IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 28 May 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:01 | <gnunux> hi
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| 04:44 | <indy> hi all
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| 04:44 | need some help in getting my sony laptop to boot ltsp from wifi...can this be done?
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| 07:52 | <ogra> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg1lxJdjWA4&feature=player_embedded
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| 07:52 | :)
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| 08:02 | <nubae> brilliant
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| 08:03 | <dobber> rofl
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| 08:08 | <cliebow> weeeeee!!!
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| 08:15 | <michiel_e> anyone knows about ltsp + ubuntu lucid 64bit + on boot it powers off again?
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| 08:16 | running poweroff -fp while finnishing booting?
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| 08:16 | on the server
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| 08:16 | I can find ldm and ltsp-sirvecole using it (using fgrep)
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| 08:19 | <ogra> ldm would never be executed on a server ... not sure what ltsp-sirvecole is
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| 08:19 | <michiel_e> from control-aula
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| 08:20 | <ogra> likely also something that should only run on clients
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| 08:20 | at least if it uses such evil commands
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| 08:26 | <michiel_e> first trying to remove the ltsp-sirvecole, maybe that's the problem (because that should run on the client yes)
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| 08:26 | <ogra> how did you install your ltsp server ?
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| 08:26 | neither of these packqges should be installed outside of /opt/ltsp
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| 09:45 | <RicardoPerez> Hi! One question, please: Can I use sudo inside an LTSP client session?
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| 09:46 | <dobber> sure
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| 09:46 | <RicardoPerez> sorry, but I'm unable to use sudo with my normal user inside an LTSP client session...
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| 09:47 | I'm using Ubuntu Server 10.04 LTS as LTSP server
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| 09:47 | <RicardoPerez> and I'm using the "Fat client" configuration as described on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 09:49 | but after login, when I try to use, for example, "sudo ls", I type my password but I got the error message "Sorry, try again."
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| 09:49 | my user is in the "sudo" group
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| 09:50 | <ogra> it shuld be in the admin group
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| 09:50 | not sudo
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| 09:51 | <RicardoPerez> hi, ogra, thanks for the response. the /etc/sudoers says that "%sudo ALL=(ALL) ALL". the admin group is not mentioned in that file. is that right?
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| 09:52 | <ogra> hmm, ask alkisg (once he shows up) that seems to be broken, /etc/sudoers should have the admin group
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| 09:53 | <vbundi> If I want to manually shut down a thin client, would be best way be to enable an admin user in the chroot and run a halt command over ssh to the thin client ip?
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| 09:53 | <RicardoPerez> ok, apart from that, the "ricardo" user in the LTSP server IS in the admin group, but the "ricardo" user in the LTSP client isn't. why can this be happened?
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| 10:07 | <RicardoPerez> /etc/group (on LTSP server) has an "admin:..." line, but /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/group doesn't. is that right?
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| 10:15 | <RicardoPerez> hi, alkisg! ogra asked me to ask you if "admin" group should be in /etc/sudoers instead of "sudo" group
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| 10:17 | <alkisg> Hello
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| 10:17 | RicardoPerez: erm, I'm not sure I understand the question. Why would you want that?
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| 10:17 | <RicardoPerez> alkisg, well, my problem is that i'm unable to use "sudo" in my LTSP client user
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| 10:18 | however, i'm able to use "sudo" with the same user in the LTSP server
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| 10:18 | <alkisg> RicardoPerez: is that on a thin or fat client?
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| 10:18 | <RicardoPerez> alkisg, fat client
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| 10:18 | <alkisg> OK, and what distro?
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| 10:18 | and version?
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| 10:18 | <RicardoPerez> i followed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 10:19 | I installed Ubuntu Server 10.04 LTS
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| 10:19 | and followed the instructions from FatClients wiki page
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| 10:19 | <alkisg> OK. The problem is that the password of the logged on user is not transferred to the fat client /etc/shadow
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| 10:19 | <RicardoPerez> oh
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| 10:19 | <alkisg> So, the fat client users cannot provide their own passwords (e.g. they wouldn't be able to unlock a screensaver)
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| 10:20 | <RicardoPerez> that sounds bad :)
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| 10:20 | is there a workarond?
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| 10:20 | workaround*
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| 10:20 | <alkisg> I offered to make ldm write their passwords upon logon, but the other devs didn't think it as a good idea (security-wise)
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| 10:21 | I.e. if a terminal is somehow compromised, it would mean that the attacker would have the password hash of the current user
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| 10:21 | So, a proper workaround will be when ldap or some libpan-sshauth is used
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| 10:21 | <RicardoPerez> i mean...
