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Channel log from 21 October 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:17 | <aks_> Hello everyone, I just download K12Linux F9 Release Candidate 1 iso image file which is 916.6 MB
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| 03:18 | the mime type is application/x-cd-image
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| 03:18 | i'm unable to figure out how to burn 916.6 MB on a CD, which is 703 MB of size
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| 03:18 | any solutions?
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| 03:21 | hello
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| 03:25 | <Q-FUNK> odd size indeed
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| 06:44 | <samt_> Hey can anyone tell me if there away to detect if your on the Thin client or server in a bash script
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| 06:46 | <highvoltage> on the client, you mean, when running things from the chroot?
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| 06:46 | or from the X session on the client?
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| 06:48 | <samt_> X session, I have been using localapps on ubuntu 8.10 (works well) to run firefox and flash I just want to create a menu item
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| 06:50 | <ogra> samt_, ldm sets LTSP_CLIENT and exports it on login, just look for that variable
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| 06:52 | <samt_> Ahhhh Ok I'll have a try
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| 06:52 | Thanks for your help
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| 07:54 | <ace_suares> !seen ogra
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| 07:54 | <ltspbot> ace_suares: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 1 hour, 4 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <ogra> samt_, ldm sets LTSP_CLIENT and exports it on login, just look for that variable
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| 07:54 | <ace_suares> hi all long time no see
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| 07:55 | Just a quick question, I have a hardy64bit ltsp server and a hardy32bit, on the 64 bit my thin client ( a thin can dbe61) works fine.
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| 07:56 | But on the 32 bit, the screen stays black. Also, the 32bit console shows ubuntu spalsh, but the thin client shows kubuntu splash. What am I missing here ?
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| 08:09 | <Blinny> After a few cups packages update on October 16th my thin clients are no longer accepting jobs.
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| 08:09 | Port 9100 on these clients is unavailable even though the host is up
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| 08:13 | When I start and stop the printer using the cups interface, I receive the message "recoverable: Network host 'ws0-005' is busy; will retry in XXX seconds.." where XXX goes up from 5 to 10 to ...
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| 08:13 | This is on Hardy Heron fully updated - again, printers not attached to thin clients have no problems.
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| 08:23 | The two problematic printers in question are the only ones that have the address socket://ws0-005:9100 -- The working printers have something like "hp:/net/HP_LaserJet_5P?ip=192.168.168.35"
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| 08:31 | <Blinny> I tried changing the device URI to (similar to the JetDirect printers) "hp:/net/HP_OfficeJet_4100?ip=192.168.0.5" but I received this in the debug log: "prnt/backend/hp.c 496: unable to connect hpssd socket 2207: Connection refused"
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| 08:35 | <pscheie> ogra, ping
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| 08:38 | <ogra> pscheie, pong, i'm in massive release preparation and testing atm so dont have much time for ltsp
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| 08:38 | <pscheie> just a quick yes/no question:
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| 08:38 | <stgraber> ogra: btw, TB in 20min (if I'm not wrong with my timezones)
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| 08:38 | <ogra> stgraber, i'll be there :)
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| 08:39 | <pscheie> did I see/hear that you're working on enabling customization of the client login screen?
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| 08:39 | <ogra> pscheie, i'm rewriting the gui to be more themeable
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| 08:39 | but that will still take some time
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| 08:39 | <pscheie> cool! tx
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| 08:39 | <ogra> i want all items to be freely placeable without influenceing each other
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| 08:40 | and i design it in a way that makes it easy to replace items with new ones ... i.e. add an analogue clock instead of the digital one etc if you add one extra function for it
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| 08:41 | <pscheie> is this just for the login screen, or for after the user logs in, too?
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| 08:42 | oh, I see, if you wanted to put a clock on the login screen
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| 08:42 | <ogra> right
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| 08:43 | its only the greeter ui i rewrite
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| 08:43 | i wont touch any other bits of ldm yet
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| 08:43 | <pscheie> that's all I'm interested in ATM
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| 08:43 | <ogra> so the functionallity will stay exactly the same you are just able to tinker with the themes more easily
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| 08:44 | <pscheie> sounds great!
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| 08:44 | <ogra> i.e. put your logo where you want and size wont matter anymore, put clock, hostname or inputbox in freely chooseable places
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| 08:44 | etc etc
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| 08:45 | <pscheie> how do you envision the admin would configure that? some sort of config file? text based?
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| 08:45 | <ogra> a text based theme file setting variables, it will be in the themes
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| 08:47 | <ogra> so it will have to be shipped with the theme you want
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| 08:47 | but i'm hardcoding defaults that will be used if you dont supply that file
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| 08:47 | so it looks like the current one by default
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| 08:47 | <pscheie> right, but it sounds likes it would be easy to drop in a different theme file
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| 08:47 | <ogra> right
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| 08:48 | <pscheie> meaning people could create custom theme files and share them
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| 08:48 | <ogra> well, it is already, but you have to regard the size constraints and fixed positions
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| 08:48 | <pscheie> greater community participation
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| 08:48 | <ogra> they can already :)
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| 08:48 | but there are to many restrictions
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| 08:49 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:49 | <cliebow> Scottie!!
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| 08:49 | <ogra> !s
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| 08:49 | <ltspbot> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:50 | <pscheie> ogra, what/where is the theme file?
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| 08:50 | <sbalneav> Hey Hey!
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| 08:51 | So, I've been running the > < /dev/null patches for a day now on one of my smaller servers.
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| 08:51 | <ogra> pscheie, /usr/share/ldm/themes
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| 08:51 | pscheie, ubuntu ships 5 themes, debian three afaik
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| 08:51 | opensuse has one they ship, no idea about fedora
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| 08:52 | <sbalneav> Apart from one bonobo-activation server, everything's cleaned out perfectly. No gconfd's, no panels, no nothing.
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| 08:52 | So, I'm going to try it tonight on one of my big (45+ users) servers, and we'll see how it goes.
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| 08:53 | If it's A-OK, I'll get a patch set to you by thursday ogra
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| 08:54 | <ogra> sbalneav, feel free (with the limitations i mentioned before, i'm to busy the next 9 days for SRUs)
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| 08:55 | <sbalneav> Not a problem.
