IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 12 September 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:00 | <amol> jhonny,hi at last yestrday i able to solve file not found error..but now i am getting error about nic card driver
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| 02:01 | johnny,i am having nic card 8168 realtek
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| 02:02 | johnny, but no driver is available in initrd
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| 02:02 | <johnny> there are instructions available to rebuild it
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| 02:02 | i don't happen to know how myself
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| 02:02 | <amol> johnny, how to rebuild??
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| 02:02 | <johnny> i just told you i don't know how
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| 02:03 | but there are instructions available online somewhere i'm sure
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| 02:04 | <amol> johnny,if i change nic card to rtl8139 then will it work??
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| 02:05 | <johnny> probably
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| 02:05 | i seems common..
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| 02:06 | i'm sure it wouldn't be hard to find how to modify the initramfs
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| 02:06 | probably only a command or 2
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| 02:06 | <amol> johnny,to boot from network card is anything extra inbuuilt PXE require in it??
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| 02:06 | <johnny> oh.. in the network card?
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| 02:07 | good question.. does it have a pxeboot rom on it?
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| 02:07 | <amol> johnny, yes
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| 02:07 | <johnny> then just getting it in there should work
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| 02:07 | the driver
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| 02:09 | <amol> johnny, hmm how to know that new rtl8139 has pxeboot rom inbuilt??
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| 02:09 | <johnny> look at it?
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| 02:09 | is there an empty chip holder?
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| 02:10 | of course.. you could always make rom-o-matic stuff and just buy the chips and burn em.. or just boot em off the floppy or cds
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| 02:10 | i've done that before
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| 02:10 | one of my pc's requires it.. something about it's pxe boot is screwed, so i have a floppy i keep in there, (covered over with tape)
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| 04:37 | <acp_> hi i just subscribe from ltsp-developer mailing list and my post are being held because Message has a suspicious header even I have just reply to a mail any idea why?
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| 04:38 | <Nubae> hmmm, what's the message u're getting?
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| 04:38 | <johnny> hola Nubae ..
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| 04:38 | <Nubae> buenas dias johnny
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| 04:40 | <acp_> I have just reply from a mail that was sent by one of the developer then agot a reply that it still needs approval from moderator The reason it is being held: Message has a suspicious header
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| 04:42 | <Nubae> acp_: what mail program do u use?
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| 04:43 | <acp_> Nubae: Im just using gmail through web
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| 04:45 | <Nubae> then its weird... try sending again
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| 04:45 | <acp_> ok
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| 04:50 | Nubae: i tried it again by reply to a to original mail Re: [Ltsp-developer] ALSA Volume Setting function I stil get Your message to Ltsp-developer awaits moderator approval and regarding the header
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| 04:55 | <Nubae> you'll have to wait and see then, the moderator will let it through if it causes no problems
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| 05:15 | <zamba> ogra: when in kiosk mode, is it possible to reset everything after a given time of inactivity?
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| 06:26 | <ace_suares> hi there
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| 06:26 | for a server, it's better to use a Xeon then a regular core2duo ??
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| 07:11 | <loca|host> hello all
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| 07:12 | i've installed the kiosk plugin and have a graphik resolution problem, when i chroot to my i386 on the LTSP server, i dont find the xorg.conf file in /etc/X11, but from my thin client, opening a console i get it
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| 07:12 | how is it working ? i need to modify it offline so i can set the resolution i need
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| 07:13 | <ogra> ltsp-client-core calls the configure-x.sh script on boot
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| 07:13 | configure-x.sh uses lts.conf variables as overrides
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| 07:15 | you can start off with something like X_MODE_0=1024x768 in lts.conf ... but usually broken resolution means that your monitor reports its DDC value wrongly so you probably need to set X_HORZSYNC X_VERTREFRESH to the values from your monitor handbook
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| 07:15 | <loca|host> ogra, thank you !
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| 07:15 | <lejo> or boot it with a live cd, prepare a working xorg.conf and make sure it's loaded for that specific client
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| 07:16 | <ogra> right, thats the alternative
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| 07:16 | dont forget ltsp-update-image for that
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| 07:17 | <cyberorg> ogra, some of the TC hanging at boot got fixed yesterday, we had i686 glibc, using i586 fixed it :)
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| 07:18 | now all kinds of TC work
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| 07:18 | <loca|host> ogra, concerning the kiosk plugin, firefox is not started on the fly, when my thin client boots, it shows an empty desktop and still waiting for a keyboard/mous button event to raise firefox, i didnt find where to get it running from the box without waiting the user
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| 07:20 | <Nubae> x_horizsync is the easiest fix... worked for me on various 19 inch and 20 inch monitors which weren't detected automatically
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| 07:20 | unfrotunately x_mode by itself didnt do it
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| 07:22 | I wrote up a bug report about the tux suite cuasing freezes, but its probably a good idea to recommend against people using those apps until they are fixed, as it just gives ltsp an unneeded bad name
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| 07:23 | <Nubae> in the fedora wiki, they recommend _not_ installing any tux suite stuff
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| 07:23 | <loca|host> Nubae, i should put it in [Default] section or not ?
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| 07:24 | <Nubae> well, for the [mac:add:ress] in question is better
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| 07:26 | <amol1> cyberorg,i am getting error as could not find kernel image: linux
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| 07:26 | <ogra> loca|host, for the input issue a very odd but probably workable workaround is to install xautomation in the chroot and add a keypress to the .xsession script or some such
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| 07:27 | or a mouseclick
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| 07:27 | <amol1> Nubae,i am getting error as could not find kernel image: linux
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| 07:28 | at workstation
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| 07:28 | <Nubae> so tftp works now then?
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| 07:29 | <cyberorg> amol1, you are missing kernel in your tftpboot, find the instructions for getting boot images there
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| 07:29 | <amol1> Nubae, yes now tftp is working
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| 07:29 | <ogra> Nubae, i'll try to look into the tux4kids stuff if i find time, but thats a longstanding issue
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| 07:31 | <Nubae> is tuxlabs responsible for making those?
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| 07:31 | the guys in SA?
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| 07:31 | <amol1> cyberorg, i checked kernel image is in /tftpboot folder
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| 07:32 | <Nubae> amol1: have u checked log files?
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| 07:32 | to see which image its trying to load
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| 07:32 | <amol1> Nubae, which log files..syslog?