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| 10:21 | understand
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| 10:22 | <alkisg> *libpam, not pan
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| 10:22 | <RicardoPerez> so meanwhile, there's no easy workaround for that problem, right?
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| 10:22 | <alkisg> No, not really. I made the session "active" in the console kit so that sudoers are able to mount internal disks etc, but other than that, `sudo` isn't easy to do.
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| 10:23 | A patch to ldm to save the password hash to /etc/shadow would be the easiest workaround here
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| 10:24 | <RicardoPerez> that sounds great
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| 10:24 | so, what do you advise me when a user wants to use a tool with administrative privileges?
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| 10:24 | the best solution could to have a "root" account enabled in the chroot?
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| 10:25 | <alkisg> RicardoPerez: can you make it a little more specific? Which tool?
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| 10:25 | E.g. there's no point in using synaptic or gconfeditor or something like that in a fat client
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| 10:25 | The changes wouldn't be saved
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| 10:25 | <RicardoPerez> alkisg, you're right
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| 10:26 | so the best is not to use sudo in the fat client
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| 10:26 | nor any admin tool
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| 10:26 | <alkisg> Yes, usually there's no need to use any admin tools, however,...
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| 10:27 | ....if there's a need to do it, you could switch to vt2 (SCREEN_02=shell) and run `passwd user` and define a password locally
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| 10:27 | Then that user would be able to use `sudo` for that session
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| 10:27 | <RicardoPerez> oh, that's sounds a very good "patch" for the problem, right, thanks!
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| 10:28 | <RicardoPerez> alkisg, a related question, please: is there an easy way to install applications in the chroot which uses graphical installers?
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| 10:29 | <alkisg> No, no easy way. It is possible to chroot, and export DISPLAY, and export DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS etc, and run synaptic or whatever else installer the application has, but that's not recommented generally
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| 10:30 | For some next release, I'd like to be able to have the fat chroot in a different server partition, and to be able to boot the server as a fat client with a full desktop, and do any changes like in a normal workstation
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| 10:31 | <RicardoPerez> oh, that sounds a great thing!
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| 10:31 | <alkisg> (erm, I mean that the server would be dual boot: 1) as a server 2) as a fat chroot "template")
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| 10:31 | <RicardoPerez> yes, I understand you fully :)
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| 10:31 | <alkisg> There also wouldn't be any need for ltsp-update-image this way
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| 10:32 | (the whole partition would be exported with nbd)
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| 10:32 | <RicardoPerez> it could be a great improvement
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| 10:32 | like now it does with /opt/ltsp/i386, right?
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| 10:33 | sounds cool
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| 10:33 | thank you very much for all your responses, alkisg
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| 10:34 | <alkisg> You're welcome, feel free to ping me for any fat-client related problems
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| 10:34 | <RicardoPerez> only one quick question, please!
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| 10:34 | :)
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| 10:34 | /etc/group (on LTSP server) has an "admin:..." line, but /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/group doesn't. is that right?
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| 10:35 | <RicardoPerez> (just curious)
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| 10:37 | <alkisg> Yup I also see that here. It seems that some package creates that group, and it isn't installed on a fat client. However, when a user logs in, ALL groups that this user belongs to are copied to the fat client (live) so an admin user would be in that group in a fat client also.
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| 10:38 | <RicardoPerez> yes, the problem is that GID 112 ("admin") on LTSP server could be mapped to another group name in the fat client...
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| 10:39 | i don't know if i'm explaining me well...
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| 10:39 | <alkisg> I think that the code that creates the groups tries to keep the same gid
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| 10:40 | So I think that that shouldn't be a problem. Also, the programs shouldn't count on the system gids being the same.
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| 10:40 | (e.g. lpadmin could have a different gid on the server compared to the chroto)
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| 10:41 | <RicardoPerez> well, i just see that the GID 112 is mapped with "mlocate" in the chroot
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| 10:41 | <alkisg> How do you mount your /home? With nfs?
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| 10:41 | <RicardoPerez> apart from that, i can't see any problem
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| 10:41 | <alkisg> NFS would ensure that any files that belong to "admin" on the server, would also belong to "admin" on the fat client, even if they had a different gid (afaik).
