IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 18 June 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 05:19 | <Pecker> Im trying to install ltsp client on a separate /opt partition in ubuntu 10.04, but it fails with a permission denied message
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| 05:21 | <muppis> Shoudl be drwxr-xr-x
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| 05:22 | <Pecker> for which foldeR?
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| 05:22 | <muppis> For /opt
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| 05:23 | <Pecker> hmm its set to drwxrwxrwx
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| 05:23 | woudl that cause problems?
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| 05:23 | <muppis> Not really.
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| 05:23 | Are you building as root?
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| 05:24 | <Pecker> tried sudo and sudo su, same difference
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| 05:24 | <alkisg> What's the exact command and error message?
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| 05:24 | <muppis> Put them to pastebin.
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| 05:24 | <Pecker> i posted in the ubuntu forums here:
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| 05:24 | http://http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12035693
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| 05:25 | ingore the idiot replyer on there right now who cant give a straight answer
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| 05:26 | <alkisg> E: Cannot install into target '/opt/ltsp/i386' mounted with noexec or nodev
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| 05:26 | Mount your partition without specifying noexec/nodev
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| 05:28 | <Pecker> fstab specifices 'user,defaults' for the /opt partition
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| 05:28 | specifies*
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| 05:28 | <alkisg> user implies nodev etc
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| 05:28 | And, is it ext4?
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| 05:28 | <Pecker> yeah ext4
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| 05:28 | <alkisg> OK, remove the user part then
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| 05:32 | <Pecker> ok
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| 05:32 | ah u quit
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| 06:19 | <Hyperbyte> Good morning. :)
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| 06:31 | <alkisg> Καλημέρα
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| 06:32 | <Hyperbyte> ?
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| 06:32 | What? :P
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| 06:33 | <alkisg> Goedemorgen :)
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| 06:33 | <Hyperbyte> Oh, you were writing Greek. :P It shows properly on the IRC logs. :)
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| 06:33 | <- non UTF-8 terminal. :)
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| 06:33 | <alkisg> Your IRC client / terminal sucks
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| 06:33 | <Hyperbyte> 08:31 <alkisg> ????????
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| 06:33 | <alkisg> :D
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| 06:33 | <Hyperbyte> Hahahahahah
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| 06:33 | <muppis> Hyperbyte, upgrade yourself. :D
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| 06:33 | <Hyperbyte> Well I have recently switched IRC clients
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| 06:34 | Talk Greek one more time?
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| 06:35 | <alkisg> Ο Hyperbyte είναι δουλευταράς :D
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| 06:35 | <muppis> Whoa. Google Translator translates it correctly.
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| 06:35 | <Hyperbyte> Hah...
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| 06:35 | <alkisg> (now you need to go figure out what I said for you :P)
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| 06:35 | <Hyperbyte> That shows... garbled admittedly, but it does show.
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| 06:36 | alkisg, Google translate doesn't take with that 2nd word. I give up.
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| 06:36 | I bet it's something mean. :'(
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| 06:37 | <alkisg> Hehe nah I said you're a hard working fellow
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| 06:37 | <Hyperbyte> Awwwe
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| 06:37 | * Hyperbyte hugs alkisg | |
| 06:37 | <alkisg> 3 jobs? You make all Greeks seem lazy... :D
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| 06:37 | <Hyperbyte> And my own company! ;-)
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| 06:37 | But I've decided it's wise for me not to do my own administration.
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| 06:40 | <muppis> This could be easy..
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| 06:40 | * muppis | |
| 06:40 | <alkisg> muppis: nope, not UTF8 capable
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| 06:40 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, huh?
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| 06:40 | <alkisg> (09:40:14 πμ) ***muppis on laiska ja hyv? jos p?rj?? yhdess? ty?paikassa.
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| 06:41 | Those are not utf8 chars
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| 06:41 | <Hyperbyte> Hah
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| 06:41 | For me it shows
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| 06:41 | Your terminal and your IRC client suck.
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| 06:41 | <alkisg> Yes because you're using a fallback charset
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| 06:41 | <Hyperbyte> :P
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| 06:41 | <muppis> Then it's ISO-8859-15
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| 06:41 | <alkisg> Right, which isn't right for IRC :)
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| 06:41 | <Hyperbyte> ISO-8859 is far superiour to UTF-8.
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| 06:42 | <muppis> My terminal is set to UTF-8.
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| 06:42 | <Hyperbyte> muppis, your terminal and IRC client both need to set to it.
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| 06:42 | <alkisg> True... I'll be using that from now on then, and I'll only be talking in Greek as it's superior from English... since more than 10.000 english word are greek, right? :D
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| 06:42 | <Hyperbyte> muppis, /set term_charset utf-8
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| 06:42 | <muppis> 09:42 term_charset = UTF-8
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| 06:43 | Is already.