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| 09:25 | <stgraber> ogra: "Building Thin Client system", so far no problem with the install
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| 09:25 | <ogra> \o/
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| 09:26 | * ogra watches #ubuntu-meeting | |
| 09:26 | <stgraber> it's debootstraping the chroot
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| 09:26 | * stgraber too | |
| 09:26 | <stgraber> (and a few KVM doing iso testing)
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| 09:26 | <ogra> Q-FUNK causing a lot of discussion there :P
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| 09:26 | <Q-FUNK> ?
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| 09:26 | <stgraber> yeah
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| 09:27 | <Q-FUNK> what? where? when?
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| 09:27 | <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda
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| 09:27 | <stgraber> ogra: failed
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| 09:28 | <ogra> argh
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| 09:28 | logs ?
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| 09:28 | <stgraber> ogra: Failed to fetch file://cdrom.../Release Unable to find expected entry
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| 09:28 | universe/binary
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| 09:28 | so that's the universe thing ...
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| 09:28 | <ogra> argh !
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| 09:28 | argh, argh, argh !!!
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| 09:29 | <Q-FUNK> ah yes, limitted upload rights
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| 09:29 | <stgraber> yeah, this one must be turned of when installing from the cd-rom
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| 09:29 | <ogra> stgraber, yeah, using the --components switch in BUILD_CLIENT_OPTIONS
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| 09:31 | <gate_keeper_> why in the ubuntu newest versions there's no need to setup lts.conf file ..
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| 09:32 | <sbalneav> gate_keeper_: Because most things are auto-detected now
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| 09:34 | <johnny> sbalneav, i had an idea
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| 09:34 | <ogra> and thats not restricted to the newest version :)
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| 09:34 | johnny, OMG, really ?
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| 09:35 | <johnny> lts.conf variables that let you point different clients to different nfs roots or nbd images
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| 09:35 | it will work in ubuntu and debian.. but not gentoo and fedora yet..
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| 09:36 | <gate_keeper_> anyways i'm having problems with the X server on ltsp, it's causing huge lo traffic on X11 ports
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| 09:36 | TCP; lo; 116 bytes; from 127.0.0.1:6015 to 127.0.0.1:32880; first packet
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| 09:36 | TCP; lo; 52 bytes; from 127.0.0.1:32925 to 127.0.0.1:6047; first packet
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| 09:36 | etc..
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| 09:36 | that's causing to slow down the whole system (application etc..)
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| 09:39 | <sbalneav> Where's the loopback traffic? On the server?
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| 09:40 | <gate_keeper_> yup
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| 09:40 | <sbalneav> and TCP traffic on loopback shouldn't slow anything down.
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| 09:40 | <gate_keeper_> for 34 users
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| 09:40 | <sbalneav> What programs are generating the traffic?
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| 09:40 | <gate_keeper_> after turning on the server for couple of minutes the traffic goes to 100Mbits
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| 09:41 | everything is working fine for short time
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| 09:42 | <sbalneav> Well, you need to identify what programs are generating the traffic.
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| 09:42 | <gate_keeper_> the users commonly use firefox, openoffice and skype ..
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| 09:42 | <ogra> if you say "newest" does that mean you are testing ubuntu 8.10 ?
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| 09:42 | <gate_keeper_> sure
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| 09:43 | still 8.04.1
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| 09:43 | <gate_keeper_> maybe i'll switch to 8.10
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| 09:43 | i'll see
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| 09:43 | <Guevara> hi
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| 09:44 | anyboby helpme?
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| 09:44 | <sbalneav> Guevara: Ask your question
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| 09:45 | <Guevara> hi sbalneav how i can run virtualbox under ubuntu with ltsp?
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| 09:45 | <_UsUrPeR_> virtualbox? Like VMware?
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| 09:45 | <johnny> yes..
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| 09:45 | <sbalneav> gate_keeper_: Well, first thing you need to do is figure out what traffic's being generated.
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| 09:45 | <Guevara> i install windows on virtualbox
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| 09:45 | <johnny> Guevara, try harder
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| 09:45 | what are you trying to do exactly?
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| 09:45 | <neW1> omg
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| 09:46 | <neW1> Guevara, expalin your set up first
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| 09:46 | explain*
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| 09:46 | <sbalneav> Guevara: I don't know anything about virtualbox, or if it will run on a thin client environment
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| 09:46 | <Guevara> distribute windows on computers, but the server is ubuntu 8.04 with ltsp
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| 09:46 | <neW1> Guevara, no
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| 09:46 | you can't
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| 09:46 | <johnny> Guevara, it's prolly best to set your SCREEN_07=rdesktop
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| 09:47 | <neW1> the ltsp make his own image
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| 09:47 | <johnny> and then set virtualbox to run the headless rdp option
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| 09:47 | <neW1> of the ubuntu and that image is what users are loading on the thin clinets
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| 09:47 | <johnny> i don't know how to do it, but it should work
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| 09:47 | <gate_keeper_> u have to setup bridged network for the vmware eth interface, dhcp server..
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| 09:47 | <johnny> but you do have to run ltsp-built-client first
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| 09:47 | <Guevara> yes, i see this line rdesktop, but how the client see se virtualbox with windows
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| 09:47 | ?
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| 09:47 | <johnny> and do the bridging gate_keeper is mentioning
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| 09:48 | <Guevara> i have ubuntu build on the machine, and run perfect on the client
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| 09:48 | <gate_keeper_> sbalneav: thx,
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| 09:48 | <Guevara> but now, i need windows on the clients
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| 09:49 | <sbalneav> Guevara: Do you need all of windows, or are you just trying to get one application working?
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| 09:49 | Perhaps your program will work under Wine.
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| 09:49 | <gate_keeper_> u can do windows terminal service if u want windows on the machines
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| 09:49 | or simply rdesktop
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| 09:50 | <Guevara> yes., but works under ubuntu ? how configure the lts.conf for reed virtualbox?
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| 09:50 | <johnny> lts.conf is just SCREEN_num=rdesktop
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| 09:51 | the rest is ubuntu configuration, to setup the bridged networking as gate_keeper_ mentioned
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| 09:51 | <Guevara> ok johnny, but how the lts.conf find the virtualbox?
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| 09:51 | <johnny> not necessarily related to tls.conf
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| 09:51 | Guevara, magic of rdp i guess? lol
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| 09:51 | <Guevara> ok
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| 09:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> !pastebot
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| 09:51 | <johnny> i don't really know
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| 09:51 | <ltspbot> _UsUrPeR_: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 09:51 | <Guevara> lol
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| 09:51 | <johnny> i don't and will never use windows for that..
