXP_> anyone can help me with HP photosmart C4280 and LTSP 4.2? It's supported in HPLIB, but my machine does not recognize it...
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07:07 | printin is working OK
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07:09 | <ogra> i dont think 4.2 shipped hplip ... but i might be wrong
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07:11 | <EXP_> i have installed hplib
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07:11 | <ogra> in the client system ?
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07:11 | <EXP_> yes. to client
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07:19 | sorry. printer/scanner is connected to client I meant
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07:21 | sane-find-scanner finds the scanner, but when i try scanimage -L i won't recogize any scanners
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07:25 | <EXP_> ogra, any suggestions?
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07:26 | <ogra> EXP_, not really i'm not really familiar with the old 4.2 code
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07:27 | <EXP_> ok
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08:10 | <EXP2> I have HP Photosmart C4280 connected to ltsp client. sane-find-scanner recognizes it, but scanimage -L does not. HPLIB says it is supported..
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09:07 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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09:18 | <monteslu> today's the big day. I go with either k12ltsp5-EL or edubuntu
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09:19 | <ogra> EL ?
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09:19 | <monteslu> eneterprise Centos5
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09:19 | still ltsp4.2
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09:19 | <ogra> yup
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09:20 | <monteslu> I've got a working smbldap server I probably won't mess with, but I want to update 2 ltsp servers
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09:20 | theyre both k12ltsp5, (fedora5 ltsp 4.2)
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09:20 | how's the load balancing in edubuntu 7.04 ?
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09:21 | <ogra> moquist and dtrask have such setups running afaik ...
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09:21 | load balancing by selecting applicaton server is just being implemented in the 7.10 release
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09:22 | <monteslu> do i just spread tell which clients to hit which servers ?
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09:22 | that's how I'm doing it now
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09:22 | have all the clients specified in t ltsp.conf
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09:22 | <ogra> right that works
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09:22 | 7.10 will have a server selection dialog in the login manager
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09:23 | <monteslu> its for a k-8 school. I'd rather have it transparent to the users
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09:23 | <moquist> monteslu: I recommend using ISC's DHCP failover for two servers.
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09:24 | <monteslu> moquist!!!
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09:24 | you get those centos5 patches included in the installer?
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09:24 | <moquist> monteslu: it's not perfect (I checked once and we had a 2-1 split at our HS), but it's very easy to set up (compared to listing all the hosts) and it's very dynamic. If one server goes down, 1/2 of the TCs will need to reboot, but they'll come up fine on the other server.
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09:24 | er, um...
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09:24 | * moquist blushes | |
09:25 | <sbalneav> The new host selection code in ldm will easily allow you to use a dhcp failover scheme.
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09:25 | <moquist> I have a passel of smbldap-related emails in my inbox right now. :p
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09:25 | sbalneav: how will the two be related?
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09:26 | sbalneav: i.e., I see no need for a relationship. You can use the LDM Coolness(TM), and also, if you want, you can have DHCP failover running.
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09:26 | <monteslu> moquist, are you still on k12 ?
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09:27 | <sbalneav> Yes, exactly.
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09:30 | <moquist> monteslu: Edubuntu Feisty
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09:30 | <monteslu> what about your smbldap server for those?
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09:30 | <ltsppbot> "only for german" pasted "icq sending" (32 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/268
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09:30 | <moquist> We have a dapper server and an edgy server, and three new feisty servers.
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09:31 | (in various different schools)
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09:31 | <monteslu> well, i guess edubunt is the new hotness, I'll pull it down
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09:31 | feel like I'm letting eric down or something
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09:31 | <moquist> monteslu: we're using webmin ATM, but planning to switch to the new rumor-has-it "eserver" coolness when possible.
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09:32 | <monteslu> for administration?
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09:32 | I've got the computer teacher adding users from the cli :)
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09:32 | <moquist> monteslu: don't feel like you're letting Eric down. He's on board. IMO, RH and Fedora have let *Eric* down.
