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Channel log from 9 August 2013 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:11 | <_UsUrPeR_> good... evening all?
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| 02:18 | <jammcq> hey _UsUrPeR_
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| 02:27 | <_UsUrPeR_> jammcq: how's it going?
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| 02:27 | <jammcq> going pretty well
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| 02:27 | <_UsUrPeR_> good to hear
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| 02:27 | <jammcq> what's new?
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| 02:28 | <_UsUrPeR_> I have come here for technical expertise. Per the norm. Have you ever used hylafax? :)
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| 02:28 | <jammcq> sure
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| 02:28 | * _UsUrPeR_ does a double-take at the screen | |
| 02:28 | <jammcq> I've been using it for years and years
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| 02:28 | <_UsUrPeR_> well shucks, brother
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| 02:28 | #hylafax is dead
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| 02:28 | <jammcq> heh
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| 02:29 | <_UsUrPeR_> I figured I'd plumb the depths of old-timerness on irc
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| 02:29 | ok, so let me lay this out for you then:
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| 02:29 | I am helping someone replace a dead server
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| 02:29 | it was horriffic, and the motherboard died. This was from an old Xeon PII server with, like, 8 COM ports on it
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| 02:30 | <jammcq> wow
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| 02:30 | <_UsUrPeR_> I am exadurating.
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| 02:30 | but he was running 3 COM port modems off it
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| 02:30 | it died, and the new server has only one COM port
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| 02:30 | <jammcq> it's alright. one of the servers I have running hylafax is a pentium-pro machine with 8 ports
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| 02:30 | heh
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| 02:30 | <_UsUrPeR_> yeah. Pray it doesn't die :)
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| 02:30 | <jammcq> hylafax runs with USB modems :)
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| 02:30 | <_UsUrPeR_> so I am trying to get hylafax up and running on a new system
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| 02:31 | precisely
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| 02:31 | <jammcq> i'm doing that for my server
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| 02:31 | <_UsUrPeR_> I got a USB > COM adapter
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| 02:31 | <jammcq> ok
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| 02:31 | <_UsUrPeR_> and the modem detects! Easy as pie
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| 02:31 | so I ran faxaddmodem
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| 02:31 | <jammcq> ah yeah, that fun stuff
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| 02:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> pointed it to /dev/ttyUSB1 and it saw the modem, and saw that it was good to 33600
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| 02:32 | which is fine for faxing
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| 02:33 | <_UsUrPeR_> so I have a config.ttyUSB1 in /etc/hylafax, and it copied it over to /var/spool/hylafax/config after restarting the service
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| 02:33 | <_UsUrPeR_> however, when I run faxstat, I only see the single COM port modem in there at /dev/ttyS0
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| 02:33 | not the one in /dev/ttyUSB1
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| 02:33 | <jammcq> what distro?
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| 02:34 | <_UsUrPeR_> and I have added it to inittab
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| 02:34 | this is...
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| 02:34 | ubuntu 8.04
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| 02:34 | the reason I am adding this second modem is to be used for outbound faxes only
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| 02:34 | but I assume it needs to be seen by hylafax in faxstat prior to being able to be used by faxq
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| 02:35 | <jammcq> ok, first of all, my USB modem is on ttyACM0
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| 02:35 | not sure if that makes any difference
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| 02:35 | <_UsUrPeR_> huh. weird
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| 02:35 | <jammcq> and my configs live in /var/spool/hylafax/etc
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| 02:36 | 'config' is a text file
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| 02:36 | not a dir on my system
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| 02:36 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok
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| 02:36 | <jammcq> my server is Ubuntu 10.04
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| 02:36 | <_UsUrPeR_> for the record, I show no ttyACM* in /dev/
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| 02:36 | <jammcq> could be a change in udev or something
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| 02:36 | <_UsUrPeR_> and dmesg earlier showed it assigned the USB plugins to /dev/ttyUSB*
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| 02:37 | possible, yeah
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| 02:37 | <jammcq> mine is a real USB modem, no serial-usb adapters
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| 02:37 | <_UsUrPeR_> just want to clear up potential issues as we move along
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| 02:37 | oh, ok
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| 02:37 | <jammcq> sure
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| 02:37 | <_UsUrPeR_> this modem is an honest-to-god $200 fax modem
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| 02:37 | <jammcq> so... do you have a /var/spool/hylafax/etc directory?
