IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 22 January 2007 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | <vagrantc> and figure out ways to make the maintenance steps needed ... maintainable
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| 00:00 | <ball> maintainable maintainability eh?
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| 00:00 | brb
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| 02:22 | <dan__t> 'morning.
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| 02:23 | So I've made the jump from Windows to a nice little LTSP environment. However, some people still have documents on their local drives, which need to be recovered and used under the LTSP setup. What have you guys done, as far as using maybe autmount and such, to recover documents and files this way from local drives?
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| 02:23 | I want to make the process as simple as a drag-and-drop thing through nautilus or some such
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| 02:56 | <vagrantc> dan__t: you should be able to use ltspfs ... need to modify the udev rules to mount the local drives (ltspfs is usually only for removable devices)
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| 03:07 | <dan__t> ah ok.
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| 03:07 | You see what I'm getting at though?
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| 03:08 | <vagrantc> yes, i think so.
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| 03:08 | <dan__t> okie.
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| 03:08 | I'll look into that.
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| 03:08 | What about setting program defaults, like maybe default bookmarks for Firefox and such
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| 03:09 | <vagrantc> set the defaults in /etc for whatever programs ... the users will inherit them and be able to override the defaults in the dotfiles int heir home directory
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| 03:10 | <dan__t> defaults on the system's /etc, or from the default ltsp /etc root?
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| 03:10 | I'm still trying to figure out how the server's directoryy root differs from the exported LTSP directory root
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| 03:11 | <vagrantc> on the system's /etc if your users are logging into the server and running applications on the server, which is a typical LTSP setup
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| 03:11 | <dan__t> Sure.
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| 03:12 | <dan__t> From what I understand, when the client is booted, it mounts via NFS the typical /opt/ltsp/i386/ root on the cleints' /, correct?
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| 03:12 | <vagrantc> right.
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| 03:13 | <dan__t> So how does installing an application on the server itself, become available to the clients immediately?
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| 03:13 | <vagrantc> because you log into the server.
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| 03:13 | <dan__t> Yeah.
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| 03:13 | er.
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| 03:13 | ok, i see it.
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| 03:13 | then why does the client even bother to mount it's root via nfs from /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 03:14 | just to appease the internals of the booting Linux kernel?
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| 03:14 | <vagrantc> to load the programs that make it possible to connect to the server
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| 03:14 | <dan__t> I've not looked into what exists inside of the LTSP install root yet heh
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| 03:14 | Ok, I hope these questions aren't completely dumb, sorry.
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| 03:14 | It's sinking in now though ;)
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| 03:15 | <vagrantc> basically, it runs X ... and either through a protocol called XDMCP or SSH X11 Forwarding, it logs the user into the server, where all the programs are run ...
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| 03:15 | <dan__t> Yeah, I understand that much.
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| 03:16 | Ok, cool.
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| 03:16 | <vagrantc> typically the only thing that runs on the thin-client is X (and maybe a sound daemon for sound support, ltspfsd for local device support, etc)
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| 03:16 | <dan__t> word.
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| 03:16 | ok cool.
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| 03:18 | I think there's yet a bit of confusion because this is nothing like anything I've done before.
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| 03:18 | So I'm not really in that mindset yet you know?
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| 03:18 | <vagrantc> sure it is :P
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| 03:18 | <dan__t> haha
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| 03:18 | <vagrantc> have you ever used a web application?
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| 03:18 | <dan__t> I understand the whole client-server paradigm, and how X works - just not in this particular application.
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| 03:21 | <vagrantc> from a conceptual standpoint, it's not much different than using a web browser to check your email via a web application ... the browser is basically like X, in that it provies an environment to display the application that is running on another computer ...
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| 03:21 | <dan__t> Yes, I understand.
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| 03:22 | <vagrantc> the the only real difference between a thin-client and booting off a hard drive is that the root filesystem is mounted over NFS instead of from a hard drive.
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| 03:22 | <dan__t> yep.
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| 03:22 | I see it.
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| 03:23 | <vagrantc> you could configure a hard-drived system to work just like an LTSP thin-client... but why bother :)
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| 03:23 | <dan__t> heheh
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| 03:24 | <vagrantc> seeing an environment set up that way in 2000/2001 actually is what got me started developing thin-client software ...
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| 03:24 | <dan__t> Very cool.
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| 03:24 | <vagrantc> as one of the hard drives died.
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| 03:24 | <dan__t> Are you a developer of LTSP?
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| 03:26 | <vagrantc> i've been working on the muekow/5.0 implementation for debian (and work pretty closely with the ubuntu folks)
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| 03:26 | <dan__t> Very cool.
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| 03:28 | <vagrantc> we've also tried to get other distros to share a common code base for LTSP 5.0 implementations ...
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| 03:31 | <dan__t> I'm looking for a way to fax from CUPS. I've come across fax4CUPS, and a few other KDE-specific implementations, but nothing rock solid. Don't suppose you would be able to recommend anything, eh?
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| 03:42 | <ogra> vagrantc, hrm ... ltsp-update-kernels for powerpc is totally broken
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| 03:42 | <vagrantc> ogra: you're the one with powerpc hardware :P
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| 03:43 | <ogra> it apparently keeps the tftp path in fron to the real path while linking
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| 03:43 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 03:43 | <ogra> so you end up with a link to /var/lib/tftpboot/./opt/ltsp/powerpc/boot/yaboot in the tftpdir
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| 03:43 | <vagrantc> i seem to recall it needing something weird...
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| 03:44 | really, we just need to fix yaboot.
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| 03:44 | <ogra> yaboot is fine
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| 03:44 | the script has a bug
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| 03:44 | <vagrantc> yes and no
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| 03:44 | yaboot requires it's configuration files in a static location.
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| 03:44 | which makes it very difficult to do in a clean way.
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| 03:44 | <ogra> it sets the wrong link ... somehow it keeps ./ in there ... and since it cd's into /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp it prefixes the yaboot link with it
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| 03:45 | <vagrantc> but while it's stupid like that, we have to fix our workaround.
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| 03:45 | <ogra> no, the current yaboot seems to work fine from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/powerpc
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| 03:45 | thats not the issue
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| 03:45 | <vagrantc> oh REALLY ?
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| 03:45 | <ogra> yes, apparently
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| 03:45 | <vagrantc> so then ... let's yank the ugly ugly code.
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| 03:45 | <ogra> i have no other yaboot or yaboot.conf lying around
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| 03:46 | its just the linking code
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| 03:46 | <vagrantc> well, the linking code is merely a workaround for that weird behavior ...
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| 03:46 | <ogra> hmm, k
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| 03:47 | just for you to note for etch ...
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| 03:47 | <vagrantc> and if that weird behavior is no longer needed ... then we can do it the same way we do for pxelinux
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| 03:47 | <ogra> i still have plenty of time to fix it in feisty
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| 03:47 | <vagrantc> sure.
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| 03:47 | <ogra> argh ...
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| 03:47 | <vagrantc> though, really ... i need powerpc machines to test it on ....
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| 03:47 | <ogra> grmbl
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| 03:47 | * ogra tries to set a root pw in the powerpc chroot ... | |
| 03:48 | <ogra> silly silly me ...
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| 03:48 | <vagrantc> i would be happy to work on patches if you'd be willing to test them (even if only on ubuntu)
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| 03:48 | <ogra> ah, wait ... i can just copy the passwd file from te i38 chroot
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| 03:49 | <vagrantc> and export your root password's hash over NFS ?
