IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 22 March 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 04:54 | <bip> anybody awake and around ?
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| 06:36 | <Jenna> morning guys
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| 06:38 | A weird thing is going on with me (my server) . When I type "w" I get info about 1 or 2 users. but when I run fl_teachertool it shown that multple users are online. Anyway when I phycially look at the system I find all the system with the users logged in. Is the "w" cmd screwy or what ?
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| 06:46 | <py1n1> I have a situation here. I can login into kde, but when I launch an app such as konqueror, or firefox, the workstation freezes
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| 06:48 | <bip> r u sure the server and or the client have all the ram they need to have py1n1 ?
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| 06:52 | <py1n1> client has small ram, I am trying to enable USE_NBD_SWAP
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| 06:52 | do I need to restart the server or just reboot the client?
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| 06:55 | <bip> mmm
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| 06:55 | u neet to start the wap daemon i think
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| 06:55 | swap
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| 06:55 | i have no first hand expereince py1n1
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| 06:55 | but with unix u dont restart the machine
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| 06:55 | u just sart the service u need py1n1
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| 06:56 | <py1n1> ok, it got better after I enabled nbd swap, but it still not seamless... the mouse pinter hickups sometimes
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| 06:57 | <cliebow> how much memory? aand which ltsp?
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| 06:57 | swap Will be slow
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| 06:58 | <py1n1> ltsp 4.2 workstation is P150 with 49Mb ram
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| 06:58 | not a great machine tough
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| 06:58 | actually /var/spool/ltspswap/ is empty
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| 06:59 | can I run top on the workstation itself?
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| 06:59 | <bip> i dont know ram might be okj
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| 06:59 | what sort of server r uu tryin to boot from py1n1 ?
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| 06:59 | how much ram it has ?
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| 06:59 | and what sort of cpu ?
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| 06:59 | disck ? network card ?
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| 06:59 | switch or hub ?
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| 07:00 | there r many points where your data might get stuck py1n1
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| 07:00 | <envite> Hello all from Spain
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| 07:02 | <bip> good
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| 07:02 | how s weather there ?
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| 07:02 | sunny ?
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| 07:05 | <envite> Canary islands: rainy
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| 07:05 | <cliebow> py1n1, 49 meg for 4.2 should be ok...i watched one client for three days running a bunch of stuff and it never went over 33 meg...just enough to bork a 32 meg client
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| 07:05 | <py1n1> ok, how can I trace the problem down?
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| 07:05 | <cliebow> try it without swap if using 4.2\..ltsp5 requires more
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| 07:05 | <bip> osorta rainy in italy too envite
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| 07:05 | <cliebow> memory
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| 07:05 | sort of rainy in Maine
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| 07:06 | <bip> maine
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| 07:06 | <py1n1> cliebow: remove swap in lts.conf?
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| 07:06 | <cliebow> some schools postponed cause of ice
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| 07:06 | <bip> where the lobsters are ;-)
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| 07:06 | <cliebow> id comment it out and try it..
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| 07:06 | <cliebow> bip:yes..like 50 feet away
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| 07:06 | from here
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| 07:06 | <bip> cliebow, i m experiencing deep pain with this:
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| 07:06 | <py1n1> cliebow: #USE_NBD_SWAP=Y is this?
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| 07:06 | <cliebow> drawn butter....
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| 07:06 | <bip> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/BootingFromLocalDevice
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| 07:07 | <cliebow> py1n1, give it a whirl
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| 07:07 | <bip> did u keep the # there py1n1 ?
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| 07:07 | <py1n1> cliebow: should I restart any services in the server or just reboot X on the client?
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| 07:07 | <cliebow> just reboot
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| 07:08 | <py1n1> bip: it was uncommented, I commented it out now
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| 07:08 | <bip> ok
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| 07:08 | just to be sure
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| 07:08 | sorry doing phone support makes me paranoid ;-)
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| 07:08 | <cliebow> the client
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| 07:09 | <bip> cliebow, do u ever had a client booting from local device ?
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| 07:09 | <cliebow> ogra:fwiw i have a new chroot for ppc..anything i can check with it for you?
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| 07:09 | never tried it..
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| 07:09 | <bip> ouch
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| 07:10 | i m stuck with taht and following the howto at the wiki
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| 07:10 | <cliebow> fwiw: my old macs booted from hard drive..but that is ancient
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| 07:10 | <bip> if somebody has some first hand esperience with that
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| 07:10 | <bip> please ping me ...
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| 07:10 | i m goin nut ...
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| 07:10 | <ogra> cliebow, check that sound works ... the whoile sound implementation is new and should see most testing
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| 07:10 | <bip> well i m already nut ...
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| 07:11 | <cliebow> trying to boot from a usb stick?ok..give itr a try
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| 07:11 | <bip> but i m becoming nuttier now :(
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| 07:11 | <bip> well i m stuck at building a initrs i could wriote into a usb stick actually
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| 07:11 | a initrd i mean
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| 07:14 | <py1n1> hmm, did not get much better. when I try to load a heavy page, the mouse pointer hickups, and locks up.
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| 07:15 | what else can I do?
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| 07:16 | <bip> well ...
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| 07:16 | is the server nuscular enuff ?
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| 07:16 | how is the nework connection ?
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| 07:16 | what sort of gui are u running py1n1 ?
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| 07:17 | <py1n1> kde - 100Mbit nic client/switch/100Mbit nic on server
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| 07:17 | will try to change the switch
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| 07:17 | <bip> well wait
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| 07:17 | what sort of cpu ram and disk has the server ?
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| 07:18 | <py1n1> server is a dell pentiumD 500Mb ram, ide disk
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| 07:19 | <bip> how much ram does the server have py1n1 ?
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| 07:19 | ah ok 500
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| 07:20 | which is 512 i guess
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| 07:20 | big question ?
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| 07:20 | is that machine running something like apache and/ a datbase server ?
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| 07:21 | <bip> ora ctong as fileserver for many nmachines py1n1 ?
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| 07:23 | <py1n1> bip: yes, has apache and mysql
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| 07:23 | <bip> ok
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| 07:23 | then ...
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| 07:23 | <py1n1> no ctong (actually I never heard of it)
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| 07:23 | <Jenna> A weird thing is going on with me (my server) . When I type "w" I get info about 1 or 2 users. but when I run fl_teachertool it shown that multple users are online. Anyway when I phycially look at the system I find all the system with the users logged in. Is the "w" cmd screwy or what ?