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| 10:42 | <RicardoPerez> mmm i don't think so, sorry but i still am an LTSP newbie... I only followed the instructions on the wiki page
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| 10:42 | <alkisg> ...and I think that's also true with sshfs
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| 10:42 | <RicardoPerez> I suppose the fat client is using sshfs for exporting the /home
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| 10:43 | <alkisg> By default, yes, it's using sshfs to export /home/username (not the whole /home)
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| 10:43 | <RicardoPerez> because I haven't got any nfs related package installed in my ltsp server
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| 10:43 | the / is exported with nbd, right?
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| 10:44 | mmm sorry, i think i'm wrong
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| 10:44 | <alkisg> You're correct
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| 10:44 | <RicardoPerez> oh
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| 10:44 | <alkisg> The / is exported with nbd (and then joined with a tmpfs with aufs to make it rw)
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| 10:45 | I'm using nfs though, to be able to run evolution as it doesn't run with sshfs
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| 10:45 | (and google chrome and google earth and pulseaudio need some care with sshfs)
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| 10:45 | <RicardoPerez> so, does nbd the same as nfs with the group names? it seems don't
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| 10:45 | do you advice me to use nfs instead of sshfs?
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| 10:46 | <alkisg> It depends. Do you care about security? nfs v3 is kinda insecure
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| 10:46 | Are you using any of those programs that I mentioned?
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| 10:47 | <RicardoPerez> the kids (i'm trying to mount a classroom for kids) uses google earth and likes to hear music, yes...
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| 10:47 | <alkisg> I'm advicing all greek schools to use nfs for fat clients, so yeah, for a kids classroom I'd also advice nfs
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| 10:48 | <RicardoPerez> great, therefore i'll try to reconvert my fat client installation to use nfs instead
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| 10:49 | maybe the "group-names" issue could be solved as a bonus
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| 10:49 | <alkisg> No the root is always exported with nbd, in both cases
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| 10:50 | <RicardoPerez> oh, sorry, only /home is exported as sshfs or nfs, then?
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| 10:50 | <alkisg> If you'll switch to using an nfs exported home, you'll need the following lts.conf options: NFS_HOME_OPTIONS=nolock and NFS_HOME=/home
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| 10:50 | Yes, the nfs vs sshfs comparison only affects /home
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| 10:50 | Did you notice any problems with the group names? On a booted fat client?
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| 10:51 | <RicardoPerez> only the "admin" one i said you before... apart from that, all seems OK
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| 10:52 | <RicardoPerez> (btw, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients talks about the NFS_HOME, but it doesn't say nothing about the NFS_HOME_OPTIONS... should it be there?)
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| 10:54 | <alkisg> No it's a temporary thing for Lucid, I'm experiencing problems with the statd service not starting that's why I'm using NFS_HOME_OPTIONS=nolock, it should be solved and not needed in the future
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| 10:54 | (I believe it's an upstart problem)
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| 10:54 | <RicardoPerez> great then!
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| 10:55 | now yes, again, thank you very much, alkisg, for all your info
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| 10:55 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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| 10:55 | <RicardoPerez> has been very helpful
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| 10:55 | thanks again, bye!
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| 10:56 | <vbundi> I'm running rdesktop from my gnome session and the caps lock key is not working, it works in the gnome session but not in the windows terminal serssion
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| 10:57 | I have used the -N modifier and no luck
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| 11:05 | <akuepker_> vbundi: we have an internal ticket open about that issue as well. It's intermittent for us for some reason, though.
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| 11:06 | <vbundi> akuepker_ ah, my old version of rdesktop did not do this... is the behaviour the same with the rdesktop screen script?
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| 11:28 | <akuepker_> vbundi: I don't use the screen script, but I'll try to ask my Windows admin when he comes in on Monday.
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| 11:28 | <thunsucker> vbundi: there is a fix for it that Gadi suggested before
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| 11:28 | vbundi: it happens with the screen script and without it
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| 11:28 | one sec i'll find the fix
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| 11:33 | <thunsucker> vbundi: my apologies i can't seem to find my notes
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| 11:33 | vbundi: the caps lock is not an ltsp issue though, it's an ubuntu issue, i'll look around a bit more
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| 11:33 | <vbundi> thunsucker: yeah I thought the capslock was an rdesktop thing
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| 11:34 | <thunsucker> vbundi: found it
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| 11:34 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/VMWareViewVDI
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| 11:34 | look towards the bottom there
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| 11:34 | Caps Lock is per default inhibited in rdesktop v1.6.0.
