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Channel log from 18 September 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 07:21 | <jammcq> g'morning
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| 07:34 | <ogra> hey jammcq
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| 07:34 | <jammcq> hey ogra
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| 07:52 | <osl> hello all, I have a problem in nfs while trying to boot up a thin client, message: mounting mxboot:/opt/xtermroot on /newroot faild
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| 07:55 | <jammcq> osl: that doesn't sound like LTSP
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| 07:56 | <osl> hmm
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| 07:56 | do u think we should look in nfs configuration ?
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| 07:57 | <cliebow_> that sounds like jammcq!!!!!!!!
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| 07:57 | <jammcq> cliebow_: smells like him too
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| 07:57 | <cliebow_> haha!
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| 07:58 | <jammcq> osl: I don't know what you are running, so I don't know where the problem could be
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| 07:58 | <osl> well, I'm working on Mille-xterm
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| 07:58 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 07:58 | <osl> mille-xterm.org
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| 08:02 | <klausade> using ltsp5, I need to set autoneg off on my thinclients nic. on a normal workstation I would do that with "ethtool -s eth0 autoneg off". any pointers how to do that with ltsp5?
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| 08:03 | <osl> my problem rises at the moment when the client trying to mount the file system, where should I look for ?
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| 08:10 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:24 | <klausade> sbalneav: morning. I managed to get X_RAMPERC working, on debian etch. But, using x_ramperc=90 on a machine that only has 64mb ram, and no swap, makes ldm not start. what do you think about that?
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| 08:24 | <sbalneav> I think you need to enable swap
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| 08:24 | or, raise X_RAMPERC
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| 08:25 | <klausade> sbalneav: yes, turning on swap helps, also raising X_RAMPERC. It was just an observation.
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| 08:26 | <sbalneav> Well, obviously, on a lower ram machine, it'll be possible to starve the X process out of ram entirely
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| 08:27 | ldm spawns both X and the greeter, so you've got to have room for all three.
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| 08:27 | given that, on a 64 meg machine, you've probably got no more than 40-45 meg free by the time ldm gets around to executing, it's not surprising.
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| 08:29 | <klausade> sbalneav: so, whats the real-life difference between X_RAMPERC=80 and X_RAMPERC=95?
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| 08:29 | <sbalneav> What do you mean?
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| 08:29 | 15 %
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| 08:33 | <klausade> sbalneav: I mean, if both X_RAMPERC=95 and X_RAMPERC=80 works for me, which one should I use?
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| 08:34 | <sbalneav> 95, obviously. That will dedicate the most amount of ram to the X process.
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| 08:35 | It's just a case of giving the machine just enough headroom to allow it to die gracefully when it exhausts all it's memory.
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| 08:35 | as opposed to the kernel hitting it over the head with a hammer.
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| 08:36 | if it works for you at 99 or 98, that's even better.
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| 08:39 | Morning Gadi!
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| 08:39 | <Gadi> morning, sbalneav (/me says in groggy tone)
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| 08:40 | <sbalneav> You need more coffee!
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| 08:40 | <Gadi> indeed - tried to have a cup before I left home and the cup was out of the dishwasher still a bit soapy
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| 08:40 | enough to ruin the whole day
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| 09:17 | <rjune_> Gadi !
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| 09:28 | <Petaris> Hello
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| 09:28 | Are there any K12LTSP users here?
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| 09:29 | I have a K12 specific question and I don't have time to wait for a mail list answer (I have searched the mail list for the answer though)
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| 09:30 | I want to setup a default profile in /etc/skel but it seems to be being ignored when a new user logs on
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| 09:31 | <Petaris> to create the profile I have a local user that I setup the way I wanted and then used an rsync script I created to copy it to /etc/skel
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| 09:31 | I have done everything I can think of to take, even restarting the server
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| 09:32 | <Petaris> I did back up /etc/skel before copying over it just in case that breaks something else
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| 09:53 | <Petaris> Hi highvolt1ge
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| 10:53 | <klausade> Petaris: only when you _create_ a new user is the stuff copied in from /etc/skel.
