IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 18 July 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 07:22 | <kim_> i have tried ltsp kiosk mode and done all troubleshooting ....it is not working
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| 07:22 | no body is having the solution
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| 07:22 | how to work with kiosk mode
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| 07:43 | <Hyperbyte> Good morning kim_. :)
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| 07:44 | <kim_> good morning....
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| 07:44 | <Hyperbyte> How are you?
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| 07:44 | <kim_> dear i stuck with ltsp kiosk....done everything
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| 07:44 | perfect and u
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| 07:44 | nothing is working....
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| 07:44 | <Hyperbyte> I'm good! A bit wet, but that's what you get for living in a country where there's lots of rain
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| 07:45 | Last time I remember you had a problem with DHCP, correct?
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| 07:45 | Did you get that fixed?
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| 07:45 | <kim_> here also raining\\
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| 07:45 | yes ...my client is booting but not getting firefox instead getting desktop
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| 07:46 | <Hyperbyte> Ah, so basically everything is working, except Kiosk?
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| 07:46 | <kim_> yes
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| 07:47 | <Hyperbyte> Can you post your /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf on pastebin?
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| 07:49 | <kim_> [Default]
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| 07:49 | <kim_> screen_07 = kiosk
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| 07:49 | only two lines are there
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| 07:52 | Hyberbyte : u got lts.conf
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| 07:53 | <Hyperbyte> Okay, do you know how to open a local xterm on the client?
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| 07:53 | !localxterm | echo kim_
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| 07:53 | <ltsp> kim_ localxterm: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client..
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| 07:54 | <Hyperbyte> From there, run 'getltscfg -a' and post the output on pastebin
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| 07:55 | <kim_> u mean i need to boot my client .......then run this command on client side or server side
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| 07:58 | <Hyperbyte> You need to do what 'ltsp' just said
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| 07:58 | Boot a thin client, run 'ltsp-localapps xterm' in a terminal and in the xterm that opens, run 'getltscfg -a'
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| 08:00 | <kim_> but when i type getltscfg -a ....it is showing ltsp-client -core is not installed
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| 08:00 | do i need to install
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| 08:00 | <Hyperbyte> No!
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| 08:01 | You are running the command on the server, you need to run it on the client.
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| 08:01 | <Hyperbyte> Please follow exactly what I just said
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| 08:01 | ncd209:58 <Hyperbyte> Boot a thin client, run 'ltsp-localapps xterm' in a terminal and in the xterm that opens, run 'getltscfg -a'
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| 08:10 | Any luck?
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| 08:16 | <Hyperbyte> Hey Alkis. :)
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| 08:16 | <alkisg> Good morning Hyperbyte, #ltspers
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| 08:17 | <Hyperbyte> How was your weekend?
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| 08:17 | * alkisg completed the "guest session" with pam_exec, just by deleting all files on login. Works fine on thin + fat clients with no RAM overhead | |
| 08:18 | <alkisg> The weekend was great, i hope the rest of the week is great too :)
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| 08:18 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/646298/
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| 08:18 | <Hyperbyte> Interesting stuff... will need to revise. :)
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| 08:48 | <Hyperbyte> Are options in lts.conf case sensitive? For example, screen_07 instead of SCREEN_07?
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| 09:03 | <alkisg> Btw I'm sure that instead of using pam, one would use the ldm hooks to clear the directory, making guest sessions a one-liner :) I just wanted a non-ltsp specific method
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| 09:15 | <kim_> Hyperbyte : i have done that what u said....but when i do screen_07 = kiosk in lts.conf and boot client ...it will not boot and stop at boot screen
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| 09:16 | but when i do with screen_02 = shell , it will boot ...give command shell
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| 09:16 | <Hyperbyte> Okay
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| 09:16 | That's good!
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| 09:16 | <kim_> tell me what i do
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| 09:16 | kiosk mode is creating a problem
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| 09:16 | <Hyperbyte> What do you mean with "stop at boot screen"?
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| 09:16 | Does it give some error message?
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| 09:17 | <kim_> i mean when i put screen_07 = kiosk in lts.conf and boot my client
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| 09:17 | it will not boot in desktop mode....even it shows only boot screen ....and remains there only
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| 09:18 | <Hyperbyte> Does it show white screen with "Ubuntu" letters?
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| 09:19 | <kim_> when we boot ubuntu desktop what it will show....same thing it is showing
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| 09:19 | loading page
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| 09:21 | <Hyperbyte> Okay. Edit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 09:21 | And remove 'quiet splash' from there
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| 09:21 | It'll show a whole lot of messages during boot, see if it shows any error when it stops loading.
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| 09:25 | <kim_> k
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| 09:26 | only ' quite splash ' i need to remove from line
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| 09:26 | right
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| 09:26 | <Hyperbyte> quiet splash, yes.
