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Channel log from 1 December 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:42 | <astbis> Is there someone who can help with why gimp is really slow to start on ltsp (jaunty)?
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| 06:43 | I have found ia32-libs bug messages, but i am running a 32 bit system and can't install ia32-libs. Not found.
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| 06:44 | Not only is it slow to start. To open 6 small images 200k max. takes about 10-12 minutes.
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| 06:50 | Locally the same task takes only 20 seconds max. so it has to be the remote x connection.
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| 07:13 | <astbis> I found the solution myself after a long time searching. Thanks anyway.
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| 09:47 | <Gadi> !seen nubae
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| 09:47 | <ltspbot> Gadi: nubae was last seen in #ltsp 2 weeks, 0 days, 1 hour, 19 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <nubae> the script should work ok in jaunty and intrepi though
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| 09:48 | <johnny> wasn't nubae here yesterday sometime?
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| 09:49 | <alkisg> I've spoken with him this morning in #edubuntu...
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| 09:50 | <Gadi> well, if you see him, tell him to wake up his logbot
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| 09:50 | :)
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| 09:51 | <alkisg> Heh
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| 10:10 | <_UsUrPeR_> hey all. I have a question about using an LTSP server with a single NIC
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| 10:10 | I was running a 9.10 test server with dual NICs, and everything was working fine. Eth0 was internet, ETH1 was internal DHCP network
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| 10:12 | I shut down eth0, and plugged eth1 into a switch which ran independently from our network, changed /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to reflect the new IP address changes, and the client will boot
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| 10:12 | but I cannot log in. It's saying "server not responding"
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| 10:13 | I have ran ltsp-update-sshkeys, and route -n on the client shows correct routes in place
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| 10:13 | <alkisg> Did you run ltsp-update-image?
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| 10:13 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: yeah
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| 10:14 | <shawnp0wers> Anyone: What is the "proper" way to connect to a thin client server without using a thin client? It used to be VNC...
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| 10:14 | <_UsUrPeR_> shawnp0wers: ssh? :)
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| 10:14 | shawnp0wers: I use VNC still, or NX
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| 10:14 | <shawnp0wers> Is it difficult to set up VNC?
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| 10:15 | <alkisg> You just enable it from system > preferences > remote desktop
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| 10:15 | <_UsUrPeR_> shawnp0wers: not really. Before you continue, try out NX from nomachine
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| 10:15 | <alkisg> NX is much, much faster :)
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| 10:15 | <_UsUrPeR_> the setup is simple, and the demo is free
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| 10:15 | <alkisg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
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| 10:16 | <_UsUrPeR_> ^^ alkisg is correct
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| 10:16 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: "route -n on the client" ==> do you have a local terminal handy (=Alt+Ctrl+F2)? If so, try `ssh user@server`. Change "user" to a valid username on the server, but leave "server" as it is, don't replace it with anything.
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| 10:16 | See if it tells you anything else apart from prompting for a password
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| 10:17 | (e.g. "are you sure you want to connect to this server? (y/n)")
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| 10:17 | If it does, it's a key problem... if not, well, maybe you should look at ldm.log or ~/.xsession-errors
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| 10:17 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: ok. I'll check that. I'm not sure ssh is installed on the image yet. I'll need to rebuild
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| 10:18 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: ssh should definately be installed
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| 10:18 | LTSP relies on that :)
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| 10:18 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: strangely enough, I am not seeing any login attempts in /var/log/auth.log on the server when I try to log in.
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| 10:18 | <alkisg> sshD isn't necessary :)
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| 10:19 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: "ssh user@server" worked fine :P
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| 10:20 | <alkisg> That's from the local client terminal? Not a key problem, then
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| 10:20 | Switch to alt+ctrl+f7 and try to login from ldm,
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| 10:20 | and then see /var/log/ldm.log
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| 10:20 | <_UsUrPeR_> var/log/ldm.log on the client or server?
