00:00 | <alkisg> Ouch... in Precise, thin client sessions no longer contain LTSP_CLIENT etc for me
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00:04 | stgraber: X51-opengl: export CLIENT_ENV="$(ClIENT_ENV) LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=true"
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00:05 | Typo there, ruining all the environment
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00:05 | (small case L in ClIENT)
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00:06 | I'll file a bug, so that you get notified, as it's really late in the cycle...
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00:09 | <vagrantc> ugh.
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00:09 | visually tricky to see.
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00:11 | * alkisg ==> pumpkin :) | |
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00:12 | <vagrantc> could prepare an upload tomorrow, probably.
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00:12 | ah, and it's only applied when LDM_DIRECTX is in use...
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01:19 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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01:55 | <highvoltage> hallo
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08:45 | <mealstrom> hi, im with nfs_home problem again (server: ubuntu 10.04 i386, client ubuntu 10.10 i386).
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08:48 | (client side): function configure_home from /usr/share/ltsp/ltsp-init-common -- works ok when i run it manualy. it mounts home and adds record to /etc/fstab . All parameters that are exported is ok.
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08:50 | i've event add to /etc/init.d/nfshome start script with "mount -t nfs4 -o proto=tcp,port=2049,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,bg,user,exec 192.168.2.244:/ /home" that works too if it is run manualy. From lts.conf RCFILE_01=/etc/init.d/nfshome . (tried both /etc/init.d/nfshome start and just executable )
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08:51 | dont know why it doesnt work (
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08:55 | <alkisg> And if you put just an echo in the top of /etc/init.d/nfshome, does it work? E.g.:
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08:55 | date > /tmp/nfshome.$$
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08:56 | I.e. are you sure that this file does indeed get executed?
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09:15 | <supersensitive> Heyy
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09:16 | I got sound working over rdp but if i stream any thing its choppy if i playback a downloaded file its fine. Any thing i can do??
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09:17 | A Flash video was the conditions in question
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09:18 | <mealstrom> alkisg: it isnt executed. ive tryed with echo. and why it isnt i dont know
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09:19 | <alkisg> mealstrom: did you redirect the output of echo in a file? Because it might not show up in screen otherwise...
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09:19 | <mealstrom> i even tryed to add this script with update-rc.d -- but no luck
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09:19 | alkisg: ive made > /tmp/somelog
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09:20 | <alkisg> OK. Again, are you completely sure that all these show up in `getltscfg -a` ?
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09:21 | <mealstrom> RCFILE_01="/etc/init.d/nfshome" at RCFILE_01="/etc/init.d/nfshome"
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09:21 | *at getltscfg -a
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09:22 | all variables are exported and are shown at client
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09:22 | <alkisg> And that file is executable, right? chmod +x etc...
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09:22 | <mealstrom> yes. ive checked this
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09:23 | <alkisg> And you ran ltsp-update-image.... ok just making sure about the basic stuff
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09:23 | <mealstrom> yes. i've done this. and on client it has +x
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09:25 | <alkisg> Does the client have direct access to the internet? E.g. with NAT from the server?
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09:25 | <mealstrom> yes. it has
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09:25 | <supersensitive> I mean short of upgrading to 10 gig ethernet :-))
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09:25 | <alkisg> mealstrom: I can't think of anything specifically, but do you want me to have a quick look on the booted client?
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09:25 | !socat-screen
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09:25 | <ltsp> alkisg: socat-screen: to share a local thin client shell with a remote person, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Troubleshooting/socat-screen
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09:26 | <supersensitive> Which i have been playing with the idea but will the clients even have nic driver
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09:26 | <alkisg> mealstrom: There's no need to do all the stuff in the wiki page, 2 commands are needed only to share a client shell
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09:27 | sudo apt-get --yes install socat screen
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09:27 | socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:alkisg.dyndns.org:25547 & screen -l -S ra
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09:27 | (locally on the client)
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09:29 | <supersensitive> Any 1 ? ?
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09:30 | The lines is not at fault tthat is. a corperate 10 meg up 10 meg down
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09:31 | <alkisg> supersensitive: try xfreerdp
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09:33 | <supersensitive> I will look
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09:33 | Tnx
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09:41 | So will that be ok for vbox / m$ terminal servers rdp
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09:42 | I just need to phaten my thin client?