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| 07:23 | <bip> cfoorget ctong
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| 07:23 | it s a typo
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| 07:23 | ok
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| 07:23 | py1n1, listen
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| 07:23 | <py1n1> listening
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| 07:24 | <bip> i think u might have not enuff ram on the server
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| 07:24 | the guidelines are:
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| 07:24 | <py1n1> I just stopped apache and mysql to see
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| 07:24 | <bip> ok
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| 07:24 | se if that improves
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| 07:24 | <bip> w/out those it might work
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| 07:24 | but if u need to run those py1n1
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| 07:25 | think about having 512
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| 07:25 | plus about 70-80 for each term py1n1
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| 07:25 | <str4nd_> hi ogra
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| 07:25 | <bip> what other service is offering that machine py1n1 ?
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| 07:26 | <cliebow> ogra:it will be a while..change of plans..gota go to school
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| 07:26 | <bip> samba to a large domain/workgroup maybe ?
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| 07:27 | <py1n1> running apache 2.0.x / mysql 4 / cacti and nagios only.
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| 07:28 | it now took longer to lock, but it frozen
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| 07:29 | <str4nd_> ogra: I have a problem, thin clients with matrox vga cards doesn't work (I don't know is it because that card). They boot but ldm doesn't show up.
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| 07:30 | <Jenna> anyone experience the same thing. (i.e. the screwy "w" cmd)
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| 07:30 | ? i.e.
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| 07:31 | <bip> py1n1, r u sure r u using good ram modules ?
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| 07:32 | when linux frezzes i suspect bad harware
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| 07:32 | <py1n1> bip: they are expected to be good, they are dell's original, were expensive
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| 07:32 | <bip> have u added any component lately into that machine
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| 07:32 | were how many years ago py1n1 ?
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| 07:32 | ram wear out like tires
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| 07:33 | how long have thye been used ?
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| 07:33 | <py1n1> not longer than one year
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| 07:33 | <bip> ok worth bein checked
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| 07:33 | u might get a free replacement
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| 07:33 | anyhow
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| 07:34 | have u addedd any new component lately ?
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| 07:34 | <py1n1> will run memtest on then
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| 07:34 | <bip> new video card ?
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| 07:34 | new cdisk contriller ?
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| 07:34 | <py1n1> added a new nic, for serving the workstations
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| 07:34 | <bip> tv card ?
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| 07:34 | whatever ?
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| 07:34 | <py1n1> no fancy things, just the nic
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| 07:34 | <bip> ok
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| 07:34 | <py1n1> I might try to replace it tough
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| 07:35 | <bip> how many worksrtaions do u ahve connected ?
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| 07:35 | wait wait
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| 07:35 | i m not the most logical person around ...
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| 07:35 | but now i m tryn to be one ;-)
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| 07:36 | how many term r connected to that server py1n1 ?
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| 07:36 | <py1n1> a singe lonely first beta testing terminal
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| 07:36 | <bip> poor chap
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| 07:36 | <bip> ok
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| 07:36 | i d change nick
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| 07:36 | nic
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| 07:36 | <py1n1> ok
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| 07:36 | <bip> not
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| 07:36 | nickname ;-)
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| 07:36 | test ram
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| 07:36 | <str4nd_> ograa... :(
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| 07:37 | <py1n1> ok, I will
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| 07:37 | I gotta leave for a while, brb
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| 07:37 | <Tarcisio> hey bip
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| 07:37 | do you help me
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| 07:37 | <bip> then maybe change swittch port and/or whole switch
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| 07:37 | well ...
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| 07:37 | hard to say Tarcisio
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| 07:37 | unless u say what u need help with
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| 07:38 | my rmind reading powers are sorely lacking tooday Tarcisio im fraid ;-)
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| 07:38 | <Tarcisio> do you speak portuguese
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| 07:38 | <bip> no
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| 07:38 | do u speak italian ?
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| 07:38 | <bengoa> I speak portuguese :-D
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| 07:38 | <Tarcisio> no too
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| 07:39 | bengoa
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| 07:39 | <bip> ok talk with bengoa
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| 07:39 | but please not here
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| 07:39 | <bengoa> bip, sure.
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| 07:39 | <py1n1> I do speak portuguese, porque?
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| 07:39 | <bip> it wont be fun ...
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| 07:39 | <Tarcisio> beleza
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| 07:39 | what?
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| 07:39 | <bengoa> Tarcisio, call me in pvt
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| 07:39 | <bip> for most of us ;-)
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| 07:39 | or i might start speakin italian
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| 07:39 | and ogra german
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| 07:40 | a this will be like babel tower ;-)
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| 07:40 | sorry for bein my usual bofh self ,-)
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| 07:51 | <Tarcisio> alou
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| 07:51 | <envite> hola
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| 07:51 | <Tarcisio> do you speak portuguese
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| 07:52 | <Tarcisio> I dont know say my problems an other language
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| 07:53 | hey bengoa
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| 07:54 | do you pvt me
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| 08:09 | <vlt|l> Hello. I'm trying to run a vncviewer session on a client (yes, directly on the client). When running `startx vncviewer` I get "no program named 'xterm' in PATH". How can I start an X program?
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| 08:13 | <Tarcisio> hey bip
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| 08:16 | >:o hey bip
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| 08:17 | * bip is gone ...if u know everything about booting from local devices ping him later | |
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| 09:07 | <jammcq> !sbalneav
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| 09:07 | <ltspbot> jammcq: "sbalneav" is Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:07 | <sbalneav> lol
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| 09:07 | !monkeys
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| 09:07 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "monkeys" is SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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| 09:07 | <jammcq> nice little macro :)
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| 09:08 | <sbalneav> So, what's shakin around here?
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| 09:08 | <cliebow_> jammcq:testing new fei sty ppc chroot..for sound
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| 09:11 | <jammcq> cliebow_: cool
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| 09:14 | <cliebow_> ive had it booted..didnt have any music or anything to test with ^_^
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| 09:15 | <jammcq> no reggae ?
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| 09:17 | <cliebow_> Heh..all on the ibook right now..sony hd died
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| 09:32 | <SBNet> blinny!!!!!!
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| 09:34 | <Blinny> So you have 60 PCs split into two rooms. What sort of questions do you have?
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| 09:35 | <SBNet> well, to reduce costs, we are going to cycle out all windows machines for linux machines within 5 years, slowly, we just bought brand new software and stuff and i'm having to break these guys of windows
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| 09:36 | <Blinny> Super.