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09:32 | <monteslu> good point
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09:33 | Ok, I'm pulling down edubuntu classroom server and addon cd
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09:33 | <moquist> monteslu: Yeah, I have "users" (i.e., my boss ;) who really want a GUI available for user admin. It's not unfair; he's got lots of other things to do, and there's way too much opportunity to screw things up on the command line.
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09:33 | This is better for everyone (here).
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09:34 | <monteslu> did you have to add anything to webmin?
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09:34 | <ogra> monteslu, eric founded edubuntu initially
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09:34 | <moquist> monteslu: Yep, that's whatcha do. Good luck. :)
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09:34 | monteslu: A version of the smbldap-installer (now renamed "smbldap-configure") asks the questions and writes out the webmin config file.
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09:34 | <ogra> monteslu, he was the creator of the spec back two years ago
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09:35 | <moquist> ogra: were you in any of our LTSP meetings in Sydney?
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09:35 | <monteslu> cool, then I'm on board
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09:35 | * moquist is just curious | |
09:35 | <ogra> moquist, i was at a packaging training session iirc
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09:35 | together with dholbach
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09:35 | <monteslu> moquist, I should be able to point those two new 7.04 servers at a centos4.3 smbldap using your client script right?
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09:35 | * moquist nods | |
09:36 | <moquist> monteslu: sure
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09:36 | <monteslu> cool. I'm kinda psyched to try something new :)
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09:36 | <moquist> monteslu: you don't need the new version for that; just run './smbldap ldapclient'
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09:36 | <monteslu> awesome
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09:36 | <moquist> monteslu: it is /hawt/</wvdl>
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09:37 | <monteslu> only problem i see is that fedora and ubuntu have differnt .mozilla user profiles
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09:37 | <ogra> really ?
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09:37 | <moquist> monteslu: you don't want to mix desktop environments for shared home dirs. that's not happy.
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09:37 | Though I think Gnome is the bigger worry, not so much FF.
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09:37 | <monteslu> yeah, but I've got gigs of teacher profiles on the current smbdlap server
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09:37 | <ogra> ubuntu should use pretty much upstream setup for that
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09:38 | *upstreams
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09:38 | <monteslu> I guess I could kill .gnome on their profiles
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09:38 | maybe .kde too
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09:38 | <moquist> monteslu: Upgrading isn't a problem. It's just mixing old and new that's not good.
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09:38 | <monteslu> and the kids all get new directories
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09:39 | I had planned on redoing the smbldap with centos5, but maybe switching to edubuntu will prove more than enough work as is
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09:40 | is there a good mailing list like the k12 one?
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09:41 | <moquist> monteslu: edubuntu-devel gets some traffic. not as much, but there's some really good stuff on there.
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09:41 | <monteslu> eric should have everyone move to it :)
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09:41 | <moquist> monteslu: and folks are talking edubuntu on k12osn sometimes. :p
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09:41 | <monteslu> yeah, i see those from time to time
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09:42 | could I re-run the smbldap-configure for just he webmin bits on my server without changing anything else?
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10:06 | <moquist> monteslu: yes
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10:09 | <whiprush_> moquist: are you on jabber?
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10:09 | <moquist> whiprush_: not really.
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10:10 | <whiprush_> okey
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10:25 | <monteslu> just burned the edubuntu cds. taking the plunge in about an hour
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10:47 | <whiprush_> sbalneav: around?
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10:57 | <ogra> whiprush_, he said he'd be in and out today (in #edubuntu)
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10:59 | <whiprush_> k
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11:16 | <Spec> Heya...I'm about to do a presentation on ltsp...
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11:17 | I was wondering if anyone could quickly give me some rough figures of how much paid-for-support usually runs for?
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11:21 | <Lumiere> hi Spec
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11:22 | Spec: how's pflint's laptop
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11:27 | <Spec> piece of crap, status quo
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11:27 | i think i feel dirtier for being on it
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11:27 | /clear
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11:27 | :p
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11:36 | Lumiere, does ltsp have a nifty logo?
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11:36 | non-edubuntu/k12ltsp specific?