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| 09:26 | Nothing else.
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| 09:27 | <kim_> =shud i put screen_07 = kiosk in lts.conf again then check right
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| 09:27 | <Hyperbyte> Yep.
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| 09:52 | <Hyperbyte> Bonjour layus. :)
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| 09:55 | <kim_> Hyperbyte : i have done that,,,,,no error is coming ...not only black screen is coming
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| 09:55 | i have also checked syslog
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| 09:56 | http://pastebin.com/zTfJUwN3
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| 09:56 | this is syslog ....check and let me know what else i can do
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| 09:59 | Hyperbyte : are you there ?
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| 10:00 | <Hyperbyte> kim_, I'm here, but it's lunchtime... so on and off
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| 10:01 | <kim_> k let me know if u free ...i have give u details what i did here
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| 10:01 | <Hyperbyte> kim_, is this the syslog on the server or on the client?
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| 10:02 | I already know by the way, this is from the server...
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| 10:02 | Only the syslog from the client would be useful. But you do see lots of other messages during boot now, right? And no loading screen?
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| 10:03 | <kim_> no only black screen is coming nothing else dear
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| 10:03 | <Hyperbyte> Stop calling me dear.
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| 10:05 | <kim_> k
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| 10:05 | <Hyperbyte> You don't see -any- messages on the client? Nothing like... "Starting device node and kernel event manager" ?
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| 10:05 | <kim_> no nothing
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| 10:05 | <Hyperbyte> Pastebin /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 10:06 | <kim_> k
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| 10:06 | after changing in this file do i need to update image
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| 10:07 | or i can directly boot client
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| 10:10 | <Hyperbyte> You only need to update the image for anything you change in /opt/ltsp/
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| 10:30 | <kim_> Hyperbyte : i have checked that....it is showing x: /tmp/.X11-unix has suspicious ownership (not root:root) aborting
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| 10:31 | Hyperbyte : anything else u want
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| 10:42 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: an even easier way to have guest sessions: Put the following in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/rc.d/S00-guest-sessions:
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| 10:42 | case "$LDM_USERNAME" in
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| 10:42 | guest*)
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| 10:42 | ssh -S "$LDM_SOCKET" "$LDM_SERVER" 'cd; rm -rf .* *; rsync -a /etc/skel/ .'
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| 10:42 | ;;
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| 10:42 | esac
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| 11:48 | <layus> hello everybody :-)
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| 11:49 | i got a simple question : is there some simple documentation about usb hotplug ?
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| 11:50 | <alkisg> layus: again, could you be more specific?
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| 11:50 | Hotplug isn't used anymore, it's udev nowadays
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| 11:50 | And the ltsp docs in the /topic mention about usb sticks...
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| 11:51 | <alkisg> If you want to be able to unmount the sticks from nautilus, then you don't want documentation, but implementation. I.e. dig into the sources of ltspfs.
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| 11:52 | <layus> seems i got too fast over that topic...
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| 11:52 | thx
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| 11:54 | <kim_> Hyperbyte : any solution
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| 12:00 | <kim_> Hyperbyte : are you there
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| 12:08 | <kim_> alkisg : do u have any solution regarding kiosk mode
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| 12:09 | I am trying from last two week there is no solution at all
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| 12:10 | <alkisg> kim_: please don't talk to me, I've been helping you for 4 months, we got the kiosk mode working numerous time, yet you always reformat and try from scratch, and you don't even remember what we did last time to get it working
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| 12:10 | My advice to you still is to get someone to do this FOR you
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| 12:10 | It's only 3-4 hours for a professional, while you already spent 4 months already
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| 12:16 | <Hyperbyte> kim_: 12:05 <Hyperbyte> Pastebin /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 12:16 | Did you do this yet?
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| 12:17 | <kim_> k
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| 12:24 | <kim__> hyperbyte :http://pastebin.com/nMxWaBk6
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| 12:25 | this is my /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 12:25 | <kim__> now let me know if there is any issue
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| 12:25 | please i want to solve this problem
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| 12:26 | <Hyperbyte> What is your current problem exactly?
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| 12:28 | <kim__> my client is not booting with kiosk mode
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| 12:30 | <Hyperbyte> What EXACTLY happens? Be specific.
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| 12:30 | Oh
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| 12:30 | X: /tmp/X11-unix has suspicious ownership (not root:root), aborting.
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| 12:30 | That?
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| 12:33 | What command did you use to build your LTSP client?
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| 12:36 | <kim__> ltsp-build-client --kiosk
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| 12:36 | i used
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| 12:37 | <Ghidorah> Hello, does anyone know how to set the default ldm session to ubuntu classic with LTSP-Cluster?
