IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 12 August 2013 (all times are UTC)
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| 09:27 | <Zorky> anyone present?
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| 09:35 | <Zorky> anyone who can help me with this problem. I have 3 computers connected in epoptes. 1 shows up and is connectable. and 2 is just showing up with a computer icon showing STD in it. and is not connectable. all 3 computers are on the same network
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| 09:45 | <Fenuks> Sorry, Zorky. I am present, but don't have much experience with epoptes
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| 09:46 | <Zorky> hmm
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| 09:47 | <Fenuks> Zorky: Anything in logs? Both of them pingable?
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| 09:47 | <Zorky> they are sitting on a separate net
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| 09:48 | <Fenuks> NAT?
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| 09:50 | <Zorky> no in a different country
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| 09:50 | <Fenuks> And how do you connect to them?
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| 09:51 | <Zorky> they are setup via a cloud server running epoptes server. and we connect to epoptes via x2go
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| 09:52 | <Mava> 1. draw picture, 2. consider routing, 3. consider returning traffic, 4. consider firewalling,
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| 09:55 | <Zorky> theres 3 screens running. 1 is visible and able to connect to and see. the other 2 is not connecable. but only shows an pc icon with STD in the screen. an orange icon
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| 10:00 | here is a picture of the setup http://i.imgur.com/rcJGuZ1.jpg
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| 10:01 | im sitting from the public ip
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| 10:01 | gonna show another picture. now i see it's not complete :)
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| 10:08 | http://i.imgur.com/aMkhLGJ.jpg
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| 10:08 | here is a more detailed picture og how im connecting to the epoptes clients
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| 10:55 | <Zorky> anyone who could help me with my problem?
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| 11:38 | <mikkel_> I have installed LTSP on Fedora 19 (with a lot of changes). It works now, but I can't get it to launch LDM. I need to run "/usr/sbin/ltsp-client-launch" but it don't work as kernel parm "init=/usr/sbin/ltsp-client-launch" and neither in "rc.local" (run with systemd). How should I run it ?
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| 12:09 | <bennabiy> Ok, I am running into a pulseaudio issue which I cannot resolve, and cannot find very recent info on how to fix it in the modern distro.
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| 12:10 | Sound works on the client for a short time, and then the sound dies, with the only recourse to get it back being to reboot the machine.
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| 12:10 | Anyone able to help?
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| 12:23 | <bennabiy> Anyone ever feel alone in a room full of people?
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| 12:37 | <brunolambert> bennabiy: are you reffering to a room of 61 persons?
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| 12:37 | <bennabiy> brunolambert: Very perceptive
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| 12:38 | It is good to see someone is "here"
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| 12:38 | <brunolambert> don't expect too much out of me at 8:00 am though ;)
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| 12:39 | <bennabiy> brunolambert: I understand. Where are you located?
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| 12:39 | <brunolambert> province of quebec
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| 12:40 | eh
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| 12:40 | <bennabiy> Ahh, our tall ship was just up there.
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| 12:40 | Anyways, are you familiar with pulseaudio and thin clients?
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| 12:41 | <brunolambert> not really
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| 12:41 | <bennabiy> I have tracked my issue down to something related to that
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| 13:34 | <bennabiy> I have another issue as well, non pulse related. Is there a way to not show mounted drives on every users desktop, but only on the session where it is mounted? The ownership of the drive is being applied to the right user, but the actual device is showing on all desktops.
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| 14:27 | <fzabala> Hi, anyone here? I have a bit of a question
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| 14:28 | I have an ltsp server serving fat client images to machines
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| 14:28 | it's working fine and all, but I was wondering if I could, once the image is booted
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| 14:29 | syncronize the image to the local hard drive of the client, so, in the event of a server outage, the machine would still be able to boot localy
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| 14:29 | locally*
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| 14:31 | does it sound feasible ?
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| 14:32 | <mar77i> hmm, how can I take control of an epoptes server from another machine?
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| 14:33 | <fzabala> do you mean like with ssh or vnc or something like that?
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| 14:34 | <mar77i> well, using the gui thingy
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| 14:34 | <fzabala> is the other machine on the same network?
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| 14:34 | <mar77i> sure
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| 14:34 | <fzabala> sounds like you'd want to use VNC for that
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| 14:35 | <mar77i> well, ssh -X should work... is that the only way?
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| 14:35 | <fzabala> what distro is the server running ?
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| 14:36 | <mar77i> edubuntu. we have those teacher laptopts that should be able to take control of the fully ltsp'd students
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| 14:37 | and I'm having trouble to make sense of things. Do you mean I can't run the epoptes "gui thingy" on another machine to control things like on the server?
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| 14:38 | <fzabala> well, look
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| 14:38 | if you run a VNC server on the epoptes server, and connect through a client from other machine
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| 14:39 | it would be like using remote desktop on windows, for example
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| 14:39 | is that what you'd want to do?