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| 02:37 | mine was $100 which still seems rediculous for a modem
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| 02:38 | <_UsUrPeR_> I do have /var/spool/hylafax/etc/ I was mistaken by the "config" dir
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| 02:38 | it copies all conf files over from /etc/hylafax/ to /var/spool/hylafax/etc when I restart the service
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| 02:38 | <jammcq> ok
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| 02:39 | in your init script, what line did you add? something like: faxmodem ttyUSB0
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| 02:39 | <_UsUrPeR_> Line is as follows:
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| 02:40 | t1:23:respawn:/usr/sbin/faxgetty ttyUSB1
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| 02:40 | <jammcq> oooh
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| 02:40 | you trying to do incoming or outgoing?
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| 02:40 | or both?
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| 02:40 | <_UsUrPeR_> the previous line was as follows: t0:23:respawn:/usr/sbin/faxgetty ttyS0
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| 02:40 | It's my intention to have it operating as outgoing only
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| 02:41 | however, since no one has the phone number assigned to the second line, I figured faxq would figure it out
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| 02:41 | <jammcq> for outgoing, you don't need faxgetty
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| 02:41 | <_UsUrPeR_> copy that
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| 02:41 | <jammcq> that's just for incoming, so it'll answer the call
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| 02:41 | <_UsUrPeR_> I'll remove this from inittab
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| 02:41 | still, I am concerned that it doesn't show up in faxstat
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| 02:42 | <jammcq> are you at the machine now?
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| 02:42 | <_UsUrPeR_> when I ran faxaddmodem, it even detected the proper modem model and everything
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| 02:42 | I am not at the machine, unfortunately
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| 02:42 | <jammcq> no access to it?
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| 02:42 | <_UsUrPeR_> it's actually about 45 minutes away
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| 02:43 | and locked in someone's business
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| 02:43 | so... no
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| 02:43 | <jammcq> ah
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| 02:43 | <_UsUrPeR_> why do you ask?
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| 02:43 | <jammcq> ok, so... faxaddmodem sets up the configuration
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| 02:43 | <_UsUrPeR_> mmhmm
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| 02:43 | <jammcq> then 'faxmodem ttyUSB1' adds it to the pool
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| 02:43 | <_UsUrPeR_> oh?
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| 02:43 | <jammcq> sounds like faxq doesn't know the modem is available
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| 02:43 | <_UsUrPeR_> should I run that? I was unaware
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| 02:43 | <jammcq> yeah, I think so
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| 02:44 | try: man faxmodem
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| 02:44 | it tells alot about what it does
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| 02:44 | <_UsUrPeR_> running faxmodem ttyUSB1 threw an error about shared libraries
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| 02:44 | <jammcq> hmmm, that doesn't sound good
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| 02:44 | how did hylafax get installed?
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| 02:44 | <_UsUrPeR_> faxq is running right now
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| 02:44 | so I probably need to shut that down first
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| 02:45 | <jammcq> no, faxq is the fax daemon
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| 02:45 | you need that running
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| 02:45 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok, so that you know: I have one modem running and receiving faxes on ttyS0
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| 02:45 | it _is_ running
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| 02:45 | I just need to add the second modem :)
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| 02:45 | the error is as follows:
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| 02:46 | faxmodem: error while loading shared libraries: libfaxutil.so: cannot open shared object file: no such directory
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| 02:46 | <jammcq> how did you install hylafax?
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| 02:46 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok that does sound kind of bad actually
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| 02:46 | I did not install hylafax
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| 02:46 | it was like this when I got here :/
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| 02:46 | <jammcq> how did it get installed?
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| 02:46 | ah
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| 02:46 | you are cleaning up someone elses mess
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| 02:47 | try: locate libfaxutil.so
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| 02:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> indeed I am
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| 02:47 | <jammcq> could just be a path issue
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| 02:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> yeah, it shows up
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| 02:47 | <jammcq> what's the path?
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| 02:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> /usr/lib/hylafax/libfaxutil.so
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| 02:48 | <jammcq> try:
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| 02:48 | sudo /sbin/ldconfig /usr/lib/hylafax
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| 02:48 | and then try the faxmodem cmd again
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| 02:48 | <_UsUrPeR_> same error
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| 02:48 | <jammcq> odd
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| 02:49 | where is the faxmodem command, probably /usr/sbin
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| 02:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> whereis faxmodem shows /usr/sbin and /usr/local/sbin
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| 02:50 | <jammcq> do: type faxmodem
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| 02:50 | 'type' will tell us which one it'll use
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| 02:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> "faxmodem is hashed (/usr/local/sbin/faxmodem)
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| 02:50 | "
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| 02:51 | <jammcq> ok, do: sudo ldd /usr/local/sbin/faxmodem
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| 02:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> libfaxutil.so => not found
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| 02:51 | <jammcq> try: sudo ldd /usr/sbin/faxmodem
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| 02:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> everything else is in there
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| 02:52 | that shows it
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| 02:52 | perhaps a simlink would do the trick
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| 02:52 | <jammcq> so try running: /usr/sbin/faxmodem ttyUSB1
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| 02:52 | <_UsUrPeR_> took it - no issues
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| 02:52 | <jammcq> now try faxstat
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| 02:52 | <_UsUrPeR_> still showing a single modem
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| 02:53 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 02:53 | <_UsUrPeR_> I believe hylafax needs to be restarted though?
