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Channel log from 26 May 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:02 | <gnunux> hi
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| 03:28 | <dobber> http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/docs/ltsp-4.1-en.html#AEN67
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| 03:28 | is there a description like this for ltsp5
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| 03:32 | <alkisg> !docs
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| 03:32 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 03:32 | <alkisg> I think the theory of operation is included there.
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| 03:32 | It's not so analytical because it's distro dependend
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| 03:33 | <dobber> Chapter 6 :)
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| 03:33 | thanks
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| 07:31 | <dobber> ok
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| 07:31 | i dont know what is going on
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| 07:31 | 1 out of 10 restarts
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| 07:32 | the client boot just freezes
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| 07:32 | in random places
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| 07:33 | i've spend on this more than 15 hours !
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| 07:34 | <fly23> does it freeze at LDM ?
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| 07:34 | i've got the same error sometimes
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| 07:35 | it stops at the login-managers backround - so no input-box or shutdown-button
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| 07:35 | <dobber> before ldm
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| 07:36 | so, init is run ok, than it starts ltsp-client-setup
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| 07:36 | sometimes it freezes here
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| 07:36 | sometimes it freezes in ltsp-client-core
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| 07:39 | and after 120 seconds, it prints on the screen
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| 07:39 | INFO: task rsyslogd blocked
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| 07:39 | amixer, pulseaudio, ldm
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| 07:57 | <dobber> and i dont think it has anything to do with ltsp-client scripts
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| 08:03 | <fly23> i still can't get my setup to work properly
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| 08:03 | it just won't allow me to login
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| 08:12 | <dobber> i think i hit a kernel bug
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| 08:12 | damn :(
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| 08:41 | <denisesball> hey guys, i cannot get my tested ltsp server working with an external dhcp3 server, anyone have any experience with that?
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| 08:41 | <dobber> yes
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| 08:41 | <denisesball> fantastic
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| 08:42 | <dobber> you are having problems with dhcp config or ?
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| 08:42 | <denisesball> ill paste, one sec
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| 08:43 | http://pastebin.org/283280
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| 08:43 | shoot, 1 sec sorry
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| 08:43 | that is wrong
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| 08:43 | <dobber> you have to have next-server
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| 08:43 | next-server IP_OF_TFTPD;
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| 08:44 | <denisesball> this actually works how it is now, how is that happening?
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| 08:45 | http://pastebin.org/283288
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| 08:45 | ok that is the actual stanze
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| 08:45 | works fine for the old servers running old ltsp and debian 4. i inserted a new ubuntu 10.04 server and want this term to boot off of it
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| 08:46 | i'm not sure what to change the "filename" lines too for the new server since they are much different on the new ltsp
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| 08:47 | <dobber> my config is exactly as yours
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| 08:47 | <denisesball> ive tried a few different things i thought would work (comparing to the stock ubuntu local dhcpd.conf file) and didnt have any luck
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| 08:47 | <dobber> only i have a next-server option
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| 08:47 | <denisesball> well this config does work right now
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| 08:47 | its just not working for the new server
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| 08:47 | are you "filename" lines the same?
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| 08:48 | <dobber> so, what is the error message ?
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| 08:48 | <denisesball> because on the ubuntu ltsp those are very different, im pretty sure i need to change them. i'll try the next-server option too if you like but i still think that needs to change
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| 08:48 | <dobber> http://pastebin.com/AN5WmRJc
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| 08:48 | this is mine
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| 08:49 | i'm with the new ubuntu
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| 08:49 | <denisesball> ok i did try thos lines. so maybe all i need is the next-server
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| 08:49 | let me try
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| 08:51 | <dobber> The next-server statement is used to specify the host address of the server from which the initial boot file (specified in the filename
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| 08:51 | statement) is to be loaded. Server-name should be a numeric IP address or a domain name. If no next-server parameter applies to a given
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| 08:51 | client, the DHCP server's IP address is used.
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| 08:52 | <denisesball> yeah i just dont have that for the older servers so not sure how those are working
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| 08:52 | ok i got a tftp open timeout this time with this config:
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| 08:52 | http://pastebin.com/nFD8r0VK
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| 08:53 | <dobber> thats exactly like mine
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| 08:53 | <denisesball> yeah, tftp open timeout pxe-e32
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| 08:53 | i dont need dhcp running on the actual ltsp server right?