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| 11:34 | lol
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| 11:34 | <vbundi> oh I was just on there
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| 11:34 | <thunsucker> but obviously you make 1 small change and it will work
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| 11:35 | akuepker_: Caps Lock is per default inhibited in rdesktop v1.6.0.
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| 11:35 | <vbundi> bah so it is an LTSP issue?
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| 11:35 | <thunsucker> vbundi: no, as Gadi described it to me previously, at least at that time, there was a issue with the powers to be, policitial war
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| 11:36 | vbundi: something to that effect, but i know the same thing is happening with rdesktop on my lucid install
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| 11:36 | a full blown desktop install
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| 11:47 | <vbundi> hey, well thanks a lot for the fix
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| 11:52 | <akuepker_> thunsucker: I remember we tried that one a few months ago. It caused enough other problems for our users that we ended up reverting.
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| 12:16 | <vbundi> akuepker_ what kind of problems would it cause?
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| 12:16 | !lts.conf
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| 12:16 | <ltspbot> vbundi: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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| 12:16 | <thunsucker> akuepker_: what other issues did it cause?
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| 12:22 | <thunsucker> vbundi: i'm browsing the logs again i'll find the solution gadi gave me
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| 12:22 | <vbundi> ok
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| 12:24 | <thunsucker> Gadi: you around :)
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| 12:27 | vbundi: what distro you running?
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| 12:29 | vbundi: several solutions here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rdesktop/+bug/254968
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| 12:29 | vbundi: looks like a popular option is to revert back to rdesktop 1.5 using the debian package and stop it from updating
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| 12:31 | <vbundi> lucid
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| 12:36 | <vbundi> thunsucker: what's wrong with the file edit, it appears to be good
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| 12:36 | <thunsucker> vbundi: some users have had weird issues like using / and the arrows
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| 12:36 | but i think most of them were running 9.04 and 9.10
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| 12:37 | vbundi: i definitely think it's worth a try
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| 12:37 | <vbundi> I'm talking about commenting out the Caps_lock line in usr/share/rdesktop/keymaps/common:
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| 12:38 | I thought the weird issues were because of patching it
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| 12:43 | <thunsucker> vbundi: thats what i meant
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| 12:43 | thats been the fix, but it seems like in previous versions of ubuntu it broke other things
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| 12:44 | so I believe in lucid, that is the way to go
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| 12:44 | <vbundi> oh ok
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| 12:48 | <thunsucker> vbundi: i just changed it on my lucid install, testing it out now
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| 12:49 | <thunsucker> vbundi: appears to be working, dind't see any issues
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| 12:49 | <vbundi> thunsucker: great, thanks.
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| 13:05 | <LedHed> I'm having a hard time setting the screen resolution. under [default] I have X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024, but all I get is an 800x600 screen. I also have CONGIFURE_X = True. Any ideas?
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| 13:11 | <vagrantc> LedHed: try XRANDR_MODE_0 ... and comment our CONFIGURE_X ... it shouldn't be necessary with recent versions
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| 13:11 | !distro
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| 13:11 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: Error: "distro" is not a valid command.
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| 13:12 | <vagrantc> !release
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| 13:12 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "release" :: please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
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| 13:12 | <vagrantc> and that ^^
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| 13:13 | <johnny> vagrantc, have we considered dropping CONFIGURE_X ?
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| 13:14 | <vagrantc> we use it internally
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| 13:14 | <LedHed> isnt it still usefull for other settings like X_RAMPERC?
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| 13:14 | <johnny> internally?
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| 13:14 | oh yes
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| 13:14 | <vagrantc> it's set if variables that need it are set.
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| 13:15 | <johnny> hmm.. can't most of those be done outside of X now?
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| 13:15 | like xrandr..
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| 13:15 | <vagrantc> which is why we do it that way
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| 13:15 | <johnny> what exactly needs to generate an xorg.conf these days?
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| 13:15 | <LedHed> vagrantc, I set XRANDR_MODE_0 = 1280x1024, but no luck
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| 13:15 | <vagrantc> forcing refresh rates, support for cards that don't support xrandr
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| 13:16 | <johnny> hmm.. i wonder at what point we would want to say goodbye to the crapola.. :)
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| 13:16 | in a few years hopefully
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| 13:17 | <vagrantc> i can't imagine it being possible that there would never be a valid use case for overriding detected defaults
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| 13:17 | <johnny> sure.. but it will probably be done outside of X
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| 13:17 | or outside of the xorg.conf
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| 13:17 | like via the xrandr utility
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| 13:17 | <vagrantc> for everwhere we can, we do
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| 13:17 | <johnny> once all non supporting drivers disappear
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| 13:18 | xorg.conf is obviously on a path to disappear
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| 13:19 | <vagrantc> and when that happens, i demand that LTSP refuse to comply!