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| 12:37 | <kim__> hyperbyte : tell me
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| 12:42 | <kim__> hyperbyte: u there
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| 12:47 | <Hyperbyte> kim__, I'm at work here - will you please be patient?
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| 12:48 | Ghidorah, if it's thin clients you can just look for how to set Ubuntu classic for all users. It's not an LTSP-related query per say then. Not that I don't want to help you, I just don't know the answer. ;)
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| 12:49 | <Ghidorah> Thanks for the lead Hyperbyte
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| 12:49 | <Hyperbyte> I believe it's set through gconf
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| 12:50 | !disable-compiz | echo Ghidorah
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| 12:50 | <ltsp> Ghidorah disable-compiz: To disable compiz for all users, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity.
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| 12:50 | <Hyperbyte> Not sure if that's related, maybe that's it even? I'm not familiar enough with Ubuntu yet. :)
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| 12:50 | <Ghidorah> This whole unity thing is throwing me through a loop.
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| 12:51 | I feel like an old man grumbling about change
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| 12:53 | <Hyperbyte> Hah... :)
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| 12:53 | kim__, X: /tmp/X11-unix has suspicious ownership (not root:root), aborting.
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| 12:54 | That's the error you get, right?
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| 13:04 | <layus> So... afther many reading. It seems that i use ltsp5 : "dpkg -l ltsp-server : Version : 5.2.4-2" On debian 6.0.2 squeeze (stable). Does it seem possible ? I found very little documentation about this config. Is it too new ?
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| 13:05 | <Hyperbyte> LTSP5 is the current version you should be using
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| 13:06 | LTSP4 is outdated as far as I know.
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| 13:07 | <layus> I would like to know wich usb-sharing protocol i should use. seems fuse is the most recent, but samba share seems to work with nfs system (did i said something wrong ?) that debian still uses in place of ndb ? And is it possible tu use fuse to mount my usb stick to a windows server ?
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| 13:09 | both get very few installation instruction on debian squeeze, and the fuse-install page on the doc is soo messy :-)
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| 13:09 | and refers to version 4.2
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| 13:10 | so where should i look for proper installation instructions (or some doc at least) to set up a working usb-sharing environnment ?
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| 13:15 | <layus> None got any idea ?
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| 13:25 | <Hyperbyte> layus, 'usb sharing environment'? LTSP clients already have localapps which share USB sticks between client and server
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| 13:26 | Sharing from LTSP thin client to a Windows server is something I haven't heard about before, but it seems possible: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm5ixwAyQwU
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| 13:30 | <roasted> Hey there guys - I can run multiple scopes in the /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file, right? I have a server with 4 NICs and I plan to use 1 NIC per lab, with each running on a different DHCP subnet.
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| 13:30 | I just want to make sure I can directly copy the existing config in dhcpd.conf, copy it so I have 2 entries separated by a few blank lines with # tags, and just change the info to my network spec.
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| 13:31 | <Appiah> it's the normal dhcpd (not modified in anyway for ltsp) so yes you can have multipe scopes
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| 13:32 | you can use any dhcp server you'd like
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| 13:39 | <Hyperbyte> LTSP uses the default Ubuntu dhcpd, isc-dhcp-server, not modified. So yes, that's possible. :)
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| 13:39 | <roasted> Appiah, okay, I just wasn't sure since the dhcpd.conf file you use for configuring DHCP is in a different location for LTSP specific servers, so it made me think perhaps there are some further changes besides the fact its /etc/ltsp instead of /etc/dhcp3
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| 13:39 | <Hyperbyte> roasted: http://secondary.recreatie-zorg.nl/jan/dhcpd.txt
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| 13:39 | That's my dhcpd.conf... part of it, anyways.
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| 13:40 | <roasted> good deal
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| 13:40 | I think the default one with the edits to our network should work. That's how I set up the little ltsp server I have last year.
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| 13:40 | <Hyperbyte> Look at /etc/init.d/isc-dhcp-server, you'll see how the ltsp dhcpd config works. There's a line which allows /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to override the /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf
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| 13:41 | <roasted> Hyperbyte, I gotcha. So it's the same exact thing, basically. That's what I was unsure of.
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| 13:41 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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| 13:41 | <roasted> so if I want two scopes I should just copy the whole section in the default ltsp dhcp file and copy it
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| 13:41 | and edit both ranges to my spec
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| 13:41 | or do I need to include authoritative; for each scope too?
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| 13:42 | <Hyperbyte> See the link above for example config.
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| 13:42 | In fact, you don't have to specify anything for hosts. Anything you don't specify is taken from the global config.
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| 13:42 | <roasted> your file looks much more edited than what the default one is, though
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| 13:42 | so it's throwing me off a little bit trying to follow when I think mine would look very different
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| 13:42 | <Hyperbyte> If you look at my config you'll see the domain name and nameservers, timeservers are same for both hosts, yet routers are different.