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| 07:33 | <ogra> Nubae, nope, tuxlabs is/was setting up ltsp classrooms they dont do much development
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| 07:34 | <Nubae> ogra: yeah they sent me an email asking for help =)
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| 07:34 | <amol1> cyberorg, in /tftpboot folder i am having lts/vmlinuz-2.6.16.1-ltsp-2 lts/2.6.16.1-ltsp-1/bzImage-2.6.16.1-ltsp-1
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| 07:35 | <Nubae> theyre doing a big 1000 user setup
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| 07:35 | <amol1> lts/2.6.16.1-ltsp-1/pxelinux.0
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| 07:36 | lts/2.6.16.1-ltsp-1/pxelinux.d/default
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| 07:36 | Nubae, is any extra files require to boot?
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| 07:36 | <ogra> 2.6.16.1-ltsp-1 ? that smells like ltsp4
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| 07:38 | <amol1> ogra,yes it ltsp4.2
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| 07:38 | <ogra> phew ...
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| 07:38 | any rason that you take the old unsupported stuff
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| 07:38 | ?
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| 07:39 | <amol1> ogra,no but i got on website..and first time i am configuring ltsp..
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| 07:40 | <Nubae> amol1: it may be easier for u to install something newer first, play with it, and then if you want go back to ltsp 4.2
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| 07:40 | <amol1> Nubae, now it is almost completed if we can able to detect kernel at workstation..
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| 07:41 | * ogra wouldnt suggest to anyone to go back to 4.2 ... it didnt see development or security maintenance for 3 years | |
| 07:41 | <ogra> and uses a really ancient X
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| 07:42 | thats why the download page says: "LTSP-4.2 is OLD. We definitely recommend that you use LTSP-5."
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| 07:42 | <Nubae> some of the lists are convinced its better to stick to the old stuff... I disagree, but the fedora list is really stuck to using the 4.2 stuff
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| 07:42 | <ogra> Nubae, well, up to them
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| 07:43 | but even jammcq recommends against 4.x now
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| 07:43 | and he as the author should know :)
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| 07:43 | (he made that change on the download page on the wiki)
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| 07:43 | <Nubae> not to mention, if people don't test 5 its a little difficult to squash bugs
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| 07:43 | <ogra> yeah, that as well
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| 07:44 | * ogra is mostly concerned abotu the huge security holes in X and the kernel 4.x collected over time | |
| 07:44 | <ogra> ... through not being updated
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| 07:44 | or developed
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| 07:45 | <amol1> Nubae, ogra where can i get ltsp5 ??
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| 07:45 | <ogra> amol1, depends on your distro
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| 07:45 | what do you use as server ?
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| 07:45 | <amol1> ogra, i am using debian based BOSS
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| 07:45 | <ogra> !debian
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| 07:45 | <ltspbot> ogra: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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| 07:46 | <amol1> ogra, yes
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| 07:46 | <ogra> see what the bot spitted out ... the second url has howtows for debian
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| 07:47 | <Nubae> what's a BOSS?
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| 07:47 | <amol1> ogra, i tried with it but i was facing some problems to build client..like no chroot_ltsp file in /etc folder
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| 07:47 | <amol1> Nubae, bharat operating system solution www.bosslinux.in
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| 07:48 | <ogra> amol1, /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/chroot_ltsp gets created durign ltsp-build-client
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| 07:49 | <Nubae> amol1: why don't you download the ubuntu cd and install from that... its by far the easiest way, guaranteed to pretty much work
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| 07:49 | <ogra> you *dont* install the ltsp-client package on the server
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| 07:49 | <loca|host> Nubae, what's the value u gave to x_horizsync ?
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| 07:49 | <Nubae> what was in the documentation for my monitors ;-)
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| 07:49 | <ogra> loca|host, note if you use a wrong one on a tube monitor that it can fry the monitor ... really, check your handbook
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| 07:50 | <Nubae> loca|host: u can type your monitor into google and get the values that way too
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| 07:50 | <loca|host> ogra, it's and LCD 16" Wide monitor
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| 07:50 | <ogra> usually :)
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| 07:50 | well LCDs usually cope with that
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| 07:51 | <amol1> Nubae, no i like to use boss and i wanted to make on it..
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| 07:51 | * Nubae is still sitting infront of 2 21" sony trinitrons | |
| 07:52 | <Nubae> amol1: thats fine, then follow the instructions ogra gave u
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| 07:52 | <amol1> ogra, yes it should create but not creating and giving error as no file available as chrrot
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| 07:52 | Nubae, yes
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| 07:52 | <loca|host> ok i found it
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| 07:52 | it's hsync: 81.40 kHz
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| 07:53 | <ogra> usually it boils down to: apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone openssh-server; ltsp-build-client
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| 07:53 | after that finished you should have a working ltsp5
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| 07:53 | <loca|host> i write it like that ? X_HORIZSYNC=81.40 kHz ?
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| 07:53 | <ogra> loca|host, no, it needs to be a range
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| 07:53 | and no units
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| 07:54 | <loca|host> range ? :)
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| 07:54 | <ogra> 81.40-89.2
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| 07:54 | or some such
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| 07:54 | and omit the unit (no kHz)
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| 07:56 | <amol1> ogra, i am having one doubt about i want to build ltsp client enviornment for BOSS not for debian then what should i use in ltsp-build-client
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| 07:56 | <Nubae> heh, u cant do that
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| 07:57 | <amol1> Nubae, why??
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| 07:57 | <Nubae> unless u want to start hacking your chroot
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| 07:57 | <Nubae> well, you'll get all the boss programs I suppose
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| 07:57 | <amol1> Nubae, can you please clear it??
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| 07:58 | <Nubae> you will install ltsp server in the boss environment
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| 07:58 | but the chroots will be debian based
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| 07:58 | <amol1> Nubae, yes..
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| 07:58 | <cyberorg> Nubae, boss is debian
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| 07:58 | <Nubae> cyberorg: entirely?
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| 07:59 | <ogra> cyberorg, the question is which release :)
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| 07:59 | i bet its based on etch ... which is quite old
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| 07:59 | <amol1> ogra, current boss 3.0 is debian lenny
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| 07:59 | <Nubae> ok, because etch needs workarounds to get ltsp installed
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| 08:00 | lenny should be fie
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| 08:00 | fine
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| 08:00 | still need to look at how boss is different from debian though, might be packages and such missing
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| 08:00 | <ogra> yeah, lenny should be good
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| 08:00 | <amol1> Nubae, after following debian wiki steps will i get boss at workstation??