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09:43 | <alkisg> You don't need to phaten anything, it's just a newer rdesktop replacement
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09:43 | mealstrom: you check for ${1} = start in your RCFILE
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09:43 | But LTSP doesn't call it with a parameter
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09:43 | <mealstrom> yes, it parameter start
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09:43 | like /etc/init.d/mynfshome start
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09:44 | <alkisg> Yes, but again, LTSP won't call it with a parametr
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09:44 | So it won't mount your nfs dir
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09:44 | Nor echo anything in /tmp
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09:44 | <mealstrom> i've tryed it just like a mount string
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09:44 | with no luck
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09:44 | <supersensitive> Surely you would have to implant the replacement to /opt/srv and update the image.
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09:44 | <mealstrom> like mount -t nfs4 .... /home
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09:44 | <alkisg> supersensitive: depending on your distro/version, dunno what you use
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09:46 | <mealstrom> configure_home fucntion is what you saw at /tmp/ttt
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09:46 | <alkisg> mealstrom: did you scp ttt from your server, or did you put it in the chroot?
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09:47 | <mealstrom> client side): function configure_home from /usr/share/ltsp/ltsp-init-common -- works ok when i run it manualy. it mounts home and adds record to /etc/fstab . All parameters that are exported is ok.
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09:47 | i've created ttt on client to test what system do
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09:47 | <alkisg> OK, so you still don't have any scripts in your chroot that would work with RCFILE
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09:48 | Create one, that doesn't need any parameters, run ltsp-update-image, and put RCFILE in lts.conf as you have now
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09:48 | <mealstrom> i've got /etc/init.d/nfshome at chroot
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09:48 | <alkisg> As I said, that won't work because it needs a parameter
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09:48 | And LTSP doesn't pass a "start" parameter to RCFILEs
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09:48 | <mealstrom> ive tryed without paramers
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09:48 | <alkisg> Try again
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09:48 | <mealstrom> ok.
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09:48 | <alkisg> So that I can see what went wrong
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09:49 | <mealstrom> please notice that ive add nfshome to rc.d
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09:49 | <alkisg> OK, but we're not troubleshooting init now
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09:49 | We're trying to do it the ltsp -way
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09:49 | <mealstrom> ok
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09:50 | <alkisg> Also no, it's not in rc.d
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09:51 | <supersensitive> Fyi i use debian sid ific
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09:54 | So just chroot into the client directory and indtall from apt
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09:54 | <alkisg> Then xfreerdp should be the default, afaik
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09:54 | <supersensitive> Oo
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09:55 | Hehe
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09:57 | Hmmmmnm just had a thought as its a vm i am thibg maybe flash plugin needs to run with no gfx/sound acceleration
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09:58 | Excuse typos this screen is not big enough
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10:12 | Also curious if the ltsp-sound thingy makes any consideration regarding quality
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10:13 | Lower qual would not concern me in this outset but i suspect it going to be the equiv of raw
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10:14 | <alkisg> supersensitive: first, try to get the results you want from a non-ltsp client
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10:15 | Once you've solved all you rdp-related problems, whatever remains is an ltsp issue
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10:15 | ...which I suspect there isn't :)
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10:15 | E.g. try raising the default rdp quality with -lan or -x or -whatever options
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10:15 | * alkisg isn't using rdp | |
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10:25 | <mealstrom> alkisg: no luck with init.d
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10:26 | <alkisg> mealstrom: what are the current script contents?
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10:26 | !pastebin
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10:26 | <ltsp> alkisg: pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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10:26 | <mealstrom> 2 lines: mount -t nfs4 -o proto=tcp,port=2049,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,bg,user,exec 192.168.2.244:/ /home
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10:26 | echo "Done mounting NFSHOME script" > /tmp/nfsmount
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10:26 | <alkisg> No #!/bin/sh at the top?
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10:27 | <mealstrom> #!/bin/bash - first one
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10:27 | ive made grep -v "#". sorry
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10:27 | <alkisg> If you run `service ltsp-client-setup start`, do you get /tmp/nfsmount ?