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| 10:54 | <Petaris> klausade, so where would my LDAP users (who have not logged into the system before) get their profile from?
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| 11:00 | <klausade> Petaris: quit often the homedir is made at the same time as the account in ldap is made. If homedirs are on a different server than ldap, you could use pam_mkhomedir.so to copy stuff in the first time they logon.
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| 11:17 | <Petaris> klausade, ahh
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| 11:18 | your right they are made but it is on an OS X server so I wouldn't have thought that would matter
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| 11:25 | <Petaris> klausade: Do you think I could do it with a login script that only runs if it doesn't see some file file in the users home dir?
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| 11:25 | hrm
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| 11:25 | it would need to complete before xfce loaded though
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| 11:26 | <vagrantc> just use a ~/.xsession file...
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| 11:26 | well, not knowing what you're doing ...
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| 11:27 | <Petaris> vagrantc, I am trying to copy a profile that I setup to all of the LDAP users who logon
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| 11:27 | <vagrantc> profile, as in sabayon ?
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| 11:27 | <Petaris> so that they will have our custom settings
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| 11:27 | as in user
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| 11:28 | that which is contained in /etc/skel
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| 11:28 | <vagrantc> so, a make-homedirs-on-login sort of thing?
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| 11:28 | <Petaris> well, kind of
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| 11:29 | their homedirs exist on the OS X server, but no settings for the ltsp server
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| 11:29 | <vagrantc> then it is not contained in /etc/skel ?
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| 11:29 | <Petaris> yes, thats where I put it but its ignoring it
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| 11:29 | <ogra> what exactl do you put there ?
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| 11:30 | *exactly
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| 11:30 | <vagrantc> what exactly is put where ?
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| 11:30 | <Petaris> Hi ogra
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| 11:30 | ok
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| 11:30 | <ogra> hey
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| 11:30 | <Petaris> I created a local (non-LDAP) user on my ltsp box
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| 11:30 | I set this user up the way I wanted all users to be
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| 11:31 | I then used an rsync script to copy that to /etc/skel
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| 11:31 | this worked with edubuntu last year
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| 11:31 | but not with k12ltsp this year
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| 11:31 | a key difference is that last year I was using active dir for auth and this year open ldap
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| 11:32 | no local home directories are created
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| 11:32 | *on the ltsp box
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| 11:33 | <ogra> so rather a pam issue i guess
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| 11:33 | <Petaris> so how do I pass my settings on to the LDAP users the first time they login to the LTSP clients
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| 11:33 | ogra: could be, I don't know
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| 11:33 | <vagrantc> libpam-mkhomedir or something ...
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| 11:34 | <Petaris> I thought it would still pull the settings from /etc/skel as the settings don't exist for the users in OS X
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| 11:34 | <Petaris> so they have to come from somewhere
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| 11:34 | <vagrantc> if it's not creating the home directory ...
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| 11:34 | <vagrantc> or if the home directory already exists ... it's not going to do anything.
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| 11:34 | typically
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| 11:35 | <Petaris> its not because said dir exists on the os x server
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| 11:35 | <vagrantc> the only time /etc/skel is used, typically, is during account creation
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| 11:35 | <Petaris> hrm
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| 11:35 | there must be a way
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| 11:35 | <ogra> and not even by all tools ...
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| 11:36 | <vagrantc> relying on configurations in /etc/skel is a bad idea anyways.
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| 11:36 | <Petaris> can I force a login script for all users that login from LDAP?
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| 11:36 | * ogra never can remember if its useradd or adduser tat doesnt set up anything by default | |
| 11:36 | <Gadi> Petaris: is the ldap server on the k12ltsp box?
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| 11:36 | <vagrantc> because, if you change the default configuration, only new users get the configuration
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| 11:36 | <Petaris> Gadi: an OS X server
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| 11:36 | <vagrantc> ogra: depends on the distro ... heh :)
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| 11:37 | <ogra> heh
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| 11:37 | <vagrantc> ogra: i seem to recall debian and redhat-derivatives being exactly opposite.
