IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 11 August 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 05:15 | <Jenna> !hi
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| 08:01 | <_UsUrPeR_> hey all
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| 08:02 | <bieb> hey there _UsUrPeR_
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| 08:02 | <_UsUrPeR_> I'm trying to get the Karmic alpha, but the Ubuntu downloads on the ubuntu.com are 404'ing
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| 08:02 | anyone have an alternative?
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| 08:02 | morning bieb
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| 08:03 | <ogra> _UsUrPeR_, exact url ?
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| 08:03 | <_UsUrPeR_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/alpha-1/
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| 08:03 | the URLs can be viewed from here: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha1
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| 08:03 | <ogra> alpha 1 is a few months old, ise alpha-3
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| 08:03 | *use
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| 08:04 | <_UsUrPeR_> ogra: oh. :)
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| 08:04 | there we go
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| 08:33 | <jkenney_> i was on here yesterday and asked if there was a way to adjust the ldm login screen to shift everything left or two one monitor
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| 08:34 | we have a dual display setup
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| 08:34 | and the login box sits in the middle
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| 08:34 | of the two and is hard for you to see it
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| 08:37 | is there a way to adjust it without having to recomplie it i was told yesterday i would have to download the source code
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| 08:45 | <maginot> good morning ... how to I make the clients stop the beep signal (0x07) ?
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| 08:45 | I notice that changing on alsa mixer in the server doesnt alters the clients
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| 08:50 | <Gadi> maginot: try blacklisting the pcspkr module
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| 08:50 | <maginot> thanks Gadi
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| 08:54 | <bieb> Gadi: Hows it going?
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| 08:55 | <Gadi> ok - trying to figure out why ADAM won't talk to my smb/ldap controller correctly
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| 08:55 | frustrating
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| 08:55 | <bieb> as frustrating as print.. :D
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| 08:57 | I talked to tech support, then had to send an email for the software engineers yesterday
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| 08:57 | <bieb> got a new error this morning.. "Too many failed attempts"
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| 09:01 | Gadi: but on a good note.. the rsync.sh worked
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| 09:01 | <Gadi> ah - good to hear
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| 09:02 | I am surprised they couldn't help you with print
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| 09:04 | <bieb> the tech support guy I spoke to yesterday said the way I have it should work, so when it didn't he told me he would forward my email to the software engineers, they should know why the error is happening. I was the first person he had hear of with the "Can't prompt for authorization" error
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| 09:05 | <cliebow> Gadi ROCKS!!!
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| 10:04 | <jkenney_> Gadi Thanks for all the help I know have LTSP thin client solution working for the exception of moving the logon screen to the Left side of the screen. Can't I specify for LDM to use only one screen for login then when it switches to X use Both?
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| 10:04 | sorry
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| 10:44 | <Touched> hello all, i seem to be having an issue where the gdm chooser won't resolve host names
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| 11:20 | <bieb> Gadi: you still around?
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| 11:24 | or anyone else that can help me tweak a script that gadi helped me cobble together yesterday. I need to be able to exclude certain users from the script..
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| 12:06 | <CAN-o-SPAM> hi #ltsp
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| 12:17 | * vagrantc waves from madrid | |
| 12:17 | <ogra> airport ?
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| 12:17 | <vagrantc> a hostel
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| 12:17 | <ogra> ah
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| 12:17 | <vagrantc> catching a flight home tomorrow morning
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| 12:19 | ogra: spent a few hours at the torre triana in sevilla today ... you had spent some days there, no?
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| 12:19 | <ogra> yeah
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| 12:20 | * vagrantc is quite the tourist ... the only place vagrantc visited in sevilla were government offices | |
| 12:20 | <ogra> haha
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| 12:20 | <panthera> why am i not surpise by that.. :)
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| 12:20 | <NeonLicht> Hey, vagrantc, have you had any trouble on your way from Sevilla to Madrid? The AVE railway was cut yesterday for the rain!
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| 12:21 | <maginot> is there someway to update my ltsp clients without screewing up my configuration ? (I supposed that ltsp-build-client receive updates)
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| 12:21 | <vagrantc> NeonLicht: i think mine was the first train to ride over the tracks where they had got washed out
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| 12:21 | NeonLicht: it looked a little questionable, at best
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| 12:22 | <NeonLicht> I see, vagrantc, so you haven't had any delay or anything?
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| 12:23 | <Lns> maginot, copy your chroot if you're paranoid about updates affecting your customizations
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| 12:24 | <vagrantc> NeonLicht: it was a couple hours late, but it got me here :)
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| 12:25 | <NeonLicht> :-)
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| 12:25 | <maginot> Lns, in fact I have a lot of things installed and tunned for the clients to work, and aren't just 10 or 20 clients so remake the client and all configuration dont worty but if I cant just update the client and some things get changed is less time consuming to fix
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| 12:26 | <Lns> maginot, that was a very confusing run-on statement
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| 12:27 | <maginot> Lns, well ... nevermind, wasn't so big deal anyway
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| 12:27 | <Lns> maginot, you know how to make sure your chroot is up to date, right?
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| 12:27 | <maginot> Lns, no ......
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| 12:27 | O.o
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| 12:27 | <Lns> maginot, what's your distribution/release?
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| 12:28 | <maginot> ubuntu 8.10
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| 12:28 | <Lns> hold on
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| 12:28 | maginot, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/UpdatingChroot
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| 12:28 | that should get ya going
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| 12:29 | <maginot> okay, I will take a look... thks
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| 12:29 | <Lns> just replace the instances of 'hardy' with 'intrepid'
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| 13:06 | <Ahmuck_> i'm baaaack:)
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| 13:10 | <bieb> anyone that can help me tweak a script that gadi helped me cobble together yesterday. I need to be able to exclude certain users from the script..