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11:37 | <ogra> Spec, nearest to that comes the favicon of http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WebHome i guess
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11:38 | Spec, if you know any artists that are good at logos, we're looking for a nice ltsp logo ...
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11:43 | <Spec> i used tux :p
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11:43 | but yes ,i know an artist who is good at logos, i'll ask him if he wants to make a nice ltsp one
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13:08 | <rgusso-ltsp-br> hi
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13:08 | i have a problem
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13:08 | my /etc/X11/Xsession.d/51lbus-start don't let me log in
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13:09 | crashes thr X
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13:09 | so, if i remove it, the X works
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13:18 | <rgusso-ltsp-br> solved | chmod 644 51lbus-start
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13:25 | <whiprush_> ogra: yay, my new -dev ltsp5 server just arrived. \o/
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13:25 | I'll be testing gutsy ltsp by monday.
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18:27 | <monteslu> moquist, you around?
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18:28 | ogra ?
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18:38 | <monteslu> ooooh, I've got an edubuntu server connected to smbldap
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18:38 | now to try and fire up a second and do some load balancing...
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18:42 | any edubuntu users here?
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19:12 | <spackle> I'm having trouble getting my thin clients to like edubuntu, does edubuntu change the ltsp paradigm at all?
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19:13 | I get to the thin client login screen OK.
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19:13 | but when I login
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19:14 | screen goes black, then to a black X screen with an outline X in the middle and then back to the login screen.
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19:22 | <jammcq> hey all
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19:23 | <spackle> hey jammcq, good to see you
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19:23 | <robbie> hi
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19:24 | <monteslu> jammcq!
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19:24 | I went to the dark side
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19:24 | edubuntu
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19:24 | gotta have the muekow goodness
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19:25 | <spackle> monteslu: I was just asking about edubuntu- why is it now the bark side?
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19:25 | <monteslu> it's not really. I'm just an long time redhat user
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19:25 | <jammcq> robbie: Hey !!!!
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19:25 | <robbie> hi jim
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19:25 | <jammcq> monteslu: so was I. then, I saw the light
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19:25 | <robbie> been a while
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19:26 | <jammcq> robbie: so..... how many kidz you have now?
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19:26 | <monteslu> fedora will still be my personal and work desktop for a while
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19:26 | <spackle> I'm never going back to redhat/centos, etc... name your evil.
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19:26 | <monteslu> at least until i figure out where everything goes in ubuntu
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19:26 | <spackle> hehe
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19:26 | <robbie> 2
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19:26 | 3 one day
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19:27 | <jammcq> robbie: wow, you are catching up with Faithful
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19:27 | <monteslu> I think i need an admin group in my smbldap server
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19:28 | and why isn't synaptic in the menu?
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19:28 | <jammcq> robbie: I knew you had #2 coming, but I don't know if I heard that #2 actually arrived. Boy or Girl ?
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19:28 | <robbie> boy
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19:28 | <jammcq> woooo hooooo
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19:30 | <robbie> http://rotapile.ods.org/gallery/0707/P7240052.JPG
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19:30 | he's the one on the red shirt
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19:31 | <jammcq> wow, look at those rosie cheeks
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19:34 | <spackle> monteslu: did you have any trouble getting thin clients to talk to your server?
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19:34 | <monteslu> nope, that happened automatically
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19:34 | haven't converted the second server yet tho
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19:34 | gotta do some load balancing
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19:35 | <monteslu> or alt least tell which clients which server to use
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19:35 | but for the moment, i gotta find flash.
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19:54 | <monteslu> any reason why apt-get update should be failing to download packages when I can wget the same URL ?
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19:55 | <spackle> missing requirement?
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19:57 | <monteslu> I'm getting this early on : bzip2: Data integrity error when decompressing.
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19:58 | do you have an edubuntu box you can try an apt-get update on?
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19:59 | <spackle> I'm at mine
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20:01 | are you trying to get flashplugin-nonfree ?