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| 11:37 | * ogra would recommend to make proper global default settings instead of tweaking /etc/skel | |
| 11:37 | <Gadi> Petaris: so why not use mkhomedir?
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| 11:37 | <Petaris> vagrantc, right, but I figured since they wouldn't have the settings for xfce or the ltsp box created for them already that it would take them from /etc/ skel
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| 11:37 | <vagrantc> ogra: yeah, that's what i was getting at :)
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| 11:37 | Petaris: i think you were figuring wrongly.
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| 11:38 | <Petaris> ogra: that would work too, but where would I put them?
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| 11:38 | <vagrantc> Petaris: in /etc ?
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| 11:38 | <Petaris> Gadi: they already have homedirs, and I don't want to wip out their documents
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| 11:39 | <Gadi> ah
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| 11:39 | <vagrantc> i.e. /etc/kde* for KDE configuration ... probably /etc/gnome* for gnome configurations ...
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| 11:39 | sure beats copying files into home directories
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| 11:39 | <Gadi> well, if xfce uses gconf (not sure if it does) you can use gconf-editor to set up most things
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| 11:40 | or, dare I say it, sabayon
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| 11:40 | <ogra> Petaris, whereever the desktop environment you use respects them :)
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| 11:40 | for gnome i'D use /usr/chare/gconf/defaults/ and have an override file there ...
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| 11:40 | <ogra> xfce probably uses something in /etc
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| 11:42 | <Gadi> I still like using sudo gconf-editor for gnome
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| 11:43 | a lot easier than mucking with the xml files
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| 11:43 | <ogra> no xml involved
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| 11:43 | did you ever look at the files in this dir ?
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| 11:44 | <ltsppbot> "ogra" pasted "/usr/share/gconf/defaults/20-edubuntu for Gadi" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/320
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| 11:44 | <Gadi> ah, /usr/share
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| 11:44 | * Gadi was thinking /etc/gconf | |
| 11:44 | <Gadi> hmm, actually I never have
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| 11:44 | good tip! ;)
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| 11:45 | still not the most intuitive
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| 11:45 | :)
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| 11:45 | <ogra> you can force the order with the sequence numbers ... and it wont get overwritten by anything :)
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| 11:45 | <Gadi> in gconf-editor you can set as Default or as Mandatory
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| 11:45 | <ogra> its a beautiful easily system :)
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| 11:47 | * vagrantc loves multi-layered configuration | |
| 11:47 | <vagrantc> that's at the heart of ltsp-build-client plugins :)
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| 11:47 | <ogra> yeah :)
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| 11:47 | <vagrantc> the only downside is when there are incompatible changes ...
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| 11:49 | but that's usually just going to be a pain no matter what
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| 12:33 | <bricode> Do you have to update the image after updating the ssh-keys?
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| 12:34 | <sbalneav> yes
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| 12:34 | <ogra> in gutsy at least
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| 12:38 | <sbalneav> We should come up with some kind of tarball overlay, like with the lts.conf, for those sorts of things.
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| 12:39 | <sbalneav> As well, what I want to spend 10 minutes on at some point is a "viltsconf" command, like "visudo", that firgures out where your ltsp.conf file is (depending on if you're nfs or nbd chroot) and uses the $EDITOR variable to edit the file.
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| 12:40 | <ogra> sbalneav, well ... you dont *need* to use a tmpfs for the wireteable bits in the union/squashfs setup
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| 12:41 | <ogra> you could as well mount an ext2 image instead of the tmpfs
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| 12:41 | <ogra> so if you llop mount both on the server and merge them in a unionfs there, you can do changes directly
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| 12:42 | <sbalneav> Well, either way. Something so that adding custom xorg.conf's or changing sshkeys doesn't require a rebuild.
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| 12:42 | <ogra> without rebuilding the image
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| 12:42 | that was initially my idea for hardy to get rid of the chroot
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| 12:42 | <sbalneav> Just use the base os, eh?