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| 09:36 | <SBNet> well, i've done my office and most of the other IT guys, also half the servers have been virtualized with vmware and are running FC5, next i'd like to replace one lab with thin clients
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| 09:37 | just didn't know how to do it, i've looked into ltsp, but not 100% sure about it
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| 09:37 | <Blinny> If it's a testing/proof-of-concept solution you're after, you can probably roll one of your existing desktops into a "server", just to convince yourself it's possible.
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| 09:38 | SBNet: From personal experience, I can say that LTSP is fantastic.
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| 09:39 | <cliebow_> SBNet:it is awesome..and the guys that built it are as well
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| 09:39 | <SBNet> is it easy to setup and understand cause the people i work with hate work, if they can't learn it in a few minutes, they don't want it
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| 09:39 | how long of a setup time is it, per machine?
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| 09:39 | <gepatino> SBNet: we're using it since 2003, it's great
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| 09:41 | <SBNet> well, i'm looking for something that i can use so a user logs into a machine and their documents are there and they go to another and viola, they are on that one too, saves us on diskspace as all students have H drives mapped and faculty have as many as 5 mapped drives
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| 09:41 | <Blinny> SBNet: That's how I have my users set up. It's really a matter of how fault-proof and scalable you want to be as to how you set it up.
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| 09:42 | SBNet: I personally have one beast server that boots all the clients, authenticates logins, shares /home and serves applications.
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| 09:43 | SBNet: Many others have two+ mirrored application servers (in case one breaks), one NFS server doing /home, and one+ handling thin-client boots.
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| 09:43 | <SBNet> well, if i can do this, it will free up a lot of money so we can get new servers, our newest is about 3 months old, we have two of them, then 2 more about 6 months old and the rest are about 3 to 5 years old except for one or two which are over 6 years old
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| 09:44 | <Blinny> SBNet: Right on.
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| 09:44 | <SBNet> half our system depends on 500 mhz machines that are 5+ years old
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| 09:44 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> good morning...
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| 09:44 | <Blinny> SBNet: The two major considerations in LTSP are bandwidth and RAM.
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| 09:44 | SBNet: I work for a non-profit; we still have Pentium 1s in use.
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| 09:44 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> have some notes por edubuntu with ltsp 5 ver
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| 09:44 | <cliebow_> SBNet:will they pxeboot?
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| 09:45 | <SBNet> well, the lab will be moved to our new library/it facility were everything will be gigabit network
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| 09:45 | i don't know, that's why i'm trying to figure these things out, they are all dell 2400 series pcs
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| 09:46 | <Blinny> SBNet: In the normal configuration, the power/age of the PCs don't really matter. Some folks use 486s just for proof.
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| 09:46 | <cliebow_> check the bios..chance are they will..and that gives you a leg up
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| 09:46 | <gepatino> if the machines are not pxe ready, you can always boot from diskettes
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| 09:47 | SBNet: as an example, our print server is a Pentium MMX 200, with 16Mb or RAM
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| 09:47 | <SBNet> well, most of them have a boot from network option
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| 09:47 | in the bios
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| 09:47 | <gepatino> and it manages two laserjet printers for the whole office
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| 09:47 | <cliebow_> and easy enough to slap in an etheboot card with prom as well
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| 09:47 | <SBNet> ha ha, we have about 200 printers managed by our 500 mhz printserver
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| 09:48 | <Blinny> SBNet: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WebHome is a great place to begin looking at How It All Works
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| 09:49 | <SBNet> well, i figured that it shouldn't be too hard since all these machines already have a boot from network option in the bios, they have onboard nics
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| 09:50 | <Blinny> SBNet: Some network cards have the capability built-in, some don't (even if the BIOS option exists)
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| 09:50 | SBNet: You can buy bootroms really cheaply for most cards, or you can pick up $20 NICs from disklessworkstations.com that will plug into most x86 computer and boot them.
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| 09:51 | SBNet: Getting the NICs from disklessworkstations.com is what I did. They Just Work (tm)
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| 09:52 | SBNet: Honestly though, you should be putting much more thought into your network topology and server configurations than the clients. The clients are the easy part.. just plug 'em in and turn 'em on.
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| 09:54 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ogra: r u ther?
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| 09:58 | <py1n1> how can I make my serial mouse work?
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| 10:00 | <cliebow_> py1n1, this in ltsp4.2? check the wiki at
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| 10:00 | !wiki
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| 10:00 | <ltspbot> cliebow_: "wiki" is the LTSP wiki. You can find it at http://wiki.ltsp.org
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| 10:01 | <py1n1> I checked the wiki, search gimmes nothing for serial keyword
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| 10:02 | <Blinny> py1n1: You're looking for creating a custom section of lts.conf to set up that one machine w/ a static IP and mouse options. Then you'll need to change X_MOUSE_DEVICE to something like '/dev/ttyS0'
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| 10:02 | <py1n1> was searching with jump form
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| 10:02 | ok, tnx
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| 10:02 | <Blinny> py1n1: Try here from 8.7.4 down: http://www.skolelinux.no/~klaus/newnotater/x2220.html
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| 10:04 | <py1n1> it worked, tnx!
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| 10:04 | the workstation entry in the lts.conf should be the same as host defined in /etc/hosts ?
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| 10:04 | <SBNet> well, my idea is to test it now with a few client machines and a server, then up the testing to a class using a boot cd to boot to the linux desktop, our computer science dept. uses linux only and right now they are having to ssh into a linux box
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| 10:06 | <cliebow_> or..set up an ltsp server and pxeboot
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| 10:06 | <Blinny> SBNet: Right on. For testing purposes you may wish to go for an already integrated distro, like k12ltsp.org or edubuntu
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| 10:06 | <SBNet> i'd like to start with one server, and a class. then switch a few more server from windows to linux and then slowly move all clients to linux, but i'm kinda waiting on samba 4 before i do any major changes
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| 10:06 | <Blinny> py1n1: Yes. You can define them by name or IP
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| 10:07 | SBNet: When you do eventually have 10+ computers running diskless, you'll get into needing a pretty powerful server.
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| 10:09 | <SBNet> well, i'm looking at testing a single client to a single server, my server would be this computer, dell dimension 2400 2.0 ghz with 1gb ram
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| 10:09 | <Blinny> SBNet: Well, have at it then! (;
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| 10:09 | <SBNet> but i plan on buying a dell 1u rack server with 2 or 4 socket dual core system with around 8 gb ram
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| 10:10 | <Blinny> SBNet: To planfully do so, check out http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ServerSizing
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| 10:10 | <SBNet> i'm trying to virtualize our server room so we go to smaller more powerful servers instead of a bunch of little servers cause our new server room will be really small
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| 10:11 | <SBNet> right now i'm going to replace one of my servers, a new dell server, 2 socket dual core 2.4ghz xeon processor, 2 gb ram and daul 80gb hd
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| 10:12 | <py1n1> tnx Blinny
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| 10:12 | <SBNet> only cost me $2200
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| 10:12 | <py1n1> Blinny: with lts.conf pointing to a serial mouse, the pointer is crazy fast, how could I adjust that?