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| 13:19 | <johnny> lol
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| 13:19 | that's nonsense
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| 13:19 | <vagrantc> good catch
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| 13:19 | * johnny pokes the crusty old vagrantc | |
| 13:19 | <johnny> "get off my lawn"
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| 13:20 | <thunsucker> "dont walk on my grass!"
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| 13:22 | <LedHed> I'm testing LTSP Clients in a VBox VM, When I go to System -> Preferences -> Monitors, it only shows a max of 800x600. Could it be that even though I specify 1280x1024, LTSP only runs the client at the max resolution it detected on the monitor?
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| 13:23 | and if so, how can I specify monitor specific settings in lts.conf?
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| 13:28 | <johnny> read your monitor's docs
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| 13:28 | and set the horizontal and vertical settings as necessary
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| 13:28 | !lts.conf
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| 13:28 | <ltspbot> johnny: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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| 13:31 | <thunsucker> LedHed: i ran into that in vbox, my ltsp clients would only go 800x600
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| 13:31 | <LedHed> thunsucker, ok. I'll try forcing 1280x1024 on a physical device.
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| 13:35 | <jammcq> helloooooooo
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| 14:04 | <akuepker_> vbundi: Re: rdesktop, the MultiKey fix caused fairly random keybindings issues with the user. I think the Control keys stopped working entirely and the users couldn't go into full-screen mode on their Win2k7 desktops. My memory's a little fuzzy though and that's been handed off to one of the other technicians to continue. (sorry for the delay. Firewall failure at a remote site had to be fixed.)
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| 14:36 | <denisesball> how would you guys suggest improving gnome/firefox speed? users are complaining its slower than their kde setup that is 5 years old when switching windows, loading javascript etc.
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| 14:46 | <johnny> disable compiz?
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| 14:48 | <denisesball> johnny: yeah i removed that first thing. they never saw that
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| 14:48 | it isn't as "zippy" as kde are the complaints i get
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| 14:48 | which is amazing to me to hear
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| 14:48 | im gonna try giving bigger nbd swap
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| 15:14 | <vagrantc> try lxde?
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| 15:14 | :)
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| 15:20 | <denisesball> i refuse to believe gnome is slower than kde in general
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| 15:20 | gotta be a configuration
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| 15:24 | <Lns> or a distro specific tweak/config
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| 15:28 | <denisesball> Lns: any ideas?
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| 15:29 | <Lns> denisesball: care to re-paste your environment/situation?
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| 15:29 | i just got here
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| 15:30 | <denisesball> Lns: replacing an old debian etch/kde ltsp evironment with an ubuntu 10.04 gnome environment. i have a single user testing right now and he is saying switching between windows and javascript/firefox is slow
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| 15:30 | <Lns> define slow?
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| 15:32 | <denisesball> slower than instantly or than the previous setup. maybe a half second to switch windows. when loading a lightbox type gallery in firefox its a little slow too
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| 15:32 | this is just them comparing to the old servers
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| 15:32 | and the new server has much better hardware
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| 15:33 | <Lns> in my experience debian overall is kind of a slimmer system..but i see little difference between ubu 10.04 and even debian lenny
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| 15:33 | re: firefox, have you gone through to try and optimize it for ltsp?
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| 15:34 | <denisesball> can you be more specific? i've thought of making it a local app
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| 15:35 | <Lns> denisesball: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Firefox3Optimize
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| 15:35 | <denisesball> "This page is specific to Ubuntu versions 8.04"
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| 15:35 | i skipped over that i think
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| 15:35 | i did read that and a lot of things werent working or there anymore
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| 15:36 | <Lns> i'm actually not sure about the java thing, i know that was an issue a while ago but not sure about 10.04
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| 15:36 | is it any java app?
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| 15:36 | <denisesball> i said earlier, im gonna try giving them bigger nbd swap and see if that helps
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| 15:36 | Lns: nah
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| 15:36 | javascript
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| 15:36 | <Lns> oh
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| 15:37 | <denisesball> i also have LDM_DIRECTX=True
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| 15:37 | which helped a bit
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| 15:37 | <Lns> i dunno about nbd swap helping at all..might wanna try localapp firefox first if the terminal hardware is good enough
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| 15:37 | <denisesball> k, will do
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| 15:44 | <denisesball> can anyone think of why i can connect xdmcp to gdm ONLY on the same subnet as the server?