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| 13:15 | <Ahmuck_> a switch is normally faster than a router? no?
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| 13:15 | <ltsppbot> "bieb" pasted "script to tweak..." (12 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/469
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| 13:15 | <vagrantc> Ahmuck_: sure.
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| 13:15 | <Ahmuck_> hrm, i must have a bad switch. the inet router, if i plug directly into it, works great
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| 13:16 | <vagrantc> might be
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| 13:16 | or just a good router :)
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| 13:16 | <Ahmuck_> but if i plug into the switch, the thin clients don't do inet well
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| 13:16 | router is linksys wrt54gl with tomato, and the switch is linksys/cisco slm2008
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| 13:16 | it's a gigabyte switch
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| 13:17 | gigabyte cables
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| 13:23 | <Ahmuck_> think i found my problem. mtu on my nvidia should be 1500 hard set
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| 13:27 | <ltsppbot> "Gadi" pasted "For bieb" (12 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/470
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| 13:28 | <bieb> Gadi: thanks...
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| 13:29 | <Ahmuck__> hrm
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| 13:29 | <bieb> Gadi: what is PGROUP?
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| 13:30 | <Gadi> a variable I made up
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| 13:31 | <bieb> ummm
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| 13:31 | ok
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| 13:39 | <Ahmuck__> k, i've got a problem with my ethernet, nothing related to ltsp, but somebody pointed me in the right direction the other day. my ethernet shows eth144
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| 13:47 | <coordinador> CAN-o-SPAM, are you available?
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| 13:47 | i have good news
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| 13:47 | <Lns> Gadi: you need to stop tricking people with your made up variables... lol
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| 13:47 | LTSP_DONT_HANDLE_WAFFLES = False
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| 13:48 | <vagrantc> especially negation booleans
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| 13:48 | <_UsUrPeR_> Lns: I could have SWORN the 1520 handled waffles
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| 13:48 | <Lns> it does...that's why you have the var - for all other clients ;)
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| 13:49 | <vagrantc> wouldn't that be LTSP_DONT_HANDLE_WAFFLES = True ?
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| 13:50 | <Lns> err..yeah. sorry about the misinformation
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| 13:51 | * vagrantc wonders when WAFFLE support will be ported to arm | |
| 13:53 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Lns, Vagrantc: LTSP By The Sea?
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| 13:54 | <vagrantc> CAN-o-SPAM: which sea? :)
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| 13:54 | <Lns> atlantic this year right? =)
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| 13:54 | <vagrantc> i think BTS has always been atlantic, no?
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| 13:54 | <Lns> I should book my flight/room now that i have a bit of extra cash
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| 13:54 | <CAN-o-SPAM> correctomundo
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| 13:54 | wiki.ltsp.org
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| 13:54 | <epsas_> is there a conference?
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| 13:55 | for ltsp?
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| 13:55 | <CAN-o-SPAM> epsas_: it's a small developers conference, yes. October 22nd - 25th in Maine
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| 13:55 | <Lns> epsas_: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ByTheSea2009 :)
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| 13:55 | aww, developers only? :(
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| 13:55 | <epsas_> when i get some breathing room, i'd like to start developing
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| 13:56 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Lns: testers, hackers, and clowns alike
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| 13:56 | * Lns wants to go but doesn't want to have to put on a cheerleader's uniform | |
| 13:56 | * CAN-o-SPAM certainly is not a software based Developer | |
| 13:56 | * CAN-o-SPAM wears a male cheerleader's outfit proudly for LTSP | |
| 13:56 | <Ahmuck_> i'm a clown. i'll be there :)
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| 13:57 | * Lns would like to think of himself as a developer of visionary ideas ;) | |
| 13:57 | <epsas_> i would have to cover the expenses myself... as I work for a non-profit
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| 13:57 | but I think I would like to go
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| 13:57 | most of you all probably work for non-profits as well
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| 13:57 | <Lns> If anyone wants to share expenses on a car/room from the airport to the motel, i'm game
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| 13:57 | <vagrantc> CAN-o-SPAM: alas, i think it'll be too soon to take time off work so soon after my current travels
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| 13:57 | <CAN-o-SPAM> If you are interested, sign up on the Wiki. The schedule or plan is not in concrete yet
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| 13:57 | * CAN-o-SPAM sighs at vagrantc | |
| 13:59 | * Ahmuck_ converting the lab to not for profit soon | |
| 13:59 | <Lns> CAN-o-SPAM: schedule not concrete? the days will be the same though right, for those who want to book flights/rooms..?
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| 13:59 | * Ahmuck_ found my nic problem | |
| 13:59 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Lns: should not have said schedule
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| 14:00 | <Lns> ah
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| 14:00 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Lns: the dates are set
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| 14:00 | <Lns> coolio
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| 14:00 | CAN-o-SPAM: i see you're looking for a rideshare!
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| 14:01 | <CAN-o-SPAM> vagrantc: i just added you to the BTS attendees list ... so your all set! Ok? :)
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| 14:01 | <Lns> hahaha
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| 14:01 | <vagrantc> CAN-o-SPAM: heh. you'll have to send a clone to freegeek
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| 14:01 | <Lns> vagrantc: i'm sure you could create a small shell script to replace you for a day, no?