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| 08:54 | <dobber> yes you can stop it
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| 08:54 | <denisesball> it is stopped, i was just curious
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| 08:54 | <dobber> so next step is to fix your tftpd server :)
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| 08:54 | <denisesball> what could i be missing then? the server worked perfectly before as its own dhcp server
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| 08:54 | root 959 1 0 May25 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/in.tftpd --listen --user tftp --address 0.0.0.0:69 --secure /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 08:54 | i see it running
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| 08:55 | <dobber> is this on 10.170.5.245;
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| 08:55 | <denisesball> yeah
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| 08:55 | <dobber> so, go to /var/lib/tftpd/ltsp/i385
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| 08:55 | and open pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 08:56 | <denisesball> ok, its open
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| 08:57 | did you want to see it?
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| 08:57 | <dobber> http://pastebin.com/pSPKsVve
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| 08:57 | this is mine
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| 08:57 | <denisesball> only thing different is the nbdport
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| 08:57 | mine is 2001
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| 08:58 | thats all stock though, i havent touched it
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| 08:58 | <dobber> so what was the client error again ?
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| 08:58 | <denisesball> and 2000 and 2001 are both open ports on my server
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| 08:58 | pxe-e32: tftp open timeout
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| 08:59 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:59 | <alkisg> Hi Scotty
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| 08:59 | <dobber> it's 17:00 here :)
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| 08:59 | <sbalneav> alkisg: hey ho, got a sec?
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| 08:59 | <alkisg> Sure
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| 09:00 | dobber: hey, we're on the same timezone, where are you?
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| 09:00 | <dobber> bulgaria
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| 09:00 | <alkisg> Ah, right below ya :)
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| 09:00 | <dobber> greece ?
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| 09:00 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 09:00 | <sbalneav> alkisg: So, I don't know if you saw, but I updated xexit.
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| 09:00 | <dobber> nice to meet ya
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| 09:00 | dont block the borders this summer please
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| 09:01 | <sbalneav> it now fully detects a disconnect of a thin client.
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| 09:01 | <dobber> we need some beaches :)
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| 09:01 | <sbalneav> I actually yanked the powercord on a loggen in thin client, and all processes terminated within 15 seconds.
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| 09:01 | <dobber> denisesball do you have a firewall ?
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| 09:02 | <alkisg> sbalneav: good! We 'd appreciate a package of it that (at least) replaces gnome-watch dog, would you like testing?
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| 09:02 | <sbalneav> give it a test if you get a chance, it's in my PPA
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| 09:02 | <alkisg> Sure
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| 09:02 | dobber: heh, nah, we need the tourism in this economy :)
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| 09:02 | <denisesball> dobber: no, everything should be open. this terminal boots off the other term servers no problem
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| 09:03 | <alkisg> denisesball: ls -lha /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 <= is that file there?
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| 09:03 | <denisesball> yep, remember its the same as yours just a different port?
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| 09:04 | <dobber> alkisg i hear it's pretty grim right now ?
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| 09:04 | <alkisg> Yeah, it doesn't look good
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| 09:04 | denisesball: the port (2000 and 2001) is for nbd, not for tftp
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| 09:04 | <dobber> dont let those anarchist take over the country :)
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| 09:04 | <denisesball> ok, either way both are open
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| 09:06 | <dobber> denisesball
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| 09:06 | <denisesball> sorry, fat fingered. did i miss anything?
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| 09:07 | <dobber> what is the network card of your client
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| 09:07 | <alkisg> denisesball: the tftp port is 69. Can you install tftp-hpa (=the tftp client) on a pc, and try to get a file from the ltsp/tftp server?
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| 09:08 | <dobber> there seems to be a report about broken RTL 8139 chipset cards
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| 09:08 | <denisesball> i know this term works cuz it worked with the server as the dhcp server, let me try that
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| 09:10 | <dobber> alkisg sbalneav do you know a good reason why the thin client freezes while booting up
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| 09:10 | before ldm
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| 09:10 | 1 out of 5 reboots
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| 09:11 | INFO: task rsyslogd:443 blocked for more than 120 seconds.
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| 09:11 | there seems to be a bug report
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| 09:12 | it says that this message is a generic one, and the problem is not in the kernel
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| 09:12 | but i can't find out what program is causing it
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| 09:12 | <alkisg> Did you try without quiet/splash?