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| 15:44 | i've opened port 177 everywhere
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| 15:49 | <Lns> denisesball: are you using xdmcp for a different reason than ltsp terminal sessions?
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| 15:50 | <denisesball> i'm actually not using it for that at all, just so i can connect remotely
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| 15:50 | and login myself
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| 15:50 | <Lns> ah
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| 15:50 | well check this out
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| 15:50 | http://forums13.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?admit=109447627+1275079887498+28353475&threadId=761178
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| 15:51 | <Lns> basically xdmcp broadcasts only work for the subnet it's on, otherwise you need to use a 'host list' type feature
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| 15:52 | <denisesball> Lns: sweet, let me try and figure this out
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| 15:54 | Lns: is there a link to actually configuring this? the links on that thread ask me to login
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| 15:56 | <Lns> i'm sure it's somewhere in gdm.conf or something?
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| 15:57 | i'm actually not sure, never configured it that way before
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| 15:57 | i normally do vnc/gdm/ssh
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| 15:58 | <denisesball> i just wanna be able to login and reproduce what the techs see
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| 15:58 | i thought xdmcp would be easy :-/
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| 15:58 | <LX01> hi
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| 15:58 | <johnny> easier to just ssh the
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| 15:58 | then
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| 15:59 | <denisesball> johnny: ssh and what?
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| 15:59 | ssh w/x forwarding?
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| 15:59 | <johnny> yes..
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| 15:59 | <denisesball> so how do i get a GUI then?
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| 16:00 | <LX01> some use k12linux ? in fedora 13
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| 16:00 | <johnny> run a command to get one?
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| 16:00 | LX01, noobody here does. please mail their list
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| 16:00 | or ltsp-discuss
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| 16:00 | their list would be best
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| 16:00 | <denisesball> how do i connect to a local gdm/ldm with ssh?
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| 16:00 | <LX01> yes nobody respond :s
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| 16:00 | <johnny> they can tell you why they are slacking
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| 16:00 | <denisesball> err remote
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| 16:00 | <johnny> then .. perhaps you should switch to ubuntu LX01
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| 16:00 | ldm is easier.. that's what ltsp does
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| 16:00 | <LX01> ubuntu never xD
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| 16:01 | <johnny> sorry.. but the fedora people are slacking
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| 16:01 | if htye wn't answer
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| 16:01 | and won't release new versions
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| 16:01 | <denisesball> right, but i havent seen how to connect to ldm over ssh
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| 16:01 | <alkisg> What about neatx?
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| 16:01 | <johnny> you would have to read the screen scripts probably
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| 16:01 | <alkisg> Or do you want ldm specifically?
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| 16:01 | <Lns> denisesball: you wouldn't want to use ldm from a normal workstation
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| 16:01 | <johnny> LX01, this is thier fault
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| 16:01 | as it were
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| 16:02 | <denisesball> all i want to do is connect to the termserver from my office so i can login just the like techs and see what they see for troubleshooting
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| 16:02 | <johnny> i have a feeling they need to adopt a new maintainer, since warren left
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| 16:02 | <denisesball> i dont care how
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| 16:02 | <alkisg> neatx is a good way to do that
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| 16:02 | <denisesball> xdmcp was super easy to enable, but now i have the subnet issue
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| 16:02 | <johnny> if you want to see exactly what they see.. ldm would be best wouldn't it alkisg ?
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| 16:02 | <LX01> :s ok
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| 16:02 | <johnny> slow.. but best
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| 16:02 | <alkisg> ldm only works from ltsp clients though, not from a standalone office pc
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| 16:02 | <johnny> it could?
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| 16:02 | i don't see why it couldn't work alkisg
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| 16:03 | <alkisg> You mean that he'd install the ldm init scripts to a standalone pc?
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| 16:03 | <alkisg> Or just copy the executable?
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| 16:03 | <Lns> ugh
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| 16:03 | <LX01> thanks I'll have to download ubuntu
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| 16:03 | <johnny> sure.. or boot it in a virtual machine
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| 16:03 | <Lns> you guys that's not the best way to do this
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| 16:03 | <johnny> LX01, hopefully they will release the next version soon
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| 16:04 | <LX01> ubuntu 10.10?