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| 02:53 | or is that not the case
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| 02:53 | <jammcq> shouldn't need to
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| 02:53 | but it sounds like you have 2 copies of hylafax installed
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| 02:53 | <_UsUrPeR_> yeah, that changed nothing
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| 02:55 | stranger still, this is running all it's stuff from /usr/local/sbin/
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| 02:55 | <jammcq> try: echo $PATH
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| 02:55 | <_UsUrPeR_> which faxq shows same /usr/local/sbin dir and ldd shows it's missing libraries
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| 02:56 | I see /usr/local/sbin before /usr/sbin
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| 02:56 | <jammcq> that's why it's running from there
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| 02:56 | <_UsUrPeR_> they are both in there though
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| 02:56 | <jammcq> sounds like someone installed the hylafax packages
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| 02:56 | and then built hylafax from source
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| 02:57 | and set the path to run the one they built
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| 02:57 | <_UsUrPeR_> seems odd that someone went through the trouble of running this all from /usr/local/sbin/ after it was already installed
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| 02:58 | stranger still is that it works at all
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| 02:58 | <jammcq> what's in your /etc/ld.so.conf file?
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| 02:59 | <_UsUrPeR_> hmm. for the record, hylafax in /etc/init.d/hylafax has directly called /usr/sbin/faxgetty
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| 02:59 | which is probably why it's running
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| 02:59 | <jammcq> yeah
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| 02:59 | <_UsUrPeR_> include /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf
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| 03:00 | <jammcq> hmm, waht's in the /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf files?
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| 03:00 | <_UsUrPeR_> in ld.so.conf.d there is libc.conf and x86_64-linux-gnu.conf
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| 03:00 | libc.conf shows /usr/local/lib, /lib, /lib32/
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| 03:01 | <jammcq> ans where was libfaxutil.so found?
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| 03:01 | <_UsUrPeR_> x86_64-linux-gnu.conf shows /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu, /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
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| 03:01 | /usr/lib/hylafax/libfaxutil.so
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| 03:02 | oh... can I move/ln -s that directory do /usr/local/lib/ ? :)
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| 03:02 | <jammcq> that's probably the one that was installed by the packages
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| 03:02 | is this a 32-bit or 64-bit system?
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| 03:02 | <_UsUrPeR_> 64-bit
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| 03:03 | I'll admit: I would have bet on 32-bit
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| 03:03 | uname -a says otherwise
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| 03:06 | <jammcq> so which faxq is running?
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| 03:06 | he one in /usr/local ?
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| 03:07 | <_UsUrPeR_> according to ps aux |grep faxq it shows /usr/sbin/faxq
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| 03:07 | which is the correct faxq
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| 03:08 | <jammcq> I dunno
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| 03:08 | <jammcq> it sounds like the stuff in /usr/local isn't complete
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| 03:08 | which faxstat did you run?
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| 03:08 | <_UsUrPeR_> I would tend to agree
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| 03:09 | which faxstat shows /usr/bin/faxstat
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| 03:09 | though there is no /usr/local/bin/faxstat...
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| 03:09 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 03:10 | <_UsUrPeR_> I am tempted to pull the /usr/local/sbin/ from $PATH
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| 03:10 | <jammcq> yeah
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| 03:10 | <_UsUrPeR_> that's the only stuff in /usr/local/sbin/
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| 03:10 | there's some stuff in /usr/local/lib, but it's all simlinked
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| 03:12 | hmm. ~/.bash_profile shows nothing interesting
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| 03:13 | where is $PATH set if it's not in a bash profile?
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| 03:13 | <jammcq> umm, maybe /etc/profile, or /etc/profile.d
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| 03:14 | <_UsUrPeR_> yuck. nothing useful in /etc/profile and /etc/profile.d/ is empty
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| 03:16 | /etc/bash.bashrc shows one export
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| 03:16 | but that's not the one I am looking for
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| 03:17 | oh there it is...
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| 03:17 | in...
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| 03:17 | crontab?
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| 03:18 | no export though
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| 03:18 | <jammcq> that's just for cron jobs
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| 03:18 | <_UsUrPeR_> yeah
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| 03:19 | <jammcq> look in /etc/login.defs
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| 03:20 | <_UsUrPeR_> there we go!