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| 08:01 | <cyberorg> Nubae, i guess it is just debian with indian translations
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| 08:01 | <amol1> Nubae, it is same as debian only has gnome+Kde indian translation
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| 08:01 | <Nubae> then fine yeah
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| 08:02 | <ogra> amol1, if you have issues, vagrantc maintains the debian ltsp5 port .. he is on US westcoast timezone ... might show up in 1-2h
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| 08:02 | and is surely eager to hear about any issues with lenny to get them sorted efore release :)
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| 08:04 | <lejo> does debian still release? ;)
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| 08:05 | <amol1> ogra, fine i also want to test on boss 3.0 which is debian lenny based..
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| 08:05 | <ogra> leio, they say in sept ... if they make oct they are good :)
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| 08:15 | <cyberorg> amol1, http://bosslinux.in/boss-3.0 says ltsp is already supported
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| 08:24 | <Guest24228> t
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| 08:24 | aha
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| 08:24 | am i me?
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| 08:25 | hmm.. you see me as johnny right?
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| 08:26 | <dmaran> Nope
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| 08:26 | Guest24228: am i me?
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| 08:27 | <Guest24228> ok..
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| 08:30 | <AlienX_> does anyone know where i can find a doc outlining how ltsp handles device forwarding from the client to the server? Ie. forwarding a serial device connected from the client to run as either HID or get the app running on the server to pull data off the device?
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| 08:36 | <Guest8233> one more time..
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| 08:36 | <dmaran> Johnny: Guest8233: one more time..
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| 08:37 | <ogra> johnny, if thats an attempt to be incognito i can only tell you you miserably failed :P
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| 08:37 | * ogra sees Guest8233 :) | |
| 08:38 | <Guest8233> it's a bit harder to authenticate when using the irc transport..
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| 08:44 | <loca|host> ogra, my thin client gets an incorrect date, even with correct timezone set and correct date on the ltsp server
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| 08:46 | <Nubae> johnny, whats with the Guest88399?
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| 08:47 | <Guest88399> test
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| 08:47 | lol..
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| 08:47 | <loca|host> ogra, my thin client gets an incorrect date, even with correct timezone set and correct date on the ltsp server
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| 08:47 | <amol1> Nubae, i am getting error as chroot_ltsp file is not found
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| 08:47 | Nubae, as well my debian server is not running..
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| 08:47 | <Nubae> error when doing what
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| 08:48 | <amol1> Nubae, ltsp-build-client
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| 08:48 | Nubae, i installed ltsp-server-standalone openssh-server
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| 08:48 | Nubae, dhcp is not running ..
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| 08:50 | <amol1> Nubae, not configured to listen on any interfaces is a dhcp server error
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| 08:50 | <Nubae> amol1: do /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start
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| 08:50 | <johnny> there we go..
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| 08:50 | word
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| 08:51 | <Nubae> ok, u need to set dhcp to listen to the internal eth device
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| 08:51 | heh, hello johnny
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| 08:51 | <johnny> now it's showing my name to me.. as johnny johnny
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| 08:51 | that is funny
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| 08:51 | hehe
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| 08:51 | <amol1> Nubae, i did i got above error then i edited /etc/default/dhcp3-server file and added eth0
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| 08:51 | <johnny> ok.. good that my jabber server is back running again
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| 08:51 | this makes me happy
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| 08:52 | <Nubae> /etc/default/dhcp3-server - make sure it has the correct device there
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| 08:52 | <johnny> now i can go to bed
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| 08:52 | <Nubae> hehe
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| 08:52 | <amol1> Nubae, yes it s correct
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| 08:53 | <amol1> ogra, i am getting error as chroot-ltsp file not found
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| 08:53 | for ltsp-build-client
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| 08:54 | <ogra> thats weird, wait for vagrantc then
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| 08:54 | <amol1> ogra, ??
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| 08:55 | <ogra> he maintains the debian port of ltsp
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| 08:56 | <amol1> ogra, i faced this problem so i used 4.2..
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| 08:56 | <ogra> yes, you said that
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| 08:57 | <amol1> ogra, what is his usual time come online
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| 08:57 | <ogra> the /usr/lib/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/common/010-chroot-tagging is responsible for that in ubuntu
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| 08:58 | <ogra> vagrantc, hey :)
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| 08:58 | just talked about you
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| 08:58 | amol1, ^^^^
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| 08:58 | <amol1> vagrantc,hi
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| 08:58 | <ogra> there he is :)
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| 08:58 | * vagrantc hopes nice things were said | |
| 08:58 | <ogra> vagrantc, amol1 is using BOSS (lenny based)
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| 08:58 | <vagrantc> from india?
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| 08:59 | <ogra> seems the 010-chroot-tagging plugin doesnt create the ltsp_chroot file for him
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| 08:59 | <Nubae> hi there vagrantc
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| 08:59 | <ogra> yes, from india
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| 09:00 | <vagrantc> well, i don't have a clue what could cause that plugin to fail... it's braindead simple.
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| 09:00 | * vagrantc waves to Nubae | |
| 09:00 | <ogra> and indeed i only say nice things about you :)
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| 09:00 | $ROOT nt being set properly i guess
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| 09:00 | *not
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| 09:00 | <vagrantc> even that would still work
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| 09:00 | ah.
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| 09:00 | <amol1> vagrantc, hi i am getting error as /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp_chroot no such file or directory
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| 09:00 | <vagrantc> yes.
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| 09:00 | amol1: did it sucessfully complete the installation?
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| 09:01 | <ogra> ltsp-client-core wouldnt install without it, no ?
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| 09:01 | <vagrantc> the only thing i could think of is that the installation failed
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| 09:01 | ogra: shouldn't not.
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| 09:01 | er.
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| 09:01 | shouldn't, no.
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| 09:01 | <ogra> heh
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| 09:01 | <amol1> vagrantc, yes it installed successfully only dhcp server is not running it failed
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| 09:01 | <ogra> amol1, oh, you didnt say that it finished properly
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| 09:02 | <ogra> that would have been a valuable info :)
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| 09:02 | <vagrantc> amol1: did you get an "LTSP installation completed sucessfully" (or very similar) at the end of running ltsp-build-client ?