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| 13:43 | Hehe, my dhcpd.conf also does dynamic DNS updates for the local network.
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| 13:43 | <roasted> I see
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| 13:43 | <Hyperbyte> Edited out for your pleasure - refresh.
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| 13:44 | <roasted> okay, I see now
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| 13:44 | so one line of authoritiative, then just copy the config twice
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| 13:44 | and edit for each scope
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| 13:44 | now, ubuntu dhcp only hands out IPs of its eth's range, right?
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| 13:44 | example...
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| 13:44 | <Hyperbyte> And you don't have to duplicate everything, you can leave options global as well.
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| 13:45 | <roasted> if I have two NICs, 10.52.11.1 and 10.52.12.1, and I have a DHCP scope set for 10.52.11.0-255 and 10.52.12.0-255, then 11 won't hand out .12.X IP's will it?
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| 13:45 | I mean, it wouldn't be able to I would think
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| 13:45 | <Hyperbyte> subnet 192.168.100.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
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| 13:46 | This line makes dhcpd look if it has an eth interface that lies within that subnet. If it does, it'll run the dhcp protocol for that subnet on the interface.
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| 13:46 | <roasted> in a round about way, is that a yes?
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| 13:46 | I just want to make sure I keep eth0 (11.0) on lab A, whereas eth1 (12.0) stays on lab B
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| 13:47 | <Hyperbyte> You get a roundabout answer because you're asking for the obvious. ;-)
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| 13:47 | <roasted> so that way I can be running multiple NICs with independent jobs yet run DHCP Server with an organizational aspect to it
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| 13:47 | well, I've never ran multiple scopes
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| 13:47 | so, this is untapped territory for me, my friend :
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| 13:47 | :)
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| 13:47 | <Hyperbyte> Naturally a DHCP server will not hand out 10.52.11.x addresses on a network that doesn't have these addresses in the subnet. :)
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| 13:48 | <roasted> when you say global options, that's all of the option -xxxxxx entries, right?
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| 13:48 | <Hyperbyte> Else clients couldn't communicate on the network.
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| 13:48 | <roasted> option domain-name, option domaine-name-servers, etc
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| 13:48 | <Hyperbyte> No, look at my dhcpd.conf. option routers is defined per subnet, option ntp-server is defined globally
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| 13:49 | <roasted> so whatever is up top = global, whatever is under subnet = defined per subnet
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| 13:49 | <Hyperbyte> Yessir.
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| 13:49 | <roasted> nice, thanks for your time
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| 13:49 | its mucho appreciated
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| 13:49 | <Hyperbyte> You're very welcome. :)
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| 13:49 | <roasted> in a bit here I should be able to get this puppy fired up
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| 13:50 | <alkisg> layus: you don't need to do anything at all to have usb sticks working on LTSP 5, they're working out of the box.
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| 13:50 | <roasted> g'morning alkisg
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| 13:50 | <alkisg> layus: now for rdp, you need to pass a parameter to the rdp client you're using
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| 13:50 | Not ltsp related.
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| 13:50 | Hi roasted. How's your nic bonding going?
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| 13:51 | <roasted> it's not. decided to change things up a bit.
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| 13:51 | since 1 gig port has easily served 30 clients for me, and this year I'm doing 60 on this server, I'm just keeping it proportional since we might have room for upgrades later.
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| 13:51 | 1 NIC per lab, 2 labs @ 30 clients each
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| 13:51 | so my intention is to set up two DHCP scopes and run 2 NICs, and run one lab off one subnet, another lab off another subnet.
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| 13:52 | that way I still have the 1x30 proportions that I used last year that I know worked, all without bonding
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| 13:52 | <alkisg> Sure, that should be very easy, just creating the subnets + setting static nics
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| 13:52 | *ips
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| 13:52 | <roasted> I talked to a few linux buds of mine and they felt as though bonding for what I was doin gwas more of a "hunting a bird with a cannon" type of setup
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| 13:52 | <alkisg> Of course bonding would make 1 lab go faster in the cases where the other lab is not in use
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| 13:52 | <roasted> the other curve ball is, that leaves me with 2 spare NICs
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| 13:52 | which, if we add more clients to this server...
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| 13:52 | I could just set up another scope and bam, hook 'em up
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| 13:53 | <alkisg> Nope, bonding suits what you want to do better than 2 separate subnets, but anyway that's a solution too
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| 13:53 | <roasted> If I would bond, then I would be using 1 "vNIC" for both labs, eh?
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| 13:54 | <alkisg> Yes, and if your wiring was adequate, then when 1 lab was off, the other one would go 2 times faster
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| 13:54 | <roasted> I just think it may complicate things a bit more than I'm wanting to introduce. I tried to set up bonding last year and it just didn't take off.