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| 16:04 | <johnny> LX01, that's why i started with ubuntu.. because fedora ltsp only had one maintainer
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| 16:04 | <alkisg> johnny: warren left? Where is he working now?
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| 16:04 | <denisesball> Lns: what is then?
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| 16:04 | <johnny> i don't know
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| 16:04 | <Lns> denisesball: this is personally what I do - it'll probably work fine for 10.04 as well. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/GDMVNCInetdssh
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| 16:04 | <johnny> not redhat :)
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| 16:04 | <Lns> i wrote that myself so let me know if it works for you if you decide to try it
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| 16:04 | <LX01> rpm is the best xD
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| 16:04 | <Lns> i'll update to reflect 10.04
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| 16:05 | <alkisg> Lns, have you tried neatx? It does about the same thing, much faster and much easier to setup (just an apt-get install)
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| 16:05 | <denisesball> Lns: i will def try monday. but im not gonna run into the xdmcp different subnet thing again right?
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| 16:05 | <Lns> alkisg: for configuring for gdm sessions too?
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| 16:05 | <denisesball> i mean i could do nomachine nx too really
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| 16:05 | <alkisg> Lns, no, it doesn't use gdm, it gets the credentials itself and uses ssh
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| 16:05 | <Lns> denisesball: the howto i gave you has nothing to do with that - you connect directly via ip
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| 16:05 | <denisesball> im trying to be as simple as possible
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| 16:05 | <Lns> alkisg: neat
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| 16:05 | =)
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| 16:05 | <alkisg> denisesball: neatx is a free nx implementation
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| 16:05 | <alkisg> apt-get install neatx-server ==> ready.
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| 16:06 | <johnny> why isn't there a screen script for it yet then alkisg ? :)
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| 16:06 | <Lns> alkisg: what about nx client side?
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| 16:06 | <alkisg> Because you didn't code one yet :D
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| 16:06 | <Lns> lol
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| 16:06 | <alkisg> Lns, the proprietary nx client works fine in all OSes
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| 16:06 | <denisesball> alkisg: right. the other question is, that's just logging me in as a local user, not a terminal user correct?
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| 16:06 | <Lns> denisesball: same difference
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| 16:06 | <alkisg> Yes, but the terminal user is also a local user
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| 16:07 | Do you have LDM_DIRECTX=false or true?
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| 16:07 | <denisesball> alkisg: i have true
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| 16:08 | <alkisg> You could do the same tricks for X forwarding in a xephyr window if you need the exact same way of transferring the screen
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| 16:08 | I think Gadi has written a script for that
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| 16:09 | <denisesball> alkisg: yep he sent me that once actually. it was a little tricky
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| 16:10 | i guess the thing is what they are complaining about (slowness) i really cant reproduce for sure unless im on the same hardware and at the same location
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| 16:11 | which is ok, as long as i can get the same presentation it will be worth it for other reasons
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| 16:12 | <alkisg> What network connection do you have from office <=> ltsp site?
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| 16:12 | <denisesball> much more than needed
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| 16:12 | either a DS3 or ethernet
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| 16:13 | <alkisg> With ethernet (100mbps?) you could boot a machine (or a vm) as a real ltsp client
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| 16:13 | How fast is a DS3?
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| 16:13 | <Lns> 65mbps?
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| 16:13 | <denisesball> alkisg: yeah but its a completely different subnet. that lab is all segregated with its own dhcp servers and everything
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| 16:14 | <Lns> 45mbit
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| 16:14 | <alkisg> You don't need a dhcp server to boot an ltsp client
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| 16:14 | <denisesball> right, but how can i get it to boot off the ltsp server if im not on that private/dhcp side?
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| 16:14 | <alkisg> You only need to be able to access the nbd port, and preferably the tftp port as well
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| 16:14 | <denisesball> but isnt that only available on the inside port not outside?
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| 16:15 | <alkisg> By default it listens to all interfaces
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| 16:15 | <denisesball> oh, thats interesting
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| 16:15 | how would i do that then?
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| 16:15 | <alkisg> One of many ways to do it is with gpxe
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| 16:15 | You just burn a floppy/cd/usb stick with the specific ip and the kernel to load from there
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| 16:15 | (from rom-o-matic.net)
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| 16:16 | <denisesball> wont it try to get an IP from DHCP after it loads the kernel though?