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| 10:21 | <alkisg> Client
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| 10:22 | <_UsUrPeR_> huh. it just worked. didn't even reboot the client.
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| 10:22 | <alkisg> Try again, after rebooting the client...
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| 10:22 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: when I ssh'd into the server from the client, it asked me about the sshkey...
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| 10:22 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: well, then it IS a key problem
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| 10:23 | That's the exact symptom :)
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| 10:23 | <_UsUrPeR_> flpxj
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| 10:23 | ok, something's up. I'll figure this out
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| 10:30 | <alkisg> Is there any "generic configuration editor" that I could use for an app of mine? Something like gconf-editor, but which would take a specific configuration file as a parameter?
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| 10:31 | <sbalneav> vi?
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| 10:31 | badum-bum
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| 10:31 | I know, shut up Balneaves :)
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| 10:31 | <alkisg> Muwahahaha
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| 10:32 | * alkisg thinks sbalneav has many, many, many, many years since he last seen teachers sitting on a PC :) | |
| 10:35 | <sbalneav> I've never taught. And when I went to school, teachers didn't HAVE pc's in the classroom. But I've used vi for 20+ years :)
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| 10:35 | Why not just use gconf then?
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| 10:35 | <Ahmuck> what kind of specific configuraiton file, oh ... gedit, kate
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| 10:35 | notepad++
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| 10:35 | <sbalneav> Phht. toys.
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| 10:36 | alkisg: this a gnome app?
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| 10:36 | I think the python gconf bindings are pretty good, you might be able to add gconf support with only a "few" lines (for medium sized vlues of 'few")
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| 10:41 | <alkisg> I'm not sure that solely using gconf is a good idea... e.g. how would I read a setting if X isn't up? With gconftool-2 --direct?
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| 10:42 | <alkisg> I'd prefer it if I had an .xml or .ini or .conf file, and gconf-editor would act as a front-end for that file.
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| 10:43 | E.g. one setting would be "DisableFlowControl" and it would accept a list of interfaces on which to disable flow control. I'd have to read this on if-up, where X probably isn't up yet...
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| 11:17 | <Gadi> alkisg: you can make a nice pygtk app and use ConfigParser python module with .ini files
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| 11:18 | <johnny> gsettings is the future anyways..
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| 11:20 | * Gadi always knew johnny was from the future | |
| 11:20 | * Gadi just wonders what happens when future johnny meets present johnny | |
| 11:20 | <johnny> btw.. gsettings is already here..
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| 11:20 | i just meant that people using it is the future.. for gnome apps.. as not all do yet
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| 11:20 | or gtk apps in general
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| 11:21 | <johnny> alkisg should read about gsettings and dconf/gconf
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| 11:21 | * sbalneav misses passwd formatted files | |
| 11:22 | <sbalneav> why:can't:we:just:store:our:settings:like:this?
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| 11:22 | <johnny> lol
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| 11:22 | perhaps someday we should change how /etc/passwd is formatted..
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| 11:23 | <Gadi> ah, the colonectemy format
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| 11:23 | <sbalneav> Oh, cripes. It's the only config file I can effectively deal with anymore.
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| 11:24 | You know what I'm going to put on my gravestone?
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| 11:24 | Scott Balneaves, June 18, 1968 -> blah de blah
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| 11:25 | sed -i 's/^sbalneav/d' /etc/passwd
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| 11:25 | I hope some sysadmin gets a chuckle out of it when they pass by.
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| 11:25 | <Gadi> hmm... syntax error
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| 11:25 | how ironic
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| 11:25 | :)
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| 11:26 | <sbalneav> Wait, did I do that wrong?
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| 11:26 | one sec
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| 11:26 | <Gadi> actually, no
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| 11:26 | ur good
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| 11:26 | jk
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| 11:27 | I hope to see an #!/bin/sh in the upper-left corner ;)
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| 11:27 | actually, yeah - no s
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| 11:27 | <sbalneav> No, I did do it wrong.