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| 09:52 | * _UsUrPeR_ nods head | |
| 09:52 | <sbalneav> Guevara: virtualbox will not work as an LTSP application. You'll need to either 1) Run your windows server with remote Terminal Services, and use the rdesktop to connect to the windows server, or 2) try to run the program you want under Wine.
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| 09:52 | <johnny> sbalneav, you can run windows in virtualbox and connect to it via ltsp
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| 09:52 | <Guevara> sbalneav: =/ so, i need 2 machines, correct?
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| 09:52 | <johnny> with rdesktop
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| 09:52 | <gate_keeper_> why Virtualbox, Vmware Server is better choice
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| 09:52 | <johnny> virtualbox itself has a native rdp interface
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| 09:53 | <Guevara> i can ou no?
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| 09:53 | <johnny> gate_keeper_, virtualbox is open source!
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| 09:53 | <_UsUrPeR_> I have had great luck with VMware server
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| 09:53 | <gate_keeper_> :))
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| 09:53 | <neW1> i would go with virtualbox 2.0
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| 09:53 | <Guevara> johnny: the conclusion is the virtualbox works on ltsp?
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| 09:54 | <sbalneav> Bowing out of this conversation. Too many cooks working on this broth.
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| 09:54 | <johnny> Guevara, it can if you connect to it remotely with rdp
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| 09:55 | but you need to setup the briding
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| 09:55 | <Guevara> just put the line on lts.conf?
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| 09:55 | <johnny> and the bridging on the server
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| 09:55 | but that's not at all related to ltsp
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| 09:55 | <Guevara> briding on the virtualbox?
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| 09:55 | <ltsppbot> "_UsUrPeR_" pasted "/ets/hosts file in Ubuntu Hardy" (5 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/60
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| 09:55 | <_UsUrPeR_> can someone take a look at this and tell me why it's not properly assigning a hostname to my ltsp client? This is being run on ubuntu.
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| 09:56 | <Blinny> _UsUrPeR_: What do the logs say?
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| 09:56 | <johnny> _UsUrPeR_, this is why i just use dnsmasq :)
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| 09:56 | <Blinny> dhcpd may need the closing stanza on its own line, but that's just a guess
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| 09:57 | <_UsUrPeR_> Blinny: logs don't really say anything. If it doesn't appear in /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog, where would it go? :P
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| 09:57 | * _UsUrPeR_ looks at dnsmasq | |
| 09:58 | <ltsppbot> "neW1" pasted "/etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf example" (7 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/61
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| 09:58 | <neW1> _UsUrPeR_, take a look
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| 09:59 | <_UsUrPeR_> new1: thanks
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| 09:59 | <Guevara> sbalneav: students do not know how to use ubuntu, so windows must be put in the machine, but using VirtualBox in Ubuntu
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| 09:59 | <sbalneav> _UsUrPeR_: You need to make sure get-lease-hostnames is set to true
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| 10:00 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: where does that go?
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| 10:00 | <sbalneav> Usually in the subnet declaration, but could be global.
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| 10:00 | <_UsUrPeR_> nm, dhcpd.conf :)
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| 10:00 | <Guevara> I would not know how lts.conf line with the screen = rdesktop think the VirtualBox
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| 10:01 | <johnny> Guevara, get virtualbox and rdesktop working first, before making it work with ltsp
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| 10:01 | <sbalneav> Guevara: So, you have a lab, right?
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| 10:01 | How many machines
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| 10:01 | <Guevara> I saw the options in VirtualBox network configuration
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| 10:01 | yes sbalneav
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| 10:02 | 20 machines
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| 10:02 | <sbalneav> Ok, so you have 20 windows licenses, right?
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| 10:02 | <Guevara> no
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| 10:02 | lol
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| 10:02 | <johnny> then you can't do it :)
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| 10:03 | <Guevara> so I put an image of the windows in VirtualBox
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| 10:03 | why not?
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| 10:03 | <johnny> it's illegal
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| 10:03 | <sbalneav> Right, but how many windows licenses do you have?
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| 10:04 | <Guevara> a dont'no
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| 10:04 | i think 4 licences
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| 10:04 | <neW1> but man
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| 10:04 | you need a windows server for that
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| 10:04 | so that more that 1 can work in the same time
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| 10:05 | you need a windows terminal server
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| 10:05 | <sbalneav> Right, you haven't got enough windows licenses to be able to do what you want to do.
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| 10:05 | <johnny> or 4 windows XP virtualboxes neW1 :)
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| 10:05 | <neW1> or that
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| 10:05 | but there is no point in that
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| 10:05 | <johnny> neW1, there is if the local hardware sucks
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| 10:05 | or you don't have a hard drive
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| 10:05 | <Guevara> do not worry about the licenses, the important thing is getting the ltsp work with VirtualBox
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| 10:06 | <johnny> Guevara, first get virtualbox and rdp working with multiple computers
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| 10:06 | then come back to us
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| 10:06 | <sbalneav> Guevara: If the issue is "I want windows because the students don't know Linux", then why not just TEACH them Linux, and not have the windows at all?
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| 10:06 | <neW1> we ( gate_keeper_ ) and i have 50 users on a debian in the moment that has a pentium 4 processor and 2 gig's of ram
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| 10:06 | <Guevara> ok johnny
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| 10:06 | <Blinny> I have a problem where printing to thin clients recently stopped working after a cups update. I'm getting network timeouts in the cups debug logs and can't telnet to port 9100 of the thin clients. Printing to HP JetDirect networked printers still works OK.
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| 10:07 | <Guevara> because I am here in Brazil and the people are stupid sbalneav
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| 10:07 | <johnny> Blinny, so jetpipe is running locally ?
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| 10:07 | <sbalneav> Blinny: If you can't telnet to port 9100, then jetpipe isn't working
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| 10:07 | <Blinny> How can I test if jetpipe is running. Chroot and apt-cache policy?
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| 10:08 | <sbalneav> Blinny: Well, simplest would be to set a root password on the chroot, and then log in on one of the thin clients on ctrl-alt-f1
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| 10:08 | <Guevara> in Brazil does not respect the laws and do not leave, I am trying to decrease the amount of windows installed, this method could doportuguês » inglês Traduzir
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| 10:08 | <Blinny> already set a root pw so I can do that
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| 10:08 | What's the 2nd step if jetpipe isn't running?