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| 03:49 | <ogra> indeed, i can test them ... shouldnt be a prob, my ppc is unused anyway ... apart from travelling
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| 03:49 | <vagrantc> oh, i386 chroot ...
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| 03:50 | ogra: so, you're certain it works fine as /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/powerpc/yaboot.conf ?
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| 03:50 | <ogra> at least it does at the moment ...
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| 03:50 | <vagrantc> and... can we specify kernel + initrd relative to that directory?
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| 03:50 | <ogra> i'm just poking around in a freshly booted ppc client
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| 03:51 | my yaboot.conf has /ltsp/powerpc/vmlinux and the corresponding initrd entry
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| 03:51 | <vagrantc> ok ...
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| 03:52 | not as nice as pxelinux, but still better ...
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| 03:53 | ogra: so ... how does yaboot know to look for /ltsp/powerpc/yaboot.conf ?
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| 03:54 | <ogra> no idea ... it just does it
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| 03:54 | <vagrantc> and there's no symlinks anywhere?
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| 03:54 | <ogra> nope
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| 03:56 | <vagrantc> well then ... i think we can just yank the yaboot code from server/ltsp-update-kernels (it's all handled in the client/update-kernels bit)
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| 03:57 | <ogra> ok
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| 03:57 | i'll try that if i get home
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| 03:57 | i need it working now for some other stuff and cant play around
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| 03:57 | <vagrantc> and then i have to wonder if that'll work on etch ... maybe some of the debian-edu folks will be able to test
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| 04:03 | <ogra> ooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh
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| 04:03 | now thats waaay cool
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| 04:03 | i see *all* partitions of my ibook on the desktop :)
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| 04:04 | * ogra hugs ltspfs | |
| 04:04 | <vagrantc> heh.
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| 04:04 | <ogra> even though it probably should get pattern matching to not mount "bootstrap"
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| 04:04 | <vagrantc> dan__t: maybe you don't have to make any tweaks to udev to show local devices
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| 04:04 | <ogra> i never had the opportunity to test that code, its the first time i boot something eith lical HD
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| 04:05 | <vagrantc> talk about a slick rescue-recovery system.
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| 04:05 | <ogra> *with local HD
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| 04:05 | sbalneav developed all of that ... and only he tested it ....
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| 04:05 | <vagrantc> looking at the udev rule, i suspected it would work with local devices too
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| 04:07 | any block device with a filesystem, looks like to me.
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| 04:07 | <ogra> sure, local devs work anyway
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| 04:08 | the problem were the static devices ... they have special dedicated code ...
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| 04:08 | <vagrantc> right. the delayed mount stuff
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| 04:09 | <ogra> you need a list of found devices in .static-mounts or so ...
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| 04:09 | the prb is that this list is generated from the initramfs initially ... then copied to /var/run ....
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| 04:09 | <vagrantc> ogra: so, did having the broken symlinks actually cause it to fail to boot ?
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| 04:09 | <ogra> i was never sure it survived the remounting of /var/run
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| 04:09 | nope
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| 04:10 | these symlinks seem not to be used at all
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| 04:10 | <vagrantc> so, worst case scenario, the broken symlinks are just ugly.
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| 04:10 | <ogra> yep
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| 04:10 | <vagrantc> needless.
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| 04:10 | <vagrantc> well, that's good to know.
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| 04:11 | for being one of the debian maintainers of ltspfs ... it sure is a lot of black magic to me.
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| 04:12 | <vagrantc> well, i understand the packaging side. but how it actually works ... aieee!
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| 05:01 | <cliebow> ogra:your dhcpd.conf did fine..mine had the same info..the arp resolution slowed everything to a crawl
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| 05:02 | <cliebow> for nfs i had to tweak the root path to add host ip
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| 05:04 | i cant see why mine would boot g3 but not g4..maybe just impatience? but i let it go forever it seems like
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| 06:32 | <mhterres> hey guys
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| 06:32 | good morning/afternoon/night :-)
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| 06:33 | <mhterres> hey, I'm having a proble
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| 06:33 | m
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| 06:34 | <mhterres> when a thin client logoff, the GDM is not opening, the system stay in X, without calling any windows manager
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| 06:35 | and in ltspadmin the gdm appears like not running :-/
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| 06:35 | But if I turn off the computer without logoff no problems
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| 06:36 | so, if I logoff, X don't work anymore
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| 06:36 | very strange
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| 06:36 | hi jammcq
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| 06:37 | I didn't notice you are here :-)
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| 06:56 | <mhterres> kdm does not have this problem
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| 07:19 | <asd> hi
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| 07:20 | i have debian etch with a ltsp network
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| 07:21 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> ?
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| 07:21 | <asd> but with WS i can see in the desktop the USB drive but is empty
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| 07:21 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> when you put the USB it appears at the home?
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| 07:22 | <asd> excuse for my english :/
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| 07:22 | <cliebow_> asd: you have toi go thru the 12 step program at wiki.ltsp.org?
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| 07:22 | <asd> in the desktop it appear
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| 07:22 | but is empty
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| 07:23 | <asd> cliebow: yes
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| 07:23 | cliebow:_ yes
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| 07:24 | permissions?
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| 07:24 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> a minute
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| 07:24 | <asd> or fuse?
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| 07:25 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> at the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.localdev
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| 07:25 | change it: /bin/ltspfsd ${LTSPFSD_OPTIONS}
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| 07:25 | to it: /bin/ltspfsd -a ${LTSPFSD_OPTIONS}
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| 07:25 | and try again
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| 07:26 | asd: where are you from?
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| 07:26 | <asd> ok, only reseting the X?
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| 07:26 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> no.. boot again
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| 07:26 | <asd> the server?
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| 07:26 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> no...
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| 07:26 | the station
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| 07:27 | <asd> ah... ok ;)
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| 07:27 | wait
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| 07:27 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> ok
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| 07:29 | <asd> hi
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| 07:29 | <asd> nothing :_(
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| 07:29 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> asd: where are you from?
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| 07:29 | asd: so... it works here... it was the same problem
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| 07:30 | <asd> in the gnome desktop appear the USB drive but is empty
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| 07:30 | im from spain...
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| 07:30 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> asd: I don't know how to help you.. we are using KDE... and at the Konqueror it mounts and appears the archives
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| 07:31 | <asd> how to i can make a manual mount?
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| 07:31 | <rgusso-ltsp-br> kaminski-ltsp-br: hi
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| 07:32 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> rgusso-ltsp-br: hi ;)
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| 07:32 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> asd: ?
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| 07:32 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> asd: do you want to write a manual?
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| 07:33 | <asd> yes
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| 07:34 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> asd: following the stesps at wiki.ltsp.org I think it works... you can write the manual and send it to me...
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| 07:35 | <asd> i already have two network with ltsp in debian eth but in that i downt know wath happen
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| 07:36 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> asd: and in the others the usb mount works?
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| 07:36 | <asd> yes, perfectly
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| 07:37 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> asd: strange ;)
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| 07:37 | <asd> i put this /usr/sbin/lbus_event_handler.sh add block /tmp 1024 Temp
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| 07:38 | but the desktop Temp directory is empty
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| 07:50 | <dan__t> My goddam T1 is down at work. Again.