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| 12:43 | <ogra> well, use the squashfs we build with ltsp-build-client but make all changes go live into a rw mounted ext2 image
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| 12:43 | and mount that instead of the tmpfs
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| 12:43 | would save client ram as well
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| 12:44 | <sbalneav> hm
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| 12:44 | Interesting.
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| 12:44 | <ogra> it adds some security challenges though
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| 12:44 | <sbalneav> heh, doesn't everything? :)
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| 12:45 | <ogra> well, mounting the rw image over the net ...
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| 12:45 | btw did you notice how utterly broken unionfs is atm ?
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| 12:46 | booting a thin client gets my server into constant beeping from syslog getting oopses from the client
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| 12:46 | <sbalneav> I've heard some rumblings, and seen some error messages, but it seems to keep working.
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| 12:47 | Someone on top of it? This upstream breakage, or ubuntu breakage?
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| 12:48 | * vagrantc would be surprised to see upstream changes this late in a release cycle | |
| 12:48 | <ogra> ubuntu breakage, being dealt with
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| 12:49 | it broke with the last kernel update
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| 12:49 | <sbalneav> Cool.
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| 12:49 | <ogra> and affects the liveCD more than us
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| 12:49 | (we keep booting, they dont ;P)
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| 12:49 | <sbalneav> heh, bit of a priority then :)
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| 12:50 | <ogra> well, it seems not to do any harm to thin clientns, everything works as expected, its just noisy and leaves a bad feeling
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| 12:50 | <diadicic> can someone help me understand how to setup an autologin from a remote Terminal using KDM. I've read through the mailing list but can't understand how to get it going.
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| 12:50 | * ogra has no idea about kdm | |
| 12:50 | * vagrantc finally got the alsa -> pulse support working for debian | |
| 12:51 | <ogra> yay
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| 12:51 | * ogra applauds | |
| 12:51 | <diadicic> ogra: do you know how to do it with GDM?
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| 12:51 | <vagrantc> it amounted to adding a few lines in asound.conf and install libasound2-plugins
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| 12:51 | the hard part was "a few lines"
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| 12:52 | not having a clue how alsa is configured
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| 12:52 | <ogra> diadicic, yes, its documented in the wiki
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| 12:52 | yeah, you need asoundconf
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| 12:52 | <vagrantc> asoundconf wasn't useful at all
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| 12:52 | <ogra> uh ?
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| 12:52 | thats what sets up the virtual alsa device
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| 12:53 | <vagrantc> running it listed no devices, even after i got it working
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| 12:53 | <ogra> and since that has to happen per user we have it in XSession.d
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| 12:53 | it wont list anything
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| 12:54 | asoundconf set-pulseaudio
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| 12:54 | <vagrantc> hm. i just set a global default in /etc/asound.conf
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| 12:54 | <ogra> thats what you want
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| 12:54 | and PULSE_SERVER to be set right
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| 12:54 | <diadicic> ogra: I will check it out again but, I pretty sure that it didn't work, and I it was sugested that I use KDM.
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| 12:54 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 12:54 | <ogra> diadicic, well, in ltsp5 we dont use either ,,,
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| 12:55 | <vagrantc> ogra: i just set the global default to use pulse instead ... but a per-user thing would probably be a good idea...
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| 12:55 | <Gadi> diadicic: it should work in gdm
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| 12:55 | <ogra> vagrantc, if you set a global default it will also affect logins on the server
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| 12:55 | <vagrantc> ogra: sure.
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| 12:55 | <Gadi> make sure your user is set to your loginscript|
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| 12:55 | with the pipe (|) on the end
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| 12:55 | <ogra> vagrantc, the right way would be to have it in a ldm rc script ....
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| 12:55 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 12:56 | <ogra> and we should have post-session rc scripts to revert changes in ldm
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| 12:57 | <vagrantc> i did seem to have problems with floppy ltspfs mounts not unmounting sometimes ...
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| 13:00 | <ogra> yeah i saw you moaning last night in the rare seconds i was online during my mega upload
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| 13:00 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 13:00 | <ogra> actually that were the only messages that got through here in 8h :P
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| 13:00 | <sbalneav> ogra: BTW, did I mention: bugfixes in ltspfs-upstream?