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| 14:01 | * CAN-o-SPAM was sadly informed that FreeGeek in Detroit has fallen apart | |
| 14:02 | <epsas_> vagrantc - there will be TREES to climb over there
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| 14:02 | <vagrantc> epsas_: i can't fathom them being larger than the trees i've climbed in the northwest
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| 14:02 | <epsas_> probably not
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| 14:03 | <vagrantc> CAN-o-SPAM: yeah, getting them started is often rocky once people realize how much work it really is
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| 14:20 | <Ahmuck_> CAN-o-SPAM: what was FreeGeek?
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| 14:20 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Ahmuck_ : PC Donations & Recycling
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| 14:21 | <Ahmuck_> ah. well i can understand this
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| 14:21 | i do refurbs for the community, donations, etc. and unless people are bringing them to me i don't pick them up anymore
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| 14:21 | <epsas_> aka: Hard Work
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| 14:21 | <Ahmuck_> it doesn't pay
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| 14:21 | <CAN-o-SPAM> right
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| 14:27 | <Lns> hmmm, my gdmvncinetdssh doesn't work anymore...
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| 14:30 | <epsas_> MODEM Friendly
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| 14:30 | hehe... from seawallmotel.com
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| 14:30 | <Lns> wonder if there are any local BBSes.. ;)
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| 14:34 | <ltsppbot> "bieb" pasted "gadi" (10 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/471
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| 14:35 | <Gadi> you have a syntax error
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| 14:35 | a space between the $ and (
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| 14:35 | <bieb> on first line?
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| 14:35 | <Gadi> line 3
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| 14:35 | the PGROUP line
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| 14:36 | <bieb> stoopid syntaxes.. they should know what I want.. :D
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| 14:40 | <Lns> anyone using my handy gdm/vnc/inetd/ssh howto to connect to remote servers?
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| 14:42 | <johnny> no...
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| 14:42 | i only use ssh :)
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| 14:42 | <Lns> minimalist :)
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| 14:42 | <johnny> well.. that's the only way i know how to do things
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| 14:42 | sorry
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| 14:43 | none of my servers run a gui
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| 14:43 | <Lns> =p
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| 14:43 | <johnny> only one of them is an ltsp server tho
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| 14:43 | the rest are web :)
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| 14:43 | or email
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| 14:43 | no need for gui for that stuff
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| 14:43 | <Lns> this is too weird..half of my servers give me the wretched gray fuzz screen w/X cursor, the others are giving me gdm...some of them are using the same updated packages...
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| 14:43 | <johnny> and if i did need a gui..it'd be web based
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| 14:44 | <Lns> I need a gui because that's what the students use :) wish i could take over the classes and teach the shell though
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| 14:45 | <rjune> Lns, GUi is a requirement for most modern computers
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| 14:45 | <johnny> it's not a requirement for computers.. it's a requirement for people
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| 14:46 | <rjune> yes, because computers do things for themselves.
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| 14:46 | <johnny> my computer is modern :)
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| 14:46 | <rjune> They do things at the request of people, for people.
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| 14:46 | <johnny> it doesn't have a gui :)
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| 14:46 | <rjune> Your desktop doesn't have a GUI?
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| 14:46 | <johnny> my desktop does..
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| 14:46 | but not my server
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| 14:46 | <Lns> i have a gui on my desktop, i spilled a beer on it last week =p
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| 14:46 | <atomic007za> if windows ran in DOS/Shell it would not crash ;-P
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| 14:46 | <johnny> sure it would..
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| 14:47 | it used to.. and take the whole thing down :)
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| 14:47 | not just one program
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| 14:47 | there was no "golden age" of dos
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| 14:47 | dos has always sucked
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| 14:47 | <rjune> LOL
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| 14:47 | <Lns> DR-DOS was awesome
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| 14:47 | <johnny> if you say so
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| 14:47 | <atomic007za> Dirty Operting System lol
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| 14:47 | <Lns> what was that multitasker...qdesk?
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| 14:48 | <johnny> atomic007za, close.. the original was QDOS
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| 14:48 | quick and dirty operating system
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| 14:48 | <atomic007za> lol
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| 14:48 | <johnny> then it became disk operating system
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| 14:48 | see.. they based it off of cpm instead of unix
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| 14:48 | and that's where things went awry
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| 14:48 | <Lns> C:\> DOS... C:\> DOS RUN... RUN DOS RUN
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| 14:49 | <johnny> we'd be living in a completely different paradigm in operating systems now
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| 14:49 | <atomic007za> well maybe if they did bill gates would "own" a large part of linux
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| 14:49 | <johnny> if only they would have used unix
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| 14:49 | <atomic007za> and we would have to buy it
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| 14:49 | <Lns> i wish i was a little bit taller, i wish i was a baller..i wish i had a rabbit in a hat with a bat, and a 6-4 impala
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| 14:49 | <johnny> well.. bell owned a large part of unix..
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| 14:49 | and yet we still have unix
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| 14:50 | atomic007za, we'd all be using bsd instead of linux probably
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| 14:50 | <atomic007za> hmmm
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| 14:50 | true
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| 14:50 | <johnny> and bell was a worse monopolizer than ms ever has been
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| 14:50 | if you put things in perspective
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| 14:50 | <atomic007za> I was not around then....
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| 14:50 | <johnny> neither was i
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| 14:51 | <atomic007za> I rocked up with win 95 c version
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| 14:51 | <johnny> or at least too young to understand any such things
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| 14:51 | i started computers with win95
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| 14:51 | i got my first in 97
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| 14:51 | <Lns> johnny: how old are you?
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| 14:52 | <johnny> 29
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| 14:52 | <Lns> i thought i was the youngin' here at 29
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| 14:52 | heh
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| 14:52 | <johnny> i didn't get my first until i was like 17
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| 14:52 | <Lns> I <3 my old C=64
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| 14:52 | <atomic007za> psst, dont want to get onto the age thing...some ppl were aroung then, we will make them feel older
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| 14:53 | jonny: 32 in 5 days
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| 14:53 | <Lns> atomic007za: happy b-day in 5 days!