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| 08:00 | <jammcq> g'morning
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| 08:01 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> mornin'
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| 08:01 | <dan__t> 'morning.
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| 08:03 | nothing terribly good about it, however ;)
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| 08:03 | <pscheie> morning all
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| 08:03 | <dan__t> howdy.
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| 08:04 | <mhterres> hey, I'm using Ubuntu 6.06 with ltsp4.2
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| 08:05 | <jammcq> ok
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| 08:05 | Gadi: g'morning
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| 08:05 | <mhterres> anybody having problems with GDM in this version of distro ?
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| 08:05 | <jammcq> what's the problem?
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| 08:05 | <mhterres> kdm works great, but gdm hangs when somebody logoff
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| 08:05 | hey jammcq
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| 08:05 | how u doing ?
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| 08:05 | <jammcq> mhterres: hey marcelo
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| 08:05 | <mhterres> April is coming and IFSF 8.0 too :-)
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| 08:05 | <jammcq> doing great, looking forward to visiting porto alegre again
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| 08:05 | <mhterres> I know :-)
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| 08:06 | <dan__t> I have an issue with GDM not starting.
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| 08:06 | I have to start it manually.
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| 08:06 | <mhterres> maybe this year I can go to eat some churrasco with u guys
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| 08:07 | after some user logoff, nobody can login anymore
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| 08:07 | <jammcq> mhterres: yeah, bring your wife too. (Renata ?)
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| 08:07 | <mhterres> I need to restart the server
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| 08:07 | jammcq, Yeah Renata :-)
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| 08:07 | <jammcq> mhterres: yeah, easy for me to remember, my wife is 'Renee'
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| 08:07 | similar
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| 08:07 | <mhterres> jammcq, I'll try, but I think she is onle with us on saturday this year
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| 08:07 | jammcq, Oh :-)
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| 08:08 | <jammcq> dan__t: what distro are you using?
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| 08:08 | <dan__t> FC6
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| 08:08 | Do I need to hit up runlevel 5?
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| 08:08 | <mhterres> jammcq, any ideas in the gdm case ? Have you saw something like this before ?
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| 08:08 | <jammcq> dan__t: "hit up" ?
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| 08:09 | <dan__t> I didn't really think about that, I guess that'd make sense.
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| 08:09 | Boot into runlevel 5
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| 08:09 | <jammcq> what runlevel are you in ?
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| 08:09 | <dan__t> I boot into 3.
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| 08:09 | <jammcq> well, gdm isn't configured to start in runlevel 3 on fedora
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| 08:09 | <mhterres> and kdm is crazy, cause if somebody logoff, the server screen goes black
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| 08:09 | And I need to go to VT7 to restart to work :-)
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| 08:10 | And in my case, our client will use the server as a workstation
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| 08:10 | <jammcq> mhterres: have you applied all updates for 6.06 ?
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| 08:10 | <mhterres> yeah, even the backports in the ubuntu repository
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| 08:11 | <dan__t> what is gdm known as from init?
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| 08:11 | <jammcq> dan__t: I think in fedora, gdm starts from /etc/inittab
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| 08:11 | prefdm, at the bottom of inittab
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| 08:11 | <dan__t> Oh, ok
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| 08:11 | Interesting.
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| 08:11 | Shows you how much I know about X :/
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| 08:12 | <jammcq> dan__t: it's not X, it's Fedora that does it this way. most others launch the display mgr from init scripts
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| 08:13 | <pscheie> jammcq: I wonder if that's because FC ships both gdm and kdm (and xdm, too, I think)
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| 08:14 | does a standard debian come with multiplie display managers?
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| 08:14 | e.g., what does etch have
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| 08:14 | <jammcq> pscheie: standard debian has all of them, but I think if you install Gnome, you get GDM, if you install KDE, you get KDM
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| 08:14 | <mhterres> pscheie, Ubuntu, for example, come with gdm, Kubuntu with kdm
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| 08:14 | In my case I installed gdm, but I`m using Kubuntu
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| 08:15 | cause it works better (not in dapper, in my case)
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| 08:15 | but it works better in edgy than kdm
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| 08:15 | my problem is that I need a LTS distro for our client
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| 08:15 | <pscheie> ah, now that I think about it, FC works the same way: gnome installs gdm, kde installs kdm
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| 08:15 | <mhterres> and Dapper is the only one
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| 08:16 | <Gadi> morning, jammcq
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| 08:16 | et al
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| 08:16 | <pscheie> been spending so much time with K12LTSP lately that I've been able to get lazy about which one is installed
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| 08:16 | * Gadi get coffee ... brb | |
| 08:17 | * mhterres - lunch time | |
| 08:19 | <ogra_> jammcq, i got it ! .... volume control out of the box works here ....
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| 08:19 | <jammcq> ogra_: WOO HOOO !!!
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| 08:19 | <ogra_> :)
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| 08:19 | <jammcq> which volume control ?
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| 08:19 | <ogra_> sound
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| 08:19 | <jammcq> yeah, the Gnome volumne control applet ?
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| 08:20 | <ogra_> you can just use the mixer applet
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| 08:20 | yeah
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| 08:20 | <jammcq> AWESOME !
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| 08:20 | <ogra_> next is capturing ... then i'm done with the new sound arch .,..
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| 08:20 | <pscheie> ogra_: is this a gstreamer thing or pulse audio?
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| 08:20 | * pscheie doesn't really understand the difference | |
| 08:20 | * jammcq wonders if Ogra knew what he was getting him self into a couple years ago when he agreed to take on the ltsp/edubuntu stuff | |
| 08:21 | <ogra_> its a combination of pulse, alsa and pulses esd emulation
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| 08:21 | jammcq, totally not
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| 08:21 | :)
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| 08:21 | <jammcq> but no regrets... right?
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| 08:21 | <ogra_> o love my job !
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| 08:22 | s/o/i/
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| 08:22 | <jammcq> o love my job too :)
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| 08:22 | <ogra_> even though edubuntu is only the playground for the more intresting stuff :)
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| 08:22 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:22 | <ogra_> scottiiiiee !!!!!
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| 08:23 | <sbalneav> hey
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| 08:23 | <pscheie> scoot beavens!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:24 | Gadi?
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| 08:30 | <Gadi> present
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| 08:30 | <sbalneav> Hey hey!
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| 08:30 | <Gadi> sorta
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| 08:30 | <Gadi> Scotty!
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| 08:30 | <jammcq> presents ?
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| 08:30 | Gadi: how's that little Ilan doing today?
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| 08:30 | <Gadi> he's doing great
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| 08:30 | <erdinc> hi aLL
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| 08:31 | <jammcq> hello erdinc
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| 08:31 | <Gadi> takes after his abba in that his eyes keep wandering and can't focus on one thing for too long .... ;)
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| 08:31 | <erdinc> hi jim, I sent you a mail bytheway
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| 08:32 | <jammcq> abba ? The swedish band ?
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| 08:32 | or was that finnish
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| 08:32 | <Gadi> lol -sorry - daddy
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| 08:32 | :)
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| 08:32 | <erdinc> swedish
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| 08:32 | they won the eurovision song contest in 170s
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| 08:32 | 1970s sorry :)
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| 08:32 | <jammcq> heh
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| 08:33 | <dan__t> ok, rad - T1 is back up heh.
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| 08:34 | <Gadi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abba_%28father%29
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| 08:34 | but, even wikipedia defaults to the band :)
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| 08:34 | <jammcq> well.....