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10:28 | <mealstrom> no i dont
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10:28 | <alkisg> Weird, can you connect to me with socat again?
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10:29 | <mealstrom> yes. wait 1 min plz
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10:30 | done
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10:35 | <alkisg> mealstrom: remove the comments from your lts.conf and try again
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10:35 | <mealstrom> ok
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10:37 | <alkisg> !ltsp-bug
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10:37 | <ltsp> alkisg: ltsp-bug: To file a bug report for upstream LTSP, go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp
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10:37 | <alkisg> mealstrom: file a bug in upstream ltsp, mentioning that eval $(getltscfg -a) has problems with spaces
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10:37 | *with comments, sorry
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10:37 | eval $(echo "echo one
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10:37 | > #comment
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10:37 | > echo two")
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10:37 | one
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10:37 | <mealstrom> ok
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10:37 | i saw it
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10:37 | tnx
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10:37 | <alkisg> It needs to be quoted to work
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10:38 | It's very weird that noone saw it yet
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10:39 | Ah
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10:39 | getltscfg -a isn't supposed to return comments
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10:40 | So there's something in your (previous) lts.conf that confuses getltscfg
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10:50 | <JensenDan> Hello all of you.. now the srv is up and running smooth (exept a little hardware error ;)) BUT. when i just pust the button on the client machine, and it closes down. the ltsp server ends the session. how to prevent that? i want it so if i open gedit on the terminal client, then logout and in again, then i want gedit to still be open..
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10:54 | anyone?
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10:55 | <alkisg> It's not possible with stock X windows
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10:55 | So you either need an X proxy, or to use NX, or VNC, etc
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10:56 | <JensenDan> ffs :-/
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10:57 | iam used to Windows terminal server. and now want to hook this up. to see if it is that much better.. so far so good. seems good. just that end session issue, and that the logon time is very slow.. and when i hook up eth0 with my router i loose acces to the server..
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10:59 | what seems to be the best soulution X proxy ore nx?
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10:59 | <alkisg> How much slow? More than 30 seconds?
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10:59 | <JensenDan> no. i dont think it is slower than 30 sec.
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10:59 | <alkisg> The ethX problem is probably just a setup issue
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11:00 | <JensenDan> yeah.. iam aware of that, that is also the smallest of them.
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11:00 | <alkisg> I haven't tried either X proxies (too unmaintained) nor NX for LAN (too slow)
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11:00 | <JensenDan> i believe that if it dosent end the session, the login time would be much less.
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11:01 | is that NX a standalone program like vnc?
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11:01 | <alkisg> Yes
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11:01 | Of course you can run that like an ltsp screen
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11:01 | <JensenDan> omg.. how come there is not support for not killing the session :s that is one very importent thing in a ts setup :s
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11:02 | and that nx, you have to pay for, tight?
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11:02 | <alkisg> No
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11:02 | <JensenDan> hmm..
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11:02 | so, if i use this NX.. then i can trow away the ltsp server?
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11:02 | <alkisg> If you have other means to boot your clients, sure
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11:03 | Or you can still netboot them with ltsp, and use nx on top of it
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11:03 | <JensenDan> but, that nx is very slow?
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11:03 | <alkisg> It's like windows rdp
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11:03 | X is much faster than both of them
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11:04 | <JensenDan> in my setup i think x is slower then windows rdp would do the login.
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11:04 | <alkisg> Try playing a full screen video on those two
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11:05 | !directx
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11:05 | <ltsp> alkisg: directx: If you want to turn off encryption to the workstation, which will speed up performance at the cost of security, you need to specify LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file. Type !docs in IRC to get a link to the current documentation
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11:06 | <JensenDan> hmm. let me get this straight.. if i want to keep the session, i need to install nx ? and that can run on top og ltsp? is it hard to setup?
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11:06 | <alkisg> If you install e.g. x2go (one of the nx implementations) in your ltsp server, then you can have resumable sessions on that server from any other OS
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11:07 | !x2go
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11:07 | <ltsp> alkisg: Error: "x2go" is not a valid command.
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11:07 | <alkisg> Anyway google for x2go
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11:07 | <JensenDan> "from any other os" .. i hope i still can do the PXE boot ?