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| 06:43 | <Hyperbyte> muppis, are you running your IRC client inside screen?
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| 06:43 | <muppis> Yeah.
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| 06:43 | <Hyperbyte> Then you need to start screen with -U parameter most likely
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| 06:44 | So screen needs to be UTF-8, your terminal needs to be UTF-8 and then your IRC client can be UTF-8
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| 06:44 | * Hyperbyte sighs.... | |
| 06:45 | <Hyperbyte> UTF-H8. :D
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| 06:45 | <muppis> Hmph. Screen is the problem.
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| 06:45 | <Hyperbyte> LOL!
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| 06:45 | WTF-8. :-D
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| 06:45 | <Hyperbyte> Hahahahah
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| 06:45 | <alkisg> Haha
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| 06:46 | <muppis> | |
| 06:46 | Does it work now?
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| 06:46 | <alkisg> Nope
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| 06:47 | <Hyperbyte> It works for me muppy!
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| 06:47 | I bet alkisg's IRC client sucks.
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| 06:47 | <muppis> :D
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| 06:47 | <alkisg> Your irc logs too then :D
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| 06:47 | http://irclogs.ltsp.org/
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| 06:48 | <Hyperbyte> "Purple IRC"... what kind of IRC client is that. :|
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| 06:48 | alkisg, I'll fix the IRC logs to exclude Greek and Norwegian as soon as possible. :P
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| 06:49 | <alkisg> Hehehe, I hope it's right after you fix the scrollable banner :P
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| 06:49 | <alkisg> Purple IRC is way better than Pink IRC
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| 06:50 | <muppis> | |
| 06:50 | <alkisg> (09:50:00 πμ) muppis: How about now? ??
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| 06:50 | Try without screen first... through ssh or something
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| 06:50 | <muppis> | |
| 06:51 | No?
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| 06:51 | <alkisg> Nope
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| 06:51 | <muppis> Sucks.
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| 06:53 | <muppis> | |
| 06:53 | <alkisg> nah
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| 06:54 | <Hyperbyte> muppis, your IRC client is still set to UTF-8? Because you need to /save settings after you change them
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| 06:54 | <muppis> I'll give. You wouldn't understand it anyway, if I write finnish here. :D
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| 06:54 | Hyperbyte, yes, it's set.
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| 06:55 | <Hyperbyte> Let's all speak our native languages for a day. See what happens.
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| 06:55 | <alkisg> ...σίγουρα;
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| 06:55 | ΟΚ, μέσα, τι κάνεις Hyperbyte;
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| 06:55 | <Hyperbyte> Wat? Ik begrijp er niks van....
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| 06:56 | <alkisg> Τον πύργο της Βαβέλ τον έχεις ακούσει; :D
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| 06:56 | <Hyperbyte> Heeeey - het is gestopt met regenen, eindelijk. Ik ga naar m'n werk!
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| 06:57 | Bye. :P
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| 06:57 | <muppis> | |
| 06:58 | <Mava> niin, voihan sen noinkin sanoo.. mutta hauskalta tää kyllä näyttää
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| 06:59 | <muppis> :D
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| 06:59 | <alkisg> ^ that one by Mava was right :)
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| 07:14 | <knipwim> goeiemorgen dan gasten :)
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| 07:18 | <muppis> :D
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| 07:25 | <knipwim> just awake, or still awake?
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| 07:41 | <muppis> knipwim, woke up 3 hrs ago, but slept less than 6h..
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| 08:38 | <Hyperbyte> Hey hey hey Gavin!
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| 10:26 | <Da-Geek> Hey Hyperbyte, been a long time since I have been around... mega Busy, so shouldn't complain I guess.
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| 11:02 | <Hyperbyte> How's work?
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| 13:50 | <fuzai> Is there an easy way to execute a couple of commands when a user logs into their session. Google Chromes SingletonLock in local apps mode is killing me.
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| 13:57 | <Hyperbyte> fuzai, sure. You can put .desktop files in /etc/xdg/autostart
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| 16:15 | <fuzai> Is there an easy way to disable the shutdown / reboot from showing up in the gnome menus in the top right?
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| 17:03 | <Hyperbyte> fuzai: for me they never appeared... does the user you're logged in with have permission to shut down the machine?
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| 17:03 | Because if they do, it makes sense the option is there.
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| 17:04 | <fuzai> Yea i guess they would, i just made an /ssbin and put shutdown power off and reboot in there
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| 17:04 | i just don't want to accidentally click shutdown trying for log out
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| 17:05 | <alkisg> fuzai: why, if they click on it they can reboot/shutdown the server? Which DE are you using?!
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| 17:05 | <Hyperbyte> fuzai: you're messing up your system. Don't do ugly hacks like removing executables.