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| 13:54 | <alkisg> Sure, whatever works for you
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| 13:54 | <roasted> I may be wrong and maybe I have a sour taste in my mouth from last year's failure.
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| 13:54 | <alkisg> I'm just stating the advantages here
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| 13:55 | <roasted> yeah. I hear ya. I did a lot of reading on it too, and it sounds like a lot changed with bonding when 10.04 came on board.
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| 13:55 | yet a lot of guides I find are for 8.04-ish era
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| 13:55 | <alkisg> Why? The link I gave you worked before 10.04 and on 10.04 all the same
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| 13:55 | <roasted> the link you gave me was for 8.10, which is what I used last year.
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| 13:55 | :(
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| 13:55 | <alkisg> But the decision should start from your wiring, not from the wikies you can find
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| 13:56 | It worked on 10.04 too, I tried it a few weeks ago
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| 13:56 | <roasted> hm
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| 13:56 | <alkisg> With no changes at all. I just didn't update the wiki page to say that.
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| 13:56 | <roasted> then I wonder what I did wrong
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| 13:56 | <alkisg> Anyway, separating the subnets is a good idea too
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| 13:56 | <Hyperbyte> roasted, things like bonding network interfaces, routing, traffic shaping... those are things Linux is kickass in. It's mostly all done via the kernel too, independant of any distro or 3rd party software.
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| 13:56 | <roasted> well my wiring setup is pretty straight forward. Both labs come into two switches, and the server is in those switches.
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| 13:56 | <alkisg> It's even easier wrt cabling
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| 13:56 | <Hyperbyte> 3rd party being other than the kernel.
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| 13:57 | <roasted> Hyperbyte, yeah, I remember reading about how HP has a lot of firmware or whatever that allows for bonding. It always made me think it's kind of a dirty setup then.
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| 13:57 | like if you have HP gear, you can do it, while Dell can't without an alternative app, etc.
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| 13:57 | but it being integrated within Linux is a sweet thing.
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| 13:57 | <alkisg> Nah cheap switches like even d-link can do bonding too
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| 13:58 | <roasted> maybe I should give it another go. after all, I have an hour or so to kill here.
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| 13:58 | <Hyperbyte> roasted, if you have a 32-bit CPU you can't run a 64-bit OS, if you have a 64-bit CPU, you can. What's the point? Different firmware, supports different instructions and brings different possibilities. Nothing dirty about it.
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| 13:58 | <roasted> oh that's right. the switch needs LACP or something set up on it.
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| 13:58 | <alkisg> roasted: if you have 2 switches, then bonding would be more difficult, so go with the 2 subnets approach, it suits your setup better
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| 13:58 | No, the switch doesn't need to support boding
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| 13:58 | <roasted> alkisg, yeah, I have 2 switches, 1 per lab.
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| 13:58 | <alkisg> Bonding
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| 13:58 | <alkisg> There are different bonding modes, some are switch-neutral
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| 13:58 | <roasted> 60 clients, 30 per lab, 48 port switches.
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| 13:58 | I see
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| 13:59 | so with having two switches, 1 per lab, do you think bonding is worth checking into?
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| 13:59 | or is that complicating things with multiple switches?
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| 13:59 | <alkisg> Not sure there, because of the switches interconnection
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| 14:00 | <roasted> hm
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| 14:00 | which form of bonding do you suggest
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| 14:00 | <alkisg> So I stick with this advice: (04:58:22 μμ) alkisg: roasted: if you have 2 switches, then bonding would be more difficult, so go with the 2 subnets approach, it suits your setup better
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| 14:00 | For a single switch, the one I wrote in the wiki page
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| 14:00 | For multiple switches, no idea, more thought is needed
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| 14:00 | <Hyperbyte> For multiple switches you run into problem where switch becomes bottleneck.
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| 14:01 | <roasted> yeah, I suppose if I bond two server NICs (1gb each) then a gig switch isn't doing me much good if the throughput from the server is more than what it can handle
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| 14:01 | e.g. 2gb from server, 1gb switch supported
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| 14:02 | <alkisg> You'd have to setup bonding between switches too
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| 14:02 | I don't know how that is done
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| 14:02 | <roasted> I've seen it in the switch config, but it's switch dependent on who supports what.
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| 14:02 | <jammcq> good morning friends
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| 14:02 | <roasted> hello there
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| 14:02 | <alkisg> Good morning jammcq
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| 14:02 | <roasted> that said, if I'm running "not exactly top end gear" I probably don't have those options.
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| 14:03 | example - Dell 3500's don't support VLAN-ing per port.
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| 14:03 | 6200's do.
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| 14:03 | just so happens 3500's are what I have for the labs.