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| 14:41 | <mar77i> oh come on
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| 14:41 | didn't I just suggest ssh/X-forwarding?
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| 14:42 | <fzabala> well, sure, that's another option, of course
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| 14:43 | depending on your settings could be better, but, why didn't you try that already if you're so sure it will work?
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| 14:43 | <mar77i> I was looking for the privileged epoptes client to run the gui on another machine (not just an ltsp client).
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| 14:45 | <fzabala> well, in that case I think you're probably not on the most appropriate channel
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| 14:47 | btw, I advice that if you know the terminology, you use it, otherwise you give the impression of not knowing what you're talking about, and will likely get replies that you might have already considered
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| 14:48 | <mar77i> are you kidding me?
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| 14:50 | <fzabala> this might just be my english skills not being up to the task, but when you said "gui thingy" I thought you were pretty lost
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| 14:51 | so I adviced to use VNC which is easier for beginners
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| 14:52 | <fzabala> if you used the words "privileged epoptes client to run the gui on another machine" I would have answered differently. That's it
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| 15:03 | <mar77i> I was too lazy to look up the proc name. it's 10m to walk. I was indeed talking of /usr/bin/epoptes
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| 15:04 | <bennabiy> Nice to see some activity... either of you have experience with pulse audio?
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| 15:04 | <mar77i> fzabala: thanks anyway
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| 15:05 | <fzabala> no prob
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| 15:05 | and, nope, bennabiy, nothing out of the ordinary
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| 15:06 | <bennabiy> fzabala: I am having an issue with audio failing on thin client, with the only recourse to reboot the client to restore it
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| 15:06 | I am also having an issue with drives showing up on the wrong desktop, and when a drive is plugged into the server, random users get prompted to mount it
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| 15:09 | <fzabala> I'm sure you've already set al the flags to allow local devices and local sound, right?
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| 15:14 | <mar77i> so. ssh -X indeed works.
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| 15:19 | <bennabiy> As far as I know I have, here is my current lts.conf
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| 15:20 | [Default]
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| 15:20 | LDM_DIRECTX = True
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| 15:20 | X_RAMPERC = 80
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| 15:20 | LOCALDEV = True
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| 15:20 | SOUND_DAEMON = pulse
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| 15:20 | SOUND = True
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| 15:20 | LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION = True
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| 15:20 | SCREEN_02 = shell
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| 15:20 | SCREEN_07 = ldm
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| 15:20 | MOUNT_LOCAL_MEDIA = True
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| 15:21 | My clients are hp st5742 thin clients
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| 15:30 | thoughts?
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| 15:39 | <bennabiy> It seems that audacity is crashing the audio as well
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| 15:51 | <matthias_> hey, may i ask a question?
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| 15:51 | <||cw> you just did...
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| 15:54 | <matthias_> ok, i'm setting up an ltsp server. i already got one running as a thin client configuration with dnsmasq as dhcp proxy. worked everything fine. i want to setuup a network at my school. we have good workstations with i5 and 4gb ram. so i want to use a fat client system. as already said the thin clients config works fine but with fat clients config my clients that boot over network are showing the busybox. i'm running ubuntu 12.04 64-bit. and
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| 15:55 | and if i press f6 while the ubuntu loading screen it say socket connection failed..
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| 15:56 | <||cw> and all you changed was thin to fat and rebuilt?
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| 15:56 | I'm not sure if anything else needs to be done.
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| 15:58 | <matthias_> yes i only changed thin to fat just like here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 15:58 | i created the ltsp-build-client.conf and the debconf.seeds and than ltsp-build-image again
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| 15:59 | *ltsp-build-client sry
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| 16:03 | <matthias_> beep_msg_level = MSGS NOTICES DCC DCCMSGS HILIGHT
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| 16:06 | ||cw: any idea?
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| 16:06 | <||cw> nope, I've not done thick clients yet
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| 16:06 | er, fat clients
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| 16:07 | <matthias_> ok thanks ||cw is ther sb else who could help me pls?
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| 16:08 | <||cw> the one I know that could help isn't online right now
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| 16:09 | <matthias_> ||cw: you know when he comes online?
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| 16:10 | <||cw> no, but I know he's in Greece, if that helps
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| 16:11 | <fzabala> I'm working on fat clients, but I don't know what seems to be the problem with your config
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| 16:11 | can you pastebin your ltsp.conf or something to take a look at it?
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| 16:12 | I suggest doing a backup of the chroot, if possible, just in case you need to try something
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| 16:14 | <matthias_> fzabala: which config do you mean? (backup done)
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| 16:14 | <fzabala> /etc/ltsp/ltsp-build-client.conf
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| 16:15 | just the settings, if possible, ( the sample one is riddled with commented lines )
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| 16:15 | and, what command did you use to build the clients?