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| 09:03 | <vagrantc> amol1: please run lsb_release --short --id
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| 09:04 | <amol1> vagrantc, just a mi
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| 09:04 | minute
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| 09:04 | <vagrantc> !debver
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| 09:04 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: Error: "debver" is not a valid command.
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| 09:04 | <vagrantc> !ver
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| 09:04 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "ver" is to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2}/^ii/{print $3}' ; COLUMNS=200 dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2}/^ii/{print $3}'
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| 09:04 | <amol1> vagrantc, Boss
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| 09:04 | <vagrantc> hmmmm.
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| 09:04 | <amol1> vagrantc, this is output
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| 09:05 | <vagrantc> amol1: please paste the output of the above command to the pastebot
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| 09:06 | <vagrantc> amol1: i can't say for sure, but "lsb_release --short --id" spitting out BOSS seems likely to cause some problems.
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| 09:07 | <ogra> well, easy worked around though
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| 09:07 | its just bad that they claim ltsp support on their website without having adjusted that
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| 09:09 | sweet ... http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.204-8424.aspx
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| 09:09 | <vagrantc> i don't really know. i've worked with BOSS developers before with another project i worked on, and i often spent hours trying to figure out what the BOSS folks broke, even after triple-checking and being assured something was not that way it was.
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| 09:09 | <ogra> a new ubuntu preinstalled laptop every week :)
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| 09:09 | <vagrantc> so i'm not exactly excited to work on BOSS. i suspect their work would be better spent integrating into debian properly.
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| 09:10 | <ogra> well adding a vendor entry for them to default to lenny should be trivial though
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| 09:10 | <ltsppbot> "amol1 boss" pasted "dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2}/^ii/{print $3}'" (3 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/67
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| 09:10 | <ogra> but that would imply they ask us :)
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| 09:11 | <Nubae> ogra: except they claim to have a variant of ubuntu called ubunto
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| 09:11 | hehe
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| 09:11 | <ogra> Nubae, already mailed them and asked to put the logo on the website as well :)
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| 09:11 | (not me, but our marketing)
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| 09:11 | <amol1> vagrantc, dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2}/^ii/{print $3}' output i have pasted..
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| 09:11 | <vagrantc> ogra: well, it often wasn't as simple as making aliases for things like that. they made changes to debian packages without changing the versions and such... so there was no way to know what was modified by BOSS and what wasn't.
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| 09:12 | <ogra> vagrantc, well, that shouldnt matter for ltsp-build-client as long as it uses the default debian sources.list
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| 09:12 | unless they changed ltsp-server
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| 09:13 | <vagrantc> amol1: those are ancient versions.
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| 09:13 | amol1: and you seemed to have missed some of the output...
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| 09:13 | <ogra> vagrantc, erm
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| 09:13 | these are ubuntu versions
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| 09:13 | hardy specifically
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| 09:13 | <amol1> vagrantc, dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2}/^ii/{print $3}' this command or anything else?
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| 09:14 | <vagrantc> amol1: and the other one...
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| 09:14 | !ver
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| 09:14 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "ver" is to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2}/^ii/{print $3}' ; COLUMNS=200 dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2}/^ii/{print $3}'
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| 09:14 | <vagrantc> amol1: please run the entire command and paste the entire results.
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| 09:15 | ogra: lenny based. bah. :)
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| 09:15 | ogra: see what i mean?
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| 09:15 | <ogra> yeah
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| 09:15 | still
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| 09:16 | changing /etc/lsb-release should still get a working client up
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| 09:16 | <vagrantc> ogra: unless the ubuntu version of the packages contained plugins that weren't working for debian or some such
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| 09:16 | which i'm not really willing to troubleshoot. that's a monster.
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| 09:17 | <ogra> yeah
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| 09:17 | bad bad thing
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| 09:17 | he could just pull the lenny packages instead
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| 09:17 | <vagrantc> if it really is lenny.
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| 09:17 | <ogra> should suffice for the client
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| 09:18 | if it is even debian :)
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| 09:18 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 09:18 | <ogra> might be ubuntu with stipped version strings
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| 09:19 | <vagrantc> amol1: seems like you'll have to contact the BOSS developers and find out where the packages they have are really from, as they appear to be broken and it's too difficult to troubleshoot.
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| 09:19 | <Nubae> and find out what OS is really under the hood :-)
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| 09:19 | <vagrantc> amol1: we can't even figure out which distro it's based on.
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| 09:20 | <amol1> vagrantc, it is debian lenny based
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| 09:20 | <vagrantc> amol1: then why do you have packages from ubuntu installed?
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| 09:20 | <Nubae> amol1: thats what they say... but its not what the evidence shows
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| 09:21 | <amol1> vagrantc, which packages??
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| 09:21 | <Nubae> the ltsp packages
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| 09:21 | <vagrantc> amol1: the results you pasted
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| 09:21 | <ogra> amol1, the ltsp versions you showed us are the same versions as used in ubuntu hardy
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| 09:21 | lenny is far beond these version numbers
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| 09:22 | *beyond
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| 09:22 | ltsp-5.0.40~bzr20080212 is clearly an ubuntu version
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| 09:22 | <vagrantc> amol1: and you didn't actually paste the results of the command, or i'd see the package and version numbers.
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| 09:22 | <ogra> i dont think that version every existed in debian
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| 09:23 | *ever
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| 09:23 | <ltsppbot> "amol1 boss" pasted "command" (7 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/68
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| 09:23 | <amol1> vagrantc, just now i pasted..
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| 09:23 | <ogra> oh, wait the version is even 2007
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| 09:24 | <vagrantc> yeah
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| 09:24 | those are really old versions from lenny
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| 09:24 | <amol1> vagrantc, they may started work at that time..
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| 09:24 | boss developer
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| 09:24 | so pool is old
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| 09:25 | <vagrantc> amol1: looks like it's from late january or so.
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| 09:25 | <ogra> yeah
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| 09:25 | phew
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| 09:25 | <vagrantc> amol1: if they could update to current packages, that would be helpful. have fixed a lot of bugs since then.
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| 09:25 | <ogra> thats really old and might have lots and lots of unexpected breakage
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| 09:25 | <amol1> vagrantc, ok what should i do to configure ltsp on boss??