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| 14:53 | <atomic007za> I was born the day and year Elvis died
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| 14:53 | thank you lns
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| 14:54 | <Lns> wow
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| 14:55 | that must be why youtube is doing an elvis thing on their music tuesday thing
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| 14:55 | <atomic007za> my daughter will oneday come to an IRC room and say I got my 1st 1.7 gig cel when I was 5....and ppl will probably wonder what a celeron was
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| 14:55 | <Lns> celery
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| 14:56 | <atomic007za> lady Di was born on the 15 August
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| 14:56 | FYI
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| 14:56 | <johnny> my laptop is a 1.5ghz pentium m..
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| 14:56 | <alkisg> kids, it's time to go to bed :D
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| 14:56 | <johnny> hardly better than your daughter computer :)
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| 14:56 | <atomic007za> lol
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| 14:57 | <johnny> it's still runnin
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| 14:57 | it's about years old now
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| 14:57 | <atomic007za> I am sure all the keys work on yours thow
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| 14:57 | <johnny> i had to replace the keyboard a month ago
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| 14:57 | cuz i spilled stuff on it
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| 14:57 | <atomic007za> I stuck a usb mouse and k/board in the she can play Gcompris
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| 14:57 | <johnny> while trying to navigate through a door that was locked.. but shouldn't have been
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| 14:58 | first night in the new apartment
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| 14:58 | <atomic007za> beer?
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| 14:58 | <johnny> turns out the door had no jamb.. so if you closed it against the wall.. it would lock
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| 14:58 | so i had a drink, and my laptop. trying to open the door
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| 14:58 | and oops..
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| 14:58 | <atomic007za> ouch
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| 14:58 | <johnny> luckily the stupid tax was cheap on that one
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| 14:58 | $14 on ebay
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| 14:58 | with shipping
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| 14:59 | got a used keyboard.. and all is well now
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| 14:59 | <atomic007za> the keyboard for mine would be about 150 USD
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| 14:59 | <johnny> well.. new.. i'm not sure how much.. but definitely more than that
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| 14:59 | i'm sure this one was ripped out of a machine with a bad display or somethin
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| 14:59 | or dead cpu
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| 15:00 | <atomic007za> You were lucky
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| 15:00 | <johnny> yep
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| 15:00 | this laptop still runs fedora nicely
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| 15:01 | <johnny> altho i have to use the nvidia drivers :(
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| 15:01 | so i can use the tvout..
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| 15:01 | nouveau doesn't have tv out yet
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| 15:01 | <atomic007za> ic
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| 15:01 | <johnny> but the nvidia drivers are at least reliable and easy to install.. so that's ok until the nouveau stuff is worked out
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| 15:03 | <Lns> how the heck am i supposed to troubleshoot vnc not working when other servers are configured exactly the same?!
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| 15:05 | <alkisg> Lns, maybe you have italc installed on that one?
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| 15:06 | <Lns> nope
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| 15:06 | don't have italc on any of them
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| 15:06 | <alkisg> Btw, did you try freenx? I tried it last week and I forgot all about vnc :)
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| 15:06 | <Lns> alkisg: i'm waiting to hear what the word is on neatX to make the switch :)
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| 15:07 | <alkisg> I don't think it's actively developed
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| 15:07 | <Lns> and actually just dropped a q in #nx asking if NX does screen sharing
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| 15:07 | <alkisg> So if you like neatx as it is, fine, but if not I don't think it's gonna be better any time soon
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| 15:07 | <Lns> weird since they just announced it
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| 15:08 | <alkisg> Yeah, and they said that it was an internal project and only 1 developer is working on it on his free time, not paid for that
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| 15:08 | <Ahmuck_> k, got my nic's to stay in one place, eth0 and eth1, however now none of my thin clients will boot
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| 15:09 | <atomic007za> Ahmuck: did you start dhcp server?
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| 15:09 | <Lns> Ahmuck: make sure /etc/default/dhcp3-server is set to the right interface
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| 15:09 | if the two got swapped at any point
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| 15:10 | <alkisg> ogra will cut the hand of anyone touching /etc/default/dhcp3-server, it's supposed to be left as it is for autodetection
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| 15:11 | <atomic007za> it will have to be change if not using that IP range
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| 15:11 | <Ahmuck_> let me post pastebin's of what's going on
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| 15:11 | <Lns> alkisg: ?? what autodetects it?
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| 15:12 | <alkisg> Lns, dhcp3-server autodetects which nic to use by looking at the ranges in dhcpd.conf, and looking at the ethX IPs
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| 15:12 | <Lns> alkisg: well it surely didn't autodetect my bond0 interface when i bonded eth0 and eth1 together...
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| 15:12 | <Ahmuck_> http://pastebin.be/20289
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| 15:13 | <alkisg> Lns: ok, and that also won't work if eth0 and eth1 use the same subnet - ogra's advice is for the default installation (2 nics, no bonding etc)
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| 15:13 | <Ahmuck_> http://pastebin.be/20290
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| 15:13 | <Lns> alkisg: eth0 and eth1 don't have IPs as they are slaves to the bond0 virtual interface
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| 15:14 | The fact is that both topologies are totally legit and should be dealt with accordingly
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| 15:14 | <alkisg> Yeah I know, I've used bonding with 4 nics. dhcp3-server could be more clever and autodetect even that, though... anyway not the case here.
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| 15:15 | pre-up ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00:00:00:00:00:00 ==> Ahmuck_ what does that do?