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| 16:16 | <matthias_> i used ltsp-build-client
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| 16:16 | <ogra_> did you chekc the lasa drivers on the device yet ?
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| 16:17 | *alsa
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| 16:17 | <matthias_> here my config: http://pastebin.com/8i9e8x1W
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| 16:17 | <ogra_> its very unlikley an issue with pulseaudio or the lts.conf or something else on such a high level
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| 16:17 | <matthias_> ogra_: how can i check?
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| 16:18 | <ogra_> open a local terminal on the cllient and check syslog and dmesg output
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| 16:18 | look for alsa stuff
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| 16:18 | <fzabala> I see
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| 16:18 | <ogra_> also check if alsamixer shows a device etc etc
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| 16:18 | basic alsa debugging :)
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| 16:18 | <fzabala> just ot of curiosity, are you sure that your clients will run fine on amd64 arch ?
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| 16:19 | <matthias_> ogra_: thats not my problem my client doesn't even boot up, it just shows the busybox after the ubuntu loading screen. and the driver worked well in the thin client modus.
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| 16:19 | <ogra_> once you know it is fine, start blaming the next layer (pulse or its config) ... but 90% of audio issues are actually asla
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| 16:19 | oh, i thought you had a sound issue
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| 16:19 | <matthias_> yes, because i've the same setup as i tested before with thin clients
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| 16:19 | <ogra_> ignore me then :)
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| 16:19 | <fzabala> I'd suggest you try changing the ARCH for i386
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| 16:20 | <matthias_> no problem ogra_
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| 16:20 | <fzabala> just for the sake of testing
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| 16:20 | <matthias_> fzabala: you mean doing the samething for i386?
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| 16:20 | ok i will do
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| 16:21 | <fzabala> same config, just change the arch before building
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| 16:22 | <bennabiy> ogra_: I am the one with sound issues
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| 16:22 | <matthias_> ok it's building for i386....
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| 16:23 | <ogra_> bennabiy, oh, so i mixed you up ... well, then what i said above appiles :)
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| 16:23 | looks at the actual driver on the device
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| 16:25 | <bennabiy> ogra_: I have checked on the local term when the audio cut out, and usually there is a queue of messages about not being able to push something into the queue
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| 16:25 | alsa failed to push data into queue
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| 16:25 | <digitalirony> What would be a good hardware solution to use for the thin client client machines?
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| 16:25 | <ogra_> bennabiy, that looks pretty much like a driver issue with the sound driver then
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| 16:26 | bennabiy, fix that and your sound will magically work
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| 16:26 | <bennabiy> digitalirony: we have been using hp st5742 - for the most part it is a stable machine, although you need to do a fix for the video driver
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| 16:26 | ogra_: How should I go about that?
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| 16:26 | In the chroot or on the server?
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| 16:26 | <digitalirony> bennabiy: what is the fix
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| 16:26 | is it well documented?
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| 16:27 | do you know of one that will work out of the box
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| 16:28 | <bennabiy> digitalirony: We went with these because you can find them new for around 100, and used for around 30-50. I am sure there are places that sell them fairly well supported out the store, but I cannot think of any
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| 16:28 | The fix is adding a line to the pxelinux.cfg/default file
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| 16:28 | I posted on Ubuntuforums about it
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| 16:29 | ogra_: what is the best way to reinstall the sound drivers on the client image?
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| 16:30 | <ogra_> what distro is that ?
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| 16:30 | <bennabiy> I am also having issues with audacity crashing immediately on the client
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| 16:30 | * ogra_ can only talk about ubuntu ... there alsa drivers come with the kernel package ... | |
| 16:30 | <bennabiy> I am running mint 15 for the server, but the client is built on 13.04
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| 16:30 | <other_other_joe> heya folks
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| 16:32 | I was wondering if anyone could recommend a good way to get NFS to mount only the users home after login
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| 16:32 | <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems ... not sure if that works on mint, also dont forget that mint suppresses (security) updates so you might not have the latest fixes installed
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| 16:32 | <other_other_joe> instead of the entire /home on boot
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| 16:33 | <bennabiy> ogra_: are you going to be around for a while? I need to go have lunch with my family. I will be back in 20 - 30 minutes
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| 16:33 | <other_other_joe> I wrote a little ldm/rc.d script to do it and I thought it was working...I was mistaken however
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| 16:33 | <ogra_> bennabiy, cant promise ...
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| 16:41 | <matthias_> fzabala: just 5 minuts left building the client...
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| 16:42 | <||cw> other_other_joe: a users /home is required to complete the login process.
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| 16:42 | you'd have to do in via pam or something.