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| 09:12 | <dobber> yeah, i'm echoing almost every line in ltsp-client-setup and ltsp-client-core
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| 09:13 | but it freezes in different places
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| 09:13 | <alkisg> That in Lucid?
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| 09:13 | <dobber> most comonly in start_sound
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| 09:13 | yes
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| 09:13 | <alkisg> Er, try with SOUND=False then to see if that makes a difference
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| 09:13 | <denisesball> dobber: i think the existing servers are working because they are using nfs to boot. they dont have tftp running and are sharing /opt/ltsp in their /etc/exports
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| 09:14 | <dobber> i'll try
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| 09:14 | <denisesball> so that explains how they are working and why they didnt have next-server specified
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| 09:15 | <dobber> denisesball yeah but what is the boot manager then ?
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| 09:15 | <denisesball> if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "PXEClient" {
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| 09:15 | filename "/pxe/eb-5.0.9-3c905b-tpo100.lzpxe";
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| 09:15 | } else if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "Etherboot" {
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| 09:15 | filename "/lts/vmlinuz-2.6.17.8-ltsp-1";
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| 09:15 | thats what they boot, certainly not pxelinux
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| 09:16 | <fly23> can somebody tell me how to change settings reported by ldminfod ?
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| 09:17 | especially the session: settings
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| 09:17 | <alkisg> gedit `which ldminfod`
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| 09:18 | denisesball: "they dont have tftp running" ==> you can't boot from network without tftp
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| 09:19 | <fly23> alkisg: thx!
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| 09:19 | <alkisg> AFTER tftp you can use either nfs or nbd, but tftp is required.
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| 09:20 | <denisesball> alkisg: not sure then. none of the existing servers have a tftp server running, neither does the dhcp server
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| 09:21 | <alkisg> denisesball: you can see if tftp is running by doing: sudo netstat -nap | grep :69
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| 09:21 | It might NOT be in the processes list if it runs from inetd
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| 09:22 | <denisesball> ah ok, it is running on the dhcp server out of inetd
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| 09:23 | <dobber> denisesball that's why you didn't need next-server option before :)
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| 09:23 | <denisesball> yep, makes sense. now why isnt the next-option working for the new one? :P
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| 09:23 | <dobber> it's working
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| 09:23 | but you have a tftpd problem now
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| 09:23 | not dhcp
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| 09:24 | <alkisg> It might be a dhcp problem, if those settings never reach the client (wrong syntax or mac or something)
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| 09:24 | But it's easier to verify tftp first, by installing a tftp client.
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| 09:24 | <denisesball> yep. getting there
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| 09:25 | but if tftp is working from this client to an old server. and if tftp worked on the new server before i shut off dhcp and its on the same network. i dont see how it could be a tftp problem
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| 09:26 | <alkisg> Ah, you tried the new server only and it was working? Then it sounds more of a dhcp problem.
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| 09:26 | <denisesball> yeah it was without the introduction of the separate dhcp server
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| 09:26 | http://pastebin.com/8Jw4AFQt
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| 09:26 | that is my current config as of right now
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| 09:27 | 10.170.5.245 is the new server IP
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| 09:27 | <alkisg> But now the dhcp server is not the ltsp server, right?
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| 09:27 | So where's that file from? The dhcp server or the ltsp server?
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| 09:27 | <denisesball> i get the client ip/mask/dhcp/and gateway when booting pxe so its working. just failking on tftp
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| 09:27 | alkisg: where is what file from?
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| 09:28 | <alkisg> The one in the pastebin
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| 09:28 | <denisesball> no the dhcp is always separate on the prod network. i was in testing before. that stanza is excertped from my dhcp server
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| 09:28 | separate from all the term server
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| 09:28 | s
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| 09:28 | <denisesball> do i need to put 10.170.5.245: before the files maybe?
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| 09:29 | <alkisg> denisesball: there are some ways to actually see what the client receives
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| 09:29 | One is if you can boot it with some distro (live cd or something),
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| 09:29 | another is if you can boot it with gpxe (floppy, cd, stick...)
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| 09:29 | Is it possible to do one of those?