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| 10:08 | <sbalneav> Guevara: I know lots of people from Brazil, and I've been down there twice. The people aren't stupid at all.
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| 10:08 | <johnny> try running it :)
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| 10:08 | see if stuff works
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| 10:09 | after manually starting it
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| 10:09 | <Blinny> (I'm asking b/c the thin clients w/ printers are in another building)
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| 10:09 | <johnny> well.. that's the next step would be to try to print
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| 10:09 | <Blinny> heh
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| 10:09 | <gate_keeper_> laters..
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| 10:09 | <Blinny> I know that doesn't work (;
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| 10:09 | <johnny> but mostly you need to see if it is erroring out
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| 10:09 | <Blinny> I mean if it _isn't_ running
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| 10:09 | <sbalneav> Blinny: Well, if jetpipe isn't running, then we need to find out why.
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| 10:09 | <johnny> sure.. so go figure out why it isn't starting
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| 10:09 | it might give you an error message
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| 10:09 | <sbalneav> We could fire it up right from the command prompt
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| 10:10 | <Guevara> I will try what Johnny said, turning the VirtualBox RDP in order to bridge
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| 10:10 | <Blinny> Looking in client's dmesg maybe?
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| 10:10 | <johnny> Blinny, no.. just type jetpipe
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| 10:10 | <Blinny> Cool. Back in a flash.
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| 10:10 | <johnny> and see if it errors
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| 10:10 | <Blinny> Thanks johnny, sbalneav
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| 10:10 | <johnny> Blinny, one sec!
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| 10:10 | <Blinny> Yah?
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| 10:10 | <johnny> if you want to try to troubleshoot remotely again.. enable ssh in the chroot
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| 10:10 | <sbalneav> Blinny: I think it's jetpipe /dev/lp0 or whatever
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| 10:10 | <johnny> and then reboot the box
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| 10:10 | <Blinny> OK.
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| 10:11 | <sbalneav> hold on, I can check
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| 10:11 | <johnny> yeah. let sbalneav tell you how to run it :)
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| 10:11 | <_UsUrPeR_> neW1: thanks for that snippet. That was exactly what I needed :D
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| 10:11 | <Blinny> sbalneav: This is a usb printer - should be /dev/usb/lp0
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| 10:11 | (I think)
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| 10:11 | <Blinny> Unless that's what changed... heh
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| 10:11 | <johnny> Blinny, if udev was decent enough.. the first printer should just be /dev/lp0 no matter what interface
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| 10:11 | <ogra> no
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| 10:11 | <johnny> i'm not sure.. i haven't done a local printer in ages tho
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| 10:12 | <ogra> it should be /dev/usblp0
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| 10:12 | for usb printers at leas
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| 10:12 | r
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| 10:12 | t
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| 10:12 | <johnny> that's ugly
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| 10:13 | <ogra> thats what udev assigns
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| 10:13 | <sbalneav> yeah, jetpipe /dev/usb/lp0 9100
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| 10:13 | <sbalneav> or whatever the device is
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| 10:13 | (I don't do local printers either, all mine have network cards in 'em)
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| 10:13 | jetpipe <device> 9100
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| 10:14 | <Blinny> Thanks sbalneav
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| 10:14 | brb
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| 10:14 | <sbalneav> k
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| 10:14 | <Guevara> thanks everybody
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| 10:14 | bye
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| 10:14 | <Blinny> I specify /dev/usb/lp0 in lts.conf
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| 10:14 | brb
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| 10:23 | <sbalneav> I'm happy to help someone out, but I'm not going to help someone use LTSP as a method to break copyright law. If we want companies to give us respect, we have to show them the same respect for their hard work.
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| 10:24 | <Q-FUNK> agreed
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| 10:24 | sbalneav: how's life out west?
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| 10:24 | <gonzaloaf_laptop> hello, what the dhcp file that ltsp5 uses?
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| 10:24 | hello, what's the dhcp file that ltsp5 uses?
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| 10:28 | <sbalneav> Q-FUNK: Not too shabby!
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| 10:28 | Q-FUNK: How's the job situation?
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| 10:29 | gonzaloaf_laptop: Usually, /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 10:29 | <stgraber> ogra: ... looks like it will take some more weeks/months/years before I finally get those upload rights ...
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| 10:29 | <ogra> stgraber, no, looks like you just need to apply for MOTU
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| 10:29 | and will get both approved
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| 10:29 | lets wait for the mail dscussion
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| 10:30 | <Q-FUNK> sbalneav: in suspense. I'm supposed to meet someone tomorrow for one possible job. even so, I still think that I'd like to work for Canonical on LTS maintenance issues, since LTS is basically the enterprise release at Ubuntu.
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| 10:30 | <devilbues> hi, I'm having this strange problem with some terminals on ltsp5 ubuntu, when I boot, the initrd gets the wrong network configuration
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| 10:30 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, and ? did you apply for a Cononical job ?
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| 10:30 | <devilbues> can someone help me
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| 10:31 | <ogra> devilbues, make sure there is only one dhcpd in your network
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| 10:31 | <stgraber> ogra: ... well I guess they'll need to change the definition of MOTU then (or at least mine) because IIRC it's Master of the Universe so I think it's a bit weird to get MOTU membership if you don't plan to touch Universe :) I'm still fine to ask for it but I just don't see why under the current definition I'd be approved
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| 10:31 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: applied for the Intel partnership amnager job. no response.
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| 10:31 | <ogra> give it some time ... HR is very busy these times
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| 10:32 | <devilbues> ogra: it is
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| 10:32 | only one dhcp server
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| 10:32 | <Q-FUNK> ok. could be. Artec was considering using the Atom chipset and I was the one negotiating that deal, so I'm quite familiar with the requirements.
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| 10:33 | <sbalneav> devilbues: Define "wrong network configuration". Could you give us more information?