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| 16:44 | <other_other_joe> right right
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| 16:45 | LDAP could do it I believe
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| 16:45 | if I don't set the NFS_HOME= var in my lts.conf it will try and mount it via sshfs though
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| 16:46 | it does just mount the single users home directory rather the the entire home as long as I use sshfs
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| 16:46 | I just need to figure out how to get it to use nfs instead
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| 16:47 | <||cw> what's the problem with mounting all of /home via nfs? it's a very common linux thing to do
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| 16:47 | <other_other_joe> I've got a lot of users
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| 16:47 | <||cw> first, to mount each separate, you'd have have to define and export for each every user. I'd find that unmanageable
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| 16:47 | s/and/an
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| 16:48 | <other_other_joe> I was concerned that the amount of home directories in there would add a lot of overhead
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| 16:48 | <||cw> so? it's just a mount
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| 16:48 | how?
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| 16:48 | there's nothing that iterated them
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| 16:48 | <other_other_joe> good question
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| 16:48 | <||cw> its just a mount. does the number of files on a usb disk add overhead to mounting it?
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| 16:48 | <vmlintu> ||cw: at least with nfs4 you don't need to define every home directory separately
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| 16:48 | <other_other_joe> I just thought I remembered reading that somewhere
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| 16:49 | <Hyperbyte> ||cw, you wouldn't need to create multiple exports. If you are allowed to mount an NFS export, you are allowed to mount all subdirs seperately too.
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| 16:49 | <||cw> vmlintu: that's good at least
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| 16:49 | directly?
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| 16:49 | <Hyperbyte> Right... ^^ that. :)
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| 16:50 | other_other_joe, I think the amount of overhead is neglible. NFS only reads the files as needed, it doesn't cache entire directories.
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| 16:51 | <other_other_joe> You're probably right
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| 16:52 | <vmlintu> other_other_joe: I'm doing user specific mounts on ltsp servers and fat clients with a script run by pam_exec.so
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| 16:52 | <other_other_joe> ah ok, cool
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| 16:53 | any reason you decided to handle that outside of ldm/rc.d ?
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| 16:53 | <vmlintu> other_other_joe: https://github.com/opinsys/puavo-ltsp/blob/master/client/puavo-ltsp-init-nfs
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| 16:53 | <matthias_> fzabala: i've got still the same problem
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| 16:53 | <vmlintu> other_other_joe: it's called from lightdm's PAM stack: https://github.com/opinsys/puavo-ltsp/blob/master/client/templates/etc/pam.d/lightdm-fatclient#L28
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| 16:54 | other_other_joe: I'm not using ldm
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| 16:54 | other_other_joe: and it uses kerberos authentication
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| 16:54 | <matthias_> fzabala: what could i do now?
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| 16:55 | <other_other_joe> ah ok
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| 16:55 | thanks a bunch, I appreciate it
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| 16:55 | I'll check that out
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| 16:56 | Are you using LDAP as well or no?
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| 16:56 | <matthias_> my erro is still the socket failed connection refused. and it comes still the buxybox up
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| 16:57 | <vmlintu> other_other_joe: yes, LDAP+kerberos
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| 17:08 | <Z4PP3r> Can someone help me, ive got an Ubuntu Server, and im trying to get the thin clients to run MATE desktop.
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| 17:09 | <fzabala> sorry, gtg, bbl
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| 17:10 | <Hyperbyte> Z4PP3r, what's holding you back?
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| 17:11 | <Z4PP3r> Hyperbyte, when i install ltsp-server-standalone, it installs unity.
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| 17:11 | should i install MATE on the server?
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| 17:14 | <other_other_joe> when you build the chroot, if you don't speciify a desktop it'll use whatever is installed on the server
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| 17:15 | <Z4PP3r> other_other_joe, hmm, but i installed Ubuntu Server- theres no desktop. so, how do i specify a desktop?
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| 17:17 | <other_other_joe> I'm using fat clients and the flag was something like ltsp-build-chroot --fat-client-desktop xfce4
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| 17:17 | I'm sure there is something comparable for thin client chroots, I'd cat the ltsp-build-chroot script and see what you can find
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| 17:18 | <ogra_> ltsp-server-standalone depends on "x-session-manager | x-window-manager"
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| 17:18 | any package providing either of these two will be fine
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| 17:19 | (any desktop session or window manager)
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| 17:21 | <bennabiy> ogra_: still here?
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| 17:21 | <Z4PP3r> so, install MATE on the server, then install ltsp-server-standalone, then ltsp-build-client?
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| 17:22 | <other_other_joe> I think so
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| 17:22 | seems reasonable
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| 17:23 | you probably don't even need to re-install ltsp-server-standalone, just purge unity, install mate, and rebuild the chroot
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| 17:25 | <other_other_joe> anyone know if I have to put my alternate NFS server location in the pxelinux.cfg/default?
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| 17:25 | <other_other_joe> I was trying to use a standalone NFS server but the NFS_HOME=x.x.x.x:/home didn't do it for me
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| 17:26 | <Z4PP3r> other_other_joe, ok.