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| 11:27 | <Gadi> :)
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| 11:27 | lol
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| 11:27 | <sbalneav> yeah, no s
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| 11:27 | I'll have to do a shell prompt in front of it:
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| 11:27 | <Gadi> imagine going to ur grave with a syntax error hanging over you
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| 11:28 | talk about purgatory
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| 11:28 | ;)
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| 11:28 | <sbalneav> god# sed -i '/^sbalneav/d' /etc/passwd
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| 11:28 | There we go.
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| 11:28 | <Gadi> of course, god's not one to edit his passwd file by hand
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| 11:29 | <Gadi> s/god/God/
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| 11:29 | :)
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| 11:29 | there's an agnel for that: Shelliel
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| 11:29 | his friends call him Shelly
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| 11:29 | <sbalneav> lol
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| 11:32 | <Gadi> otavio: hey there
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| 11:32 | <otavio> Gadi: hello
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| 11:32 | <Gadi> otavio: question for you
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| 11:32 | I noticed you're coding for a new project "FreeRDP"
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| 11:32 | whats the story there?
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| 11:35 | <otavio> Gadi: well; rdesktop upstream sucks
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| 11:35 | Gadi: it is quite difficult to push patches over there
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| 11:35 | Gadi: I had few patches around for a while and couldn't get they commited up to now
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| 11:36 | <Gadi> I figured it must be something like that
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| 11:36 | <otavio> Gadi: so when I found this project I started to talk to them and convert my patches for it
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| 11:36 | Gadi: and then I'm focosing on it now
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| 11:36 | <Gadi> still sucks that it had to fork
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| 11:36 | did the fork put pressure on the upstream rdesktop guys?
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| 11:36 | <otavio> Gadi: not that bad; because it give us freedom
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| 11:36 | <Gadi> or do they not care?
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| 11:37 | <otavio> Gadi: they don't care or have noticed it yet
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| 11:37 | Gadi: and I won't come back to work with them from now on since freerdp guys are much nicer to play with
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| 11:37 | * Gadi nods - how big is the team? | |
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| 13:05 | <_UsUrPeR_> has anybody tried out F12 with ltsp?
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| 13:05 | * sbalneav presses F12 key | |
| 13:05 | <sbalneav> 4~
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| 13:05 | <_UsUrPeR_> -_-
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| 13:05 | <sbalneav> I get a 4~ when I do that
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| 13:06 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok, so I am using Fedora 12, and clients are super-duper suhlow
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| 13:06 | <sbalneav> Alt-F12 creates a new tomboy note!
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| 13:06 | <_UsUrPeR_> mouse refresh/keyboard response is awful
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| 13:06 | <sbalneav> LDM_DIRECTX=True?
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| 13:07 | IIRC, Fedora sets up LTSP though some kind of bridge, doesn't it?
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| 13:07 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 13:07 | <_UsUrPeR_> ldm_directx = yes
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| 13:07 | <sbalneav> all lowercase?
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| 13:08 | Because that would be wrong :)
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| 13:08 | <_UsUrPeR_> LDM_DIRECTX=yes
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| 13:08 | hmm >_>
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| 13:08 | is that the case? is it true or yes?
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| 13:08 | <sbalneav> What's the DISPLAY environment variable look like on the thin client in an xterm?
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| 13:09 | True, true, Yes, yes are all valid
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| 13:09 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: gimme a moment. booting client.
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| 13:09 | (takes forever)
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| 13:10 | <sbalneav> What kind of network connection between the two? Smart switch?
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| 13:10 | <_UsUrPeR_> direct link gigabit ports.
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| 13:10 | no switch, no nothing
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| 13:11 | <sbalneav> ifconfig ethx give any errors?
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| 13:11 | where x = ltsp interface #
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| 13:13 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav, finally booted :P
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| 13:13 | err ldm
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| 13:14 | <sbalneav> So even booting's slow?