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| 15:15 | <Lns> sets an invalid mac? :)
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| 15:15 | <Ahmuck_> keeps it from incrementing eth1 eth2 eth3 ... eth144
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| 15:16 | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=619483
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| 15:16 | ya, the 000000:00:00:00 is not correct
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| 15:18 | <alkisg> Ahmuck_: anyway. Is dhcp3-server running? sudo invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server status
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| 15:18 | <Ahmuck_> ur right, not running
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| 15:19 | why wouldn't it be running? it was running ealier before the power problem
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| 15:20 | <alkisg> Btw, "pre-up ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00:00:00:00:00:00 " ==> you have both times eth0, you don't have eth1 in the second time, I don't know what you're supposed to be doing there, just noticing...
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| 15:20 | Ahmuck_: upload /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf and /etc/default/dhcp3-server to pastebin
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| 15:21 | <Ahmuck_> i think i might know. i fixed it so that eth144 was again eth0
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| 15:21 | <Lns> TOO weird..my vnc issue was dns related (downed primary dns, commented it out in /etc/resolv.conf and it works fine now)
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| 15:22 | vnc4server must time out when doing a lookup or something...
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| 15:22 | <Ahmuck_> http://pastebin.be/20291
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| 15:23 | alkisg: rebooting
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| 15:23 | i think you might have caught it
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| 15:23 | * Ahmuck_ hopes | |
| 15:23 | <alkisg> Ahmuck_ no need for reboot
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| 15:23 | <atomic007za> how do you a an action?
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| 15:23 | <alkisg> networking stop, edit interfaces, networking start...
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| 15:23 | <johnny> this is linux :)
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| 15:24 | not windows :)
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| 15:24 | <Ahmuck_> i'm not as smart as you all
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| 15:24 | <johnny> /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart
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| 15:24 | <Ahmuck_> well, older maybe
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| 15:24 | <atomic007za> =>
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| 15:24 | <alkisg> Familiarity with a specific OS has nothing to do with inteligence :)
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| 15:25 | <Lns> alkisg: timeless words!
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| 15:25 | <Ahmuck_> i'm windows familiar
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| 15:25 | <johnny> he probably meant.. not as smart about linux
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| 15:25 | <Lns> too many people falsely believe they are "geniuses" when people constantly tell them they are because they know where to click
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| 15:25 | <alkisg> (i'd have an IQ of -100 if that wasn't true, because I'm *too* familiar with windows :D)
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| 15:25 | <johnny> Lns, i only know enough to know i don't know enough :)
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| 15:25 | <Lns> johnny: =)
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| 15:26 | <johnny> everybody around me does call me a genius though
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| 15:26 | * atomic007za jump | |
| 15:26 | <atomic007za> i did it
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| 15:26 | <Lns> What got me was when i was first learning about *nix and got the book "Learn Unix in 24 hours" - a ~300-400 page book... and the introduction read, "I am NOT an expert in Unix".. and I laughed
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| 15:27 | <johnny> nobody is an expert at unix
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| 15:27 | if anybody say they are.. that is the indication that they aren't :)
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| 15:27 | <Lns> well back then i was like, 'how do you create a 400 page book about an OS and not be an "expert" in it??'
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| 15:27 | but now i know better :)
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| 15:27 | <johnny> i'd just say.. i'm pretty decent :)
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| 15:28 | so.. i'm wondering if i can build a career on triage and being helpful..
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| 15:28 | <atomic007za> i did it again
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| 15:28 | <johnny> i don't like starting projects from scratch
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| 15:28 | in fact.. i never really have..
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| 15:28 | i always take somebody elses scaffolding
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| 15:29 | <alkisg> johnny: you won't know the feeling unless you try, though
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| 15:29 | <johnny> general programmer disease.. is NIH
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| 15:29 | i'm the oppsite
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| 15:29 | opposite*
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| 15:30 | <alkisg> The first 5000 "thank you" letters for a project I'd done were very warming
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| 15:30 | <johnny> so.. i wonder if there is a career for someone like me who knows all the lingo.. and knows how the pieces fit together.. and loves to move code from local to upstream :)
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| 15:30 | <Ahmuck_> NIH ?
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| 15:30 | <johnny> not invented here
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| 15:30 | <Ahmuck_> blah, still no cookie
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| 15:30 | <johnny> aka reinventing the wheel
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| 15:30 | <alkisg> Ahmuck_ take it slow. First, upload /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to pastebin.
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| 15:31 | <johnny> alkisg, i get enough thank yous for solving long standing bugs
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| 15:31 | or cleaning up a crazy bugtracker..
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| 15:31 | <atomic007za> Ok ppl, I am out of here, need to reload my gui desktop aka XP
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| 15:31 | <alkisg> Mmmm right that's similar...
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| 15:31 | <johnny> there were over 500 tickets.. i'm down to 300 something
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| 15:31 | <atomic007za> cheers
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| 15:31 | <alkisg> Ciao
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| 15:31 | <johnny> after removing dupes, and stuff that was already fixed
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| 15:32 | and then marking some as needinfo.. got about 40 of those now
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| 15:32 | <johnny> after 4 weeks they become closed
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| 15:32 | <Ahmuck_> http://pastebin.be/20292
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| 15:33 | <johnny> alkisg, because of stuff like that.. it becomes easier for the project developer to get a handle on what is actually left to do
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| 15:33 | <alkisg> Ahmuck_: ok, now upload the result of: ifconfig -a
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| 15:33 | <johnny> i think the pileup had gotten so big.. he kinda gave up on it for awhile
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| 15:33 | except to trawl for additions to milestons
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| 15:33 | <alkisg> johnny: sure, it would be nice if there were paid jobs to do such things.... are there?