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| 17:26 | <other_other_joe> in my lts.conf that is
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| 17:30 | <bennabiy> Do the ALSA drivers and Pulseaudio drivers conflict with each other?
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| 17:31 | <other_other_joe> nah, pulse should use alsa
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| 17:31 | <bennabiy> I am having an issue with my clients sound cutting out after a time, or when audacity is run
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| 17:31 | and rebooting is the only thing that fixes it, for a short time
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| 17:32 | <bennabiy> And I get a host of " alsa failed to push data into queue " entries on the client syslog
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| 17:33 | <||cw> sounds like the sound card driver is crashing
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| 17:34 | <bennabiy> matthias1: Were you the one with the busybox issue?
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| 17:34 | ||cw: What is the best way to update the sound card drivers?
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| 17:35 | <||cw> installer a different kernel? I don't know
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| 17:35 | I'm totally guessing at the cause though
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| 17:35 | and I've no idea how to tell if that's the case, unless you're also getting a panic
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| 17:36 | <bennabiy> When audacity is run, it totally crashes the audio, and if vlc is running for a time, the audio just dies and will not come back
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| 17:37 | <other_other_joe> parsing your logs is going to be your best bet I think
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| 17:38 | sounds to me like pulse isn't routing because something is trying to grab the card
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| 17:38 | <other_other_joe> jack maybe
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| 17:38 | <Hyperbyte> Z4PP3r, are you using thin or fat clients?
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| 17:38 | <matthias1> bennabiy: yes
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| 17:38 | <bennabiy> matthias1: Is it still an issue?
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| 17:38 | <Z4PP3r> Hyperbyte, thin
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| 17:39 | <Hyperbyte> Z4PP3r, then you don't need to mess with anything client related. LTSP uses the desktops that the server provides.
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| 17:39 | <matthias1> i think here is the problem bennabiy in.tftpd[2246]: tftp: client does not accept options
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| 17:39 | <Hyperbyte> Z4PP3r, so just installing MATE on the server is enough. Also, a word of advice:
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| 17:39 | <matthias1> bennabiy: yes still an issue
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| 17:40 | bennabiy: here's the section of my log file http://pastebin.com/9eD4cYpu
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| 17:40 | <bennabiy> matthias1: I was going to say, when I have had that issue, it was because tftp was not starting properly. What I had to do was manually issue the start command for tftp and then rebuild the client
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| 17:41 | <Hyperbyte> Z4PP3r, while it may make sense to install Ubuntu server, since, well, you're installing a server... realize that you are in fact installing a server which has to serve graphical user sessions. It's generally either to just install Ubuntu desktop. If you don't, you need to install a graphical desktop onto your Ubuntu Server installation.
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| 17:41 | <bennabiy> I have to go for a little while, I will be back
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| 17:41 | <other_other_joe> bennabiy, when you sound dies use fuser on your /dev/snd directory and find out whats PIDs are using your card
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| 17:42 | <Z4PP3r> Hyperbyte, ok, i installed MATE, and its building the client now... ill let you know how it goes...
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| 17:42 | <other_other_joe> maybe trying killing any that aren't pulse and/or restarting pulse
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| 17:43 | <Hyperbyte> Z4PP3r, the desktop is not used on the client though if you're using thin clients. In fact, only X runs on the thin client, and LDM (the LTSP login manager)... rest is on the server. So you only run ltsp-build-client once, and then never touch again. All the changes you want on the client, you should do on the server
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| 17:44 | The advice from other_other_joe to rebuild client after installing MATE is wrong.
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| 17:44 | But since it's building now already, you'll have to let it finish.
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| 17:45 | <Z4PP3r> Hyperbyte, ooh. yea, im running into errors. i think im just gonna reinstall ubuntu server, ive really messed it up :/
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| 17:45 | <Hyperbyte> Z4PP3r, pick Ubuntu Desktop.
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| 17:45 | Ubuntu Server == Ubuntu Desktop without the graphical stuff.
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| 17:46 | However, for LTSP, you need the graphical stuff. Might as well just pick Ubuntu Desktop while you're at it, will save you from having to mess around too much.
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| 17:46 | <Z4PP3r> Hyperbyte, no, unity will be too slow. maybe i should do this on linux mint.
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| 17:46 | <Hyperbyte> Z4PP3r, you don't have to use Unity.
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| 17:46 | Just install MATE afterwards, and tell your clients to use that.
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| 17:47 | <Z4PP3r> oh, so have both installed?
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| 17:47 | <Hyperbyte> Three steps. 1. Install Ubuntu desktop. 2. Install MATE. 3. Configure clients to use MATE.
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| 17:47 | Done.
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| 17:47 | <Z4PP3r> ok.
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| 17:47 | <Hyperbyte> Well 2.5, install LTSP....
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| 17:47 | :)
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| 17:47 | Z4PP3r, doesn't hurt to have both. Unless you really need the disk space.