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| 09:30 | <denisesball> i am at the call center not the noc, let me check
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| 09:30 | <alkisg> E.g. gpxe shows this screen with all the information it got: http://wiki.jpoetry.net/_media/files:gpxe-003.png
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| 09:31 | <denisesball> damn, no i would have to go all the way back
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| 09:31 | let me try one thing
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| 09:32 | <alkisg> You can also increase verbosity in dhcpd.conf, but I don't use dhcp3-server, so I'm not sure of the details there.
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| 09:33 | <denisesball> let me try the tftp client first i suppose before i go all the way back to the shop
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| 09:34 | i'll have to use my laptop here and disconnect
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| 09:34 | be back in a few
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| 09:37 | <dobber> alkisg the gPXE thing looks awesome
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| 09:37 | thanks for the tip
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| 09:37 | <alkisg> Yeah it's the best thing for network booting, I've even booted over http with it (without using tftp)
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| 09:38 | <denisesball> looks like i dont have to disconnect, just using eth0 for that network only
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| 09:38 | <dobber> i'm gonna try it today
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| 09:40 | <denisesball> ok:
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| 09:40 | http://pastebin.com/WV2qJeAi
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| 09:40 | so maybe it is a tftp problem?
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| 09:40 | did i do that right? havent used tftp from cli in ages
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| 09:42 | <dobber> no
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| 09:42 | tftp is an ftp client
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| 09:42 | and does not speak to tftpd
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| 09:42 | <denisesball> are you sure?
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| 09:42 | <dobber> oh sorry
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| 09:42 | my bad
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| 09:42 | <alkisg> denisesball: I think so, I'm specifying the server in the command line though, tftp server
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| 09:43 | <denisesball> alkisg: whats your command? ill try it
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| 09:43 | <alkisg> tftp server
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| 09:43 | get /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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| 09:43 | <denisesball> oh lol
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| 09:43 | <alkisg> It shouldn't make any difference. Is your tftp server running on that PC? sudo netstat -nap|grep :69
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| 09:44 | And, is that file actually there? ls -lha /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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| 09:44 | If both of those are true, check for any firewalls.
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| 09:45 | <denisesball> http://pastebin.com/2LMZNMfe
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| 09:45 | all looks good
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| 09:45 | there cant be a firewall cuz it boots off the dhcp/other server no problem on the same subnet
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| 09:46 | is there a way to verify the port is open from point to point? like with telnet or nmap or something?
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| 09:46 | <alkisg> A firewall on the ltsp server?
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| 09:46 | <denisesball> alkisg: no definitely not, unless it comes with the ubuntu ltsp install
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| 09:46 | <alkisg> Did you use the alternate cd? Then no, I don't think so.
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| 09:46 | (or did you use the server cd?)
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| 09:47 | <denisesball> i think the server
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| 09:47 | <alkisg> I don't know about the server cd, it might have a firewall preinstalled. Don't know.
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| 09:47 | <denisesball> i dont see anything
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| 09:47 | <alkisg> sudo status ufw
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| 09:47 | sudo stop ufw, etc etc
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| 09:48 | <denisesball> jjarzynka@termserver2:/var/log$ sudo status ufw
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| 09:48 | ufw start/running
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| 09:48 | ruh roh
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| 09:50 | <alkisg> Also verify that you can download that file by running `tftp localhost` from the ltsp server
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| 09:50 | <denisesball> alkisg: good idea
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| 09:50 | i stopped ufw, but still timing out remotely, let me try that
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| 09:51 | jjarzynka@termserver2:/var/log$ tftp localhost
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| 09:51 | tftp> get /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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| 09:51 | tftp: pxelinux.0: Permission denied
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| 09:51 | wtf
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| 09:52 | maybe i have to restart tftpd after stopping ufw
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| 09:54 | still permission denied. is there a config file for ltsp or something?
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| 09:55 | <dobber> didn't you had "time out" problem ?
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| 09:55 | not "permission denied"
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| 09:55 | <denisesball> time out was remotely
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| 09:55 | locally is permission denied
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| 09:56 | <dobber> http://pastebin.com/M5A9Uspv
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| 09:57 | <denisesball> ok after removing ufw and rebooting, i can now tftp locally
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| 09:57 | jjarzynka@termserver2:~$ tftp localhost
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| 09:57 | tftp> get /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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| 09:57 | Received 14928 bytes in 0.0 seconds
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| 09:57 | still getting timed out remotely though
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| 09:58 | <dobber> does it work from dhcp server ?