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| 13:00 | <ogra> beyond 0.5 ?
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| 13:00 | <vagrantc> cdpinger is borked
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| 13:01 | <ogra> who cares
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| 13:01 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 13:01 | <ogra> if they dont have bread, why dont they eat cacke ?
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| 13:01 | *cake
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| 13:01 | sbalneav, will merge, thanks
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| 13:03 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: do you think it needs "from subprocess import *" or will "from subprocess import call" be sufficient? i.e. do we use any other parts of subprocess ?
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| 13:03 | that worked for me, and it's a bit cleaner
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| 13:05 | <ogra> * is evil
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| 13:05 | especially on limited ram
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| 13:08 | <diadicic> Gadi: Should there be one pip or two. (loginscript |) or (loginscript ||)?
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| 13:09 | <Gadi> diadicic: one
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| 13:09 | at the end
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| 13:09 | no space
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| 13:09 | <loather-work> vagrantc: i tried out your fedora bootstrap last night
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| 13:09 | <Gadi> and the script should return a username
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| 13:09 | <loather-work> it bails at the first yum commands
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| 13:09 | i think there might be a fedora-release-*.rpm that might need to be installed first
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| 13:09 | <diadicic> ok. in the wiki it has two at the end of each line.
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| 13:09 | <loather-work> lemme see if i can figure it out
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| 13:10 | <diadicic> also, is the autologin.sh script in the wiki ok to use?
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| 13:10 | <vagrantc> loather-work: weird.
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| 13:10 | loather-work: the chroot i had was a very basic fedora environment
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| 13:11 | <loather-work> Error: Cannot retrieve repository metadata (repomd.xml) for repository: %s. Please verify its path and try again <--- is the error that happens
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| 13:11 | <Gadi> I haven't looked at the wiki in a while, but all the script needs to do is print the username of the user to be logged in
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| 13:11 | <loather-work> plus, for whatever reason, it tries to install to /opt/ltsp/amd64, rather than i386, like it should
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| 13:11 | <Gadi> the idea is that it will use the DISPLAY variable to figure out what thin client it is and map that to a username
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| 13:11 | <diadicic> Gadi: I am not good at bash scripting yet.
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| 13:12 | I don't know how to do it.
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| 13:12 | <loather-work> i'll figure out the architecture thing later -- it needs to at least install first
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| 13:12 | <Gadi> ah. do you have the wiki link handy
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| 13:12 | I can take a peak at what they have there
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| 13:12 | er, peek
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| 13:12 | stupid keyboard
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| 13:14 | <diadicic> the only output I get from this script is :0.0
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| 13:15 | <Gadi> you're prolly running it on the server
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| 13:15 | if it is run from a thin client, you should get something different
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| 13:15 | <diadicic> ok. I will check it out
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| 13:16 | <Gadi> the DISPLAY variable tells applications where to display themselves
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| 13:16 | <rjune_> Gadi: !
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| 13:16 | <Gadi> it is of the form: <host>:<display>.<srceen>
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| 13:16 | rjune_: !!!
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| 13:16 | <rjune_> you coming to indiana this month?
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| 13:16 | or is it next?
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| 13:16 | <Gadi> is there a hoe-down?
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| 13:16 | ;)
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| 13:17 | bec i only go to indiana for hoe-downs and hootinannies
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| 13:17 | <rjune_> you betcha
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| 13:17 | an OSS hoe down sponsored by the IN DOE
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| 13:17 | <Gadi> really?
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| 13:18 | <rjune_> yup
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| 13:18 | <Gadi> got details?
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| 13:18 | <rjune_> gimme a sec
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| 13:18 | <Gadi> watch out for sharp edges!
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| 13:19 | <rjune_> http://daveshields.wordpress.com/2007/09/14/first-k-12-open-minds-conference-october-9-11-2007-in-indianapolis-indiana/
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| 13:23 | <Gadi> wow - big conf
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| 13:24 | <rjune_> yup
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| 13:25 | <diadicic> Gadi: I have not figured it out yet but I know a little more thanks to you. I figured out how the $DISPLAY works.