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| 15:34 | <johnny> well.. sorta
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| 15:34 | <Lns> johnny: you should contact canonical
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| 15:34 | i know i'd love to see more action in launchpad
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| 15:34 | <Ahmuck_> http://pastebin.be/20293
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| 15:34 | <johnny> there aren't any active jobs for that kinda thing atm..
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| 15:34 | there were tho
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| 15:34 | Lns, i'd prefer to see canonical and other companies donate to linux fund
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| 15:35 | and work for them instead
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| 15:35 | <alkisg> Ahmuck_: your problem is that eth1 doesn't have an ip
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| 15:35 | <Lns> well they're all helping linux in their own way
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| 15:35 | <alkisg> Run: sudo invoke-rc.d networking stop
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| 15:35 | <johnny> sure.. but stuff doesn't get back upstream as often as it should
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| 15:35 | <alkisg> Then: gksu gedit /etc/network/interfaces
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| 15:35 | <Lns> johnny: which is why you should help out :)
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| 15:35 | <alkisg> Ahmuck_: Then, *uncomment* this: # iface eth1 inet static
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| 15:35 | (=remove the #)
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| 15:36 | Save, and do: sudo invoke-rc.d networking start
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| 15:36 | Then: sudo invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server restart
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| 15:36 | <johnny> Lns, that's what i'm doing for gajim
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| 15:36 | i think i only use 4 apps day to day really
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| 15:36 | evolution, gajim, a terminal, and firefox
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| 15:36 | <Lns> you use evolution?!
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| 15:36 | * Lns drops his jaw | |
| 15:36 | <johnny> yes
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| 15:37 | got the rss feed
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| 15:37 | <Ahmuck_> will the pre-up work?
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| 15:37 | <johnny> Lns, i use it for the promise of DE integration
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| 15:37 | via evolution-data-server and whatnot
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| 15:37 | <alkisg> Ahmuck_ I don't know, but it surely won't work if you don't have an ip
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| 15:37 | <johnny> we haven't quite reached that promise.. so i might switch to mutt at some point
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| 15:37 | if we don't soon
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| 15:37 | altho gnome-shell, zeitgest and whatnot might keep me there
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| 15:37 | * alkisg thinks evolution is a *great* app (that badly needs webkit :)) | |
| 15:38 | <johnny> evolution doesn't support managesieve which is sad
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| 15:38 | nor imap idle
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| 15:38 | <Lns> I hate how gnome only integrates parts with evolution and doesn't give choice (like calendar appointments only work w/evolution and not sunbird)
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| 15:38 | <Ahmuck_> http://pastebin.be/20294
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| 15:38 | <johnny> that isn't true
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| 15:38 | you can use tasks for that
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| 15:38 | which is a minimal app just for tasks
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| 15:38 | that talks to eds
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| 15:38 | <Lns> ?
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| 15:38 | tell me more johnny
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| 15:39 | <johnny> Lns, ther'es a whole set of apps that are basically minimal versions of what evo supports
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| 15:39 | <Lns> reeeally
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| 15:39 | <johnny> Lns, that's the point of evolution-data-server!
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| 15:39 | <alkisg> Ahmuck_ put a # before the pre-up to comment it out
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| 15:39 | <Lns> heh..i always thought it was like an IE style integration of evolution < - > gnome
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| 15:39 | * Lns starts googling | |
| 15:39 | <alkisg> Ahmuck_ I don't think those pre-ups do anything useful there. Not sure, but I don't think so.
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| 15:40 | <johnny> Lns, there's even some tomboy integration, but not sure how good it us
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| 15:40 | it is*
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| 15:40 | <Lns> meh..i lost faith in tomboy
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| 15:40 | <Ahmuck_> nope
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| 15:40 | <johnny> Lns, eventually you'll see a merging of what evolution can do.with what empathy can do
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| 15:40 | into a shared pim solution
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| 15:41 | <johnny> Lns, i'm interested to see how zeitgest and the new tracker will play together in the long term
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| 15:41 | with evo that is
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| 15:41 | because that's what i'm looking for
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| 15:41 | <Lns> eww, tracker is still around?
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| 15:41 | <johnny> yes.. and much better
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| 15:41 | <Lns> sorry..haven't used it in ages
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| 15:41 | <johnny> .7 should kick ass
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| 15:42 | .6.. not so good
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| 15:42 | .7 uses the same thing as what kde's social stuff will do
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| 15:42 | <Lns> i'll have to give it a go on my jaunty box
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| 15:42 | <johnny> the rdf nepomuk ontology
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| 15:42 | .7 isn't done yet
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| 15:42 | should be for karmic though hopefully
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| 15:42 | <Lns> cool :)
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| 15:42 | johnny: you have restored my faith in the direction of evolution and gnome :)
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| 15:43 | <coordinador> somebody from Disless Workstations?
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| 15:43 | *Diskless
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| 15:43 | <johnny> Lns, i subscribe to planet.gnome.org and planet.freedesktop.org
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| 15:43 | i recommend you do so too
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| 15:43 | and also linux.ars
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| 15:44 | phoronix is a good place as well
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| 15:44 | that keeps me up to date for the most part
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| 15:44 | <Lns> i guess i need to get into RSS feeds now.. :)
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| 15:44 | * Lns is so old sk00l | |
| 15:44 | <johnny> i use the evolution-rss plugin.. it's kinda slow..but does the job
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| 15:44 | but you could just go with google reader, or the standalone liferea
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| 15:44 | <Lns> any recommended panel applets?