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11:08 | <alkisg> Sure
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11:08 | x2go is not related to LTSP or to how your clients boot
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11:08 | <JensenDan> nice.. does that x2go give more options to set up user rights?
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11:08 | <alkisg> User rights are related to linux in general
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11:09 | So no, I don't think a remote desktop program changes linux rights
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11:10 | <JensenDan> hmm. all right.. maybe it is just me. but if you know win rdp. then you know the rights to "Dont show this computer" and so on.. is that possible in ubuntu/ltsp?
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11:10 | <alkisg> No I don't know what "don't show this computer" is
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11:10 | What does it do?
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11:12 | <JensenDan> | |
11:14 | <alkisg> You can hide desktop shortcuts from windows groups?! I don't think so...
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11:14 | Just try to explain what you want to do in linux
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11:14 | <JensenDan> | |
11:15 | ltsp is the group name..
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11:16 | <alkisg> But there's no terminal shortcut in LTSP
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11:16 | You login with that
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11:17 | <JensenDan> ehm.. ill try on another way.. the "system" tap in the top panel. i dont want the 10 users in that group to see that tap.
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11:17 | now i have installed the x2go.
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11:17 | <alkisg> If you want to edit the menus per group, use the edubuntu menu editor
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11:18 | But it doesn't make much sense, people can run the apps from a terminal anyway
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11:18 | Better rely on groups permissions themselves, not on hidden menus...
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11:19 | <elias_a> alkisg: Those who can use terminal deserve better service :)
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11:19 | <JensenDan> yes that is what i want :D the group permission, but i cant find it ? :)
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11:19 | <alkisg> JensenDan: again, try to say exactly what you're after
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11:19 | First you said the login
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11:19 | Then to hide the menus
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11:19 | Now you're saying about group permissions
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11:19 | Give a specific example...
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11:19 | <JensenDan> yes.. but i meant hide the menus with group rights. iam sorry :(
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11:20 | <alkisg> So you don't want the proper solution, you just want to hide the menus
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11:20 | <JensenDan> that was what i was talking about with the win rdp "dont show blabla.."
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11:20 | <alkisg> OK, run edubuntu-menu-editor
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11:21 | <JensenDan> i would also like to know where to find the group permissions :P
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11:21 | <alkisg> elias_a: hehe, true, I keep waiting for a student of mine to crack the whole system, so that I can make him sysadmin :D
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11:21 | JensenDan: for general linux stuff, better ask in your distro channel, or just google it
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11:21 | <JensenDan> Fair :)
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11:22 | the ltsp problem with the eth0 and eth1 setup (so that i can have internet even if iam testing from client side)
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11:22 | <andygraybeal> is everyone running 12.04 with gnome-failback or without?
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11:22 | <elias_a> alkisg: Real attitude! :D
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11:22 | <alkisg> andygraybeal: everyone? or anyone? :D
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11:22 | <andygraybeal> yay, words :P
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11:22 | * alkisg really prefers gnome-fallback | |
11:22 | <andygraybeal> it doesn't[ matter; anyone, everyone.
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11:22 | <JensenDan> is the problem, that the eth0 "gets adress from router" and the eth1 has the same ip range?
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11:22 | eth1 is fixed.
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11:22 | but it is 2 diffrent networks.
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11:23 | cable from router into server, and cable from server onto switch witch the client also are connected to.
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11:23 | <alkisg> pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces
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11:23 | <andygraybeal> alkisg, okay rock'in. thanks
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11:23 | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_precise_desktop&num=1 <-- this article came up on reddit, ubuntu 12.04slows down desktop
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11:24 | <alkisg> Not only ubuntu
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11:24 | Gnome 3 and KDE 4 and *compositors slow it down too
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11:24 | <JensenDan> http://pastebin.com/YpiGEmTz
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11:24 | <alkisg> auto eht1 => typo
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11:24 | Also you really don't want both dhcp AND static address
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11:25 | <JensenDan> auto eht1 => typo ? you mean?
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11:25 | <alkisg> eth, not eht
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11:25 | <JensenDan> so i delete the auto eth1 ?
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11:25 | Oh :D
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11:32 | <JensenDan> that simple little typo was the internet problem.. nice.