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| 08:35 | <dan__t> Would it be appropriate to mention in the docs somewhere that DISPLAYMANAGER is not always set from /etc/sysconfig/desktop under Fedora-based servers, at least?
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| 08:35 | I believe that's what I've found, which I think to be quite odd, actually.
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| 08:35 | <erdinc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abba this will be better I guess :)
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| 08:37 | <Gadi> ah, waterloo. couldn't escape if I wanted to...
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| 08:39 | <jammcq> dan__t: is it EVER set ?
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| 08:39 | <dan__t> Doesn't look like it, no.
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| 08:39 | <jammcq> it usually derives the display mgr from some goofy logic in prefdm
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| 08:40 | I think it usually goes by 'DESKTOP'
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| 08:40 | <dan__t> I just looked in prefdm, /etc/sysconfig/desktop is the first place it looks.
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| 08:40 | <cliebow_> BOY like old home week!! the gangs All here!
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| 08:40 | <dan__t> Then it uses a series of fallbacks.
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| 08:40 | <jammcq> dan__t: yeah, but it's looking for a couple of things in that file, to see if it can figure out what you want
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| 08:40 | <jammcq> cliebow_: hidy ho
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| 08:41 | <dan__t> It only looks for $DISPLAYMANAGER
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| 08:42 | <jammcq> does it not look at DESKTOP ?
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| 08:42 | <dan__t> Nosir.
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| 08:42 | <ogra_> is that a new fedora ?
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| 08:42 | they switched to ConsoleKit already afaik
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| 08:43 | i doubt env vars will help there
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| 08:43 | <dan__t> FC6.
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| 08:43 | I suppose you can look at it yourself if you wish :)
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| 08:43 | It reads /etc/sysconfig/desktop for a var named $DISPLAYMANAGER
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| 08:43 | <ogra_> likely not .... i would have to install fedora somewhere
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| 08:43 | <dan__t> Well, sources the file, then checks for it.
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| 08:43 | I'd be happy to pastebin it for ya
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| 08:44 | Just so long as it helps the cause.
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| 08:44 | <ogra_> i know neither of the vars is used upstream or in ubuntu
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| 08:47 | <cliebow_> dan__t:you trying to change displaymanager?
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| 08:47 | <dan__t> No, just want it to start.
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| 08:47 | <dan__t> Has anyone mentioned any problems with a displaymanager not starting automagically under FC6?
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| 08:48 | <erdinc> gdm?
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| 08:48 | <dan__t> Correct.
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| 08:48 | <erdinc> did you change /etc/initrd init level 5 to 3?
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| 08:48 | <cliebow_> ogra_:i did get g4 to netboot from your config..dont understand why mine wouldnt with same info
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| 08:49 | <dan__t> We have /etc/inittab, and it's set to runlevel 5.
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| 08:49 | er, damnit. maybe I should read next time:
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| 08:49 | # Run xdm in runlevel 5
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| 08:50 | x:5:once:/etc/X11/prefdm -nodaemon
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| 08:50 | change that to a 3, and I bet I'm set.
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| 08:50 | <erdinc> :)
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| 08:50 | <dan__t> d'oh. sorry to raise a fuss.
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| 08:52 | <ogra_> cliebow_, well ... no idea why yours didnt work ... i use my ibook as client for development atm (was to lazy to carry thin client, keyboard, mouse and display on the plane)
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| 08:52 | <cliebow_> heh.cant blame you there..moving on to windows dhcp where i need it
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| 08:53 | here a bondi will boot..but neither g3 or g4
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| 08:54 | wierd a g3 would but not a g4 from linux with my config
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| 08:54 | i see arp is tremendously important in apple
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| 08:54 | <mhterres> no way, I'll try to resolve the problem with kdm :-(
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| 08:54 | <cliebow_> first kernel load took forever with interruptions by arp
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| 08:57 | <ogra_> jammcq, you know that you can detach a thin client in ltsp5 and if you plug the cable back in again it all just goes on working, right ?
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| 08:58 | (i fyou use ssh)
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| 08:58 | <jammcq> ogra_: yeah, it works in 4.2 also
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| 08:58 | well, if you plug it back in fast enough
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| 08:58 | <ogra_> with pulse even the sound just plays on :)
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| 08:58 | <pscheie> Gadi: are you still here (I stepped away for a bit)
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| 08:58 | <ogra_> well, i just plugged out my client for 10 min
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| 08:58 | replug .... music plays on ...
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| 08:58 | <jammcq> ogra_: that's not necessarily a good thing
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| 08:59 | <ogra_> well, its helpful for a shaky network ....
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| 08:59 | <jammcq> xdmcp has that ping feature to avoid sessions lingering after disconnect
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| 08:59 | * jammcq would rather have the session die on disconnect | |
| 09:02 | <ogra_> spec it for feisty+1 i'll write it ;)
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| 09:06 | <Gadi> pscheie: in and out
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| 09:06 | sup?
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| 09:07 | <pscheie> We here in Minnesota are planning our LTSP conference (NCLS) for this June, and I was wondering if you could come out and talk about Symbiont
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| 09:07 | we don't have exact dates yet
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| 09:08 | you, too, jammcq
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| 09:08 | <Gadi> love to
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| 09:08 | let me know when you have dates
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| 09:08 | u near minneapolis?
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| 09:08 | <pscheie> Jim Kronebusch and I (and another fellow) are getting together this weekend to plan it out
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| 09:09 | yes, we're in Mpls.
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| 09:09 | <Gadi> cool - Nice city
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| 09:09 | <pscheie> last year we had it in a school in St. Louis Park, a suburb right next to Mpls.
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| 09:09 | <Gadi> stopped there when my wife and I drove back to the east coast from the west
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| 09:09 | <pscheie> I live in SLP, and I'm one block away from the Mpls/SLP border
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| 09:10 | The other fellow, Jeremy Anderson, teaches Linux at a community college;
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| 09:10 | <Gadi> sounds like fun
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| 09:10 | <pscheie> he came last year when we had it at my (kids') high school
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| 09:11 | he said his college would host it this year, so we may go there this year
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| 09:11 | I have mixed feeling about moving because we're finally doing a pilot in my son's school and I'd like to show it off
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| 09:12 | OTOH, having someone within a school (I'm just a volunteer parent) like Jeremy can make some things easier
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| 09:13 | the high school is 5 minutes from my house; the comm. college is probably 25-30 minutes away, not as convenient for me
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| 09:13 | <Gadi> "just"?
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| 09:13 | more power to you :)
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| 09:13 | <pscheie> 'just' means I don't have as much influence within the school, perhaps, as if I were an employee
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| 09:14 | I pitched LTSP to the district tech directory two years ago; nothing happened.
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| 09:14 | <Gadi> public school?
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| 09:14 | <mhterres> anybody using the ltsp server as a terminal and running kdm ?
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| 09:14 | <pscheie> Then I pitched it to the superintendent in Oct. and she got it right away.
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| 09:14 | yes, public
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| 09:15 | she asked the tech dir. and his folks to put it in place; and now it's three months later and we've almost started
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| 09:15 | <Gadi> great
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| 09:15 | <pscheie> If I'd done the work myself, we could have been up and running in Nov.