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| 10:34 | <devilbues> ogra: I have network 10.0.0.0 and it gives me the network 192.168.1.0
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| 10:35 | <Blinny> OK so more information. At the console I got all kinds of nbd0 and squashfs errors from the network swapping
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| 10:35 | So, I rebooted the client and logged in as root, and jetpipe is now running
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| 10:36 | CUPS says 'The printer is now on-line' in the status (Other printers' statuses are blank), but when I print to it either via gedit or a test page, nothing happens
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| 10:36 | No errors in the cups debug log though (It used to say 'host is unavailable')
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| 10:36 | <sbalneav> devilbues: Then you need to fix up /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to match your network config
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| 10:36 | <Blinny> I can also now telnet to the thin client's port 9100
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| 10:37 | <devilbues> ogra: on the section: "IP-Config: eth0 guessed broadcast 192.168.1.255"
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| 10:38 | <sbalneav> Blinny: You'll probably need to do a cupsenable to kickstart the printer and clear out the job queue
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| 10:38 | <devilbues> ogra: it gets the correct ip on pxe boot, but gives-me this error before loading X
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| 10:38 | "IP-Config: eth0 guessed broadcast 192.168.1.255"
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| 10:38 | <Blinny> sbalneav: Yah I've turned it on and off a couple of times using localhost:631
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| 10:38 | <devilbues> on ltsp4 I don't have this problem
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| 10:38 | <ogra> devilbues, something that only happens if you have two dhcp servers usually
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| 10:39 | <Blinny> How can I get information about the local hand-off process from cups to jetpipe?
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| 10:39 | (I've logged into the client now)
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| 10:40 | Status is now "Print file sent, waiting for printer to finish..." but no sound or blinkinlights from the printer.
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| 10:41 | <devilbues> ogra: this never happens on ltsp4, I don't have 2 dhcp servers
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| 10:41 | it's driving me crazy
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| 10:41 | <Blinny> I even echoed fun to /dev/usb/lp0 but get 'Device or resource is busy'
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| 10:41 | <ogra> again, it is /dev/usblp0
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| 10:42 | * ogra goes back to release preparation | |
| 10:42 | <Blinny> ogra: So I should put _that_ in lts.conf?
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| 10:43 | <sbalneav> workping, back later
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| 10:43 | <Blinny> On my thin client /dev/usblp0 is a symbolic link to /dev/usb/lp0
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| 10:46 | <devilbues> ogra: you were right, sorry for my stupidity
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| 10:46 | ogra: there's a router somewhere with dhcp on
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| 10:56 | <Blinny> OK I can see the printer being connected/disconnected in dmesg when unplugging and plugging in the usb cable to the thin client
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| 10:57 | <Blinny> But now jetpipe has crashed or isn't running any more
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| 11:09 | <ogra> Blinny, jetpipe is supposed to shut down if the isnt there
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| 11:09 | it need to be there on boot
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| 11:09 | *needs
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| 11:09 | *if the device isnt
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| 11:10 | also socket:// is IPP exclusively
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| 11:12 | <Blinny> Thanks ogra. Thin clients use IPP don't they?
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| 11:13 | <ogra> right ... thats why they say JetDirect ....
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| 11:13 | tsk :9
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| 11:13 | <Blinny> Internet Printing Protocol I'm guessing
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| 11:13 | <ogra> Blinny, in case you didnt get the irony ... no they dont use or support IPP
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| 11:13 | <Blinny> So how have they worked for 6 months?
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| 11:14 | Or did the cups update change those things
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| 11:15 | <ogra> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cupsys
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| 11:16 | thats the update, nothing seems to have touched jetdirect at all
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| 11:16 | <Blinny> when I set up a new printer, using system-config-printer and add an HP JetDirect printer using the thin client's address it uses socket://
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| 11:16 | <ogra> well, whatever it uses, the thing it takes for jetdirect from the gui is the right thing
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| 11:17 | <Blinny> OK
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| 11:17 | I'm thinking my problem is further down the line. When I "echo fun > /dev/usblp0" nothing happens
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| 11:17 | <ogra> that sounds like a prob with your printer
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| 11:17 | <Blinny> Yah
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| 11:17 | <jammcq> hello friends
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| 11:17 | <Blinny> Just strange that it happened to two thin clients simultaneously
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| 11:17 | Hi jammcq
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| 11:18 | <jammcq> hey
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| 11:18 | <cliebow> jammcq:hope it was ok to add a participant
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| 11:18 | <Blinny> ogra: I'll begin working on the other thin client with a local printer; perhaps I can find something more from working at that one.
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| 11:18 | ogra: I know you're busy. Thanks for the help.
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| 11:18 | <ogra> works fine here btw
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| 11:18 | <jammcq> cliebow: absolutely
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| 11:18 | <ogra> with a deskjet 3320
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| 11:19 | <cliebow> sysadmin from collegeoftheatlantic..i forwarded his msg to you
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| 11:19 | <Blinny> OK
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| 11:22 | <moldy> hi
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| 11:23 | what do i need to do again to be able to change my password from a thin client on ubuntu?
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| 11:23 | it was something with that policy-kit stuff, right?
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| 11:27 | <johnny> moldy, there should be an option under administration
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| 11:28 | it happens to use policy-kit.. but you don't need to know anything about that
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| 11:28 | afaik
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| 11:28 | the user should be able to change own password..
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| 11:28 | <moldy> johnny: the thing is: it does not work remote
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| 11:28 | <johnny> otherwise.. just open up a terminal and type passwd :)
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| 11:28 | <moldy> johnny: *i* could do that, but it's quite hard for my users
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| 11:29 | <johnny> my users don't have accessible passwords.. it's all ssh keys for autologin.. so i'm not sure about that
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| 11:29 | so.. moldy if they were logged in on the server directly it would work?
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| 11:29 | <moldy> yes
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| 11:29 | but via ssh from a thin client, it silently fails
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| 11:29 | i.e. the password is simply not updated
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| 11:29 | <johnny> not sure then.. i guess other admins would know.. people who don't use anonymous terminals..
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| 11:29 | <moldy> it's a known issue, but i forgot the workaround
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| 11:30 | <johnny> check launchpad maybe?
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| 11:30 | if nobody answers
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| 11:30 | <moldy> i am trying to
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| 11:30 | but there are alot of similiar/related problems and no real solutions
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| 11:30 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit/+bug/219473
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| 11:30 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-gnome/+bug/231246
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| 11:30 | it's a complete mess
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| 11:33 | <cliebow> intrepid is a dvd now huh? no cdimage?
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| 11:36 | <ogra> ??
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| 11:36 | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/
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| 11:36 | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/
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| 11:37 | where did you look for it ?
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| 12:00 | <jhutchins_wk> What limits the number of simultaneous tftp sessions on a server?
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| 12:05 | <johnny> is there such a thing?
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| 12:05 | * johnny never noticed | |
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| 12:18 | <jhutchins_wk> Well, when I reboot 275 devices, some of them don't get tftp.
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| 12:20 | <vagrantc> survival of the fittest.