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| 10:12 | <Blinny> py1n1: No worries mate.
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| 10:13 | py1n1: On my FC5 it's in System->Preferences->Mouse
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| 10:13 | <bgomes> How configure Xorg module on ltsp-5/ubuntu_feisty_i386 ? for defaul is vesa, and I am need ati
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| 10:13 | by hostname in /opt/ltsp/ubuntu_feisty_i386/etc/lts.conf using XSERVER = ati dont woking
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| 10:14 | <Blinny> py1n1: In order to keep things for that client, you may wish to use the MAC address of the NIC in your lts.conf file so that the settings follow that computer through DHCP address releases and renewals.
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| 10:15 | <py1n1> I fixed an IP to that mac on dhcpd.conf already
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| 10:15 | <Blinny> py1n1: Right on.
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| 10:15 | <py1n1> Blinny: running centos here, and I not used to kde!
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| 10:16 | <Blinny> py1n1: Me neither :(
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| 10:17 | bgomes: Does the thin client try to use ati xserver, or is it still using vesa ?
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| 10:17 | <bgomes> Blinny: use ati on xserver, but is using vesa
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| 10:18 | I need use ati
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| 10:18 | <Blinny> bgomes: It sounds like the client is not getting that setting at all. Make sure you have a section in lts.conf for that client, using MAC address. (See http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf)
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| 10:20 | <bgomes> Blinny: Using the hostname dont working in ltsp-5?
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| 10:21 | <Blinny> bgomes: It will, but the hostname may change unless you set it static in dhcpd.conf
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| 10:21 | bgomes: If you use MAC you don't need to mess w/ dhcpd.conf
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| 10:23 | <bgomes> Blinny: I have in dhcpd.conf fixed-address for my thin client, I will test this with MAC
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| 10:27 | Blinny: With the MAC is work, the hostname is not suported on lts.conf in ltsp-5?
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| 10:28 | <Blinny> bgomes: The hostname is supported too.
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| 10:29 | <bgomes> Blinny: here dont working
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| 10:47 | <Blinny> Gotta run!
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| 11:34 | <SBNet> can i use fedora core 6 for ltsp?
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| 11:36 | <bgomes> SBNet: yes u can!
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| 11:37 | <SBNet> ok
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| 11:38 | <bgomes> SBNet: what version u know to use ltsp ?
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| 11:44 | <SBNet> i know fc5 and fc6, just don't know what or how to setup ltsp for fedora
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| 11:47 | <bgomes> SBNet: version of ltsp ! :)
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| 11:47 | <SBNet> i don't know, new to ltsp
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| 11:47 | <bgomes> !ltsp5
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| 11:47 | <ltspbot> bgomes: "ltsp5" is ltsp5 is The next version of LTSP, and the future of Thin Client computing on GNU/Linux. http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5
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| 11:47 | <bgomes> !ltsp5status
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| 11:47 | <ltspbot> bgomes: Error: "ltsp5status" is not a valid command.
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| 11:48 | <pscheie> SBNet: k12ltsp is ltsp 4.2 bundled with fc6
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| 11:48 | it's all in there already
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| 11:49 | <SBNet> ok
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| 11:53 | <SBNet> i know this is kinda off topic, but can windows be done like ltsp? i think that would ease a transition to thin clients
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| 11:53 | <Lumiere> SBNet: you can get windows thin clients... they cost a TON of money
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| 11:55 | <SBNet> ohh ok
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| 11:55 | <Gad1> SBNet: most of our customers are on diskless windows
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| 11:55 | :)
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| 11:55 | so, yes, it can be done
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| 11:56 | <SBNet> can it be done with a windows xp cd? i'm looking to spend no more money to go to thin clients, as most of our machines can network boot
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| 11:57 | i'd like to test windows thine clients, then move to ltsp
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| 11:58 | <Gad1> we use ltsp and connect to WTS
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| 11:58 | no need for XP CD
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| 11:58 | but, you do need Windows Terminal Revices
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| 11:58 | er, Services
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| 11:58 | (and licenses for production use)
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| 11:58 | unfortunately, staying with windows and more money tend to go hand-in-hand ;)
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| 11:59 | <cliebow_> Gadi:windows terminal reversals?
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| 11:59 | <Gad1> cliebow_: zactly
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| 12:00 | <pscheie> Gad1: did you get my message about NCLS?
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| 12:00 | <Gad1> pscheie: I did - so sorry for not responding right away
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| 12:00 | I need to coordinate with both wife and company ;)
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| 12:01 | any chance I could be booked for Thursday?
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| 12:01 | <pscheie> that's okay; my mail server has been acting funky, so I wanted make sure the message actually arrived
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| 12:01 | <Gad1> Friday usually means I have to stay the weekend, and I'm not so excited to be away from them for that long (especially since my wife is on call that weekend)
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| 12:02 | <pscheie> Well, Thursday is the day we present K12LTSP to 'newcomers', all the school folks we invite
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| 12:02 | Friday is for oldcomers, people familiar with LTSP
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| 12:02 | <jammcq> /query Gad1
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| 12:02 | oops :)
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| 12:03 | <pscheie> so Friday's agenda is more relevant;
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| 12:03 | <Gad1> well, you do know that LTSP keeps changing
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| 12:03 | its prolly new to everybody (me included ;) )
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| 12:03 | <pscheie> me too, that's why I want you to attend ;-)
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| 12:03 | <SBNet> well, the people around here hate change, they would rather die than change, so i figure very small steps, very very small steps
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| 12:03 | <pscheie> tell me all about sound
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| 12:03 | <cliebow_> me too..trying to get time to try the new sound rig in ppc
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| 12:04 | <pscheie> Scott said he'll come down, he usually arrives late Thurs. and we have him speak on Fri.
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| 12:04 | <jammcq> pscheie: i'm mostly sure I'll be there. problem is, I just heard yesterday there's plans for a Desktop Arch meeting in Mt.View for the 15/16 of June
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| 12:04 | <Gad1> well, if scotty's coming...