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| 09:16 | I even provided the school with ~80 laptops to use as client machines
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| 09:16 | BTW, a big thanks to you for your OSS-ALSA sound package, without which sound would not be working on those laptops
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| 09:18 | so I'm somewhat inclined to hold it at Jeremy's college where the idea is welcomed rather than at the local school where they seem to try to ignore it.
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| 09:18 | but I like the high school location better.
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| 09:19 | Ironically, Jeremy lives right across the street from the high school
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| 09:20 | Anyway, I'd love to have you come out and talk about Symbiont, and maybe try to pound some education into my head to help me better understand sound.
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| 09:20 | which will 'just work' by then since we'll be on muekow, right?! :-)
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| 09:20 | <Gadi> yeah - toughest part about LTSP is keeping up with the changes
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| 09:21 | :)
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| 09:21 | <pscheie> Scott said he thinks he can come down, as he did last year
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| 09:22 | Not sure about jammcq; we do it in June which means we kinda overlapped NELS last year, despite trying to avoid doing so
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| 09:22 | we'll try to avoid that again so people don't have conflicts
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| 09:23 | * pscheie would like to attend NELS one of these years | |
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| 09:25 | <Gadi> yeah, itd be great not to conflict with NELS
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| 09:25 | had a good time at NELS last year
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| 09:25 | <pscheie> are you going to NELS this year?
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| 09:25 | <Gadi> and, there are so few of these events, I'm sure you guys can coordinate
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| 09:26 | I would like to
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| 09:26 | <pscheie> in June I mean?
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| 09:26 | <Gadi> I havent nailed anything down yet
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| 09:26 | June is a world away for me
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| 09:26 | I'm trying to make my way through January ;)
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| 09:26 | <mhterres> hey guys, anybody here is having problems with GDM (Ubuntu Dapper, package version 2.14.10-0ubuntu1.1) and LTSP 4.2 ?
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| 09:35 | <spacey> mhterres: works for me, whats wrong?
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| 09:36 | <mhterres> If some of the clients logoff, nobody else can't login
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| 09:36 | I need to restart gdm to works
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| 09:36 | even in the server
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| 09:36 | <spacey> thats very particular
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| 09:36 | <mhterres> yes
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| 09:36 | And it happens only in Edgy
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| 09:37 | oops
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| 09:37 | Dapper
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| 09:37 | cause I use it without problems in Edgy
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| 09:37 | <spacey> we also use 2.14.10-0ubuntu1.1
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| 09:37 | no problems
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| 09:38 | <mhterres> strange
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| 09:38 | If I logoff in server no problem
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| 09:38 | <spacey> what happens if someone whats to login?
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| 09:38 | after it breaks
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| 09:38 | <mhterres> for example
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| 09:39 | if I'm logged in some client and I ask to logoff, after the logoff, gdm doesn`t appear
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| 09:39 | just X
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| 09:39 | <mhterres> so, if I try to login from other client, same problem
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| 09:39 | and after that, if I logoff from server, server goes to console
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| 09:40 | I can't understand, it's very strange
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| 09:40 | but I can't logoff/login without any problems in server
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| 09:40 | the problem occurs in remote logoffs
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| 09:41 | <jammcq> mhterres: I have 6.06 on my laptop, and I've set it up for doing LTSP demonstrations. I've had no problem at all with GDM
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| 09:41 | <mhterres> unless, I try a remote logoff, cause after that no logins are available and the server logoff turn off gdm
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| 09:41 | <mhterres> jammcq, any ideas of how can I debug this problem ?
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| 09:42 | <jammcq> send me your gdm.conf and gdm.conf-custom files
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| 09:42 | <mhterres> ok
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| 09:42 | what e-mail ?
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| 09:42 | <jammcq> jam@ltsp.org
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| 09:43 | I'll compare them with mine
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| 09:43 | <mhterres> ok
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| 09:45 | don
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| 09:45 | e
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| 09:45 | <mhterres> I didn't do nothing in the files, except the xdmcp modification
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| 09:47 | <jammcq> mhterres: gdm.conf is identical. But.... gdm.conf-custom has some small differences
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| 09:48 | <mhterres> hmmmm, I did not make any modification in gdm.conf-custom
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| 09:48 | <jammcq> here's the diffjam@biglap:/etc/X11/gdm$ diff gdm.conf-custom /tmp/gdm.conf-custom
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| 09:48 | 41d40
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| 09:48 | < DisallowTCP=false
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| 09:48 | 48,49d46
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| 09:48 | < GraphicalTheme=happygnome
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| 09:48 | < SoundOnLogin=false
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| 09:48 | Mine has the lines starting with '<'
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| 09:48 | <mhterres> ok
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| 09:48 | Nothing that could cause the break
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| 09:49 | <jammcq> try mine, and see if it makes any difference
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| 09:49 | <mhterres> ok
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| 09:49 | <jammcq> I'm using 2.14.10-0ubuntu1
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| 09:49 | you are using ubuntu1.1
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| 09:49 | <mhterres> hmmm,
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| 09:50 | I think that it came from Backports
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| 09:50 | <jammcq> no, I think I just haven't installed the update
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| 09:50 | <mhterres> hmmmm, maybe
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| 09:50 | <jammcq> becuase 1.1 is available for me to install
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| 09:52 | <mhterres> I'm testing it
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| 09:54 | <ogra> jammcq, ubuntu1.1 is a security update shouldnt make a difference
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| 09:54 | <mhterres> after the remote logoff, I had to kill gdm cause the initscript didn't stop it
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| 09:54 | <jammcq> ogra: *shouldn't*
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| 09:54 | <mhterres> I think the problem persist
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| 09:54 | but let me try again
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| 09:54 | <ogra> mount -t nfs 192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/powerpc /mnt
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| 09:54 | <efra> Morning everybody
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| 09:54 | <mhterres> morning
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| 09:55 | <jammcq> hello
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| 09:55 | <ogra> mount: 192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/powerpc: can't read superblock
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| 09:55 | <ogra> jammcq, ^^^^ ever seen that one ?
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| 09:55 | <jammcq> superblock ???? on an NFS mount ?
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| 09:55 | <ogra> the funniest bug i came across this year yet :)
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| 09:55 | <jammcq> the year is young :)
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| 09:56 | <ogra> the bugs are many :)
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| 09:56 | (not in ltsp though)
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| 09:56 | i was surrounded by head scratching kernel devs 5 mins ago *g*
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| 09:57 | <jammcq> ogra: where are you ?
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| 09:57 | <cliebow_> jammq:give me you tcpdump command for verbose reports
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| 09:57 | <ogra> oslo
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| 09:57 | <cliebow_> ?
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| 09:57 | <jammcq> wow
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| 09:57 | <ogra> feisty development sprint
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| 09:57 | <jammcq> cool
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| 09:57 | cliebow_: what are you looking for?
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| 09:57 | <ogra> yes, -5°C
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| 09:57 | <jammcq> verbose is just -v (or multiple -vvv)
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| 09:57 | <cliebow_> well im looking at dhcp in wireshark..as well as arp resolution
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| 09:58 | <jammcq> ogra: it's -7C here
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| 09:58 | <cliebow_> for netboot from windows to g4
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| 09:58 | <ogra> its +8 at home :(
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| 09:58 | <jammcq> cliebow_: if you want to capture a packet trace to feed to wireshark/ethereal, then you need:
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| 09:58 | tcpdump -i eth -s 1520 -w /tmp/tcpdump.out
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| 09:58 | <cliebow_> coolio
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| 10:00 | <mhterres> the problem persists :-(
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| 10:00 | <jammcq> mhterres: how are they logging out?