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| 12:40 | * vagrantc can't wait for ldm on arm and hppa! | |
| 12:41 | * vagrantc eyes up http://buildd.debian.org/~jeroen/status/package.php?p=ldm | |
| 12:41 | <vagrantc> so, despite having been built 6 days ago on hppa, arm may very well get uploaded first.
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| 12:42 | <ogra> heh
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| 12:42 | hhpa
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| 12:42 | ppha ?
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| 12:42 | aahp
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| 12:43 | * ogra notices that ftbfs on hpa recently started to get ignored on ubuntu ... seeems nobody really cares | |
| 12:43 | <ogra> *hppa
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| 12:48 | <stgraber> yeah, I don't think iTalc built on it but I was told "Everything that uses glib is broken there"
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| 13:00 | <ogra> yeah
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| 13:00 | i guess lamont will care for it some days before release
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| 13:03 | * ogra hopes for more ubuntu CD testers once the new iso is up | |
| 13:05 | <sbalneav> I'll test tonight.
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| 13:06 | <cliebow> cd..or dvd?
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| 13:08 | <ogra> cd
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| 13:08 | we just fixed some breakage, but the next builds should be good
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| 13:08 | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/
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| 13:14 | <sbalneav> k
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| 13:14 | ltspbot: learn dailyimage as http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/
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| 13:14 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: The operation succeeded.
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| 13:14 | <sbalneav> !dailyimage
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| 13:14 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "dailyimage" is http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/
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| 13:14 | <ogra> heh :)
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| 13:15 | probably vagrantc wants his listed there too :)
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| 13:15 | though i dont know if debian has the CD install option
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| 13:46 | <cliebow> ogra:thanks
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| 13:52 | <CAN-o-SPAM> anyone on located in the UK?
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| 14:05 | <vagrantc> ogra: yeah, there's no ltsp-enabled images for debian other than debian-edu that i'm aware of
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| 15:00 | <sbalneav> It's quiet in here.... too quiet
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| 15:00 | * sbalneav looks around nervously | |
| 15:00 | <jammcq> nice-and-quiet
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| 15:00 | the quiet before the storm
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| 15:00 | <sbalneav> hey hey
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| 15:01 | How's it going?
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| 15:01 | <jammcq> there will be plenty of noise 2 weeks from today, when we are all celebrating
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| 15:02 | <ogra> RAAAAHHHH
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| 15:02 | * ogra makes some noise | |
| 15:03 | <jammcq> kids these days
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| 15:03 | <ogra> heh
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| 15:05 | * vagrantc started working on dgkfbtsp | |
| 15:05 | <vagrantc> again...
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| 15:06 | <ogra> dkgbftspt ?
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| 15:07 | <vagrantc> Debian GNU/kFreeBSD Terminal Server Project
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| 15:07 | <ogra> heh
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| 15:07 | <vagrantc> i probably screwed up the letters a little.
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| 15:07 | DGkFBTSP
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| 15:08 | better.
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| 15:08 | <ogra> no hurd ?
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| 15:08 | could be reqady next year
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| 15:08 | <vagrantc> DGHTSP
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| 15:08 | and then there's my PBTSP project as well.
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| 15:09 | <ogra> paternity brothers terminal server project ?
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| 15:10 | <vagrantc> PC-BSD
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| 15:10 | <ogra> ah
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| 15:10 | <vagrantc> i get these insanities every once in a while when i have a fever.
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| 15:11 | it'll pass when i return to health.
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| 15:11 | <ogra> heh
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| 15:11 | <vagrantc> heh.
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| 15:11 | despite being built 6 days before the ldm arm upload was, arm was actually uploaded before hppa ... which still hasn't been uploaded.
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| 15:12 | * vagrantc hears rumours of arm and mips thin-clients ... | |
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| 15:14 | <ogra> arm !!
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| 15:15 | <pem725> how do I configure via unichrome pro drivers? they don't seem to work when I specify via but vesa works.
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| 15:15 | <vagrantc> !distro
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| 15:15 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: Error: "distro" is not a valid command.
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| 15:15 | <vagrantc> !help
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| 15:15 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
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| 15:15 | <ogra> vagrantc, dont worry ...
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| 15:15 | !beer
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| 15:15 | <ltspbot> ogra: Error: "beer" is not a valid command.
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| 15:16 | <ogra> doesnt work either
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| 15:16 | <vagrantc> !release
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| 15:16 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "release" is please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
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| 15:16 | <vagrantc> pem725: ^^ that's the one i meant :)
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| 15:16 | <pem725> whoops...ubuntu 8.04.1
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| 15:16 | <vagrantc> !topics
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| 15:16 | <pem725> ltsp 5
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| 15:16 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "topics" is To get a list of topics, type ltspbot: factoids search --values
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| 15:17 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: factoids search --values
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| 15:17 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'tarball', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'js', 's', (1 more message)
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| 15:17 | * vagrantc will stop flooding the channel with ltspbot commands | |
| 15:19 | * vagrantc stumbles upon thinclient.org | |
| 15:19 | <pem725> ltspbot: factoids search --values
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| 15:19 | <ltspbot> pem725: 'ltsp', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'tarball', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'js', 's', (1 more message)
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| 15:24 | <pem725> lts.conf?
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| 15:25 | <lts.conf>?
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| 15:26 | <vagrantc> pem725: ??
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| 15:26 | <pem725> yep
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| 15:26 | still here
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| 15:26 | just trying to figure out irc
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| 15:26 | <vagrantc> !lts.conf
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| 15:26 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "lts.conf" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf
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| 15:26 | <pem725> ah, been there.
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| 15:27 | * vagrantc wonders how outdated it is | |
| 15:28 | <pem725> no info on via unichrome pro card on EPIA NE15000G board.
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| 15:28 | I searched everywhere.
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| 15:28 | came here as last resort
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| 15:29 | <sbalneav> Hmm, don't I have the link for the new doco here?
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| 15:29 | !doco
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| 15:29 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: Error: "doco" is not a valid command.
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| 15:29 | <sbalneav> !doc
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| 15:29 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: Error: "doc" is not a valid command.
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| 15:29 | <sbalneav> guess not.
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| 15:29 | one sec
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| 15:30 | <pem725> !topics
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| 15:30 | <ltspbot> pem725: "topics" is To get a list of topics, type ltspbot: factoids search --values
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| 15:31 | <sbalneav> ltspbot: learn doco as you can find the link to the latest, and most current upstream documentation at: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 15:31 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: The operation succeeded.