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| 17:48 | <Z4PP3r> Hyperbyte, but why do i need ubuntu desktop if i will use mate?
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| 17:50 | <Hyperbyte> Z4PP3r, because it installs more than just Unity. It installs lots of libraries that graphical desktops need, as well as lots of useful applications (office suit, etc)
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| 17:50 | It's your choice. But my experience with doing server installations and then adding desktop afterwards, is that there's always some libraries or packages missing that screw things up.
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| 17:51 | But sure, go ahead and try... if it doesn't work out you can just reinstall again. :)
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| 17:51 | <Z4PP3r> ok then. some program would probably require it anyway... so how do i do step 3, make it use MATE by default?
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| 17:52 | <Hyperbyte> !lts.conf
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| 17:52 | <ltsp> lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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| 17:52 | <Hyperbyte> See: LDM_SESSION
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| 17:57 | <matthias1> bennabiy: http://imgur.com/YhlWiAr my client ends up with this and opens busybox 20sec later
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| 18:15 | <stupidscript> Looking for list of thin clients (mfr, models) that work out of the box with Edubuntu 12.04 LTSP. TIA. (sorry for the cross-post with #edubuntu)
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| 18:29 | <matthias1> hey if i boot up my fat client there stands eth0 configured: 192.168.178.227:192.168.178.1:192.168.178.1:255.255.255.0 but above it says ip=192.168.178.227:192.168.178.4:192.168.178.1:255.255.255.0 ##.277 is my client .4 is my server .1 is my router and my server acts as dnsmasq but why is in the second line .1 but not .4?
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| 18:29 | <matthias1> here a screenshoot: http://i.imgur.com/YhlWiAr.jpg
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| 18:37 | <||cw> looks like either the nbd address is not configured, or isn't running
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| 18:51 | <matthias1> ||cw: and where can i do this?
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| 18:51 | <fzabala> ok, back
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| 18:52 | I'll ask again, just in case
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| 18:52 | I'm trying to do something weird with LTSP
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| 18:52 | I'd like to, at boot, on each client ( fat clients ), synchronize the image to the local hard drive
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| 18:53 | so, in the event of a ltsp server failure, I could still boot the client
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| 18:53 | anyone else doing this?
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| 18:54 | <matthias1> fzabala: can you remember my previous issu?
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| 18:54 | <matthias1> *fzabala: can you remember my previous issue?
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| 18:55 | <fzabala> where you having trouble with fat clients?
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| 18:56 | <matthias1> yes
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| 18:58 | <matthias1> look at this pic http://i.imgur.com/YhlWiAr.jpg the ip adress is metioned two times. first at my ip seems to bee..... and at eth0 configured. .277 is my client, .4 is my server and .1 is my router but why is in the second paragraph .1 instead of .4? is this normal
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| 19:02 | <fzabala> oh, oh oh
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| 19:03 | when you build a new image
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| 19:03 | <matthias1> fzabala: you know what i mean?
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| 19:03 | <fzabala> I remember having to chmod a couple files
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| 19:03 | because for some reason ltsp messess them up
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| 19:03 | <matthias1> you had the same problem with the ips?
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| 19:03 | <fzabala> you know what I'm talking about?
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| 19:03 | also, have you rebooted tftp ?
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| 19:03 | <matthias1> about chmod yes.
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| 19:04 | <fzabala> ( the service ) after you built the image?
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| 19:04 | <matthias1> yes. and i rebooted my ubunut a couple of times
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| 19:05 | which files had you chmod to work?
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| 19:05 | <fzabala> I can't remember
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| 19:05 | I think it was one of the pxelinux files
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| 19:05 | one that ended in .0 if I'm right
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| 19:06 | <matthias1> causes this the special ip?
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| 19:06 | wich 755 or 777?
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| 19:06 | <fzabala> I think I went for 777
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| 19:06 | just to be sure
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| 19:06 | but, I don't see anything weird on that boot
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| 19:06 | <matthias1> wait a second pls i will do so
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| 19:06 | <fzabala> the double IP is a bit weird, but I don't know what caused it
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| 19:07 | or if it's pointing to some issue
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| 19:09 | <matthias1> fzabala: still the same error
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| 19:12 | fzabala: have you written sth because i switched my router off
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| 19:13 | <fzabala> nope, I was just saying that it's weird
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| 19:13 | never seen the double IP thing, but I don't know if it points to something messed up
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| 19:13 | have you checked the logs?
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| 19:13 | ( server side )
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| 19:16 | <matthias1> yes nothing special
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| 19:21 | <matthias1> fzabala: you know how to disable that it look up the second time for the ip?