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| 09:26 | <ogra> amol1, contact the BOSS guys to update the packages
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| 09:26 | lenny is frozen, they are unlikely to change before lenny releases
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| 09:26 | <vagrantc> amol1: you could try installing packages from lenny, but i have no idea if that will work with BOSS
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| 09:26 | <amol1> ogra, i can connect current debian leenny
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| 09:26 | <ogra> amol1, right but as vagrant says
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| 09:26 | ltsp might rely on fixes in other packages
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| 09:26 | <amol1> vagrantc, what is problem??
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| 09:27 | <ogra> who knows what else is outdated like that
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| 09:27 | <amol1> vagrantc, is any changes require to make in source to work this on boss
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| 09:27 | <vagrantc> amol1: the problem is you have a completely unknown set of packages, and i have no idea if they will work. BOSS may have made changes to other packages, and i have no idea if their changes will be compatible.
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| 09:27 | <laga_> don't they keep a changelog?
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| 09:27 | <vagrantc> amol1: and, if you add lenny to your sources.list, then it may break the customized stuff that BOSS has done.
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| 09:28 | amol1: so really, you need to get this sorted out with the BOSS developers.
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| 09:28 | <ogra> laga_, if they update packages without updatin the logs, where would you look for them :)
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| 09:28 | <amol1> vagrantc, i dont have problem of crashing of some packages..
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| 09:29 | <Nubae> doesnt regular debian and ubuntu have indian localization?
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| 09:29 | <vagrantc> amol1: how about trying debian lenny, without BOSS? :)
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| 09:29 | that's known to work very well. :)
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| 09:30 | <amol1> vagrantc, no i got habituated with boss..
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| 09:30 | <vagrantc> amol1: then work through the BOSS developers and ask them why LTSP is broken.
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| 09:31 | <vagrantc> amol1: you're asking me to walk blindfolded through a maze of dangerous traps.
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| 09:31 | <amol1> vagrantc, how you got that ltsp is broken?
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| 09:31 | <vagrantc> amol1: does it work for you?
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| 09:31 | <laga_> ogra: in the trash can ;)
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| 09:32 | <ogra> hah
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| 09:32 | <amol1> vagrantc, no no boss is also debian based linux which is coming out in india
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| 09:32 | <vagrantc> amol1: yes, i know. but it is based on a version of debian that was never released. it may have lots of unfixed bugs that i do not have the time to figure out.
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| 09:33 | <amol1> vagrantc, ok not a problem .. i will try to install from debian lenny..
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| 09:33 | <Nubae> amol1: short version of all this is: either get the boss developers to upgrade to latest packages, or: tryout lenny with indian localisation
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| 09:33 | * vagrantc thanks Nubae | |
| 09:33 | <laga_> ah, so a fork done improperly
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| 09:33 | yay
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| 09:34 | <Nubae> laga_: I fear its the first of many to come
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| 09:34 | <vagrantc> it is certainly not the first
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| 09:34 | <Nubae> heh yeah
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| 09:34 | :-)
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| 09:35 | <amol1> vagrantc, Nubae ogra :thanks for help tommarow once again i will start my work by installing ltsp from debian lenny pool in boss
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| 09:35 | <ogra> Nubae, btw: http://www.ubuntu.com/
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| 09:35 | Nubae, btw: http://www.ubunto.com/
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| 09:35 | :) typo :)
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| 09:37 | <Nubae> heh... and ubuntu.org
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| 09:38 | ;-)
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| 09:38 | hey, on a big setup... is there any advantage if I change the drives to raptors?
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| 09:39 | <Nubae> raptors on raid 10
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| 09:39 | in theory should make seeking 400% better
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| 09:40 | * ogra never invested that much money to even bother to try that :) | |
| 09:40 | <ogra> raptors on raid 10
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| 09:40 | tsk
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| 09:40 | <Nubae> its just 2 disks
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| 09:41 | and I'm running a serious amount of clients now, surely there is a slowdown with the drives
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| 09:42 | <laga_> iostat can tell :)
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| 09:42 | or vmstat 1
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| 09:43 | <Nubae> wd raptor (150GB) cost 150$ per piece
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| 09:43 | thats not too bad
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| 09:43 | <laga_> ogra: i've seen yet another report of a user where tftpd didn't get enabled in inetd.conf :/
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| 09:43 | <ogra> weird
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| 09:44 | it doesnt seem t be the common thing though
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| 09:44 | thats whats dso strange about it
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| 09:44 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 09:46 | * vagrantc waves to sbalneav | |
| 09:46 | <vagrantc> hrm. i missed the boat on the configure_sound_volume stuff...
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| 09:46 | <Nubae> hi sbalneav
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| 09:47 | <ogra> well, its not appropriate for ubuntu sadly
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| 09:48 | where you need to manipulate udev rues and/or initscripts
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| 09:48 | *rules
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| 09:48 | though i need to look deeper into it
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| 09:59 | <sbalneav> ogra: Dunno if you've been following the whole "numlock" thing on the mailing lists, but if we patched hardy's ldm to call setleds from inside ldm, would that be something that would make it past an sru?
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| 10:00 | <ogra> no idea, we can always try
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| 10:00 | intrepid will have to use hal for that anyway
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| 10:00 | <Gadi> sbalneav: before we do that, can we use my init patch?
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| 10:00 | * Gadi gets bzr url... | |
| 10:01 | <Gadi> lp:~gideon/ltsp/ldm-trunk-gadi
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| 10:02 | and then put it in there
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| 10:02 | <sbalneav> Is this where we run scripts just after startup as well?
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| 10:02 | I think we talked about that at the hackfest, didn't we?
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| 10:02 | <Gadi> this is where we run scripts after X but before greeter
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| 10:02 | <sbalneav> riiiiiight.
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| 10:03 | Yeah, lets do that.
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| 10:03 | <Gadi> this patch lets you add scripts to rc.d/
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| 10:03 | in the form of: I00abcd
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| 10:03 | where "I" is for "init"
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| 10:03 | <sbalneav> I don't like the idea of embedding calls directly to binaries.
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| 10:03 | <Gadi> (this was easier code than having a whole separate dir)
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| 10:04 | <sbalneav> Perfect.