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| 10:01 | <mhterres> using the option in menu
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| 10:03 | before I tried to remote logoff, ps ax show me 2 gdm processes
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| 10:03 | after the remote logoff, just one is there
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| 10:03 | <jammcq> that would be correct
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| 10:03 | the parent gdm
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| 10:04 | listens for incoming connections. when you connect, it forks a new gdm to handle the login
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| 10:04 | <mhterres> I know
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| 10:04 | but when I logoff, a new process should be opened or not ?
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| 10:04 | <jammcq> no
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| 10:04 | <mhterres> to handle the new remote logoff ?
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| 10:04 | <jammcq> when you log off, the forked gdm should go away
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| 10:05 | there's no "handling the remote logoff"
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| 10:05 | <mhterres> yes, but after the logoff, a new login window should appear, or not ?
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| 10:05 | <mhterres> with a new child gdm process
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| 10:05 | <jammcq> yes, after a few seconds. Have you done something to modify LTSP ?
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| 10:05 | <mhterres> no, nothing
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| 10:05 | <jammcq> didn't mfdutra do some kind of load-balancing?
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| 10:06 | <mhterres> no no
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| 10:06 | <jammcq> different server?
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| 10:06 | <mhterres> It's a simple installation with 5 terminals
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| 10:06 | <jammcq> oh
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| 10:06 | <mhterres> I'll try to reinstall it, cause I just made a tarball in the other server and open in this server
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| 10:06 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 10:06 | look at the startx script
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| 10:07 | and look at lts.conf
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| 10:07 | <mhterres> ok
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| 10:08 | how is the development of ltsp 5 ?
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| 10:08 | did you determine a date to release the new version ?
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| 10:08 | <jammcq> it's already released.
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| 10:08 | <mhterres> I'm very curious about it
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| 10:08 | <jammcq> it's in Ubuntu
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| 10:08 | and debian
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| 10:08 | <mhterres> In Edgy ?
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| 10:09 | <jammcq> yep
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| 10:09 | and it was in dapper
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| 10:09 | although Edgy's LTSP is probably the best yet
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| 10:09 | <mhterres> But don't it have a package distro-free like in 4.2 ?
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| 10:09 | <jammcq> no
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| 10:09 | LTSP-5 is based on distro packages. So, we can't really have a "generic" release
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| 10:09 | <mhterres> Hmmmm, I'll install it in my machine. It's our LTSP server
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| 10:10 | Yeah, I read about it
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| 10:10 | <jammcq> what we can have is a tarball of Ubuntu's LTSP, that you could install anywhere
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| 10:10 | <mhterres> Hmm, great idea
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| 10:10 | But in this case I'll stay with 4.2, cause I'm using Dapper
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| 10:10 | and I'll put 5.0 in my machine :-0
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| 10:10 | :-)
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| 10:11 | great, will you talk about this in the forum ?
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| 10:11 | <jammcq> yep
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| 10:11 | absolutely
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| 10:11 | <mhterres> great
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| 10:11 | <jammcq> and I'll demonstrate it
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| 10:11 | and scott will talk about local devices
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| 10:11 | and some other stuff
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| 10:11 | <mhterres> scott will come again ???
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| 10:11 | great :-)
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| 10:11 | <jammcq> hopefully
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| 10:12 | <mhterres> we are making some modifications in ltsp scripts to local devices work in windows ts clients running with rdesktop
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| 10:12 | works great
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| 10:13 | after the implementation, we can put it in wiki
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| 10:13 | <jammcq> cool. You should work with Gadi, he's doing alot of work in that area
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| 10:14 | <mhterres> great, I'll ask to Guaraldo to talk to him
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| 10:14 | jammcq, Guaraldo is working with us in Propus
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| 10:14 | <jammcq> cool, new guy?
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| 10:14 | <mhterres> You'll meet him in forum
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| 10:14 | <Guaraldo> jammcq: Hi...
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| 10:14 | <mhterres> yep
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| 10:14 | <jammcq> hey Guaraldo
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| 10:15 | <mhterres> he's working in the USB question with TS
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| 10:16 | I asked him to talk with Gadi
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| 10:17 | if we can contribute in the project it will be great :-)
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| 10:18 | <Guaraldo> Gadi: Hi, I'm working on a USB quastion of LTSP.
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| 10:19 | Gadi: Precisely, I want to make USB storage devices accessible on rdesktop connections.
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| 10:20 | <Guaraldo> Gadi: I've found a way (mounting USB storage devices),
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| 10:21 | Gadi: but when disconnecting USB storage without waiting nearly 30 seconds, some data are lost.
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| 10:22 | Gadi: On Linux Terminals it doesn't happens. Only using rdesktop envolviment.
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| 10:23 | Gadi: I mean, on XDMCP it doesn't happens, only on rdesktop.
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| 10:24 | <mhterres> I reinstalled ltsp
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| 10:24 | let's see know
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| 10:24 | jammcq, how about the ltsp packages from dapper ?
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| 10:35 | no, the same problem
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| 10:38 | kdm works better, but any time that someone execute a remote logoff, I need to press CTRL+ALT+F7 to return to X, cause the screen goes black
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| 10:39 | this happens onle in the server, but in this case, the server will be used like a normal workstation
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| 10:39 | <dan__t> What takes precidence, resolutions from /etc/X11/xorg.conf, or lts.conf's X_MODE_N?
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| 10:39 | precedence, rather
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| 10:46 | <ogra_> sbalneav, https://launchpad.net/python-ltsp did i show you this already ?
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| 10:47 | <sbalneav> Yes! You mentioned it friday, but hadn't uploaded it yet!
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| 10:47 | <mhterres> hey sbalneav
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| 10:47 | <sbalneav> Hello mhterres!!
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| 10:47 | <mhterres> are you coming to ifsf 8.0 ???
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| 10:47 | :-)
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| 10:47 | <sbalneav> I hope so!!!
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| 10:48 | <ogra_> sbalneav, i uploaded it friday evening, but Mithrandir didnt unqueue it yet
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| 10:48 | it sits in new
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| 10:48 | <mhterres> sbalneav, great :-)
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| 10:52 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: Hi...
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| 10:52 | sbalneav: Hi, I'm working on a USB quastion of LTSP.
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| 10:52 | sbalneav: Precisely, I want to make USB storage devices accessible on rdesktop connections.
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| 10:52 | sbalneav: I've found a way (mounting USB storage devices localy),
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| 10:53 | sbalneav: but when disconnecting USB storage without waiting nearly 30 seconds, some data are lost.
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| 10:53 | sbalneav: On Linux Terminals (XDMCP) it doesn't happens, only on rdesktop envolviment.
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| 10:54 | sbalneav: Can you halp me?
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| 11:08 | <mhterres> after I install the ltsp-server package do I need to run ltsp-build-client ?
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| 11:08 | is it ?
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| 11:08 | dapper ok
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| 11:08 | ?
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| 11:14 | <Gadi> ogra_: ok, I am having a senior moment. If I want to start xinit from inittab (or init.d) without a display manager and have it run a program as a different user, I ....
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| 11:14 | damn, brain...
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| 11:17 | <mhterres> am I right ?