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| 13:14 | <_UsUrPeR_> eth1 is being used with the bridge on fedora 12
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| 13:14 | <sbalneav> Or just LDM's slow to come up?
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| 13:14 | <_UsUrPeR_> booting slow, LDM is slow, mouse refresh is slow. All around slow
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| 13:15 | <sbalneav> I'm unsure as to why the bridge is needed/added.
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| 13:15 | I'm sure warren had a good reason for it.
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| 13:15 | <_UsUrPeR_> hmm
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| 13:15 | <sbalneav> What kind of thin client is it?
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| 13:15 | <_UsUrPeR_> DLW 1520 atom-based
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| 13:16 | <alkisg> Does ethtool report speed=1000?
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| 13:16 | <_UsUrPeR_> this is client independant
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| 13:16 | <sbalneav> looking at it with mii-tool might be handy too
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| 13:16 | root@3jane:~# mii-tool eth0
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| 13:16 | eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok
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| 13:17 | A point of karma for anyone who know what my machine name means.
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| 13:18 | <alkisg> Yucc, pc name starting with a digit? :P
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| 13:18 | <sbalneav> no peeking at google
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| 13:18 | yeah, it's just a desktop, so I don't care :)
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| 13:18 | it's my "lucid testing box"
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| 13:18 | <alkisg> Well if it means something with "3" and "jane" I don't wanna know :D
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| 13:19 | <sbalneav> Nope, nothing dirty
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| 13:21 | Oh c'mon
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| 13:21 | ok, here's a hint
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| 13:21 | science fiction
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| 13:22 | <alkisg> Hmmm maybe that movie was old when we were born? :P :D :D
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| 13:22 | * alkisg can't stand the suspense peeks at google... | |
| 13:22 | <alkisg> *and
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| 13:23 | <_UsUrPeR_> sorry about the delay
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| 13:23 | <sbalneav> alkisg: ...and?
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| 13:23 | any guesses? :)
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| 13:24 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok, ethtool for eth0 on the client shows 100Mb/s full duplex
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| 13:24 | <alkisg> Uhm, if it's neuromancer, I've never heard of it :(
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| 13:24 | _UsUrPeR_: didn't you say it's full gigabit?
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| 13:24 | <_UsUrPeR_> the server is 100Mb/s, client is 1000Mb/s
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| 13:24 | gigabit allows for automatic switching
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| 13:25 | err crossover
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| 13:25 | whatever :)
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| 13:25 | <sbalneav> Ding Ding Ding.
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| 13:25 | Lady 3Jane Tessier-Ashpool
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| 13:25 | alkisg: You *REALLY* need to read that book. I read it when it first came out in '84
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| 13:25 | I make a point of re-reading it every couple of years or so.
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| 13:26 | It's a fantastic book.
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| 13:26 | <alkisg> Is it just fiction? Or comedy/fiction?
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| 13:26 | <johnny> fiction
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| 13:26 | no comedy..
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| 13:26 | not at all
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| 13:26 | you should still read it tho
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| 13:26 | <sbalneav> Science fiction. It's the book that basically created the cyberpunk genre of science fiction.
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| 13:26 | <johnny> i just reread it 2 months ago
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| 13:27 | <sbalneav> johnny: Great book, eh?
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| 13:27 | What blows me away is it was Gibson's first novel.
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| 13:27 | <alkisg> Well, two of my most trusted #ltsp fellows propose this book, so I'll put that first on my to-read list :) (short as it is :D)
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| 13:27 | <johnny> sbalneav, i have the difference engine right now
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| 13:27 | never read it before
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| 13:27 | <sbalneav> It's like hitting a baseball to the moon your first time ever at bat.
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| 13:28 | <johnny> got it for free
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| 13:28 | <sbalneav> I've got all Gibsons books.
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| 13:28 | <johnny> so i'm reading it
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| 13:28 | i also have a stephenson book too
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| 13:28 | <sbalneav> Snow Crash?