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| 15:32 | <sbalneav> !doco
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| 15:32 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "doco" is you can find the link to the latest, and most current upstream documentation at: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 15:32 | <pem725> been there
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| 15:33 | I guess my question is how do I get the via unichrome drivers to work? Do I need to use the binary ones in some manner with ltsp?
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| 15:33 | if I specify via in the lts.conf file, the thin client does not boot
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| 15:33 | <sbalneav> Have you unstalled the openchrome drivers in the chroot?
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| 15:34 | <pem725> if I specify vesa, it boots fine but the resolution is all messed up.
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| 15:34 | no, how do I do that?
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| 15:34 | <sbalneav> What distro are you running?
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| 15:34 | <pem725> do I just chroot and put them in where they would normally go on a system?
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| 15:34 | ubuntu 8.04.1
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| 15:34 | I can handle that..if that is the case.
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| 15:35 | <sbalneav> ok, run the following command:
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| 15:35 | dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l | grep chrome
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| 15:36 | <pem725> from within chroot?
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| 15:36 | scratch that question...no
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| 15:36 | k
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| 15:36 | <sbalneav> no, just at a regular command line
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| 15:37 | <pem725> ok, I see the xserver-xorg-video-openchrome driver listed.
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| 15:38 | driver and XvMC libs for via and via pro
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| 15:39 | <sbalneav> ok, so the openchrome driver is installed.
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| 15:39 | <pem725> yep
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| 15:40 | <sbalneav> So, you should be able to simply set (in your lts.conf file):
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| 15:40 | XSERVER=openchrome
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| 15:40 | <pem725> ah!
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| 15:40 | <sbalneav> and that should set the openchrome driver.
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| 15:41 | <pem725> ok, I am rebooting the client
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| 15:42 | hard lockup
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| 15:43 | it boots but when it starts to resolve the xorg config, it just locks up hard.
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| 15:43 | <sbalneav> ok, so the openchrome driver doesn't support that chipset then.
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| 15:43 | <pem725> guess not
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| 15:43 | it does work with the vesa driver but the resolution does not work correctly.
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| 15:43 | I could live with vesa for the time being.
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| 15:44 | but the monitor does native 1680x1050 but it keeps defaulting to 1280x1024.
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| 15:44 | even if I specify X_MODE_O=1680x1050
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| 15:44 | any hints on that one?
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| 15:44 | <sbalneav> Well, that's because 1680x1050 isn't a vesa mode, IIRC
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| 15:45 | <pem725> ah
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| 15:45 | can I do widescreen at least in vesa mode?
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| 15:45 | the resolution does not need to be that high.
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| 15:45 | <sbalneav> 1440
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| 15:45 | 1080
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| 15:46 | Sorry, 1440x1080's a vesa mode
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| 15:46 | so's 1600x1200
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| 15:46 | <pem725> both are still too wide - even for this widescreen.
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| 15:47 | <sbalneav> I don't know if via supplies a binary driver for that card or not.
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| 15:47 | <pem725> I can't see the left or right inch of the desktop.
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| 15:47 | they do
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| 15:47 | I will see about installing it in the chroot
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| 15:47 | <sbalneav> if they do, you could try installing it in the chroot, hand crafting an xorg.conf, and installing that in the chroot...
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| 15:47 | <pem725> ok
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| 15:47 | <sbalneav> and pointing to it with the X_CONF=/path variable
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| 15:48 | <pem725> I guess I will need to update the image afterwards, right?
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| 15:48 | <sbalneav> yes, absolutely
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| 15:48 | <pem725> when you say pointing to it, I guess you mean point to the xorg binary module, right?
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| 15:50 | <sbalneav> no
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| 15:50 | hand craft an xorg.conf
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| 15:50 | <pem725> ah, got it.
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| 15:50 | I will give that a go later. Thanks greatly for your help.
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| 15:51 | <sbalneav> install in the chroot, say in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/myxorg.conf
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| 15:51 | then in lts.conf:
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| 15:51 | <pem725> ok
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| 15:51 | <sbalneav> X_CONF=/etc/X11/myxorg.conf
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| 15:51 | <pem725> fantastic!
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| 15:51 | <sbalneav> Note that the path for the X_CONF variable is relative to the chroot, not the server's root
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| 15:52 | <pem725> ok, I am downloading the drivers now.
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| 15:52 | <Lns> Is LDM_AUTOLOGIN supposed to go under [default] or each specific terminal's stanza?
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| 15:52 | <pem725> yes, got the relative path.
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| 15:52 | thanks sbalneav.
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| 15:52 | that was extremely helpful.
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| 15:52 | <sbalneav> Lns: Not sure, I never use it.
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| 15:52 | pem725: NP
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| 15:53 | <Lns> sbalneav: heh, sounds like many don't as that parm isn't documented :/
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| 15:53 | ftr it looks like it's in each terminal section
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| 15:56 | <sbalneav> Provide me with an example lts.conf, and I'll document it.
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| 15:56 | * Lns starts documenting the ubuwiki | |
| 15:56 | <johnny> Lns, default is fine
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| 15:57 | that's what i do
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| 15:57 | that way i don't have to bother setting it per client
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| 15:57 | and then i just do autologin with ssh keys
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| 15:57 | <Lns> johnny: really? so if there's no LDM_USERNAME/LDM_PASSWORD it just ignores it.. ?
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| 15:57 | <sbalneav> I'd like to get it into the upstream docs
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| 15:58 | <Lns> sbalneav: well this is what i have, i haven't documented it yet..let me test it on my own server..one min
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| 15:58 | <johnny> leio, i don't use LDM_USERNAME or LDM_PASSWORD
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| 15:58 | err
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| 15:58 | Lns,
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| 15:58 | <Lns> johnny: ok..
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| 15:59 | <johnny> it defaults to the hostname for both if autologin is set
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| 15:59 | <ltsppbot> "Lns" pasted "lts.conf autologin" (35 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/62
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| 15:59 | <johnny> but.. i already got hacked wit hthat
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| 15:59 | somebody sshed in and setup a bncer
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| 15:59 | <Lns> heh
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| 15:59 | <johnny> so.. i moved to public keys
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| 16:00 | <Lns> johnny: so you're saying the default for all distros is LDM_AUTOLOGIN in [default] *or* in each w/s section will work
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| 16:00 | <johnny> no..