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| 14:03 | (even though that's vlaning, its just an example to throw on the table)
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| 14:05 | anyway, time to get some tagging done. appreciate your time as always alkisg & Hyperbyte
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| 14:08 | <markit> hi ppl, hi alkisg :)
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| 14:08 | <roasted> hey there
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| 14:13 | <Hyperbyte> Morning jammcq :)
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| 14:13 | <jammcq> hey Hyperbyte
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| 14:15 | <Hyperbyte> How are you?
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| 14:15 | <jammcq> good. what's shaking where you are?
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| 14:15 | <Hyperbyte> Lots and lots of rain.
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| 14:15 | :(
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| 14:16 | <jammcq> wow, lots of dryness and heat here
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| 14:16 | after a very wet spring, we're finally getting a summer
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| 14:16 | <Hyperbyte> Oh, and I'm in a huge fight with my bank. My creditcard broke (literally, in two)... so I asked for a new one. "No problem!" they said. "You can keep using your old card as well, card details stay the same." Everything great.
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| 14:17 | Just received a mail from the company where I have my webhosting, that they failed accessing my creditcard. And I can't make payments either.
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| 14:17 | <jammcq> hah, typical banking
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| 14:19 | <markit> anyone had troubles in delpoy with (K)ubuntu 11.04? I mean, troubles related to the OS version
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| 14:19 | <Hyperbyte> So I called my bank and apparently, even though all the details stayed the same, they thought it'd best to block my broken (yet still readable) creditcard until I receive my new one. All sorted now though. :)
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| 14:19 | <markit> I ask because I would like to use it instead of 10.04
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| 14:20 | <Hyperbyte> markit, running Edubuntu 11.04 without problems. Kiosk mode is broken I think, but I don't use that. :)
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| 14:20 | <markit> Hyperbyte: ok, do you use fat clients too, by chance?
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| 14:20 | <Hyperbyte> No sir.
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| 14:21 | <markit> I've to deploy for 20PC elementary school, so multimedia is necessary
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| 14:21 | <Hyperbyte> Are you having some problems with 10.04 that make you want to upgrade to 11.04?
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| 14:21 | <markit> I'll do some tests :)
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| 14:22 | Hyperbyte: no, but usually I prefer to move to the most updated version
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| 14:23 | so I get the most recent sw and most recent bugs ;P
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| 14:23 | <Hyperbyte> markit, do you realize that Ubuntu 10.04 is a long-term-support release? So in the long run 10.04 will be more updated than 11.04
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| 14:23 | <markit> Hyperbyte: more updated for security fix, not sw versions
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| 14:23 | is like debian stable, I suppose
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| 14:24 | (I usually use debian, unstable at home and stable for servers)
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| 14:24 | <alkisg> 10.04 will get a 11.04 kernel and a 11.10 kernel. Natty won't get an 11.10 kernel
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| 14:24 | So LTS can even have newer software.
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| 14:24 | <markit> firefox 5?
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| 14:24 | <alkisg> No. I'm sure you can get that, and libreoffice, from a ppa though
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| 14:24 | <markit> kde 4.7?
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| 14:25 | ok, I've got your point and I thank you for telling me
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| 14:26 | I've also some "LIM" with a software that is not more compiled for 10.04, AFAIR ("ardesia")
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| 14:26 | and would love to have the same version of OS in all the situations
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| 14:26 | but frankly I'm trying to convince myself just because I like new stuff
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| 14:26 | * markit psycologist with himself | |
| 14:26 | <Hyperbyte> markit, I take your point, too. I run 11.04 for the exact same reason (newer software). I was just saying... consider what you're getting yourself into.
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| 14:27 | <markit> do you know the feeling when you see a new gadget and try to convince yourself that is "indispensable"? :)
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| 14:27 | how can you live without Nexus II S?
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| 14:27 | <Hyperbyte> Usually I don't try and just grab my wallet. :)
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| 14:27 | <markit> or something like that, lol
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| 14:27 | Hyperbyte: hehehe
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| 14:29 | dgroos: ping
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| 14:39 | <Ghidorah> stgraber you around?
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| 14:40 | <stgraber> Ghidorah: sort of, I'm online but I'm not doing LTSP stuff at the moment :)
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| 14:41 | <Ghidorah> stgraber: Darn I was going to ask about this http://osdir.com/ml/LTSP-cluster-thin-clients/2011-06/msg00024.html
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| 14:43 | <stgraber> Ghidorah: right. Need it backported?
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| 14:43 | <Ghidorah> If at all possible
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| 14:43 | <stgraber> should be quite easy to do, just file a bug about it and I'll have a look
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| 14:44 | <Ghidorah> Thanks sir!