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| 13:28 | <johnny> actually.. it's my gfs
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| 13:28 | yes
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| 13:28 | <sbalneav> Good book too.
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| 13:28 | <johnny> i haven't yet read mona lisa overdrive
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| 13:28 | or finished count zero
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| 13:29 | <sbalneav> That's the third in the sprawl trilogy.
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| 13:29 | <johnny> my gf's brother owns it..
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| 13:29 | <sbalneav> finish count zero first.
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| 13:29 | <johnny> yeah.. i'll try to borrow it from her
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| 13:29 | spook country is here too
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| 13:29 | gf bought it on her trip from seattle
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| 13:29 | <sbalneav> _UsUrPeR_: so, what's the $DISPLAY var like?
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| 13:30 | <johnny> sbalneav, i'd like to read something similiar.. but written more recently...
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| 13:30 | so much as changed since then
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| 13:31 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: $display is retrieved through an ltsp-localapps xterm?
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| 13:31 | is that correct?
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| 13:31 | <sbalneav> No
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| 13:31 | Just a regular xterm
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| 13:31 | johnny: Pick up Cryptonomicon by Stphenson
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| 13:31 | <_UsUrPeR_> echo $DISPLAY doesn't show anything
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| 13:32 | <sbalneav> buh?
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| 13:32 | <johnny> buh? buh
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| 13:32 | <sbalneav> that's impossible :)
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| 13:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> ORLY?
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| 13:32 | ok, so has anybody else in here tried out FC12 and ltsp? :)
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| 13:32 | <sbalneav> johnny: any sci-fi book that has snippets of perl in it's pretty cool.
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| 13:33 | <_UsUrPeR_> seriously, this is weird
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| 13:33 | <shawnp0wers> _UsUrPeR_ -- I get that when I'm ssh'd into a server, ie, no $DISPLAY variable
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| 13:33 | <sbalneav> _UsUrPeR_: do an "env | grep DISPLAY"
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| 13:34 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: on the client, in screen_02, as root, typing "env |grep -i DISPLAY" shows me nothing
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| 13:34 | env shows a lot of stuff, but no display info
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| 13:34 | <johnny> huh..
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| 13:34 | it won't be set there
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| 13:35 | need an xterm
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| 13:35 | in the actual thin client session
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| 13:35 | <sbalneav> _UsUrPeR_: I said, in a regular X term
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| 13:35 | <_UsUrPeR_> flpxj
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| 13:35 | ok, this is taking forever to start a gnome X session.
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| 13:35 | <sbalneav> apps->accessories->terminal
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| 13:36 | πλουτοκρατία
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| 13:36 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: gimme a moment. this is taking forever :P
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| 13:36 | <sbalneav> I got the rest of my life, no worries :)
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| 13:37 | After I'm dead, you're on your own, though :)
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| 13:40 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok, I just navigated the applications menu to terminal
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| 13:41 | and let go of the left mouse button
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| 13:41 | sbalneav: are you dead yet? :)
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| 13:41 | terminal may/may not open...
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| 13:42 | <sbalneav> "This was a triumph, I'm making a note here, *huge success*"
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| 13:42 | Sorry, portals joke
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| 13:42 | <_UsUrPeR_> that was a good game.
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| 13:42 | <sbalneav> I'm just full of in jokes and references today :)
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| 13:43 | Best game I've played in years.
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| 13:43 | <_UsUrPeR_> I really like Half-Life 2's story line
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| 13:43 | <sbalneav> My kids like to play shooters like halo, and Modern Warfare 2 or whatever
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| 13:43 | <_UsUrPeR_> I liked HL1 more though
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| 13:44 | guh. halo is pap in comparison :)
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| 13:44 | <sbalneav> I like shooting holes in ceilings and floors
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| 13:44 | and falling forever :)
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| 13:45 | <_UsUrPeR_> running a top on the client is showing .3% cpu usage
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| 13:46 | up! looks like the terminal session may be starting :D
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| 13:47 | favorite part of that game is the computer's voice acting.