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| 15:45 | <johnny> well.. i use the mail notification applet
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| 15:45 | and since evolution-rss uses evo mailboxes
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| 15:45 | <johnny> i can get watches for them
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| 15:45 | but i think liferea has a panel applet too
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| 15:45 | <Lns> installing liferea..
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| 15:46 | <johnny> i use evolution-rss + mail notification applet to watch woot additions during a wootoff
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| 15:46 | * alkisg uses google calendar auto-synced with evolution, and gets free SMS notifications for everything :D | |
| 15:46 | <johnny> Lns, all decent rss readers support opml files, so you can import/export feed lists at will between programs
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| 15:46 | <Ahmuck_> ATTRS{address}=="af:52:de:7d:1d:00", NAME="eth0"
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| 15:47 | ID=="0000:00:06.0", NAME="eth0"
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| 15:47 | <johnny> so if a program stops being updated.. you'll still be able to move to another
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| 15:47 | <Ahmuck_> does it matter if it's speced out by mac address or by pci id ?
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| 15:47 | <Lns> johnny: liferea does this?
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| 15:47 | <johnny> yes
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| 15:47 | my gf uses it
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| 15:47 | <Lns> cool. man...lots of feeds by default there. great...another app to waste my time hahahhaa
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| 15:47 | <johnny> i also use that to subscribe to change feeds
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| 15:47 | <Ahmuck_> taking the pre-up out kills eth1
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| 15:48 | <johnny> for ltsp and gajim
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| 15:48 | * Lns jumps into the RSS world | |
| 15:49 | <johnny> Lns, imo it saves time.. i hate going to every page to read all new things
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| 15:49 | <alkisg> Ahmuck_: so now it's renamed to eth2?
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| 15:49 | Try again: ifconfig -a
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| 15:49 | <Ahmuck_> nope, it's not there
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| 15:49 | <Lns> johnny: yeah, now i don't have to visit slashdot :)
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| 15:49 | holy crap this is cool =)
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| 15:49 | <Ahmuck_> ifconfig -a shows eth1
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| 15:51 | <johnny> Lns, gnomefiles is also a good place
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| 15:51 | i have osnews, gnomefiles, phoronix, planet fedora, planet freedesktop, planet gentoo, planet gnome
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| 15:52 | <Ahmuck_> *sigh*
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| 15:53 | <johnny> boing boing, linode, digg (sadly),planet jabber, woot, foreign policy, various one travel light sites, et
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| 15:53 | etc*
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| 15:53 | <Lns> johnny: thanks!
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| 15:54 | <johnny> Lns, and the ltsp changelog stuff is useful too.. so you can see what is actually being committed
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| 15:54 | i can give you the url for that
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| 15:54 | <Lns> johnny: yeah can you?
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| 15:54 | <Ahmuck_> alkisg_bbl: give up?
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| 15:54 | <johnny> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/atom
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| 15:55 | <Lns> =)
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| 15:55 | <johnny> i'm not sure of the path to ldm and ltspfs tho
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| 15:55 | <alkisg_bbl> Ahmuck_ no but I don't even know why you had to put the pre-up there in the first place.
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| 15:55 | <johnny> you can find them when you go to the code browsing and pick changes link
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| 15:55 | <alkisg_bbl> Ahmuck_ I don't know if eth1 has an IP now (it didn't before)...
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| 15:55 | <Ahmuck_> to keep it from going eth1 eth2 eth3 eth4, etc
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| 15:55 | <johnny> Lns, if you see the rss icon in firefox, just click on it, and copy the url into liferea
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| 15:55 | <Ahmuck_> however on that interface, i've not had that problem
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| 15:55 | <johnny> Lns, also.. sage rss is an in browser rss reader..
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| 15:55 | i forgot about that
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| 15:55 | <Ahmuck_> however if i don't have it in there, i don't get an eth1
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| 15:55 | <johnny> so it's a firefox extension
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| 15:56 | <alkisg_bbl> Ahmuck_ It didn't say anything like this in the link you sent me, it only said about net-rules
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| 15:56 | <Lns> i guess that'd be logical to use too
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| 15:56 | <Ahmuck_> it doesn't now, now there is no eth1
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| 15:56 | <johnny> i'd love to do all mine web based. but i don't need google to know all the feeds i read
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| 15:56 | <Ahmuck_> hrm, were misunderstanding each other somewhere
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| 15:56 | <johnny> and i don't have a good open source app for that on the web side.. yet
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| 15:56 | Lns, of course. there is always rss -> email
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| 15:56 | many options for that
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| 15:56 | <alkisg_bbl> Ahmuck_ but you do have eth1, you say that ifconfig -a shows it
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| 15:57 | <Ahmuck_> alkisg_bbl: ah, yes, it was further down
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| 15:57 | <johnny> but it's cleaner to use something meant for the task
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| 15:57 | <Lns> rather not do the e-mail..i have trouble keeping my inbox down as it is
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| 15:57 | <Ahmuck_> in the article
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| 15:57 | <johnny> Lns, liferea supports podcasts too btw
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| 15:57 | <alkisg_bbl> Ahmuck_ anyway I'll be back in 20', if you want to wait... bbl :)
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| 15:57 | <Ahmuck_> alkisg_bbl: yes, ifconfig -a shows eth1, however ifconfig shows only eth0
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| 15:57 | <johnny> as does the evo reader
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| 15:57 | <Lns> and filters won't help much because i'll just not read them in there either =p
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| 15:57 | <Ahmuck_> ok
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| 15:57 | i'll wait
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| 15:58 | <johnny> Lns, you can also "bookmark" entries to read later.. and set it to delete all older entries
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| 15:58 | ok.. see this is what i want to be good at.. and get paid for.. introducing people to new things :)
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| 15:58 | <Ahmuck_> * Deconfiguring network interfaces... /etc/network/interfaces:11: misplaced option
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| 15:58 | ifdown: couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces"
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| 15:58 | [fail]
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| 15:59 | any idea what 11: misplaced option is ?