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| 19:23 | <vagrantc> ipappend 3
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| 19:23 | !ipappend
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| 19:23 | <ltsp> ipappend: o temporarily solve DHCP problems in the initramfs, try putting IPAPPEND 3 after the APPEND line in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default. More info: http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php/SYSLINUX#IPAPPEND_flag_val_.5BPXELINUX_only.5D
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| 19:30 | <matthias1> ltsp: vagrantc i think just the same error: http://imgur.com/WaJ0xE4
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| 19:30 | after that it opens as normal the busybox
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| 19:33 | <vagrantc> you have any routers on your network, or other things that might be running a dhcp server?
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| 19:33 | <matthias1> yes my router.
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| 19:33 | i'm using dnsmasq on my server
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| 19:35 | <vagrantc> ubuntu?
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| 19:35 | or debian, or...
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| 19:35 | <matthias1> ubuntu 12.04 lts 64 bit
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| 19:36 | <vagrantc> and you ave ipappend3 in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/pxelinux.cfg/default ?
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| 19:36 | er, ipappend 3
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| 19:37 | or are you booting i386 clients?
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| 19:37 | <matthias1> vagrantc: yes, im bootin amd64 clients
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| 19:37 | <vagrantc> i could not lot the image above... can you type out the error message?
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| 19:38 | s/lot/load
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| 19:39 | <matthias1> Setting up nbd-client... Error: Socket failed: Connection refused Exiting. done. and after a few second it starts busybox
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| 19:39 | <vagrantc> and does your dnsmasq onfiguration tell it to use i386 or amd64 for files and such?
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| 19:39 | <matthias1> it tell amd64 files to use. i've got teamviewer you can login
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| 19:40 | <vagrantc> gotta run soon, but hopefully that gets you asking the rigt questions
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| 19:40 | * vagrantc forgets what the NBD configuration is supposed to be for ubuntu 12.04 | |
| 19:41 | <matthias1> can you take a look on my server?
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| 19:41 | <vagrantc> no, i need to go soon
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| 19:41 | <matthias1> i need this server for my school :(
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| 19:42 | <fzabala> vagrant, just a quick question
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| 19:42 | <vagrantc> hopefully others can help
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| 19:42 | <fzabala> I'm trying to sync the booted image ( fat client ) to the local hard drive, just in case the ltsp server goes down
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| 19:43 | but, if I just sync stuff from the client to the drive it doesn't work ( of course )
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| 19:43 | <matthias1> vagrantc: you're the 10th i ask
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| 19:43 | <fzabala> any pointers on how to acomplish this ( if it's even possible ? )
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| 19:44 | <vagrantc> fzabala: definitely possible... you would need to add a bootloader
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| 19:44 | fzabala: but not really supported out of the box
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| 19:45 | fzabala: main thing is you'll need to add init=/sbin/init-ltsp to the bootprompt options
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| 19:46 | matthias1: good luck, i might have more time later
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| 19:46 | <matthias1> im from germany and i have to go to bed soon
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| 19:47 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 19:48 | <vagrantc> fzabala: you could probably dump the raw NBD image to a partition, and then hack up a bootloader configuration for it
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| 19:52 | <fzabala> Oh, damn, I was going to reply, lol
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| 20:01 | <matthias1> bennabiy: http://imgur.com/WrYapal after i changed sth in pxelinux.cf/default
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| 20:06 | <bennabiy> matthias1: It looks like it is failing because you are not telling it which port NBD is on... typically 2001 if I remember correctly
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| 20:06 | you need to set the port
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| 20:07 | NBDPORT=2001 , 2002 or something along that lines
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| 20:08 | <bennabiy> You will need to look up the proper way to put it in the config... It has been a little while since I tried it with a fat client
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| 20:10 | <fzabala> btw. ben, have you read what I'm trying to do?
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| 20:10 | <bennabiy> Can anyone point me in the right direction for fixing my audio issue? It seems that ALSA / Pulse are getting locked up when I run audacity on a client, or after a little time of running VLC
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| 20:10 | I glanced over it
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| 20:12 | <fzabala> any ideas on that?
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| 20:13 | I haven't tried anything with sound over ltsp, so, I'm not youor guy for that
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| 20:13 | <bennabiy> fzabala: Just a thought, if you have the space, you can have a tar repository which is updated over ssh to the fat client after the session is initiated
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| 20:14 | <fzabala> well, that was kind of my idea
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| 20:14 | in a nutshell, I have a image that I want the clients to boot
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| 20:15 | I also have a very similar image created as a clonezilla backup, in case that helps
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| 20:15 | my idea would be to dump the image on the HDD via clonezilla, and then set the boot menu to boot from the network first
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| 20:16 | then update that image when needed with the ltsp client booted
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| 20:16 | but, if I just rsync the files from the client to the host HDD
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| 20:16 | <matthias1> bennabiy: i added nbdport=2000 and nothing changes
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| 20:16 | <fzabala> I can't get it to boot from the HDD ( it get's stuck at ""welcome to grub )
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| 20:17 | <bennabiy> I guess I am not understanding if your goal is for your fat client to take over the role of your server, in case of failure, or just in case the server is unavailable for it to boot from, but still serve as the server in all other applications
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| 20:17 | fzabala: have you tried boot-repair-utility?