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| 09:58 | <denisesball> oh shit
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| 10:02 | got it! thanks guys
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| 10:03 | <dobber> you're welcome
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| 10:04 | <denisesball> nice pretty purple ubuntu plymouth boot was a sight for sore eyes
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| 10:33 | <dobber> cya guys
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| 10:33 | <denisesball> ok guys, what does it mean when i can ssh to the termserver as any user, but i ldm is saying "no response from server"
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| 10:34 | <_UsUrPeR_> Ok, so I just upgraded a LTSP server from 9.10 to 10.04. After getting everything back in order, It appears that the server is attempting to point the clients towards an amd64 image. Here's some logs pertaining to this: http://pastebin.com/qJYhQ9MK . Why is the server point towards an amd64 image? After an ln -s, I was able to get the clients to boot just fine.
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| 10:35 | <denisesball> _UsUrPeR_: check /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf, make sure its pointing to the right image
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| 10:36 | <alkisg> denisesball: if you changed the server IP, you need to run ltsp-update-sshkeys and ltsp-update-image
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| 10:36 | <_UsUrPeR_> here's a pastebin of my dhcpd.conf: http://pastebin.com/wfFkRsa5
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| 10:36 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: check /etc/inetd.conf
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| 10:36 | <denisesball> alkisg: yep, just found that on the wiki, thanks
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| 10:37 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: there it is
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| 10:37 | thanks
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| 10:37 | <denisesball> pesky inetd.conf, thats twice today!
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| 10:38 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg / denisesball: thx. it was /etc/inetd.conf
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| 11:40 | <sbalneav> win 1
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| 12:32 | <atkuepker> Does anyone have any suggestions for troubleshooting Intel video problems?
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| 12:34 | I'd read some Ubuntu 9.04 articles about going back to a previous release of the intel driver, but not sure if that's applicable on terminals.
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| 12:34 | <alkisg> What problems? I've seen cases where disabling compiz helps, and other cases where upgrading the kernel helps.
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| 12:34 | Or yeah, downgrading the kernel.
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| 12:34 | <johnny> or upgrading to lucid?
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| 12:35 | <atkuepker> we used the gconftool statement to switch to metacity, but that only extended the crash times from 30 minutes to 2-3 hours.
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| 12:35 | I have a Lucid test box here, but that causes crashes a couple times per day.
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| 12:36 | not that LUCID does, but the Intel video still crashes
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| 12:36 | installing Ubuntu's debug package for Intel drivers wouldn't help because that doesn't impact the chroot, right?
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| 12:37 | <alkisg> You could install it to the chroot... which card is this?
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| 12:39 | <atkuepker> I'm pretty sure it's the Intel 82915 that's onboard for this model
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| 12:39 | <alkisg> lspci -nn
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| 12:40 | <atkuepker> hmm. Dell says it should be an 82915 but lspci reports 82845
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| 12:41 | <alkisg> What's the full lspci -nn line?
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| 12:42 | <atkuepker> ah, my bad. I made a typo in the Dell specifications lookup *sigh*
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| 12:43 | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device [8086:2562] (rev 01)
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| 12:45 | <alkisg> And the lucid box crashes every time you use Xv video?
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| 12:45 | (totem etc)?
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| 12:46 | <atkuepker> no, sometimes under regular usage with firefox or Openoffice and always within 3 hours if the screen goes into sleep mode. Terminal won't wake up.
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| 12:46 | even with compiz turned off
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| 12:47 | <alkisg> Did you try disabling KMS? (nomodeset or i915.modeset=false in pxelinux.cfg/default)
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| 12:48 | See also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/541492
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| 12:48 | ...and, better ask in ubuntu-x, you'll get more knowledgable answers there than here in ltsp
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| 12:48 | <atkuepker> I don't know much about KMS. I'll check into that.
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| 12:50 | Would having the stock Ubuntu chroot vs. one from the LTSP PPA make any difference here?
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| 12:50 | <alkisg> Not really, it should be a kernel / driver problem, completely unrelated to ltsp
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| 12:50 | You could use a ppa for a different kernel though
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| 12:52 | <alkisg> E.g. this worked for my intel 855: https://launchpad.net/~brian-rogers/+archive/experimental
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| 12:55 | <atkuepker> just a matter of added that to sources.list and running `aptitude update && aptitude upgrade` ?