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| 17:06 | <fuzai> I'd rather avoid the accident of killing 50+ sessions and disable it so IF I NEED to reboot or shutdown it can be done from the command line properly instead of accidentally by a mis click
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| 17:06 | <Hyperbyte> The next time you do an update apt-get will put them right back.
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| 17:06 | <fuzai> i moved it i didn't remove it
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| 17:06 | <Hyperbyte> fuzai: regardless, don't do ugly hacks like that.
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| 17:06 | <fuzai> Then make it easy to disable menu options
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| 17:06 | <Hyperbyte> Only administrators on your system should have the power to shut down the machine.
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| 17:06 | <alkisg> fuzai: first, the clients can't reboot the server if they click on that menus
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| 17:07 | <fuzai> thats not the point
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| 17:07 | <alkisg> fuzai: second, if you move a file, it is replaced on the next package update
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| 17:07 | <Hyperbyte> If you're constantly logged in as administrator, you're doing it wrong.
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| 17:07 | <fuzai> what happens when an admin mis clicks
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| 17:07 | <Hyperbyte> fuzai, that is -exactly- the point!
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| 17:07 | <fuzai> were not logged in as root
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| 17:07 | were never logged in as root
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| 17:07 | <alkisg> fuzai: the admin can't reboot the server if he's on a thin/fat client
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| 17:07 | <fuzai> but someone with sudo power has those options show up
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| 17:07 | <alkisg> (08:07:33 μμ) fuzai: but someone with sudo power has those options show up => again, he can't
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| 17:07 | Try it
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| 17:08 | (unless if you're using some weird DE)
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| 17:08 | <fuzai> edubuntu
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| 17:08 | 12.04
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| 17:09 | <alkisg> Right, so, those menus have no effect even for sudoers
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| 17:11 | <fuzai> well now i get to march across the office, something worked and now the machine is off
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| 17:14 | <Hyperbyte> Luckily you're not testing in production environment, so you don't cause serious trouble with this.
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| 17:14 | I have a question. You moved the 'shutdown' command to a different dir - does the 'Shutdown' option also disappear from the Gnome menu when you do this?
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| 17:16 | <fuzai> no it didn't
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| 17:17 | i tried first to hack it from the gconf stuff i found online
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| 17:17 | <Hyperbyte> In a terminal, type 'groups <user who can shutdown>'
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| 17:17 | Which groups is the user in?
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| 17:17 | <fuzai> http://askubuntu.com/questions/93542/how-to-disable-shutdown-reboot-suspend-hibernate
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| 17:18 | one second, it takes a moment to come back online with the raid arrayt
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| 17:18 | array
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| 17:18 | <Hyperbyte> Fact is, regular users don't have shutdown in the menu, because they don't have access to shut down the server.
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| 17:18 | So you've done -something- which makes shutdown available to certain users. I'm curious to know what that is.
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| 17:18 | <fuzai> this is a a super user, my login
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| 17:19 | i haven't even looked at a different login yet
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| 17:19 | well i have, just not recently
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| 17:19 | <Hyperbyte> Are you using Gnome classic/fallback?
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| 17:19 | <fuzai> yep
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| 17:19 | <alkisg> fuzai: are you logged in on the server and on a thin client with the same user at the same time?
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| 17:19 | <fuzai> yes i was at that moment
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| 17:19 | i was ssh'd in and logged in one time
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| 17:19 | <alkisg> Gnome doesn't support that
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| 17:20 | <fuzai> that doesn't make much sense
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| 17:20 | <alkisg> And firefox and others
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| 17:20 | True, but convince them otherwise :)
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| 17:20 | <fuzai> you are saying i can't login though ssh to my ltsp server now?
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| 17:20 | <alkisg> Not ssh, graphically
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| 17:20 | With gnome
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| 17:20 | twice
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| 17:20 | <fuzai> oh no not visually
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| 17:20 | <alkisg> OK
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| 17:20 | <fuzai> no no no i see what you mean
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| 17:20 | the server is headless
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| 17:21 | <alkisg> OK let me try to reproduce it...
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| 17:21 | <fuzai> it's coming up right now
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| 17:21 | i'm going to try it again, i didn't logout after i moved those things around
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| 17:22 | <alkisg> Gnome fallback with a sudo user logged in on a thin client, selecting Shut down => just logs out the thin client.
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| 17:22 | Hmm I wonder if it makes a difference that I'm logged in on the server as a different user with gnome
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| 17:23 | <fuzai> oh hang on i've got to unlock the bde
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| 17:23 | brb
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| 17:23 | <alkisg> fuzai: anyway if you find a way to reproduce it, file a bug about it
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| 17:23 | <fuzai> will do
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| 17:23 | <alkisg> As it should then be solved for all LTSP users
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