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20:02 | <monteslu> yeah, but I don't think my package list is complete
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20:03 | and trying to run an apt-get udpate is failing
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20:03 | <spackle> I can run apt-get update but the flashplugin-nonfree fails for me too.
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20:03 | <monteslu> I think there's something wrong with the compressed package list on the site right now
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20:03 | can you try apt-get update
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20:04 | sometimes the repos temporarily have checksum errors.. at least I've seen that on fedora
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20:24 | <ari_stress> hello all
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20:24 | wazzup
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21:22 | <monteslu> any idea why I can sudo a GUI app only on the server on edubuntu?
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21:23 | trying to sudo something from a thin client doesnt work
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21:23 | and either does the apostrophe apparently
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21:23 | nevermind that last part, bad keyboard
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21:35 | * monteslu starts to rething the move to ubuntu | |
21:35 | <monteslu> rethinking about it too
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21:44 | the ltsp5 lts.conf file tells me to look at the lts example gzipped file, which doesn't exist
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21:52 | <spackle> monteslu: you noticed that too? ;)
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21:53 | <monteslu> This whole day has been an exercise in frustration
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21:53 | fedora seemed so much more straight forward
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21:53 | and k12 seems to have so much more pollish
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21:54 | <spackle> we need a knoppltsp ;)
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21:54 | <monteslu> or k12ltsp7 :)
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21:54 | <Lumiere> sudo from a thin client... are you using an account with admin privs?
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21:54 | <monteslu> yup
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21:55 | <Lumiere> and, it is possible that because of an insecurity sudo is failing...
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21:55 | and if there are problems, maybe submitting a bug report will help
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21:55 | <monteslu> no sudo is fine, just not connecting to X
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21:55 | <Lumiere> finally... the ltsp on ubuntu is a completely rewritten app and on a different backend
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21:56 | <spackle> Thanks Lumiere, that is what I needed to hear. It seemed like a different animal. now I know.
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21:57 | <monteslu> understand that. Was just hoping given its popularity it would be better tested
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21:57 | <Lumiere> it is much more secure
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21:57 | <monteslu> x through ssh is overkill
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21:57 | <Lumiere> not really
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21:57 | <spackle> Lumiere: that is probably why I cannot log in via my thin client.
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21:57 | <monteslu> xdmp was fine
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21:57 | <Lumiere> password through plain-text is death
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21:58 | monteslu: ubuntu won't let it in with password -> plain text
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21:58 | period end of story
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21:58 | <monteslu> fine, but now I need more cpu on my ltsp servers
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21:58 | <Lumiere> monteslu: how would you feel sending your credit card over plaintext to the ltsp server?
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21:59 | <monteslu> its not the same thing
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21:59 | <Lumiere> it is pretty close
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21:59 | they just affect different pieces of your identity
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22:00 | password -> your accounts
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22:00 | credit card -> your money
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22:00 | <monteslu> fine... do you have edubuntu servers connecting to ldap ?
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22:01 | <Lumiere> that I don't know
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22:01 | but pam_ldap would work I assume
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22:02 | <monteslu> I've got it working, but I'm wondering if the x authentication has something to do with the ldap setup
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22:02 | <Lumiere> x authenticates to accounts on the servecr
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22:02 | <monteslu> because sudo <someGUIapp> works only on the server
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22:02 | yet sudo <someCLIapp> works fine from a thin client
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22:04 | <Lumiere> try gksudo guiapp
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22:04 | <monteslu> maybe there's some other group that's missing or something
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22:04 | ahh, gksudo
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22:04 | lemme try that
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22:04 | <spackle> Lumiere: what is the best source of info fo edubuntu ltsp?
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22:05 | <monteslu> Lumiere++
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22:05 | you da man
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22:05 | <Lumiere> spackle: ltsp.org
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22:05 | and the edubuntu site
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22:05 | which I don't know off hand ;)
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22:06 | np
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22:06 | <spackle> Lumiere: OK, thanks, I wasn't sure if things from ltsp still applied.