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| 14:44 | <jammcq> stgraber: Oct 27-30 is looking much better for BTS
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| 14:44 | seems to clear up conflicts that lots of other people had
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| 14:45 | <roasted> for what it's worth, I'm running 10.04 with libre office 3.3
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| 14:45 | just got the .deb from their site, dpkg -i *.deb, and then cd into desktop-integration and run the same command.
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| 14:45 | follow up with apt-get remove openoffice* and you'll successfully be running libre office and only libre office for your 10.04 office suite.
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| 14:58 | <stgraber> jammcq: ok, so we're moving BTS, that's great for me as I've been asked to present something in the Netherlands on the 20th but couldn't because of BTS :)
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| 14:58 | jammcq: do we want to poke everyone again to check if 27-30 works for them and then announce it?
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| 15:10 | <markit> stgraber: forgive my ignorance.. what is "BTS"?
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| 15:11 | <stgraber> markit: BTS stands for by the sea which is the shortname of the yearly LTSP by the sea meeting in Southwest Harbor, ME
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| 15:24 | <Ghidorah> Sounds like a lot of fun.
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| 15:38 | <knipwim> check, and the Ohloh enlistments page is up-to-date again
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| 17:41 | <jammcq> stgraber: I just have one more person to check with for the new dates
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| 17:41 | but i'm thinking that moving the dates will allow Gadi to come
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| 17:41 | he had a conflict
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| 17:41 | with the old date
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| 17:43 | <alkisg> How about vagrantc? Will he be there?
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| 17:51 | <stgraber> alkisg: did you apply for UDS sponsorship?
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| 17:52 | <alkisg> Hi stgraber, not yet, I'm on some short vacations, will do so in a couple of days when I get back. UDS sponshorship == hotel only, right?
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| 17:52 | <stgraber> alkisg: hotel+flight+per-diem for food
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| 17:52 | <alkisg> +flight? Oooh very nice :)
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| 17:53 | <stgraber> yeah, when you're sponsored you usually don't need to pay a cent (unless you end up drinking more beer than the 25$ per-diem lets you buy ;))
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| 17:53 | <alkisg> Hehe I'll bring you guys some tsipouro from here, we'll drink that :)
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| 17:54 | (I hope liquids are allowed on suitcases on planes, no?)
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| 17:55 | <stgraber> if you get sponsored by Canonical to go to UDS, you'll then be able to just tell the travel agency that you want a quote for UDS and a quote for UDS+LTSP BTS. Then pay the difference (if any, last time it cost me something like 150$ IIRC).
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| 17:55 | yeah, liquids are fine in checked baggages. They just freak out when you want to take them in your carry-on bags :)
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| 17:55 | <alkisg> Hehe. Perfect. If it costs under $1000, I'm there :)
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| 17:57 | <jammcq> I talked with Jorge Castro on saturday
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| 17:57 | he's not as involved in the sponsorship process anymore but he gave me some tips
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| 17:57 | * alkisg is all ears... | |
| 17:58 | <jammcq> if we can get ogra_ and stgraber to both recommend you, then it should help alot
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| 17:58 | <stgraber> I can definitely do that.
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| 17:58 | <alkisg> I have hopes for that, I can also bribe them if needed :D
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| 17:58 | <jammcq> ogra_ said something about he'd support it
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| 17:59 | heh
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| 17:59 | <alkisg> Nice, I'll ping you guys in a couple of days when I've filed the sponshorship form
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| 17:59 | Thanks!
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| 17:59 | <jammcq> so.... i've talked to everybody about the change in dates
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| 17:59 | and it looks good
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| 18:08 | <jammcq> anybody seen cliebow lately?
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| 18:08 | stgraber: will you be bringing marc and Jonathon?
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| 18:09 | <mgariepy> i'll probably be there
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| 18:09 | <jammcq> mgariepy: cool
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| 18:10 | i've added you to the wiki
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| 18:10 | just getting it saved now
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| 18:10 | <stgraber> jammcq: you realize that highvoltage will point you to his web page on how to spell his name? :)
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| 18:10 | <jammcq> yeah, everytime I write it, I remember that web page
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| 18:10 | so now it's more fun to get it wrong :)
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| 18:11 | * veloutin *couch* JoC *couch* ;) | |
| 18:11 | <veloutin> s/couch/cough/g
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| 18:12 | <highvoltage> http://jonathancarter.org/how-to-spell-jonathan/
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| 18:12 | there's a PDF too that you can download and print!
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| 18:12 | <jammcq> stgraber: will you be bringing marc and Jonathan?
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| 18:12 | there, happy?
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| 18:12 | :)
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| 18:13 | <highvoltage> yes :)
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| 18:13 | <jammcq> highvoltage: you coming?
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| 18:13 | <stgraber> jammcq: I hope the three of us will be there. I'm sure I'll, for the two others that's up to Revolution Linux.
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| 18:14 | <highvoltage> jammcq: yep, quite likely.