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11:32 | so far so good.. thanks a lot.. now i have installed the x2go and the client booted into the ltsp logon screen..
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11:32 | what then? :)
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11:33 | <alkisg> First try it by logging in and running it manually to see if it does what you want
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11:34 | Then if you want to use it with LTSP you'll need to create a custom 'screen script'
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11:39 | <JensenDan> so far so good. network with clients booting
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11:43 | <JensenDan> hmm
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11:43 | hardware crash on server.. the screen gets totally fucked up.. i think it is hardware fault .
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11:44 | <JensenDan> but it happens in connection with client logon :s
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11:44 | btw..
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11:44 | after reboot it dosent set the static ip on the eth1 and beacuse of that dosent start the dhcp3 :s
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11:45 | i have changed the typo..
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11:47 | <alkisg> (02:24:55 μμ) alkisg: Also you really don't want both dhcp AND static address
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11:49 | <JensenDan> i have changed it.. and think it works now..
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11:50 | yep..
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11:52 | working like a charm now.. back to the last problem.. the x2go.. it is installed. do i need to config anything somwhere to get on top of ltsp? so that it is the x2go session i login with?
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11:53 | <alkisg> (02:33:37 μμ) JensenDan έφυγε από το δωμάτιο (quit: Quit: Leaving).
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11:53 | (02:33:51 μμ) alkisg: First try it by logging in and running it manually to see if it does what you want
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11:53 | (02:34:12 μμ) alkisg: Then if you want to use it with LTSP you'll need to create a custom 'screen script'
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11:54 | <JensenDan> shit, custom screen script? sound pretty hard :D
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11:56 | <mealstrom> works: LDM_SESSION="gnome-session" # --session=ubuntu-2d"
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11:56 | dont work: LDM_SESSION="gnome-session"
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11:56 | dont work: LDM_SESSION="gnome-session --session=ubuntu-2d"
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11:57 | how to fix that works , that would be without comment ?
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11:58 | <alkisg> !ubuntu-2d
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11:58 | <ltsp> alkisg: ubuntu-2d: To select ubuntu-2d as your default session, put this line in your lts.conf: LDM_SESSION="gnome-session --session=ubuntu-2d"
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11:59 | <alkisg> On previous versions LDM_SESSION had problems, you need to download a patch
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11:59 | <mealstrom> omg
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12:02 | in what version is was fixed?
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12:03 | im using 5.2.1
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12:04 | <andygraybeal> will there be an option to give users the choice of failback mode or new mode?
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12:04 | if thhey don't like one, they can use the other?
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12:11 | <mealstrom> Fixed in LTSP 5.3.
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12:20 | <JensenDan> that x2go could do the trick... how do i then make that screen script? :/
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12:38 | <mgariepy> good morning everyone
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12:39 | <elias_a> Good aftenoon all you who walketh upside down!
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13:51 | <jgx> I'm considering using LTSP clients with softphones into a freeswitch pbx .. Will it work 'out of the box'? Any LTSP gotchas/hints I should be aware of? Local devices appear enabled (usb flash drives work).
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13:56 | <dead_inside> we use ltsp here with twinkle as the softphone and the tech's report the softphone has better quality then the polycom HDvoice phones at their desks
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13:57 | so its should work fine for you jgx
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13:57 | <elias_a> dead_inside: What is twinkle?
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13:58 | <dead_inside> http://mfnboer.home.xs4all.nl/twinkle/index.html
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13:58 | <dead_inside> it has a very nice GUI for the techs
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13:59 | <elias_a> dead_inside: Thank you!
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13:59 | <dead_inside> np
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14:00 | however we do host our own PSTN gateway so i cant say for sure how well twinkle works with freeswitch
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14:01 | <jgx> dead_inside, Thanks. I've used twinkle on system testing in the past so that's good to know.
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14:01 | <dead_inside> np, hope it works as well for you as it does for us
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17:55 | <vagrantc> stgraber: i can try and get a new ldm uploaded tonight or tomorrow morning...
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18:11 | <stgraber> vagrantc: that'd be great, thanks!
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19:08 | <pari> Hi,I have followed instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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19:08 | but I am not able the client to boot
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19:09 | kindly help
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