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| 12:05 | <pscheie> hmm, perhaps we should flip the days around, do advance stuff on Th, newcomer (basic) stuff on Fri
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| 12:06 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 12:06 | <pscheie> I like easy stuff first, tho, so that if they're interested they can come on Friday and get a REAL education
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| 12:06 | <SBNet> anyone got a dvd image of k12ltsp, i don't want 6 cds!!!!!
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| 12:06 | <Gad1> is there an evening session?
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| 12:06 | <pscheie> Thursday evening
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| 12:06 | <jammcq> pscheie: if i'm coming, the friday would still work better for me
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| 12:07 | <pscheie> good, I'd prefer to keep you on Friday.
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| 12:07 | <Gad1> maybe I can come for thurs evening into fri morning
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| 12:07 | ill have to check flights
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| 12:07 | <pscheie> Thursday evening's session will likely be at Murray's, Home of the Silver Butter Knife Steak
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| 12:07 | <Gad1> lol
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| 12:07 | <pscheie> as I promised jammcq a better steak than last year's
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| 12:08 | <jammcq> shouldn't be hard
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| 12:08 | <Gad1> steak is important
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| 12:08 | <pscheie> and Murray's is, I think, considered to be Mpls's best steak place
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| 12:08 | <jammcq> mmmm, steak
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| 12:08 | <pscheie> I'm not much of a steak person, more pizza and cheeseburgers
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| 12:09 | <jammcq> pscheie: you just haven't had the right steak yet
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| 12:09 | me and scotty can teach you a few things about steak
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| 12:09 | <pscheie> Gad1: For friday morning, we could have you speak first, so you could catch an afternoon flight out
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| 12:09 | is Detroit renowned for its steak houses?
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| 12:10 | <jammcq> nope
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| 12:10 | <pscheie> or do you just go without when you're home
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| 12:10 | <Gad1> pscheie: lemme check on flights before you plan
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| 12:10 | <jammcq> there's some decent places here
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| 12:10 | <cliebow_> SBNet:sure you dnt want to go edu??ubuntu
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| 12:10 | <SBNet> well, i like fedora a lot more than ubuntu
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| 12:10 | so k12ltsp
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| 12:10 | * ogra snuffs | |
| 12:11 | <pscheie> Gad1: actually, we'd have you speak first anyway, whether you want to or not, on Friday
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| 12:11 | <cliebow_> to each his own..for me half my servers are rh and i HAte messing with em now..
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| 12:11 | <ogra> is this the channel where the smell of fresh steak comes from ?
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| 12:11 | <cliebow_> and malt beer
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| 12:11 | <SBNet> lol
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| 12:11 | <pscheie> SBNet: I made a 'demo' liveCD to show off the apps included in K12LTSP
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| 12:11 | <pscheie> It's based on edubuntu
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| 12:11 | !
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| 12:12 | Gad1, fix your name--oops, too late ;-)
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| 12:12 | <Gadi> lol
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| 12:12 | that feels better
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| 12:13 | <pscheie> jammcq: Murray's is downtown, the college is in a north suburb, a booming part of town
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| 12:13 | there may be a better steakhouse out there (I don't live out that way)
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| 12:13 | <cliebow_> Gadi:Heh..i spent an hour figgering out why DBI was borked..only yo find my script had DB!
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| 12:14 | * Gadi hand cliebow_ a new keyboard (one upon which Coke has never spilled) | |
| 12:14 | <cliebow_> got a new set of young eyes handy?
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| 12:14 | <pscheie> ogra: do you build the edubuntu ppc livecd, or does someone else do that?
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| 12:14 | * Gadi is chewing on one right now, cliebow_ | |
| 12:15 | <Gadi> mm... young eyes....
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| 12:15 | <cliebow_> Hah!
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| 12:15 | <Gadi> pscheie: I believe ppc is a community project for ubuntu - so, I think the answer is no
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| 12:16 | <cliebow_> it at least is now..not sure how far back..
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| 12:16 | <dan__t> 'morning.
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| 12:16 | <cliebow_> ho!
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| 12:16 | <pscheie> I want to build a demo livecd of K12ltsp that will run on ppc
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| 12:16 | but don't have a mac to actually test it on
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| 12:16 | atm
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| 12:16 | <cliebow_> that could be double-tough
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| 12:16 | <dan__t> cliebow, was it you who was working on that app for VNC control and previews of clients and such?
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| 12:17 | <cliebow_> well my Teachertool is pretty ancient..cbx33 is working on student-control-panel
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| 12:17 | and robert arkeletian has fltk_teachertoll(somnething like that)
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| 12:17 | <pscheie> fl_teachertool
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| 12:18 | <dan__t> I see.
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| 12:18 | Someone was working on something, and they had screenshots etc etc.
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| 12:18 | I suppose I should get VNC working on client machines first, eh? heheh
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| 12:18 | <pscheie> Robert's looking at adding thumbprint screenshots of the desktops
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| 12:18 | <dan__t> Who was Robert?
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| 12:18 | <pscheie> Arkiletian
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| 12:19 | high school computer teacher in Vancouver
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| 12:19 | <dan__t> Very cool.
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| 12:19 | <pscheie> writes fl_teachertool
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| 12:19 | <dan__t> Ok, good.
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| 12:19 | <pscheie> it's got monitoring, remote control,
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| 12:19 | etc.
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| 12:19 | <dan__t> Well, I suppose I should dabble into VNC a bit first.
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| 12:20 | Figure out how to get it working and such.
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| 12:20 | <pscheie> he just added 'spotlight' which allows teacher to grant control over broadcast to a student, forcing student to demo rather than zone out
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| 12:20 | fl_teachertool just shows a list of users right now, no snapshots of users desktops
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| 12:21 | but I found some pieces for that part that Robert thinks he can use
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| 12:21 | he won't get to it until June though
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| 12:21 | <dan__t> No worries.
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| 12:22 | <pscheie> student-control-panel looks similar, from the screenshots I've seen
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| 12:22 | <Burgwork> dan__t: feisty will contain the new student-control-panel, now called thin-client-manager
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| 12:23 | http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=208
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| 12:26 | <cliebow_> dan__t:i dont think it will gain you too much to play with vnc..since the new system as i understand depends on vnc2swf..on client..so server side it is shockwave format
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| 12:26 | <dan__t> Interesting.
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| 12:26 | Well, uintil that time... heheh
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| 12:26 | Ok, well, using the vnc.so method, I keep getting "No password configured for VNC auth". I've verified that the password should be readable.
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| 12:27 | <cliebow_> dan__t..you using this on ubuntu..then?
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| 12:27 | <dan__t> Nosir, FC6.