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| 03:20 | ENV_SUPATH
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| 03:20 | If I slip that to the end of the string, will it remain in paths without interfering?
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| 03:21 | <jammcq> yeah
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| 03:21 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok done
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| 03:21 | hmm. I guess I need to log out
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| 03:21 | not the case :P
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| 03:23 | do I need to re-export that?
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| 03:23 | there we go
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| 03:23 | done 8)
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| 03:24 | I am going to re-add this modem now with the proper program running
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| 03:26 | faxstat still shows only one modem after adding
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| 03:26 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 03:26 | <_UsUrPeR_> though doesn't faxstat only show modems that are added in inittab?
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| 03:26 | I had thought that was for faxgetty only
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| 03:27 | <jammcq> try restarting faxq and hfaxd
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| 03:27 | no
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| 03:27 | faxstat shows modems that hfaxd knows about
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| 03:27 | and faxgetting is one of the programs that tells it, but that's for incoming
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| 03:27 | faxmodem is the way to tell it for outgoing
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| 03:28 | <_UsUrPeR_> interesting. service hylafax stop killed faxq
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| 03:28 | however faxgetty still exists
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| 03:28 | <jammcq> s/hfaxd/faxq/
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| 03:28 | yeah, cuz faxgetty is run via inittab
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| 03:28 | faxq is a daemon
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| 03:28 | <_UsUrPeR_> how do I kill faxgetty cleanly? Just kill it?
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| 03:29 | <jammcq> yep, but it will restart immediately
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| 03:29 | you can ignore faxgetty
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| 03:29 | it just accepts incoming calls and figures out that it's a modem, and then spawns something else, like recvfax I think
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| 03:30 | <_UsUrPeR_> still showing opnly one modem >_<
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| 03:30 | also faxgetty did not restart
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| 03:31 | <jammcq> I think it will, when init figures out that it's gone
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| 03:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok, no biggie
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| 03:32 | <jammcq> reading the faxgetty manpage, it looks like it can be used for outgoing too, but that's just now how i've done it
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| 03:33 | <_UsUrPeR_> it's 11:30 so no doctors are going to be faxing in patient records anyway
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| 03:33 | <jammcq> and.... it's getting late
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| 03:33 | <_UsUrPeR_> agreed
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| 03:33 | I don't remember for you signing up for this :)
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| 03:33 | <jammcq> heh
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| 03:33 | <_UsUrPeR_> if you want to stop, I'm cool with that.
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| 03:33 | I do appreciate your time
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| 03:33 | <jammcq> yeah, i've gotta get my beauty rest
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| 03:34 | <_UsUrPeR_> well in that case, we'll call it a night.
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| 03:34 | <jammcq> anyway good luck
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| 03:34 | <_UsUrPeR_> yessir. Same to you.
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| 03:34 | <jammcq> i should be around tomorrow if you have any questions
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| 03:35 | <_UsUrPeR_> I just may, but I am going to take a shot at a few more things first
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| 12:03 | * gvy stares at jammcq and recalls hylafax times | |
| 12:10 | <Hyperbyte> Faxing is sooooooo 1998.
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| 12:10 | <jammcq> heh
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| 12:20 | <ogra_> not if you fax QR codes :)
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| 12:21 | <jammcq> hmmm, I wonder if that works
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| 12:21 | <ogra_> sure, why wouldnt it
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| 12:21 | <jammcq> fax resolution can be pretty bad
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| 12:21 | <ogra_> you can scale the code to any size you like
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| 12:21 | <jammcq> but... it's probably good enough
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| 12:22 | ogra_: did you buy your plane ticket yet?
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| 12:22 | <ogra_> nope, not yet
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| 12:23 | <jammcq> hope you do, lots of the regulars are already confirmed
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| 12:23 | gadi is coming
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| 12:23 | ragnar says he's 80% sure he's coming
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| 12:23 | <ogra_> i will, no worries
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| 12:23 | just didnt manage the paperwork yet
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| 12:23 | <jammcq> cool
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| 12:23 | <ogra_> if the right 80% come i'm fine with that
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| 12:23 | <jammcq> heh
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| 12:28 | <stgraber> jammcq: I still need to figure out how to get down there but that's probably just a matter of convincing mgariepy to go, that or I'll figure something out with highvoltage (or just fly to NYC or Boston).
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| 12:28 | <jammcq> stgraber: where is highvoltage?
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| 12:28 | <stgraber> jammcq: South Africa
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| 12:29 | <jammcq> so... is he coming?