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| 10:04 | <Gadi> so, we have "S" scripts, "K" scripts, and "I" scripts
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| 10:04 | <sbalneav> Then we can put the call to setleds/numlockx/whatever in there.
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| 10:04 | <Gadi> just, please test before merging
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| 10:04 | yes, I want to move all numlock, setkbmap, etc stuff to there
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| 10:05 | it may make sense to move the ldminfo call there as well
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| 10:05 | eventually
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| 10:06 | <ogra> Gadi, you are aware that X is 100% hal in intrepid and beyond ?
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| 10:07 | you will rather need .fdi files for all that stuff
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| 10:07 | <Gadi> so I hear
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| 10:07 | <ogra> which is way way cleaner
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| 10:08 | <Gadi> for most things, yeah
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| 10:08 | it's always nice to be able to call things before the greeter starts
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| 10:08 | :)
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| 10:09 | <ogra> hal starts before anything anyway
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| 10:09 | hall needs to be up before X else you have zero input ... not even console switching
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| 10:09 | <Gadi> will you have an .fdi for ldminfo?
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| 10:09 | <sbalneav> ogra: You've got the hardy branch that the .debs were made from, right?
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| 10:10 | <ogra> just use the source package
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| 10:10 | <sbalneav> What's this .fdi stuff, anyone got a webpage where I can get up to speed?
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| 10:10 | <ogra> freedesktop.org
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| 10:10 | the hal spec
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| 10:10 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 10:11 | <Gadi> in any event, there are many uses for scripts that run post-X pre=greeter
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| 10:11 | <ogra> though hal will go away with jaunty jackalope as well in favor of devicekit
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| 10:11 | <Gadi> :)
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| 10:11 | <ogra> right
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| 10:11 | i didnt say your attempt is worng
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| 10:11 | but most of the current usecases need/should be handled by hal instead
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| 10:11 | <Gadi> jaunty jackalope?
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| 10:11 | <ogra> yes
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| 10:11 | <Gadi> oy
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| 10:12 | brb
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| 10:12 | <ogra> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Wolpertinger.jpg/531px-Wolpertinger.jpg
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| 10:12 | :)
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| 10:37 | <vagrantc> ogra: were you saying the sound volume stuff wasn't appropriate for ubuntu?
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| 10:38 | <ogra> vagrantc, well, ubuntu uses udev for setng the volumes
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| 10:39 | so it really depends when the HW shows up on the system
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| 10:39 | it can very well be that we have races
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| 10:40 | vagrantc, i need to test it, cant say yet
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| 10:41 | <vagrantc> maybe i should've tested for debian rather than just committing :)
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| 10:41 | <ogra> but generally the alsa upstream guy that works on our packages switched everything to udev and we have fixed 80% for the first boot of any system
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| 10:41 | since thin clients never see more than a first boot its always 80%
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| 10:46 | <Nubae> it feels too low for most thin clients I've looked at
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| 10:46 | one has to press his ear against the speakers to hear anything
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| 10:46 | granted, not external speakers, but still
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| 10:47 | <ogra> well, we can try the patch
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| 10:47 | but you likely will end up with totally mixed results, for some it will work for others it wont
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| 10:47 | depending on the speed of the HW
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| 10:47 | and when udev kicks in
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| 10:48 | * ogra wonders if Gadi developed that on ubuntu | |
| 10:48 | <Nubae> well, I could test it if u want
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| 10:48 | <ogra> on how many different clients ?
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| 10:48 | <Nubae> maybe 10 different ones
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| 10:49 | including thincans
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| 10:49 | <ogra> the important ones are really the low enders
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| 10:49 | <Nubae> yeah most of mine are low enders with ac97
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| 10:49 | <ogra> because there udev might kick in after the amixer runs
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| 10:49 | <Nubae> have to check exactly of course
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| 10:50 | thing with low enders is they normally need external speakers anyway
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| 10:50 | the problem really is with newer built in speaker systems
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| 10:50 | <ogra> the best would likely be to have a separate ltsp-sound initscript that even runs after ldm
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| 10:50 | that would be a safe way
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| 10:59 | <cyberorg> hi what does this mean? : Program returns random data in a function E: ldm2 no-return-in-nonvoid-function greeter.c: 130
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| 10:59 | <ogra> a bug i'D guess
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| 10:59 | <cyberorg> it is from our rpmlint
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| 11:00 | <ogra> there is a function thats not decalred as void which doesnt have a return at the end
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| 11:00 | <cyberorg> sbalneav, does ldm?
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| 11:01 | nope, your name there ogra :)
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| 11:02 | <ogra> i created it ... but i didnt touch the code for a long time now
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| 11:02 | <cyberorg> there is update_timeout(GtkWidget * label) function there
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| 11:03 | <ogra> well, look in LP who added the code causing the warning
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| 11:04 | <cyberorg> ogra, package builds successfully, but this is some quality control stuff in build service that warns
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| 11:05 | <ogra> yes
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| 11:05 | its not properly coded
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| 11:05 | it should have a return or be declared void
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| 11:06 | <vagrantc> well, enabling the configure_sound_volume function on debian doesn't seem to terribly break anything
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| 11:06 | i'll enable it in my experimental upload
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| 11:06 | <cyberorg> ryan
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| 11:08 | ogra, ubuntu has something similar that checks code when building what is it called?
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| 11:09 | <ogra> gcc :)
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| 11:11 | <cyberorg> ogra, something that give summary of errors at the end of build
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| 11:12 | <ogra> well, we write full build logs and gcc does error checking for C code
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| 11:14 | <cyberorg> ogra, lintian?
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| 11:15 | yeah that was it
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| 11:15 | <ogra> no
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| 11:15 | has nothing to do with C
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| 11:15 | or any code
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| 11:15 | its a policy checker for packaging
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| 11:15 | there is also linda btw
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| 11:16 | doing the same
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| 11:16 | <cyberorg> ok, rpmlint is just policy checker and checks critical errors from gcc build.log
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| 11:17 | it is getting very annoying lately, it complains about smallest thing :)
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| 11:17 | <ogra> tat makes sure the quality of your packages is good :)
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| 11:17 | * ogra likes lintian | |
| 11:23 | <wwx> Bundesanstalt peaks praegu olema
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| 11:23 | oops.. wrong windows
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| 11:44 | <ogra> cyberorg, a "return TRUE;" between line 129 and 130 should quieten t
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| 11:44 | *it
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| 11:44 | <cyberorg> ok, thanks :)
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| 12:01 | <Skarmeth> hi all
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| 12:02 | guys I am trying to enable a second screen on a LTSP 5 thin client (F9). I set up a xorg.conf file for the thin client, referenced it in lts.conf X_CONF param, but it don't start the second screen
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| 12:02 | with LTSP 4.2 it works fine...