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| 12:27 | I get the connection, I get the prompt
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| 12:28 | <cliebow_> you can have my Teach2 if you want it..uses x11vnc
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| 12:29 | <dan__t> I think I just need to start with the basics first here
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| 12:30 | <cliebow_> here is my writeup from a couple years ago./.
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| 12:32 | <dan__t> I found a couple on the wiki
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| 12:32 | good stuff
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| 12:33 | I think I'm fscking up something on my side.
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| 12:40 | <cliebow_> im sure we can help you with that...messing it up on your end 8~)
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| 12:46 | <dan__t> haha.
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| 12:46 | WEll, I see that my passwd file should be accessable, and readable, by the client
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| 12:46 | And it is specified properly in my config builder
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| 12:49 | <Burgwork> jammcq: what was the name of person using knoppix on the 150e again?
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| 13:05 | <SBNet> can i add ltsp support to my current os? without installing it again?
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| 13:07 | <arowanaj> hello! I'm root at the lts "partition", now I get error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot handle TLS data when I do anything. What can I do about that? =)
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| 13:16 | <dan__t> Which distribution, arowanaj ?
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| 13:16 | <arowanaj> edubuntu with tlsp 5
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| 13:17 | ltsp
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| 13:17 | <dan__t> Hrm, its a library owned by a libstdc++, but I would say that's rather odd since one would assume that all required elements come with Edubuntu
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| 13:17 | Unless you're running something which was not included with Edubuntu?
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| 13:18 | <arowanaj> nope
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| 13:19 | omg, I hate this. I see that other ppl had the same problem. But then they are russians och germans
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| 13:19 | or italan.. u name it :P
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| 13:21 | <dan__t> heheh
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| 13:21 | install libstdc++ I guess.
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| 13:24 | <arowanaj> yes, but I must do it via apt-get and apt-get cant play without libstd =/
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| 13:24 | <arowanaj> haha, this must be a joke or something =)
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| 13:24 | maybe when I come back tomorrow this problem will be sholwed
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| 13:24 | or something
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| 13:28 | omg ltsp is totally unconfigured
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| 13:29 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ogra_: r u there?
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| 13:36 | <SBNet> can i add ltsp to my current distro without reinstalling or anything?
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| 13:40 | <sbalneav> SBNet: yep!
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| 13:41 | <SBNet> well, i'm running fc5 as a virtual server, how do i add ltsp to it?
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| 13:47 | <cliebow_> SBNet: you can add nfs server tftp server..dhcp server?
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| 13:47 | <SBNet> yeah, nfs is on it, tftp is on it, dhcp just has to be installed
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| 13:48 | <cliebow_> so cant you get ltsp-utils downloaded..and run that?
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| 13:53 | <SBNet> haven't tried, the site wasn't very clear on what to do to add it to a current system
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| 13:55 | <viking-ice> Do you know what's common with aircontioners and computers
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| 13:55 | <cliebow_> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DownLoads
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| 13:55 | <viking-ice> they both stop working when you open windows
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| 13:55 | <cliebow_> they both blow..
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| 13:55 | <viking-ice> :-)
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| 13:56 | <cliebow_> at least they do this afternoon
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| 13:57 | <arowanaj> hmm, I think i solved it =)
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| 13:59 | Nah ppl, i'm going home for the night.
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| 14:00 | <dan__t> 'nite.
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| 14:00 | <gepatino> hi all, maybe this is a faq, but i'm new to this channel. Is there any plan to use vnc, freenx or something like that in ltsp5?
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| 14:01 | i mean, you already are stablishing a ssh tunnel... shouldn't this tools save some more bandwith that redirecting all X stuff?
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| 14:02 | (... than redirecting... )
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| 14:02 | <SBNet> does ltsp have to run with dual nic cards? i'm looking at setting up a system with about 20 clients, but the clients will have to boot from cdroms for ltsp and if no cd is present, boot from harddrive into windows, as this will be a test, nothing permanent
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| 14:02 | <cliebow_> no
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| 14:03 | you have control of your dhcp?
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| 14:05 | <SBNet> yeah, i'm the server admin, i need so that the clients can boot to windows by default and still get internet, and another class can come in, insert their boot cd and boot to the ltsp
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| 14:06 | <cliebow_> mine is a single nic..feeding the whole high school..
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| 14:06 | <SBNet> i'd like a single nic server in my server room with a static ip, then the people with boot cds will boot using that computers ltsp setup, so most users never know its there
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| 14:07 | <cliebow_> sure..
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| 14:07 | <cliebow_> i use alternate dhcp cause winblowes servers out mopst addresses
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| 14:09 | <SBNet> well, we have a windows 2003 server with dc, dns, and ads, and a windows nt4 for dhcp, i want to say, drop this server in my office and hand out boot cds so people that want can boot the ltsp without anyone else really knowing it's there, just to test out the technology
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| 14:11 | <cliebow_> can you globally offer a pxelinux to anyone that is asking?
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| 14:11 | ohh boot cd's built from ethereboot could be set to alternate port
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| 14:11 | so your ltspserver could serve only clients asking on portt say 1067
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| 14:12 | if your windows serve is in the way
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| 14:12 | <SBNet> yeah basically, i want to setup an ltsp server for computer science students as they need access to linux desktops and we only have one for them to use
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| 14:12 | with bootcds they can access it from any public computer on campus
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| 14:13 | brb smoke a cig
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| 14:24 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> hey..
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| 14:24 | the pen drives mp3player not recognize at edubuntu
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| 14:24 | any idea?
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| 14:24 | to especifics devices?
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| 14:25 | alguien activo?
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| 14:25 | Gadi: estas?
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| 15:51 | <dan__t> hm
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| 15:51 | what to do, what to do, with 4k domains
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| 15:53 | <envite> ??
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| 15:56 | <dan__t> Just trying to think of what to do with all these domains heh
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| 15:56 | <envite> domains?
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| 15:57 | <dan__t> domain names
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| 15:57 | <envite> I'm lost
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| 15:57 | <dan__t> I have 4,000 domain names that I need to do something with, quick.
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| 15:58 | <envite> huh
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| 15:58 | bought? administering?
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| 15:58 | <dan__t> our company owns just under 20k domains, 4k of which right now are doing absolutely nothing. they're already paid for, get mad traffic, and need to be makine me some money right now.
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| 15:58 | I'm thinking about parking them with sedo
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| 16:03 | <envite> hmmmm
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| 16:03 | put their nameservers at 0.0.0.0 at registrar
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| 16:03 | and forget them :)
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| 16:04 | <dan__t> heh.