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| 12:29 | <stgraber> he said he'd
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| 12:29 | <jammcq> oh wow
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| 12:29 | I figured since he was so far, he'd not be able to make it
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| 12:29 | it'd be great to have him back
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| 12:30 | but really, it'd be great to convince mgariepy
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| 12:36 | <ogra_> what about eric ?
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| 12:36 | <jammcq> i've reached out, but not heard back yet. I'll try calling him today
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| 12:36 | <ogra_> cool
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| 12:37 | <jammcq> and of course, it wouldn't be BTS without Scotty
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| 12:38 | <ogra_> yeah, thats a given
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| 12:54 | <highvoltage> hey jammcq
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| 12:55 | my biggest obsticle is that I'm likely to be moving into my place in the beginning of Nov, which might get in the way. otherwise it's nice that I have a 10 year US visa now so that takes care of that :)
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| 12:56 | <jammcq> highvoltage: well... I just assumed that since you were so far away, you wouldn't be able. I guess I shouldn't assume things.
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| 12:56 | and 10-yr visa's are great. I used to get a 90-day for brazil until I finally convinced them that I was coming every year. they finally gave me a 5-yr
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| 12:57 | <highvoltage> jammcq: nice. brazil is also cool because I don't need a visa to go there. we should have an ltsp related event there one day.
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| 12:58 | * highvoltage is somewhat saddened for his continued lack of ltsp contributions and that's likely to last for at least another six months or so | |
| 12:58 | <jammcq> sure, their FISL conference is excellent. i'm hoping to go next year, but next year seems to be getting pretty busy already
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| 13:05 | <alkisg> highvoltage: what's the deal with gnome-session-flashback? Is it something we'll see in the default edubuntu installation of 14.04?
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| 13:06 | * alkisg has spend some time searching which would be the best way to go, lxde-qt, xfce etc, until he saw highvoltage's name as the flashback maintainer... :) | |
| 13:07 | <alkisg> About LTSP 6, Phantomas did some researching and it's quite easy to setup samba as a PDC in order to authenticate both LTSP and windows clients against it... (instead of libpam_sshauth)
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| 13:07 | I don't know if we should implement that with the current samba 3 branches or if we should wait until samba 4 is working in ubuntu, though
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| 13:08 | It would be nice if we had LTSP 6 for Ubuntu 14.04 and Debian Jessy...
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| 13:08 | <jammcq> Samba-4 is sorta like Perl-6
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| 13:08 | <ogra_> probably ask slangasek about an eta for samba4
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| 13:08 | <jammcq> they were both announced more than 10 years ago
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| 13:08 | <ogra_> to make a proper judgement :)
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| 13:09 | <alkisg> Hehe.... it's supposed to be in beta currently, but it only works from upstream, the ubuntu package isn't yet ready
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| 13:09 | <ogra_> like duke nukem forever ... and it made it in the end :)
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| 13:09 | <alkisg> Ty ogra_, I'll ask him on the first chance
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| 13:09 | <jammcq> I wouldn't count on LTSP-6 for 14.04
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| 13:09 | <alkisg> I know, it would require at least a month of hard work (e.g. 8 hours per day), and noone seems to have that much time currently...
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| 13:10 | We'll probably do the Samba/no LDM stuff next summer, and upload it to a PPA for 14.04
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| 13:11 | But the most important question there, is "which DE to use"...
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| 13:11 | <jammcq> i'm really liking that idea of having a hackfest in Portland at Debconf time
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| 13:11 | <alkisg> +1000 :)
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| 13:11 | sbalneav was working on mate-desktop, but I think debian refused to ship that
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| 13:11 | <jammcq> he's still very involved in Mate
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| 13:19 | <highvoltage> hey alkisg!
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| 13:20 | alkisg: yeah the idea is to have one last release that can be supported for debian 8 and ubuntu 14.04
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| 13:21 | alkisg: we're working through some trouble just getting it to build at the moment, but I think a few more hours on it (seems down to a few build-dependencies that needs some updates for new versions) and it should be good.
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| 13:21 | alkisg: that's one of my higher-than-ltsp priorities at the moment. edubuntu is still a lot higher than that and needs some sore attention.
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| 13:22 | (so that's that in a nutshell)
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| 13:22 | alkisg: +1 on LTSP6 for 14.04, I think by then it will be a necessity
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| 13:23 | jammcq: next debconf is also something I really really want to get to as well
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| 13:24 | * highvoltage goes for late lunch, went for a 7km walk so quite hungry (l8rs)... | |
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| 18:50 | <imox> hello how can I change theme from the local apps?
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| 19:10 | <||cw> install a theme manager as a localapp?
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