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| 12:02 | there is no error on X.Org log file
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| 12:03 | <dmaran> UGH - Anyone else use a HP DeskJet D4160 on a client, I can't get mine to work. All I get from CUPS is that the Network host is busy;
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| 12:06 | <Nubae> Skarmeth: someone was here yesterday who managed to get 2 screens working
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| 12:06 | let me paste the instructions for ya
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| 12:06 | <Skarmeth> Nubae, please
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| 12:08 | <ltsppbot> "Nubae" pasted "2 screens on thin client" (1 line) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/69
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| 12:08 | <Nubae> not exactly nicely formated, but you'll get the gist
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| 12:19 | <jammcq> hello friends
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| 12:21 | <cyberorg> hi jammcq :)
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| 12:23 | <Skarmeth> hi jammcq
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| 12:24 | Nubae, the problem is that I am using the same approch to get a nvidia (TNT2) and a via (onboard) working together and it won't work
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| 12:24 | all that x.org config bits are fine
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| 12:25 | for some reason, the ldm don't show up on two screen's (and when user log in, the gnome don't expand to the second screen, in fact the second screen don't get activated in any moment)
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| 12:26 | I was investigating the x.org logs files I a can't see the second video card driver loading and configuring the output
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| 12:28 | * vagrantc uploaded ltsp 5.1.24-1 to debian/experimental | |
| 12:30 | <Skarmeth> anyone had sucess enabling a dual head thin client using fedora or debian ?
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| 12:30 | (for LTSP 5)
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| 12:44 | <Nubae> can someone tell me a good non tux4kids sdl app to test on ltsp?
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| 12:47 | jammcq: any ideas? I filed a bug report for tux4kids suite which tends to bring the network down seriously... but they want me to test to see if the same happens with other SDL apps
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| 12:48 | <jammcq> Nubae: sorry, that's way outside my area of expertise
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| 12:48 | <Gadi> Skarmeth: you will most likely need a special xorg.conf file and specify it with X_CONF
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| 12:48 | jammcq: I thought you were a kid at heart
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| 12:49 | or was it that you eat kid hearts?
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| 12:49 | I never remember
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| 12:50 | <Nubae> :-)
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| 12:50 | Gadi: know of any non tux4kids SDL apps?
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| 12:51 | <Gadi> hmm... is tuxracer sdl or tux4kids?
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| 12:51 | <Nubae> it is sdl
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| 12:51 | but think it might be tux4kids too
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| 12:51 | I'll go check through the addons cd
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| 12:51 | there must be something else there
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| 12:52 | <Gadi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_using_SDL
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| 12:52 | totally go with UT or a Nintendo emulator
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| 12:53 | might as well have fun while you test
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| 12:55 | <Nubae> hehe, I have to set it up on many computers though ;-)
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| 12:56 | the aim is to see when the network comes down
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| 12:56 | <Skarmeth> Gadi, I did it, but it don't work!
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| 12:59 | <Gadi> Skarmeth: can you pastebot your xorg.conf?
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| 13:00 | <Gadi> Nubae: that's why they invented LAN-gaming ;)
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| 13:02 | <Nubae> hmmm that's an idea
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| 13:03 | could run a lan gaming session using quake or some such
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| 13:07 | <Nubae> does mille x-term still exist?
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| 13:20 | <Nubae> funny how Asmo and my setup are so similar... and we happen to be the 2 guys not complaining about ubuntu problems
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| 13:49 | <johnb> Hello - I'm having a problem changing IP / DHCP Settings to alternate subnet. This is a new install of Ubuntu 8.04.1
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| 13:50 | It was working "out of the box" but we use the same subnet as the thin client side of the server
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| 13:52 | I changed the /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf and the IP and Mask on eth1 ran ltsp-update-sshkeys and bounced the server
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| 13:53 | client just sits and waits on DHCP
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| 13:54 | <sbalneav> Have you checked /var/log/daemon.log to see if dhcpd was happy?
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| 13:54 | an invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server restart should give you a fresh set of dhcp messages right at the bottom
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| 13:55 | also, when you ran the -update-sshkeys, did you also ltsp-update-image?
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| 13:55 | <johnb> no I did not update image
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| 13:56 | thanks will try
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| 13:56 | <sbalneav> You'll need to do that as well, but if the dhcp's not answering, that's not your primary problem.
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| 13:56 | So, first I'd check your daemon.log, see if dhcpd3's happy
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| 13:58 | <johnb> restart failed
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| 13:58 | I will recheck dhcpd.conf
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| 13:59 | <sbalneav> You can always paste it to the pastebot if you need help
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| 13:59 | !pastebot
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| 13:59 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 14:02 | <johnb> ok will paste, I suspect that I have not declared my IP & Mask settings correctly - I'm very rusty...
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| 14:04 | <ltsppbot> "Skarmeth" pasted "xorg.conf for dualhead thin client set up" (65 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/70
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| 14:04 | "johnb" pasted "DHCP settings" (23 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/71
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| 14:04 | <Skarmeth> Gadi, that's it
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| 14:04 | but it don't work...
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| 14:06 | <johnb> I have to step a way - I will re-check my changes, thanks
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| 14:14 | <Gadi> Skarmeth: what about the log file?
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| 14:17 | <ltsppbot> "Skarmeth" pasted "X.Org log for dualhead thin client set up" (965 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/72
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| 14:17 | <Skarmeth> Gadi, here is it
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| 14:28 | <warren> vagrantc: hmm, we need to go ahead with spltting out ldm-server soon
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| 14:29 | vagrantc: did you want to do it?
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| 14:30 | <Skarmeth> warren, had you alerdy get a thin client with two head's working? I am trying to get it working in F9, but without success until now
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| 14:31 | one card is via (using openchrome) and other is nvidia (using nv, nouveau)...