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| 20:17 | matthias1: what OS ?
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| 20:18 | <fzabala> the idea is that, in the event of an LTSP server falure, the machine would be able to boot by itself
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| 20:18 | <matthias1> bennabiy: uubuntu 12.04 lts 64-bit
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| 20:18 | bennabiy: have you got teamviewer?
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| 20:18 | <fzabala> mine is debian 7, 32 bit
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| 20:19 | <bennabiy> matthias1: nope. is it vnc ish?
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| 20:19 | fzabala: Basically, you do not want the image then, you want a clone of the server
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| 20:19 | <matthias1> bennabiy: ish?
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| 20:20 | <fzabala> nope
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| 20:20 | I want the client to boot a locally saved copy of the image if the server is not available
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| 20:20 | <bennabiy> matthias1: It is my own vocabulary. vncish = of or relating to VNC
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| 20:20 | <fzabala> I think that's the best way to put it, lol
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| 20:20 | <bennabiy> Here is a thought,
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| 20:21 | <matthias1> yes vnc but i would need portforwarding?
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| 20:21 | <bennabiy> Make your fat client also a tftp server to localhost, and put in your dhcp.conf as a secondary server to failover to localhost
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| 20:21 | <fzabala> O_O
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| 20:22 | <matthias1> bennabiy: rdp?
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| 20:22 | <fzabala> oh, ok, no, that wouldn't work if the primary server failed
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| 20:22 | for a sec I thought you were some kind of LTSP mad-genius
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| 20:23 | <bennabiy> matthias1: I have remmina, which can view vnc , rdp etc
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| 20:23 | mad, yes, genius, no
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| 20:23 | <matthias1> ok wait a second i'll give you the adress of my vm
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| 20:24 | can i write a kind of personal message in irc?
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| 20:24 | <bennabiy> matthias1: I almost wonder if you need to start from scratch, and follow a set order in setting up. I have found this works
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| 20:25 | <matthias1> bennabiy: jasny.dd-dns.de:3389
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| 20:28 | <bennabiy> fzabala: I think I see what you are saying now...
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| 20:31 | matthias1: do you have a dual nic setup?
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| 20:32 | <matthias1> no, but it worked fine without the proxy dhcp in fatclient modus, but with dnsmasq there problems
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| 20:32 | you clould connect now to my server if you want
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| 20:34 | <bennabiy> One thing that helps if you are doing rdp is to disable backgrounds etc.
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| 20:35 | <matthias1> bennabiy: what i will take a smaller resolution
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| 20:37 | <bennabiy> Matthias1: are you running 12.04 server or desktop?
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| 20:37 | <matthias1> bennabiy: desktop
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| 20:37 | <bennabiy> in a VM?
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| 20:37 | <fzabala> I didn't think it would be so hard to pull off, tho'
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| 20:37 | <matthias1> yes 8 cores 8gb ram
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| 20:38 | <bennabiy> Is the VM your ltsp server? and you are connecting a vm client to it?
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| 20:39 | <matthias1> my ltsp server is in a vm and i've got a "real" client and a Client in a vm -> 2 clients
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| 20:39 | bennabiy: you can reconnect
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| 20:39 | <bennabiy> matthias1: connected
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| 20:40 | <matthias1> bennabiy: ok
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| 20:40 | do you do sth? because i just see my unity dash on the left
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| 20:41 | <bennabiy> fzabala: if you actually set up a boot partition on your fat client, then updated that based on the server image, and then issued a grub update after each update on the fat client, it might work
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| 20:41 | <Z4PP3r> Hyperbyte, I got it working with MATE perfectly! however i did this on a Pentium 4, so im gonna try to set it up again on a slightly faster computer now! I finally understand how this works :D
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| 20:42 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 20:42 | <matthias1> bennabiy: can ou check the condig files?
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| 20:55 | <Z4PP3r> so, how can i setup to automatically boot clients with 32 and 64 bit?
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| 20:56 | <matthias1> bennabiy: back in irc
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| 20:57 | <bennabiy> matthias1: I saw you logged out
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| 20:58 | Did you get my message?
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| 20:58 | <matthias1> yes some problems , no i did not
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| 20:58 | <bennabiy> in IRC,
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| 20:58 | <matthias1> no i did not get a message
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| 20:58 | <bennabiy> hrm.
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| 20:59 | <fzabala> see you people
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| 20:59 | <matthias1> bennabiy: i do restart
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| 21:00 | <bennabiy> bye fzabala
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| 21:00 | <matthias1> bennabiy: now it should work
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| 21:05 | <bennabiy> well, bye for now everyone
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| 21:05 | <matthias1> good bye people
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