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| 18:14 | <stgraber> if they come, I'll be coming with them, otherwise I'll manage :)
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| 18:15 | <jammcq> ok, wiki is up
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| 19:03 | <Hyperbyte> Hey Andy. :)
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| 19:25 | <jammcq> Gadi: HEY !
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| 19:25 | <Hyperbyte> Gadi!
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| 19:25 | <Gadi> ho
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| 19:25 | <jammcq> Gadi: so, looks like BTS-2011 will be a week later than we originally said
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| 19:25 | <Gadi> someone stop the world - I want to get off
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| 19:25 | really?
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| 19:25 | <jammcq> yep
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| 19:25 | <Gadi> stop it
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| 19:25 | get out
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| 19:25 | no way
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| 19:25 | <jammcq> way
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| 19:25 | <Gadi> really?
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| 19:25 | <jammcq> yep
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| 19:25 | <Gadi> why?
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| 19:26 | <jammcq> so.... we're doing this just so you can come :)
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| 19:26 | <Gadi> no, but really...
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| 19:26 | <jammcq> and also because UDS has been pushed back a week
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| 19:26 | <Hyperbyte> Haha
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| 19:26 | <Gadi> bless Ubuntu - the force behind our scheduling
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| 19:26 | <jammcq> so.... now you have to come
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| 19:26 | <Gadi> :)
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| 19:26 | so, now I HAVE to come!
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| 19:26 | <jammcq> yep
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| 19:26 | <Gadi> oh I am so happy
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| 19:27 | :)
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| 19:27 | <jammcq> so... it starts the 27th of october
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| 19:27 | so around the 26th, you can start looking for cheap plane tickets :)
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| 19:27 | <Gadi> hehe - plane tickets
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| 19:27 | do you know how much plane tickets have gone up?
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| 19:28 | Id friggin walk first
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| 19:28 | :P
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| 19:28 | <jammcq> yeah, they're a bit crazy
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| 19:28 | <Gadi> I think they drink the jet fuel on the tarmac
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| 19:28 | * alkisg is considering bringing a bike for the transportations | |
| 19:28 | <Gadi> alkisg: You gonna be there?
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| 19:28 | <alkisg> I'll try to, there's hope yet
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| 19:28 | <Gadi> haha!
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| 19:28 | <jammcq> so far, the whole band is coming
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| 19:29 | except for davidj
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| 19:29 | <Gadi> awesome
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| 19:29 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, my offer is still open too. :)
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| 19:29 | <jammcq> he's likely not gonna be able to make it
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| 19:29 | <Gadi> oh crap, I owe davidj a phone call
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| 19:29 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: excellent!
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| 19:29 | <Gadi> sigh
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| 19:29 | stop the world
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| 19:29 | <jammcq> heh
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| 19:29 | <alkisg> We'll have enough manpower there to start LTSP 6, and also eat half of the US lobster production
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| 19:29 | * Gadi goes to update the google calendar... | |
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| 19:30 | <jammcq> we could always adopt the Firefox naming convention and just keep coming out with new major releases every 6 weeks
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| 19:34 | <Gadi> alkisg: with enough beer, we can prolly finish ltsp6
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| 19:36 | <alkisg> Hmm I can bring a few galons of a local drink called tsipouro, if you guys can handle it we'll even surpass google-chrome version :D
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| 19:37 | <jammcq> alkisg: bring whatever you can. we'll put it to good use
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| 20:01 | <alkisg> stgraber: there are some ubuntultsp wiki pages pointing to your old ppa for possible LTSP backports - do you have a new location for something similar, or should we remove any ppa references?
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| 20:02 | <stgraber> alkisg: I don't have a backport PPA for LTSP anymore. Some packages are in revolution linux's PPA but they are quite old
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| 20:02 | <alkisg> OK, ty
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| 20:02 | !forget stgraber-ppa
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| 20:02 | <ltsp> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 20:02 | <stgraber> alkisg: what would be great is to have automatic builds of ldm, ltspfs, ltsp and ltsp-docs from the bzr tree
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| 20:03 | and have that as a PPA on ~ltsp-upstream
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| 20:03 | <alkisg> Indeed, but maybe it'd be best for it not to be completely automatic, but for someone to select when to have a build out of the trunk
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| 20:03 | As sometimes the trunk can be unstable
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| 20:04 | I bet we can script this though
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| 20:05 | <stgraber> what I'd do is have a "daily" PPA for the autobuilds and a "stable" PPA where we copy stuff that's known to work
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| 20:06 | <alkisg> Yeah that sounds good. I can try to do that on the BTS, if I make it there.
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| 20:18 | <Ghidorah> Sigh, anyone know of some steps to take when ltsp-cluster-accountmanger is killing users after an kernel update?
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