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| 15:59 | <johnny> [fail]
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| 15:59 | lol
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| 15:59 | <Ahmuck_> :p
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| 15:59 | <johnny> line 11
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| 15:59 | my guess anyways
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| 15:59 | <Ahmuck_> pre-up ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00:00:6c:6a:19:35
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| 15:59 | <johnny> i don't know the syntax
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| 16:00 | <Ahmuck_> odd, that is the nic that is working
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| 16:00 | is it not able to read the interfaces file because it's saying it doesn't understand this line and therefore won't push the network down?
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| 16:01 | <Lns> Ahmuck: probably...do you have the pre-up command in the right place? dunno if it's required before/after any other options
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| 16:01 | <johnny> Ahmuck, i think so..
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| 16:04 | <Ahmuck_> is there a way to disable a particular onboard nic?
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| 16:05 | it might be easier for me to just get some different nics and put them in the puter
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| 16:05 | <Lns> Ahmuck: the bios?
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| 16:06 | <Ahmuck_> Lns: yes! /me forgot that option
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| 16:06 | so throwing two 3com nics in the machine, ubuntu ltsp will auto configure?
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| 16:11 | <coordinador> somebody from Diskless Workstations?
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| 16:12 | <Lns> _UsUrPeR_: ^^ ? (i forgot, are you?)
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| 16:14 | <coordinador> humm i think usurper is not available
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| 16:15 | somebody else from diskless workstations?
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| 16:17 | <Lns> coordinador: you could always call them ;)
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| 16:18 | <coordinador> im in chile
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| 16:18 | haha
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| 16:20 | <ltsppbot> "alkisg" pasted "/etc/network/interfaces for Ahmuck" (34 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/472
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| 16:21 | <alkisg_bbl> Ahmuck_ try with this file for interfaces ^^^
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| 16:21 | At least the error is in the last line, so eth1 should work.
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| 16:21 | (if you insist on putting pre-ups, that is...)
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| 16:23 | (btw, in the forum, the person there puts the nic mac address, not zeroes...)
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| 16:23 | (i.e. pre-up ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00:1d:7d:de:52:af)
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| 16:27 | <Ahmuck_> k, the pre-up is the problem
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| 16:28 | well, the pre-up is there because i found a how to to fix the nvidia problem with the nics
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| 16:29 | <alkisg_bbl> Ahmuck_: where's that how to? You only gave the forum link here.
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| 16:33 | <Ahmuck_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=619483 - towards the bottom
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| 16:34 | someone mentioned that it might be network manager that might be overwriting what i'm doing in /etc/network/interfaces and i should "sudo aptitude remove network-manager"
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| 16:34 | <alkisg_bbl> Ahmuck_: where, in that topic, does it say to put zeros for mac addresss?
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| 16:34 | I don't see it anywhere, and I've searched for 00:00:00...
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| 16:35 | Copy/paste the sentence here, so that I can search for it.
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| 16:35 | <Ahmuck_> pre-up ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00:1d:7d:de:52:af
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| 16:36 | <alkisg_bbl> (12:21:36 πμ) alkisg: (btw, in the forum, the person there puts the nic mac address, not zeroes...)
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| 16:36 | (12:21:53 πμ) alkisg: (i.e. pre-up ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00:1d:7d:de:52:af)
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| 16:37 | <Ahmuck_> alkisg_bbl: i guess this is really about networking and i should take it somewhere else
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| 16:37 | <alkisg_bbl> That's what I've been saying all along, that it's wrong to put zeroes in /etc/network/interfaces
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| 16:37 | <Ahmuck_> i don't have zero's there
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| 16:38 | it's there to keep my mac address private which i just blew
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| 16:38 | <alkisg> http://pastebin.be/20290 ==> pre-up ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00:00:00:00:00:00
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| 16:38 | Bah....
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| 16:38 | OK you just killed us all :)
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| 16:38 | <Ahmuck_> yes, that pastebin was for the world. the 00 designate where the mac address should go
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| 16:40 | i need to look around the web some more and see if there is a more graceful way to do this. that line is causing problems
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| 16:42 | <bieb> ok.. I have an issue with samba printing and my clients. ubuntu9.04, I also am authenticating users against Active Directory. The 2 print queues that the students need are on a windows box, when I set up the printer and leave it to "Prompt" for authentication and a user tries to print they get an error message stating "unable to prompt for authorization"
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| 16:44 | <Ahmuck_> how does ltsp work on windows boxes ?
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| 16:44 | <johnny> hmm?
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| 16:44 | it works fine with active directory in some ways
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| 16:45 | and with printers on windows
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| 16:45 | just fine..
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| 16:45 | usually
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| 16:45 | but he's doing some billing stuff
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| 16:45 | <bieb> johnny: yeah your right.. we have a print management/charge system
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| 16:48 | <bieb> johnny: any ideas?? :D
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| 16:48 | <Ahmuck_> ping
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| 16:48 | <bieb> pong
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| 16:49 | <Ahmuck_> k, i reset it back to the old way, i guess i'll have to deal with ever increasing eth for now
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| 16:50 | does ubuntu have some type of appendix, or here is a list of devices and fixes for them?
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| 17:01 | <alkisg> Ahmuck_: to set the hw ethernet address, you don't have to run "ifconfig" on pre-up, you may put this line after auto eth0: hwaddress ether 00:1b:24:89:65:d3
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