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| 16:31 | <jamiejcumb_> Any tell me to load sound modules in feisty is it MOUDLE_01 ="sb blar" or SOUND_MODULE = "sb blar"
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| 16:31 | trying to load sound blaster modules!
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| 16:38 | <dan__t> er, I don't see any reference to SOUND_MODULE
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| 16:38 | I see MODULE_01 through MODULE_10
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| 16:38 | There are good examples in lts.conf.readme
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| 16:40 | <jamiejcumb_> I tried MODULE_01 = "sb esstype=1869 io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" That file does is not there on feisty!!!
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| 16:41 | <Fosforo> someone sugests a good thinclient with linux compatible sound card and +/- 300Mhz with 64Mb RAM ?
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| 16:41 | need to buy some
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| 16:42 | <dan__t> HP had some good thin clients, Fosforo.
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| 16:42 | I forget the product line name
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| 16:42 | <Fosforo> dan__t: hmmm thanks.. i'll research there
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| 16:42 | <dan__t> jamiejcumb_, if you did read the example, you'd see that there are no quotes.
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| 16:42 | Give that a try.
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| 16:42 | <jamiejcumb_> Running 450Mhz SSF with 128MB RAM. Would be nice to get the module working as thats is what it is there for.
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| 16:43 | <dan__t> Fosforo, http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ca/en/sm/WF04a/12132708-12133552-12133552-12133552-12133560.html
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| 16:45 | <jamiejcumb_> dan__t I'll try thanks.
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| 19:06 | <jammcq> did I miss anything ?
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| 19:09 | LOL
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| 19:09 | <jammcq> hmm, slow day
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| 19:10 | <dtrask> gtg....time to head home....I might get back on at home....cya l8tr
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| 19:10 | <jammcq> ciao
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| 19:20 | <cliebow> jammcq:hear anything from eric h re fedora muekow?
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| 19:22 | <jammcq> hmm, nope
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| 19:35 | <monteslu> when does non-muekow get deprecated?
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| 19:36 | <cliebow> monteslu: i dont think it does for quite a while..til muekow catches all the way up
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| 19:37 | <monteslu> oh, I thought it was all done since the last couple ubuntu releases. But I'm still using k12ltsp/fc6
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| 19:37 | <jammcq> nope, lots of work still needs to be done
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| 21:50 | <PMantis> Anyone know a way to watch live each process that's created? Like tcpdump for process creation?
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| 21:50 | <jammcq> hmm, never heard of anything to do that
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| 21:52 | <PMantis> My asterisk server keeps reporting "UNIX" connections connecting and disconnecting over and over.
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| 21:55 | I think that's a socket connection, not TCP... so thought I could get a process id and binary name... perhaps determine what's calling it.
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| 21:56 | <jammcq> well, you could turn on process accounting
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| 21:56 | and get a report of every process that gets created
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| 21:56 | <PMantis> Oooh
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| 21:56 | <jammcq> it's been many years since I had to use that
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| 21:57 | * PMantis googles | |
| 21:57 | <PMantis> Thanks
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| 21:58 | lol
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| 21:58 | A Linux kernel version greater than or equal to version 1.3.73 is required
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| 21:58 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 21:58 | seems doable
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| 21:58 | <PMantis> That's quite an upgrade for me though. :)
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| 22:11 | <PMantis> hmm, problem gone now... stopping, killing all related processes, restarting.
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| 22:12 | <mistik1> WoW, was it really only 1995 that we were using the 1.3.x series of kernels
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| 22:12 | <jammcq> seems like yesterday
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| 22:12 | * mistik1 has a nostalgic feeling | |
| 22:13 | <mistik1> I know
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| 22:13 | <PMantis> heh
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| 22:13 | <mistik1> jammcq: I sure dont miss some of those days though
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| 22:14 | I remember having to patch the kernel to support my NIC back then
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| 22:14 | * vagrantc didn't join till the 2.0 bandwagon | |
| 22:14 | <mistik1> Scary stuff for me a very shiney newbie at the time
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| 22:14 | <vagrantc> though my first kernel was a 1.0 or 0.9 or something.
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| 22:16 | <mistik1> Mine was 1995 Slackware 2.3 kernel 1.2.8
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| 22:17 | * PMantis remembers his first Linux experience... | |
| 22:17 | <mistik1> that was what libc-4.x and XFree86 3.1.1
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| 22:17 | <PMantis> I think it was ver 6.2 of RedHat
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| 22:17 | <mistik1> ewww
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| 22:17 | 6.2 was horrible
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| 22:18 | <PMantis> tried to dualboot ... was a bear even with the national RedHat installation helpdesk sitting next to me
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| 22:18 | I think that was '98 or '99
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| 22:18 | It just came out and they gave me a boxed set.
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| 22:19 | <mistik1> I was lucky because my first install I was not concerned in the least about dual booting I had my fill of windows by then
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| 22:19 | <PMantis> heh
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| 22:19 | <mistik1> I was ready to run anything *anything* but windows
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| 22:19 | I was running OS/2 for about 8 months or so by that time
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| 22:20 | * vagrantc remembers using fips to split a dos partition and installing some micro distro of linux that really couldn't do much of anything except boot and run bash | |
| 22:20 | <PMantis> h, I ran OS/2 for a while, too.
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| 22:20 | heheh
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| 22:20 | vagrantc, me too. :)
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| 22:20 | Except the micro linux part
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| 22:20 | <mistik1> Nostalgia time in #ltsp
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| 22:21 | <PMantis> quick, change the topic!
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| 22:21 | <mistik1> Come on jammcq Lets hear your story ;)
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| 22:21 | <PMantis> Hehe
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| 22:21 | <jammcq> heh
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| 22:21 | my first was Caldera 2.0
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| 22:21 | <PMantis> He started when Linus was still in college.
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| 22:21 | <mistik1> hehe
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| 22:21 | * vagrantc had a phase of loving linuxmall's 6-12 packs of distro CDs of varying distros | |
| 22:21 | <jammcq> well, been using Unix since 85
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| 22:22 | <mistik1> I though he helped Linus write it
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| 22:23 | <PMantis> The first linux box that I actually kept in "production" here was a redhat iptables firewall... somewhere around 2001 or 2002.