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| 13:07 | <lionnie> hi every one
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| 14:00 | <denisesball> you guys have any way to troubleshoot why gnome-screensaver is not working? i'm getting segfaults like:
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| 14:00 | [12427.672532] gnome-screensav[7110]: segfault at 0 ip (null) sp 00007fff6bfd97b8 error 14 in gnome-screensaver[400000+27000]
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| 14:21 | <LX01> hi
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| 14:22 | i need help with k12 ltsp for fedora 13
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| 14:24 | vltsp-build-client
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| 14:24 | ERROR: fc13 is unsupported.
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| 14:25 | <johnny> then you need to talk to the authors..
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| 14:25 | he doesn't hang out here much anymore
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| 14:25 | what did you type in?
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| 14:25 | if you used --dist fc13.. don't bother.. it's unnecessary
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| 14:26 | <johnny> and if as regular.. then you should probably file a bug and mention fedora in the title
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| 14:34 | <LX01> :s
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| 14:55 | <LX01> Please join irc.freenode.net channel #ltsp for online chat. Upon joining please state that you are using K12Linux, ask your question then wait a while because people may not answer immediately. Most of the time however, asking for help on the
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| 14:55 | <johnny> that's not fair of them
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| 14:56 | i don't know anybody here who uses that regulary who is a developer
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| 14:56 | most people use ubuntu or debian
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| 14:56 | so.. we have no idea of the status
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| 14:56 | <LX01> :s
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| 14:57 | <johnny> thus why i suggested the bug report
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| 14:57 | <dobber_> everyone and his dog now have their own linux distro
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| 14:58 | <alkisg> Where's a good place to add functionality such as "a small script that enables automatic cups printer sharing on a fat client, when CUPS_PRINTER_SHARING=True in lts.conf"? Maybe we should create an ltsp-setup.d?
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| 14:59 | <johnny> dobber_, huh?
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| 14:59 | this distro was one of the early ltsp efforts
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| 14:59 | <dobber_> i'm just speaking out of context, sorry for my bashing
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| 14:59 | <johnny> it existed before the ubuntu one did
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| 15:00 | the last person to work on it, was warren
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| 15:00 | and warren left redhat
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| 15:00 | <dobber_> didnt know ltsp had such a long history
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| 15:00 | <LX01> :)
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| 15:02 | <johnny> ltsp has been around for 10 years now
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| 15:02 | or is it 11 now..
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| 15:02 | <LX01> ltsp only debian xD
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| 15:03 | <johnny> the initial version was based off redhat
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| 15:03 | and it was a completely seperate distro altogether
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| 15:03 | nowadays.. it's built using the distro's own tools
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| 15:03 | <LX01> redhat :O
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| 15:04 | <dobber_> well, i found out about ltsp 3 weeks ago
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| 15:04 | the next week i had 1 fat server and 8 thin clients
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| 15:04 | <johnny> yes:)
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| 15:05 | <dobber_> and now i'm starting to think about making a business out of it
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| 15:16 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3-e9J_JPNg&feature=player_embedded#!
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| 15:23 | <Lns> dobber_: looks like the new eee keyboard :) what's the hardware in it?
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| 15:26 | <dobber_> 512 MB DDR2-RAM
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| 15:26 | 2xUSB-Ports, 100-MBit-LAN
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| 15:26 | sd card reader
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| 15:26 | <Lns> dobber_: i mean the chipset specifically...is it a geode, via, ..?
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| 15:26 | <dobber_> 1ghz cpu
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| 15:26 | dunno
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| 15:26 | <Lns> you don't work for them?
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| 15:27 | <dobber_> no
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| 15:27 | <Lns> oh ok =p
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| 15:27 | <dobber_> | |
| 15:27 | <Lns> dobber_: if you're thinking about making a business out of support for thin clients/ltsp, lemme know. THat's what I do, I'd like to help you out =)
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| 15:28 | <dobber_> thank you Lns
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| 15:28 | i'm almost convinced that this is the road for me
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| 15:30 | <Lns> =)
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| 15:30 | Very glad to hear more people willing to push for this technology
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| 15:31 | <dobber_> i think it's awesome
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| 15:32 | it gives so much options for business
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| 15:34 | not to mention that in my country all of as have 100mbit connection to the ISP internet network
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| 15:36 | <Lns> woah
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| 15:37 | you could throw an ltsp-cluster at the ISP level and lease computers!