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| 16:17 | <alkisg> Not if you pass an ip=<parameters> kernel parameter
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| 16:17 | <denisesball> 9. A small DHCP client called ipconfig will then be run, to make another query from the DHCP server. This
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| 16:17 | separate user-space query gets information supplied in the dhcpd.conf file, like the nfs root server, default
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| 16:17 | gateway, and other important parameters.
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| 16:17 | from the manual
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| 16:17 | <denisesball> but ok, i will try that
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| 16:17 | <alkisg> http://codtech.com/wiki/index.php/Ipconfig#interface_spec_long_form
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| 16:17 | denisesball: I've successfully done that, I'm not talking theoretically...
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| 16:18 | <denisesball> sweet, that would be perfect
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| 16:18 | then i would be exactly the same as them, save the connection
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| 16:18 | <alkisg> Right
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| 16:18 | And if security is a concern, you could do it with a vm client over a vpn
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| 16:18 | <denisesball> what ports would i need open to that scenario?
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| 16:19 | <alkisg> nbd, tftp, nbdswap, ssh
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| 16:19 | I.e. 2000, 69, 9571, and 22
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| 16:19 | <denisesball> no udp in there at all?
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| 16:19 | <alkisg> ...I hope I'm not forgetting any
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| 16:20 | <alkisg> tftp is udp
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| 16:21 | <denisesball> There are four basic services required to boot an LTSP thin client. They are:
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| 16:21 | 1. DHCP
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| 16:21 | 2. TFTP
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| 16:21 | 3. NFS or NBD
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| 16:21 | 4. SSH
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| 16:21 | i think you're right
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| 16:21 | well thats enough for this week. thanks a ton guys
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| 16:21 | i will try all this out next week
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| 16:32 | <vagrantc> don't forget ltspfs ...
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| 16:33 | the server needs to talk to a port on the thin client for that to work
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| 16:33 | <alkisg> Ah right, for local usb sticks, cd roms etc
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| 16:33 | <vagrantc> 9220
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| 16:34 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I'd like to remove that poweroff/reboot -fp thing completely, were you telling me the other day that you don't need it in debian? Where's the respective code? In the debian ltsp-client-core.postinst?
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| 16:35 | <vagrantc> alkisg: remove completely as in remove poweroff/reboot or "-fp" part only?
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| 16:35 | <alkisg> The -fp part :)
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| 16:39 | <bihari> any indian here
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| 16:57 | <dcepticon> I am having trouble getting a local printer to work on a thin client
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| 17:11 | <dcepticon> I am having trouble getting a local printer to work on a thin client
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| 18:26 | <Nexusbr> hi all
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| 18:26 | just got LTSP to work :)
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| 18:26 | its awesome!
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| 18:27 | and i'm just wondering, is there a way to create Virtual Machines, and boot one "static image" of a windows instalation within LTSP?
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| 18:28 | so, each thin client connected to LTSP will load a windows VM
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| 18:29 | geez, out of time, i'll check back later
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| 18:29 | thanls
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| 18:29 | thanks
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| 23:00 | <Ahmuck> can somemone post a network config for ltsp. i need to take a look at it. i bypassed setup in ubuntu for the nics upon installation
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| 23:01 | <johnny> isn't there a gui for that?
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| 23:01 | you don't really need anything for a default setup
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| 23:01 | if you're already on the internet.. you don't have to do anything
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| 23:09 | <alkisg> Ahmuck: do you mean /etc/network/interfaces? See the first example there: http://www.servepath.com/support/debian-IP-configuration.php
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| 23:14 | <johnny> alkisg, fedora shipped with a cli interface to networkmanager, i hope ubuntu ships it too
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| 23:14 | would be nice to see such a thing be integrated everywhere
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| 23:14 | <alkisg> Network manager has a critical bug for ltsp where you can't configure a static IP and have the other one with dhcp
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| 23:14 | <johnny> the other one?
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| 23:14 | other nic?
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| 23:14 | <alkisg> So it's pretty much useless for the classical ltsp setup
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| 23:15 | You can't do eth0=static and eth1=dhcp
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| 23:15 | <johnny> hmm.. i wonder why
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| 23:15 | <alkisg> It gets confused and it thinks noone of the connections are managed and it doesn't show any of them. It's been that way for as long as I've been trying it (hardy, I think)
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| 23:18 | <johnny> seems like it should be fixable now..
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| 23:18 | especially since you can't use dhcp and also openvpn
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| 23:18 | err
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| 23:18 | can use*
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| 23:20 | networkmanager's system service is definitely better nowadays
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| 23:20 | i remember when it was almost completely applet based :)
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