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22:06 | <monteslu> in fedora, su - sets up all the gui env vars
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22:06 | <Lumiere> monteslu: su isn't that good
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22:07 | cause anyone can use su
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22:07 | unless you lock it down
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22:07 | sudo you have to add someone as an admin for them to use it
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22:07 | <monteslu> anyone with my funky root password
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22:08 | <Lumiere> on a completely unrelated subject... David Beckham loses ;)
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22:11 | <monteslu> so does everyon that watches soccer :)
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22:11 | Lumiere, do you have flash sound working on the thin clients?
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22:12 | <spackle> that always used to be a bit of a tough nut
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22:12 | <monteslu> the teachers have two requests: that their thumb drives work and that sound works with flash
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22:13 | flash sound got fixed in k12ltsp6, but I don't see a similar sounding package in edubuntu
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22:14 | <Lumiere> monteslu: flash sucks? XD
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22:14 | <monteslu> a bit
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22:15 | only thing its even usefull for is that low res crap video all the kids are watching these days
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22:15 | eveything else can be handled just fine with ajax
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22:15 | <spackle> "all the kids"
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22:16 | nice one gramps!
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22:16 | <monteslu> hehe
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22:16 | <spackle> :)
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22:16 | <monteslu> I've been at this since this morning, I can be a grumpy old man now
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22:17 | <Lumiere> monteslu: sorry I can't help more
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22:17 | I am spending too much time on another project
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22:17 | <monteslu> no worries, the security admonishment was plenty :)
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22:17 | <Lumiere> (SchoolTool SIS/CanDo Competency Tracking system)
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22:17 | well I spend half my time
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22:17 | <monteslu> open source?
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22:17 | <Lumiere> beating programmers over the head with the ugly stick for it
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22:17 | yes
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22:18 | zope3 based
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22:18 | <monteslu> cool, someone needs to put the proprietary educational vendors out of business
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22:18 | the shitware those guys pump out is beyond obscene
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22:18 | <Lumiere> it's coming along
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22:18 | but... SIS is a very very hard thing to write
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22:19 | <monteslu> cause you're not doing it in j2ee
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22:19 | * monteslu ducks | |
22:19 | <Lumiere> j2ee is the lame version of component architecture ;)
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22:19 | <monteslu> ouch
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22:19 | it pays my bills
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22:19 | <Lumiere> go look at zope3
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22:19 | see how it was meant to be
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22:19 | <monteslu> i write it fast as hell too
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22:20 | python's not bad
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22:20 | and guido is making it more and more like java everyday
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22:21 | * monteslu ducks again | |
22:21 | <monteslu> I think I'm probably too tired and crabby for irc right now
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22:21 | <spackle> fiesty anyway
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22:21 | <monteslu> hehe yeah
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22:22 | <Lumiere> ow
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22:22 | * Lumiere pulls out his hammer | |
22:22 | <sbalneav> Ah, looks like the patch I came up with for nbd-server got put into upstream,
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22:23 | nice.
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22:23 | <monteslu> acutally if it works and its cross platform I don't care which language it's written in.
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22:25 | <Lumiere> monteslu: web apps++
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22:26 | <spackle> installing software is the pits, updating it 2xpits
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22:29 | <Lumiere> spackle: yes
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22:29 | SchoolTool will be in Gutsy...
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22:30 | but unfortunately it is not going to be everything yet
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22:49 | <jammcq> sbalneav: you rock
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22:50 | <sbalneav> :)
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22:51 | <Lumiere> hi jammcq
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22:51 | <jammcq> hey Lumiere
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22:51 | how's it goin?
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22:51 | <Lumiere> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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22:51 | just got off a CanDo/SchoolTool sprint
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22:51 | <jammcq> yeah, I'm heading upstairs in a few seconds
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22:51 | <Lumiere> and I am pretty spent ;)
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22:51 | <jammcq> cool
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22:52 | <Lumiere> and I am starting to play with compiz-fusion
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22:52 | <monteslu> web apps++ indeed
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22:52 | <Lumiere> monteslu: only warning from us is... use firefox ;)
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22:53 | <monteslu> hehe, I've got that message on the help section of our corporate extranet
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22:53 | <Lumiere> IE6 is unsupported from my team (I don't care enough to pay them to make it work in IE :)
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22:53 | <sbalneav> Finally getting around to fixing a longstanding irritant of mine with some of the ltsp init scripts.