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| 13:25 | Off to experiment. Thanks again
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| 13:26 | <Gadi> diadicic: np - it makes more sense as you dig deeper
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| 13:26 | but, you'll never get it working if you don't understand what its trying to do
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| 13:26 | sometimes the wikis leave that out :)
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| 13:26 | <rjune_> sometimes?
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| 13:26 | Gadi: you ever do smbldap?
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| 13:26 | <Gadi> sure
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| 13:28 | <cliebow_> rjune_:yuou playing with smbldap?
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| 13:29 | Gadi:So if you want to change password used to join domain..which do you change?
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| 13:29 | <ogra> loather-work, so youre taking over fedora development ?
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| 13:29 | for ltsp5 ?
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| 13:30 | <loather-work> haha, i don't know about that :P but I'll definitely assist.
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| 13:30 | <Gadi> cliebow: what do you mean which?
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| 13:30 | <loather-work> I just need to get it to work for the moment; if I have some time to maintain it, I'll grab the hat and run with it
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| 13:31 | <cliebow_> if you add a windows machine you are promprted for user and pw..i ve never been sure which root account it uses??
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| 13:31 | <ogra> loather-work, wellm, given you are the only one actively working on something for fedora now ... i'd consider you a lead not an assistant ;)
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| 13:32 | <loather-work> haha, indeed ... well, i suppose I am, then
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| 13:32 | <Gadi> cliebow_: the one in ldap
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| 13:41 | <rjune_> cliebow_: yup
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| 13:42 | My smb server can't find my username in ldap
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| 13:42 | cliebow_: look at GOsa
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| 13:42 | if I can work out my problem, it'll be nifty
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| 13:42 | <Gadi> rjune_: did you do: smbpasswd -w
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| 13:43 | <rjune_> yup
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| 13:43 | Sep 18 14:37:28 vm-auth slapd[15660]: conn=12 op=2 SRCH base="dc=imagestream,dc=com" scope=2 deref=0 filter="(&(uid=rjune)(objectClass=sambaSamAccount))"
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| 13:43 | Sep 18 14:37:28 vm-auth slapd[15660]: conn=12 op=2 SRCH attr=uid uidNumber gidNumber homeDirectory sambaPwdLastSet sambaPwdCanChange sambaPwdMustChange sambaLogonTime sambaLogoffTime sambaKickoffTime cn sn displayName sambaHomeDrive sambaHomePath sambaLogonScript sambaProfilePath description sambaUserWorkstations sambaSID sambaPrimaryGroupSID sambaLMPassword sambaNTPassword sambaDomainName objectClass sambaAcctFlags sambaMungedDial
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| 13:43 | sambaBadPasswordCount sambaBadPasswordTime sambaPasswordHistory modifyTimestamp sambaLogonHours modifyTimestamp uidNumber
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| 13:43 | Sep 18 14:37:28 vm-auth slapd[15660]: <= bdb_equality_candidates: (uid) index_param failed (18)
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| 13:43 | that's from my ldap log
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| 13:43 | but I can do a manual search on that filter with those attr, and it works fine
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| 13:45 | <Gadi> make sure you do smbpasswd -w after any update to the dn info in smb.conf
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| 13:45 | any change in the smb.conf's info requires reissuing smbpasswd -w
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| 13:46 | <rjune_> still fails
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| 13:49 | <Gadi> ssl?
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| 13:57 | <rjune_> as in ldap ssl?
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| 13:57 | not using it, using plain old ldap
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| 13:57 | samba connects to the ldap server and tries to find my username, but doesn't find it
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| 14:20 | <rjune_> found my problem. kind of
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| 14:24 | <Gadi> gotta run. don't be a stranger, rjune_
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| 14:24 | <loather-work> ok, i finally got it to begin installing.