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| 15:37 | that would be cooooooool
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| 15:37 | <dobber_> Lns that's exactly what i was thinking
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| 15:38 | <vagrantc> which country has 100mbit?
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| 15:38 | <tuxcrafter> is this the channel for dhcpd3-server questions
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| 15:38 | <Lns> tuxcrafter: if it's related to ltsp... :)
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| 15:38 | <tuxcrafter> http://debian.pastebin.com/QZg1uEHx I need to get multiple domain searches working with dhcpd for the windows xp client
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| 15:38 | the linux clients work fine
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| 15:39 | <dobber_> vagrantc bulgaria, and i exagerate a bit
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| 15:40 | <dobber_> not to mention that in my country all of as have 100mbit connection to the ISP internet network
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| 15:40 | s/internet/internal/
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| 15:40 | s/all/most/
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| 15:40 | <tuxcrafter> how sorry ltsp has nothing to do with dhcpd :D
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| 15:41 | <Lns> tuxcrafter: it does, just doesn't have much to do with windows clients ;)
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| 15:42 | oh man, I just about pooped my pants. browser.startup.homepage in firefox^Wiceweasel actually works in debian!!! oh my, will my techs be happy about that next school year :)
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| 15:42 | happy happy happy
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| 15:43 | <vagrantc> hm?
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| 15:44 | <Lns> vagrantc: oh i just spent the past 3 YEARS trying to get it fixed in ubuntu. in debian it just works like it's supposed to..edit /etc/iceweasel/pref/iceweasel.js and add the lockPref for browser.startup.homepage ... it works. It never did in ubuntu, 7.04 all the way to ..lucid? is it working there?
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| 15:45 | you had to do all sorts of crazy workarounds in ubuntu, and even then it hardly ever worked
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| 15:45 | <vagrantc> oh, nice.
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| 15:45 | i could make use of that...
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| 15:45 | <Lns> last i saw it had something to do with the ubufox add-on and all the stuff they do regarding switching homepages during launch
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| 15:45 | <dobber_> lns /etc/thunderbird/pref/... works too
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| 15:46 | <Lns> dobber_: cool!
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| 15:46 | <dobber_> i dont know about you, but i dont like the new thunderbird 3
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| 15:47 | too much memory
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| 15:47 | so mailnews.database.global.indexer.enabled and mail.server.default.autosync_offline_stores goes to false
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| 15:47 | <Lns> yeah i switched off that indexer thing as soon as it upgraded
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| 15:47 | i use imap for a reason!
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| 15:48 | i like it though, it seems more responsive than 2.x overall..the buttons are different locations which i'm kinda used to now, the tabs are kinda cool but i haven't made much use of them yet
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| 15:50 | <atkuepker> Lns: what got fixed?
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| 15:50 | <Lns> atkuepker: ?
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| 15:50 | <atkuepker> that which you spent 3 years try to get fixed
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| 15:51 | <dobber_> mandatory default homepage config option
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| 15:52 | <atkuepker> ah, that WOULD be nice. some of my users have some difficulty with that.
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| 15:53 | <Lns> the best workaround i had, unfortunately, was to install the ubufox add-on from 8.10 into 8.04..that put the homepage to the ubuntu google homepage and i think that was lock-able or something. Still got complaints though
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| 15:54 | <alkisg> Lns, you can specify the home page with a user.js file, and even lock it
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| 15:54 | <alkisg> (along with all other firefox options)
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| 15:55 | <Lns> alkisg: i think i tried that. the browser.startup.homepage one was the only one that didn't get read/got overridden iirc
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| 15:55 | <alkisg> Lns, I've been using that for years, it works fine
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| 15:56 | E.g. I've got http://students.sch.gr as the locked homepage for my students
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| 15:56 | <Lns> I guess i'm special =p
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| 15:58 | <alkisg> Nah it was tricky to get it working, it changes places on each release
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| 15:58 | But once you put it in the correct place it works fine
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| 15:59 | <Lns> i think that's what frustrated me the most. It was like "oh, in this release i put it in /etc/xulrunner/... " then "Oh, you really put it in "/etc/firefox/pref/ ... " and "Oh, no you put it in /usr/lib/xulrunner/ ..."
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