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| 13:48 | <sbalneav> "So you found me. But despite all your violent behaviour, the only thing you've managed to break so far... is my heart"
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| 13:48 | <_UsUrPeR_> also, that part where the computer wants to make sure that you can survive the blast furnace killed me about 3 times before I figured out that I had not yet won the game
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| 13:49 | <sbalneav> "First you will be baked, and then there will be cake."
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| 13:49 | <shawnp0wers> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF_IBrHsuzA
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| 13:49 | :D
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| 13:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> you have an eerie memory of verbatim content from this game
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| 13:50 | up! wait
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| 13:50 | <sbalneav> yeah, that game had some of the darkest humour in it I've ever seen. For a game in which you're essentially running around in an abandoned facility with nothing but a disembodied voice, it was REALLY good"
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| 13:50 | I've played though it about 6 times.
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| 13:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok, I got the "env |grep -i display"
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| 13:50 | it returned "DISPLAY=172.31.100.100:1.0"
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| 13:51 | <sbalneav> ok, so LDM_DIRECTX=True IS set.
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| 13:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> yes
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| 13:51 | <sbalneav> Can you ssh -X from another full fledged desktop, and try starting gnome-session?
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| 13:53 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok, so as an example: from my server, I will ssh -X 172.31.100.100 (client IP) and try to run gnome-session?
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| 13:54 | oh, you mean to the server
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| 13:54 | * _UsUrPeR_ is a little slow | |
| 13:56 | <_UsUrPeR_> yeah, this works
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| 13:56 | sbalneav: this works, but it's really really weird
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| 14:01 | <sbalneav> How's the speed on that?
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| 14:01 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: just fine. can open terminals, everything works fine.
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| 14:02 | <_UsUrPeR_> I will put "fine" in again
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| 14:02 | (fine)
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| 14:02 | god, this fc12 thing is awful
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| 14:06 | <alkisg> All this fuss about the ssh keys... :-/
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| 14:07 | <_UsUrPeR_> ssh keys?
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| 14:08 | <alkisg> Yeah this whole bridging thing is about security, I guess..
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| 14:08 | To be able to function without using ltsp-update-sshkeys all the time
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| 14:08 | <_UsUrPeR_> oh. huh.
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| 14:08 | <alkisg> (when the server IP changes, on the live dvd etc)
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| 14:09 | <_UsUrPeR_> I don't mind having a bridge instead of a NIC...
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| 14:09 | FC11 operated the same way
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| 14:09 | could have sworn that they were doing away with the bridges though
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| 14:10 | <alkisg> I don't know... I've seen several people coming here and asking for help about their bridge/dhcp/tftp etc setup, and noone could help :-/
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| 14:11 | <_UsUrPeR_> forgot to mention, this is running on a VMware server
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| 14:11 | though that has never really made much of a difference in the past for LTSP
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| 14:13 | <alkisg> italc does have problems when the server runs in LTSP, because the x11vnc timing autodetection gets nuts
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| 14:13 | *when the server runs in vmware
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| 14:14 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: is italc is running on FC12 by default?
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| 14:14 | <alkisg> I don't know, I haven't seen FC12 at all
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| 14:14 | I was talking in general, about problems when the server is in vmware...
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| 14:17 | <sbalneav> _UsUrPeR_: Is the SERVER on vmware, or the client on vmware, or both?
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| 14:19 | <_UsUrPeR_> the server only. The client is one of ours
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| 17:31 | <ftherese> what are thin clients called in french?
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| 17:32 | I am trying to figure out what a good deal on thin client hardware would look like...
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| 17:41 | <stgraber> client légers
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| 19:21 | <stgraber> anything in the pipeline for ldm-trunk or ltsp-trunk ?
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| 19:22 | last release is quite broken, I didn't want to retag too soon but considering we don't seem to have any active devlopment just yet, I'll tag in a few mins in order to get something working in Lucid and in my PPA
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| 20:46 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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