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| 22:24 | and dropped my last "production" windoze unit in 2004... you guys remember that. hehe
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| 22:24 | <mistik1> PMantis: You have come far in that time my friend
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| 22:25 | I was meeting Jim on 2000 and looking to run this thing I heard about called LTSP
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| 22:25 | *in
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| 22:25 | <PMantis> Heh
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| 22:25 | <jammcq> that was back when Linux world was fun
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| 22:25 | <mistik1> yea
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| 22:25 | * vagrantc stumbled in to freegeek in late 2000 | |
| 22:26 | <vagrantc> and i wouldn't probably be here today had i not done that
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| 22:26 | <mistik1> huray for freegeek ;)
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| 22:26 | <PMantis> mistik1, It feels like it's been forever, and a slow painful journey to become less Linux dumb... but that's all perspective. Thanks!
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| 22:26 | * vagrantc makes freegeek sound like a parent or something | |
| 22:27 | <mistik1> hehe
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| 22:27 | <PMantis> I still have lots to learn
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| 22:27 | <jammcq> so do I
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| 22:27 | every day
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| 22:28 | <mistik1> Dont we all
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| 22:28 | <PMantis> And that, my friend, is the only attitude that lets you learn.
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| 22:28 | as much as jammcq knows, he's still humble :)
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| 22:29 | <mistik1> That and the fact that Linux forces you to either learn or go away
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| 22:29 | <PMantis> he
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| 22:29 | <vagrantc> well, you can learn without the attitude, it's just more painful.
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| 22:29 | <mistik1> hehe
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| 22:29 | <PMantis> true
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| 22:29 | <mistik1> indeed
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| 22:30 | <PMantis> mistik1, oh, BTW... my first SF project: http://sourceforge.net/hours2ledger
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| 22:30 | jammcq, contributed to that.
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| 22:31 | <mistik1> Excellent!
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| 22:31 | <PMantis> Hmmmm
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| 22:31 | link bad
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| 22:32 | <mistik1> http://sourceforge.net/projects/hours2ledger/
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| 22:32 | <PMantis> Yeah, there you go.
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| 22:33 | I need to have that project reference another project... preferably include the files for download within my project.
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| 22:33 | I need to figure out SVN, too.
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| 22:34 | <mistik1> you nad me both
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| 22:34 | I was thinking of using git for my projects though
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| 22:35 | * vagrantc is a bzr junkie | |
| 22:36 | <mistik1> Lately it seems every project is using a different RCS system these days
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| 22:36 | It get rather trying
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| 22:37 | <vagrantc> that's why there's projects to sync between VCS systems ! :)
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| 22:37 | <mistik1> uGh!
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| 22:38 | That's all we need Yet another program to learn
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| 22:38 | <PMantis> heheh
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| 22:38 | <vagrantc> but yeah, the proliferation of rcs/vcs systems is getting a little crazy. it wasn't long ago *most* people just used cvs.
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| 22:38 | <mistik1> exactly
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| 22:38 | <PMantis> Search sourceforge or freshmeat for "yet another"
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| 22:38 | <mistik1> There must be 100 of them things now
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| 22:39 | Everyone wants to write thier own
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| 22:39 | <vagrantc> but i honestly can't blame people ... overall, i really like bzr, but it's missing a few features that tempt me to look at others
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| 22:39 | svn is a decent replacement to work around the shortcomings of cvs.
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| 22:39 | <mistik1> I'm just pissed that I have to maintain so many binaries just to checkup snapshots of things I need
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| 22:40 | bzr, svn, cvs, git, and on and on ..................
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| 22:40 | * vagrantc is less concerned about the binaries than the syntaxes | |
| 22:40 | <mistik1> Well that's just it
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| 22:41 | Every one means new syntax
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| 22:41 | <vagrantc> you just need a single command that does the best approximate guess of what you're trying to do :)
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| 22:42 | <PMantis> ./mb
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| 22:42 | (master binary)
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| 22:42 | <vagrantc> probably wouldn't be too hard for basic operations like "get a copy of the latest source from here"
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| 22:42 | <mistik1> lol
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| 22:43 | and PMantis starts a new project
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| 22:43 | <PMantis> ./mb checkout latest source where bugs reported are less than 50, and no bugs found in SIP
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| 22:44 | there, freeform syntax :)
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| 22:44 | * vagrantc is testing qemu-system-x86_64 to try amd64 LTSP on an i386 | |
| 22:44 | <PMantis> Whoah
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| 22:46 | <vagrantc> i've got the multi-arch debian-installer CDs with custom hooks to automatically install ltsp and stuff
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| 22:46 | <mistik1> vagrantc: The docs siad I could not use qemu on my x86_64 machine I had to use qemu-system-x86_64 and I forgot all about it this week and was running just qemu about 100 times
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| 22:47 | suffice to say the docs lied cause it works perfectly
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| 22:47 | <PMantis> LOL: http://badvista.fsf.org/
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| 22:47 | * vagrantc doesn't have any non-virtual x86_64 hardware | |
| 22:48 | * mistik1 doesn't have any non-virtual x86 hardware ;) | |
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| 23:35 | <PMantis> hey mistik1, perl monger....
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| 23:36 | Bareword "decode_base64" not allowed while "strict subs" in use
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| 23:36 | * PMantis scratches head | |
| 23:36 | <mistik1> You must mean Gadi or jammcq
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| 23:36 | <PMantis> heh
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| 23:36 | daddy went to bed
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| 23:37 | Google not helping
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| 23:38 | <mistik1> what does your code look like
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| 23:39 | <PMantis> require MIME::Base64;
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| 23:39 | MIME::Base64->import(decode_base64);
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| 23:39 | with use strict, it complains, and I don't know what a bareword is
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| 23:41 | <mistik1> With perl prolly something undefined
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| 23:41 | <PMantis> Ahhh
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| 23:41 | I added quotes
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| 23:41 | require MIME::Base64;
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| 23:41 | MIME::Base64->import(decode_base64);
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| 23:41 | Hrmm
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| 23:42 | MIME::Base64->import("decode_base64");
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| 23:42 | there
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| 23:42 | works with strict now :)
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| 23:42 | <mistik1> hehe
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| 23:48 | <mistik1> ARGH!!!!
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| 23:48 | bastards
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| 23:48 | busybox "read" sucks
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| 23:49 | Shit now I know why things were blowing up on me
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| 23:50 | * mistik1 makes note to always code with a dummy variable when using busybox read | |
| 23:50 | <PMantis> heh
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| 23:50 | At least you know why now!!
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| 23:50 | <mistik1> PMantis: type read at a prompt
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| 23:51 | <PMantis> Yeah, reads input
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| 23:51 | <mistik1> well do that in busybox it errors out
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| 23:52 | <PMantis> Ugh
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| 23:58 | <mistik1> yea
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| 23:58 | You MUST set a var with busybox
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