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22:53 | <Lumiere> sbalneav: cool... and ltns scottie :)
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22:54 | <sbalneav> I'm adding an XORG_CONF variable, which will do the exactly the same thing as the XF86CONFIG_FILE variable, but properly named.
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22:54 | * Lumiere is contemplating buying a DDR mat and forcing himself to get into shape | |
22:54 | <Lumiere> sbalneav: deprication warnings pls ;)
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22:54 | <jammcq> heh
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22:54 | <sbalneav> You just got it :)
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22:54 | <Lumiere> rofl
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22:54 | not for me ;)
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22:55 | <sbalneav> I'll keep the old one around, we'll phase it out in a version or two.
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22:55 | <Lumiere> I don't use the variable (my edubuntu-dapper works just fine w/o it)
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22:55 | sbalneav: I just suggest some piece of 'omgwtfbbq this is going away soon' ;)
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22:55 | (speaking of bbq... bbq dinner mmmmm)
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22:56 | <spackle> mmmmm
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22:56 | <monteslu> got orange chicken and sweet and sour pork waiting for me at home
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22:57 | <Lumiere> heh... I got something at the soccer game tonight
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22:58 | <monteslu> ok, now that I've got one Muekow server up and connected to ldap... what's the best way to get clients to hit the second ltsp server?
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22:58 | split them up in lts.conf
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22:58 | <Lumiere> (yes... I was at the beckham game... yes I was screaming boos at him)
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22:59 | <monteslu> or some other fancier newfangled loadbalancing technique
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22:59 | soccer--
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22:59 | though the world cup head butt thing was kinda neat
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22:59 | saw it just after getting my hd tv
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23:01 | * Lumiere doesn't like monteslu anymore ^^ (I'm a DC United season ticket holder, and have been for 12 years now) | |
23:01 | <monteslu> hehe
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23:03 | its not that I hate soccer, its just tha basketball is starting up in 2 months
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23:04 | and my Suns are gonna get it done this year.
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23:04 | * Lumiere finds basketball to be somewhat boring (although more interesting then baseball or football) | |
23:06 | <monteslu> basketball, then football and futbol for a tie, baseball a distant 17th or so after the maybe UFC cage matches or something
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23:07 | <Lumiere> lol yea
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23:07 | footy is very fun to watch with teams that are play a fun style
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23:09 | <monteslu> all they have to do is shorten the goal a little, have the keeper move away from it, and let them use their hands
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23:09 | oh and shorten the field and make it a hardwood floor :)
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23:10 | <Lumiere> lol bleh
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23:11 | my thing is that there isn't the strategy in basketball
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23:11 | <monteslu> sure there is, purchase big guys
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23:11 | oh and run fast
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23:13 | <monteslu> well I better head home. I don't think I'll solve any of my muekow issues tonight. And I've got another day left
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23:29 | <spackle> my thin client keeps saying nfsmount: need a path, but I don't see a path option in the DHCP settings, what should it be?
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23:30 | this is from edubuntu
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23:30 | <spackle> I assume it picks the option up from dhcp?
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23:32 | this: option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386" ?
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23:37 | <sbalneav> spackle: Could you paste your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file to the pastebot?
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23:37 | !pastebot
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23:37 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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23:45 | <spackle> sbalneav: it's booting now. Just can't figure out why I can't login now.
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23:46 | <sbalneav> Need to do an ltsp-update-sshkeys?
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23:46 | <spackle> locate ltsp-update-sshkeys
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23:50 | can I add a whole network to the ssh known hosts?
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23:51 | ooh, hey! 'tis working now!
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23:51 | sbalneav: many thanks!
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23:51 | <sbalneav> NP
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