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| 11:18 | <ogra_> mhterres, rather edgy ... but yes, thats ok ... see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 11:19 | Gadi, oh man, thats ages ago that i did such hackish stuff :)
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| 11:19 | <Gadi> heh
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| 11:19 | <ogra_> use screen script and call it from lts.conf ?
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| 11:20 | s/use/use a/
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| 11:20 | <Gadi> yeah, I was thinking about just grabbing all the screen script code
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| 11:20 | or just giving xinit enough of an environment to get going
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| 11:21 | <ogra_> that should be available already
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| 11:21 | <Gadi> I was just thinking that I was forgetting something like "Just drop it in Xsession.d" ...
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| 11:21 | <ogra_> ldm or startx work ....
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| 11:21 | that would also be an option
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| 11:21 | <Gadi> I am doing this on another system (not a terminal)
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| 11:22 | <ogra_> well, then use ~/.xsession or Xsession.d
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| 11:22 | <Gadi> and what do I run from inittab?
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| 11:22 | <mhterres> great, it's downloading the packages :-)
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| 11:22 | <Gadi> (as I dont want a dm)
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| 11:22 | <ogra_> write an initscript ?
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| 11:23 | i'D not put it into inittab
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| 11:23 | <Gadi> and launch startx?
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| 11:23 | from init
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| 11:23 | or execute Xsession directly?
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| 11:23 | <ogra_> depends ... do you need the machine for other stuff or other users as well ?
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| 11:24 | <Gadi> nope
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| 11:24 | <ogra_> well, then just do what ldm does ;)
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| 11:24 | <Gadi> k
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| 11:24 | <ogra_> (call /etc/X11/Xsession)
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| 11:26 | <mhterres> the ltsp-update-kernels package put my kernel in the ltsp environment ?
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| 11:26 | ltsp-update-kernels command, no package, oops
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| 11:38 | or it gets the latest ubuntu kernel ?
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| 11:49 | <asd> hi all
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| 11:49 | i have debian etch but only root can see cd, usb... in the desktop
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| 11:50 | <asd> is correct this? ls -lh /dev/fuse: crw-rw---- 1 root fuse 10, 229 2007-01-22 18:43 /dev/fuse
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| 11:51 | and the user is in fuse group
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| 11:51 | WHY???
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| 11:52 | please, help...
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| 11:53 | <pscheie> asd: have you gone through the troubleshooting checklist on the wiki?
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| 11:53 | <asd> yes, i follow all the steps
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| 11:54 | what permissions have the WS user?
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| 11:54 | to mount with ltspfs?
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| 11:57 | <pscheie> send the output of ALL the steps in the checklist to sbalneav@ltsp.org and he might be able to tell you what's wrong
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| 11:57 | he's the dev who wrote it
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| 11:57 | but don't leave any steps out or he can't help
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| 11:58 | <asd> ltspfs pc8:/tmp kk/
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| 11:58 | fusermount: mount failed: Operation not permitted
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| 12:00 | in the desktop i can see the device folder but is empty
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| 12:40 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> jammcq: can I use the #ltsp-br ?
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| 12:51 | <dan__t> hi.
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| 12:56 | i'm bored
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| 12:56 | ltsp is radical.
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| 12:58 | <vagrantc> i'd say LTSP is merely politically pragmatic.
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| 13:02 | <mhterres> ltsp is looking for rc.early_sysinit
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| 13:02 | this file does not exist :-9
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| 13:02 | :-(
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| 13:02 | what happened ?
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| 13:03 | I'm installing mknbi
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| 13:03 | is it ?
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| 13:03 | <jammcq> that file should be in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc
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| 13:04 | <mhterres> it doesn't exists
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| 13:04 | :-(
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| 13:04 | <jammcq> if it's not there, then you are probably using a LTSP-4.2 kernel with LTSP-5 tree
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| 13:04 | <mhterres> I'm using the dapper packages
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| 13:04 | <jammcq> yeah, but you are using the wrong kernel
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| 13:04 | <mhterres> ltsp-server 0.87
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| 13:04 | <jammcq> rc.early_sysinit is a LTSP-4.2 thing
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| 13:04 | <mhterres> I know
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| 13:04 | <jammcq> check your dhcpd.conf
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| 13:05 | <mhterres> but what's the dhcp version in dapper ?
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| 13:05 | 5?
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| 13:05 | <jammcq> dhcp version ?
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| 13:05 | doesn't matter
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| 13:05 | <mhterres> sorry
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| 13:05 | ltsp
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| 13:05 | heheeh
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| 13:06 | <jammcq> dapper, using Ubuntu's LTSP? it's mostly LTSP-5
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| 13:06 | only we didn't call it LTSP-5 then
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| 13:06 | <mhterres> Hmmm, that's it
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| 13:06 | I'm booting from our ltsp (4.2) and tryng to run a ltsp 5
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| 13:06 | thx
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| 13:42 | <mhterres> ltsp should not create the /tftpboot directory ?
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| 13:43 | <vagrantc> mhterres: what distro?
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| 13:43 | <mhterres> dapper
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| 13:43 | <vagrantc> tftp files go in /var/lib/tftpboot by default
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| 13:44 | for debian and ubuntu
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| 13:44 | <mhterres> I found it
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| 13:54 | <mathesis> i have a error to load kernel
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| 13:54 | <vagrantc> please tell us the error.
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| 13:56 | <mhterres> now is the keyboard that is not working :-)
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| 13:56 | <mathesis> Me: 192.168.0.29, DHCP 192.168.0.1 Gateway 192.168.0.254 Loading 192.168.0.1:/var/lib/tftpboot/2.6.17.3-ltsp-1 .TFTP error 1 (File not found) Unable to load file
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| 13:57 | <vagrantc> looks like you're trying to download an LTSP 4.x kernel ...
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| 13:58 | <vagrantc> you need to configure DHCP, see the example file in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/examples/dhcpd.conf
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| 13:58 | and note that, by default tftp servers usually use relative paths ... i.e. /var/lib/tftpboot is / to the tftp server
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| 14:03 | <mathesis> vagrantc: por default tfp esta en /tftpboot/ lo cambie a /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 14:03 | <mathesis> ltsp4.2
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| 14:04 | mathesis i have path correct
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| 14:06 | <vagrantc> mathesis: por que. it is to comply with the FHS ....
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| 14:06 | mathesis: grep filename dhcpd.conf
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| 14:06 | <mathesis> filename "vmunix.passacaglia";
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| 14:07 | <vagrantc> pero ... /var/lib/tftpboot/2.6.17.3-ltsp-1 ....
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| 14:08 | invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server restart
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| 14:08 | pero ...
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| 14:08 | no se.
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| 14:09 | mathesis: grep filename /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 14:11 | <mathesis> privado vagrantc
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| 14:15 | <spectra> jammcq: hello buddy.
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| 15:27 | <sahil> is there some special linking i need to do between nic interfaces?
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| 15:27 | i cant seem to get a dhcp address from the larger network
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| 15:28 | <vagrantc> you'd need to set up a dhcp relay and proper routing, i think ...
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| 15:28 | <sahil> how would i go about doing that?
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| 15:29 | <sahil> eth0 is ltsp nic and eth1 is larger network
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| 15:29 | <vagrantc> never done it, don't really know.
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| 15:29 | <sahil> but it still needs the address first before i do relay and routing correct?