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| 14:24 | * ogra applauds | |
| 14:25 | <loather-work> it required a bit of haxery that I'm not happy with, but it seems to be doing the right thing so far
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| 16:30 | <sbalneav> Heading home, be on later tonight.
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| 16:31 | <ogra> ciao sbalneav
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| 16:31 | * ogra will be off then | |
| 16:38 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: Congratulations!!! the C port of LDM is wonderfull... here I have about 40 seconds to be up...
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| 17:02 | <charlie_21> hi all
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| 17:03 | <loather-work> ugh, yum sucks
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| 17:03 | <charlie_21> Is there such a formula to determine the amount of cpu power needed to accommodate the amount of users need
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| 17:03 | using an ltsp server
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| 17:04 | <loather-work> that depends entirely on the workload
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| 17:05 | <charlie_21> workload
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| 17:05 | ok
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| 17:05 | how can you determina that
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| 17:05 | <loather-work> and really, you'll notice that CPU bandwidth won't be the determining factor
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| 17:05 | it'll more likely be memory size
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| 17:05 | <charlie_21> but memory
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| 17:06 | is
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| 17:06 | so its ok to have a pentium four for 50 users
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| 17:06 | ??
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| 17:06 | what I am trying to say
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| 17:07 | <loather-work> for instance, we have a box here that runs 4.3, and it's got a dual core opteron 270 and 4G RAM
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| 17:07 | <charlie_21> that system is good for 50 users
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| 17:07 | <loather-work> it serves 25 clients and sits around 20-30% CPU, and almost all the memory used
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| 17:07 | it would benefit from 8G of memory
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| 17:08 | but the CPU is fine. With 50 users, I wouldn't go any less than 8G and 4 cores. This is for a full GNOME desktop on each station.
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| 17:09 | <charlie_21> ok
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| 17:10 | but because of that information
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| 17:10 | cant there be a formula to be determined for this to work
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| 17:10 | it would be interesting to have that
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| 17:10 | <loather-work> no, such a formula wouldn't really be deterministic
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| 17:10 | all my clients are just running web browsers
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| 17:11 | if they were doing anything intensive, it wouldn't be sufficient
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| 17:11 | <charlie_21> I see
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| 17:12 | I know that alot of things play a factor in this situation
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| 17:12 | we have the desktop environment
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| 17:12 | XFCE 4 Gnome KDE JWM
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| 17:13 | and the applications being used on the system
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| 17:14 | but such a formula will only give a basic understanding as to where it should start
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| 17:14 | example when there are system requirements for an os
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| 17:14 | it states it can run with minimum 256 mb
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| 17:15 | that kind of information is really nice to have
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| 17:16 | does anybody in the channel see what I am talking about
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| 21:17 | <loather-work> ah, well, closer to having fedora integration
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| 21:18 | as soon as i get a working (booting and logging in) system i'm going to work on paring down the package list to a minimum and getting the additional features to work, like remote devices and sound
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| 21:40 | <joebob777as7> while you're at it loather-work get compiz to work
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| 21:44 | <loather-work> haha, i'll let someone else tackle *that* can of worms ;)
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| 21:44 | my stations don't even have 3D hardware
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| 21:45 | <sbalneav> haha, that's what *I* said :)
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| 21:47 | <loather-work> haha, to be honest all I wanted to do was download that ubuntu tarball and run with it
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| 21:47 | however, it looks like that's not going to work too well
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| 21:47 | so headfirst into the deep end I go
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| 21:47 | (and now I'm the LTSP fedora maintainer by popular demand!)
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| 21:49 | <sbalneav> loather-work: Well, after I get done with Gutsy, i was planning on spending some time getting an up-to-date tarball working with Fedora
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| 21:49 | but if you're porting, so much the better.
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| 21:54 | <loather-work> we'll see how it goes -- i hope to at least have a terminal booting by tomorrow
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| 21:55 | my biggest barrier to quick development is my slowass internet connection here
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| 21:55 | *never* get T1 circuits through cox.
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| 21:56 | <jammcq> hello kidz
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| 21:56 | <loather-work> hi there.
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