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| 14:31 | <warren> Skarmeth: _Usurper_ and etyack have
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| 14:31 | Skarmeth: ask for their recipe
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| 14:31 | I have no hardware with two outputs
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| 14:35 | <vagrantc> warren: what do you mean by splitting out?
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| 14:35 | <warren> vagrantc: you wanted to move ldminfod out of ltsp-server so it could be independenetly used?
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| 14:35 | I think we need that soon.
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| 14:36 | <vagrantc> warren: i'd love to. i think the most appropriate place would be in the ldm source... i don't think we have enough to warrent a separate source tree.
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| 14:36 | <warren> vagrantc: agreed, let's do this, like now.
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| 14:36 | <vagrantc> heh.
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| 14:36 | <warren> I'm going to make my ltsp-server Requires ldm-server
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| 14:36 | <Gadi> Skarmeth: your conf and logs look healthy
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| 14:36 | you say you get dual display but not stretched
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| 14:37 | or no display on one card?
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| 14:37 | <Skarmeth> no display on one card
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| 14:37 | <Gadi> sometimes you need to go into the BIOS to tell it to enable that card
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| 14:38 | <Skarmeth> I can see that openchrome get's crazy and don't detect only 640x480 mode
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| 14:38 | the X.Org detect the two card... I can use it by a live cd
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| 14:38 | <vagrantc> warren: was there anything else we were planning on including in it?
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| 14:38 | <Gadi> Skarmeth: what is the liveCD's xorg.conf?
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| 14:39 | or is it conf-less?
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| 14:39 | <Skarmeth> the same I send you
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| 14:39 | s/send/sent
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| 14:39 | <Gadi> but with openchrome or via?
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| 14:39 | <Skarmeth> openchrome, nv or nouveau
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| 14:40 | <Gadi> wierd
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| 14:41 | (**) CHROME(1): *Default mode "640x480": 25.2 MHz (scaled from 0.0 MHz), 31.5 kHz, 59.9 Hz (II) CHROME(1): Modeline "640x480"x59.9 25.18 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync (31.5 kHz)
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| 14:41 | ur right
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| 14:42 | <warren_> damn it
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| 14:42 | vagrantc: sorry I missed anything you said?
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| 14:42 | <Skarmeth> but if I disable nv or nouveau it get's my 1280x1024 screen up
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| 14:42 | <vagrantc> warren_: just wondering if there was anything other than ldminfod ...
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| 14:42 | <Skarmeth> that openchrome are a individualist guy
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| 14:43 | s/a/an
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| 14:43 | <vagrantc> warren_: but to me, ldminfod and a bunch of dependencies would be useful.
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| 14:43 | <Gadi> (II) CHROME(1): Required bandwidth is not available. (393345360 > 74000000) (II) CHROME(1): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (mode clock too high)
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| 14:43 | try reducing your color depth
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| 14:44 | <Skarmeth> if I disable the other card (PCI, via is AGP), it work
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| 14:44 | <Gadi> right
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| 14:44 | I think it is calculating things with both cards
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| 14:44 | and freaking out
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| 14:44 | <Skarmeth> trying
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| 14:45 | <vagrantc> hard to believe that ldminfod only goes back 2 years ago
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| 14:46 | <warren> grr
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| 14:46 | I did it again
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| 14:46 | vagrantc: sorry, I missed
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| 14:48 | <vagrantc> warren: just wondering if there was anything else you had proposed to add to ldm-server
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| 14:48 | warren: all i can think of is ldminfod and the server-side dependencies
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| 14:48 | <warren> that's all you need right?
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| 14:48 | <vagrantc> i think so...
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| 14:48 | <warren> You wanted to do it?
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| 14:48 | oh yeah, I might be a little... uh.... gone from Monday for a while
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| 14:48 | major surgery
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| 14:49 | recovery will really suck
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| 14:50 | <laga_> i hope it'll go well :)
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| 14:50 | i guess *i* could yell at the suse-ltsp guys in the meantime, but it just won't be the same without you. :)
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| 14:55 | <warren> hey, I don't exclusively yell
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| 14:55 | I review their patches and point out that none of them are suitable for upstream
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| 15:25 | <ogra> warren, uuh, your back ?
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| 15:25 | good luck with that
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| 15:31 | sbalneav, teh greeter code is missing a "return TRUE;" between line 129 and 130
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| 15:31 | trivial
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| 15:51 | <Lns> ogra: asac over in #ubuntu-mozillateam wanted me to touch bases with you re: Firefox 3.0.1 issue (LP # 269188)...any thoughts?
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| 16:04 | <Lns> NBD_SWAP = unset by default...that means there's no swap by default?
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| 16:04 | Wouldn't it be a good idea to have swap by default on TCs?
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| 16:06 | <Guest92700> except it could overload your server too much maybe..?
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| 16:08 | <Lns> johnny: I would think the LTSP server could handle it, given everyone knows that your LTSP server should be beefy
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| 16:08 | <Lns> how much load would it really impose, anyway?
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| 16:43 | <johnny> Lns, ask somebody who uses it
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| 16:54 | <Lns> This is the dumbest question ever but I have to make sure - Firefox launching scenario - to firefox, it's being run locally on LTSP server and no network filesystem activity, right?
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| 18:37 | <Egyptian[Home]> ogra: u awake?
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| 18:40 | <Egyptian[Home]> good nite
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| 18:43 | <gbolte> g night
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| 18:43 | <gbolte> :/
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| 22:43 | <Lns> Sup all
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| 22:46 | Just curious as to people's insightful comments regarding Debian vs Ubuntu LTSP - what are the pros and cons of running with each distro? How is Debian on GUI look/feel, overall user experience these days? I used to run Debian exclusively until Ubuntu came out, but have only used Ubuntu in LTSP networks (so far).
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| 22:50 | <cyberorg> Lns, except for ubuntu using nbdroot and debian nfsroot by default there isn't any difference
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| 22:52 | <Lns> So 0 differece in gnome, versions of s/w, etc?
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| 22:52 | i guess that's not really an LTSP specific thing..
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| 22:53 | but I just remember debian having cluttered menus, didn't know if that's changed or not.
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| 22:53 | <cyberorg> that part i wouldn't know as i don't use either :)
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| 22:54 | my experience with ubuntu is just installing edubuntu in VM to learn how ltsp works
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| 23:12 | <Lns> thx cyberorg =) right on
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