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| 15:29 | <vagrantc> sahil: usually, in that case, you'd set up a dhcp server on the ltsp server that only responds on the ltsp network
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| 15:30 | <vagrantc> and either set up routing or NAT to give internet access. though in a traditional LTSP environment, you usually don't need NAT or routing.
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| 15:30 | <sahil> vagrantrc:which is what i have done we're in a foreign environment and for some reason eth1 the nic without the dhcp server isn't getting an ip
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| 15:31 | <vagrantc> sahil: you have to assign that manually.
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| 15:31 | sahil: not in dhcp
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| 15:31 | <sahil> static ip for internet?
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| 15:31 | <vagrantc> sahil: just for the0 (the ltsp network)
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| 15:31 | eth0
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| 15:32 | <sahil> yeah i think eth0 is fine dhcp is set up fine
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| 15:32 | im just unable to get a network address for the other nic in order to use internet
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| 15:32 | im able to do it on other computers though using the same nic
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| 15:32 | <vagrantc> you said eth0 was the ltsp nic and eth1 is larger network ... ??
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| 15:32 | <sahil> just not the server
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| 15:32 | correct
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| 15:33 | <vagrantc> what linux distro?
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| 15:33 | <sahil> gentoo
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| 15:33 | <vagrantc> probably ask on one of the gentoo channels how to configure eth1 to recieve dhcp ...
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| 15:35 | <sahil> yeah thats what im doing funny thing is it was getting one last night
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| 15:35 | one another network
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| 15:50 | <dan__t> baaah.
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| 15:50 | my setup just bombed hard.
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| 15:52 | gaim and firefox left and right have 800+ virtual memory footprints.
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| 15:53 | <g333k_work> Hello I had some problem installing ltsp 4.2 in ubuntu 6.10, I cannot configure xdmcp because it didnt find the inittab file, any clue why?
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| 15:58 | <vagrantc> g333k_work: did you install the ltsp included with ubuntu first? it's likely to conflict with ltsp 4.2 in a number of ways ....
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| 16:11 | <g333k_work> vagrantc, nop
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| 17:51 | <juan_> se vagrantc
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| 17:51 | <mathesis> add other thin-client the server ltsp
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| 17:54 | when start sinc out limit display monitor
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| 17:55 | <vagrantc> X_HORZSYNC y X_VERTREFRESH en lts.conf
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| 18:01 | <paolob-parroquia> Hi guys! I had a hd failure, and I had to restore the hd to a new one from a backuppc backup. I restored all (I think...), but the clients can't boot well, they only arrive at asking an IP. Any idea what do I lack or miss? thank you!
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| 18:01 | <hugo> how to activate localdefs and sound in ltsp 5 (edubuntu)?
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| 18:24 | <vagrantc> hugo: you need to install ltspfs on the server, ltspfsd in the chroot, add your users to the fuse group on the server, and add LOCALDEV=True to /opt/ltsp/ARCH/etc/lts.conf
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| 18:24 | hugo: and SOUND=True to /opt/ltsp/ARCH/etc/lts.conf
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| 18:25 | hugo: something like this: sudo apt-get install ltspfs ; sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install ltspfsd ; sudo adduser USERNAME fuse
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| 18:25 | hugo: if lts.conf doesn't exist, create it.
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| 18:25 | with [Default] as the first line
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| 18:31 | <hugo> had everything except the users in the fuse group
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| 18:31 | tnx!
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| 21:09 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 21:11 | * chupacabra installs ltsp in ubuntu | |
| 21:12 | <chupacabra> hey scotty
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| 21:12 | <sbalneav> Hey chupacabra!
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| 21:12 | How's it going?
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| 21:12 | <chupacabra> good.
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| 21:13 | still breathing air
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| 21:13 | actually doing ltsp stuff now
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| 21:14 | <sbalneav> Cool.
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| 21:22 | <chupacabra> isc dhcpd is sorta different
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| 21:27 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 21:27 | <sbalneav> Hey hey
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| 21:27 | <jammcq> chupacabra: hey, how's it goin?
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| 21:31 | <chupacabra> coolio. wazzup
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| 21:31 | <jammcq> just insanely busy, that's all
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| 21:51 | <mathesis> se vagrantc
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| 22:08 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: hi!!!
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| 22:08 | <sbalneav> Hey vagrantc!
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| 22:08 | <mathesis> vagrantc: un thin client Sinc. Fuera Imite
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| 22:09 | the monitor out limit sincronizacion
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| 22:09 | <vagrantc> mathesis: es dependiente que el monitor y tarjeta de .. video
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| 22:10 | sbalneav: still crazy busy are work, or is the big transition mellowing out a bit?
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| 22:11 | <mathesis> i want a change monitor
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| 22:11 | <sbalneav> Mellowed. I'm getting back into things.
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| 22:11 | <mathesis> i am change monitor
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| 22:14 | is the monitor
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| 22:15 | intercambie los cables y fine
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| 22:15 | <vagrantc> mathesis: "fine" ?
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| 22:15 | <mathesis> cambie los monitores y funciono bien
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| 22:16 | <vagrantc> ah, si. otra monitores usa otra ... sync rates
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| 22:16 | <mathesis> sync rates
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| 22:16 | <vagrantc> HorizSync y VertRefresh
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| 22:16 | <mathesis> how config sync rates in the
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| 22:16 | como quedaria la linea
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| 22:17 | H 30-55 kHz.
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| 22:17 | <mathesis> V 50-120 kHz
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| 22:17 | <vagrantc> en lts.conf X_HORZSYNC y X_VERTREFRESH
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| 22:18 | pero, yo olvido cual para H y cual para V
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| 22:19 | pienso H para X_HORZSYNC , por ejemplo: X_HORZSYNC = 30-55
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| 22:19 | X_VERTREFRESH = 50-120
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| 22:20 | <mathesis> vagrantc: XSERVER=ati
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| 22:20 | correcto?
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| 22:20 | <vagrantc> no se. es dependiente
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| 22:20 | cuanda la tarjeta es "ati", si ...
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| 22:20 | cuando
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| 22:29 | <mathesis> http://pastebin.ca/325386
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| 22:29 | cuando modifico lts.conf reboot the server or services?
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| 22:30 | <vagrantc> solo los clientes
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| 22:34 | <mathesis> miraste el http://pastebin.ca/325386
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| 22:40 | <vagrantc> mathesis: que quiere?
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| 22:42 | <mathesis> el monitor sigue out limit sync
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| 22:43 | <vagrantc> trata otra numeros para X_HORZSYNC y X_VERTREFRESH ...
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| 22:51 | <mathesis> vagrantc: ATI RAGE PRO TURBO esa es mi card video
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| 22:52 | <vagrantc> mathesis: cual monitor?
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| 22:52 | <mathesis> http://www.samsung.com/mx/products/monitor/cdt/syncmaster551v.asp
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| 22:53 | <vagrantc> mathesis: necesita buscar por informacian de HorizSync y VertRefresh ...
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| 22:54 | mathesis: hay mucho posibilidades
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| 22:56 | <mathesis> http://www.pcenlinea.com/mp/19877.html
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| 22:57 | H 30-55 kHz
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| 22:57 | V 50-120 kHz
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| 22:57 | vagrantc: son las unicas que veo en todas partes
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| 22:58 | <vagrantc> mathesis: yo no se. trata otra numeros ...
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| 23:00 | trata H 28-60 V 48-90
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