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| 16:00 | LDM_AUTOLOGIN is nowhere by default
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| 16:00 | i assume it works per client
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| 16:01 | i've never tried it
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| 16:01 | <Lns> right...ok well lemme try
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| 16:01 | <johnny> i just said that if it's set.. then LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD default to the hostname
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| 16:04 | <Lns> johnny: ok
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| 16:05 | hrm, here's a caveat... when you log out, it just logs you out / then back in. How do you turn off a TC this way?
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| 16:05 | (cleanly that is)
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| 16:05 | <johnny> i just power em off
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| 16:05 | that's why i use guest login tho
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| 16:05 | <johnny> instead of autologin these days
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| 16:05 | <Lns> johnny: well there should be a clean way to do this
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| 16:05 | <johnny> just use guest login
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| 16:06 | then you just click login as guest and the autologin stuff works
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| 16:06 | <Lns> johnny: guest login meaning a username/passwd for the user to enter?
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| 16:06 | hmm
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| 16:06 | where is this documented?
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| 16:06 | <johnny> no
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| 16:06 | just click login as guest
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| 16:06 | and the autologin stuff does it's thing
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| 16:07 | i have no idea
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| 16:07 | i never read the documentation
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| 16:07 | i just saw when it got added to ldm and started using it
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| 16:07 | <Lns> johnny: so what, do you remove LDM_AUTOLOGIN but keep the others?
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| 16:07 | <johnny> do you wanna see my lts.conf ?
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| 16:07 | <Lns> johnny: sure
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| 16:08 | <johnny> [default]
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| 16:08 | LDM_DIRECTX=Y
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| 16:08 | LDM_ALLOW_GUEST=Y
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| 16:08 | that's it
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| 16:08 | <Lns> oh cool
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| 16:09 | <johnny> that parameter should be documented in the trunk
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| 16:09 | Lns, this only works in hardy and any other distro released around that time period
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| 16:10 | or more specifically
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| 16:10 | any other ldm packages released since shortly before the hardy release
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| 16:12 | <Lns> ok.. so LDM_ALLOW_GUEST looks like it's replaced by LDM_GUESTLOGIN
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| 16:12 | prolly backward compat though
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| 16:16 | <johnny> Lns, don't you have a copy of the bzr repository ?
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| 16:16 | <Lns> no
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| 16:16 | <johnny> you should
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| 16:16 | <Lns> i'm not that cool :p
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| 16:16 | <johnny> that way you can verify what you're documenting
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| 16:16 | <Lns> I need to learn how all that works first...
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| 16:17 | <johnny> then you could just grep for LDM_GUESTLOGIN and see
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| 16:17 | <Lns> well testing with my own equipment is easy enough
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| 16:17 | but i'm sure i'll get into bzr repositories soon..
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| 16:17 | <johnny> not as easy as grepping the src
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| 16:18 | * Lns doesn't understand the source sometimes | |
| 16:18 | <johnny> Lns, see.. i'm using hardy.. it might be the opposite in trunk, but i don't have my repos here
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| 16:18 | sure.. but i'm sure you can recognize if this then this
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| 16:18 | to tell which one supercedes the other
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| 16:18 | <Lns> true
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| 16:18 | well i just pretty much verified LDM_GUESTLOGIN doesn't work at all
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| 16:19 | trying LDM_ALLOW_GUEST
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| 16:19 | k, that works
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| 16:19 | <johnny> Lns, it could easily be that since hardy .. the new default in trunk is that LDM_GUESTLOGIN supercedes LDM_ALLOW_GUEST
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| 16:20 | and that LDM_GUESTLOGIN never existed until after hardy
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| 16:20 | <Lns> yeah
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| 16:20 | looks like it anyway
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| 16:21 | <Lns> that's pretty neat, never used that before today
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| 16:21 | <johnny> Lns, the next thing we need.. is a timeout for that :)
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| 16:22 | which might actually exist now, but it might have been too late for intrepid
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| 16:22 | ask ogra
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| 16:33 | <Lns> sbalneav: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/AutoLoginFeatures
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| 16:35 | <alkisg> Lns, also LDM_USERNAME and password default to the client hostname
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| 16:35 | <Lns> alkisg: ok i'll put that in
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| 16:35 | <johnny> alkisg, i repeated that 3 times to you :)
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| 16:36 | err
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| 16:36 | that's to lns
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| 16:36 | <Lns> along with using LDM_AUTOLOGIN/LDM_ALLOW_GUEST
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| 16:36 | <alkisg> Heh!
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| 16:36 | <Lns> johnny: blah.. ok call that page v1.0 =p
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| 16:36 | 1.1 coming soon
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| 16:38 | <alkisg> Lns, did you recently do any ltsp-build-client?
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| 16:38 | <Lns> alkisg: yes.. ?
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| 16:38 | <alkisg> Because LDM_AUTOLOGIN changed in March
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| 16:39 | What does dpkg -l ldm give in chroot?
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| 16:39 | Ehm, I meant GUESTLOGIN
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| 16:40 | <Lns> alkisg: jerickson@Fibonacci:~$ sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ dpkg -l | grep ldm
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| 16:40 | ii ldm 5.0.40~bzr20080212-0ubuntu4 LTSP display manager
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| 16:40 | <alkisg> Uh, hardy still has that? :P
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| 16:40 | <Lns> alkisg: hardy-updates still has that
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| 16:40 | <alkisg> changelog says it changed in ldm (2:0.1~bzr20080308-1)
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| 16:41 | A month later
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| 16:41 | * Lns shrugs | |
| 16:41 | <Lns> I have updates for my chroot, but just the kernel & tzdata
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| 16:42 | <alkisg> OK, so what you're saying in your page is fine.
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| 16:44 | <johnny> Lns, might be good to keep a seperate page with a the lts.conf variables changelog
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| 16:45 | <Lns> johnny: it seems the vars are really all over the place...i've never seen any definitive, all inclusive doc on lts.conf parms (maybe besides the code :p)
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| 16:46 | I'm sure most of them contain MOST of the vars but none of them show the allow_guest/guestlogin
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| 16:46 | unless it's in trunk
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| 16:46 | <johnny> yes the trunk has an updated version i think
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| 16:46 | Lns, this is why you shoudl check it out
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| 16:46 | or view it live on launchpad
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| 16:46 | then you can know for sure
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| 16:46 | you can browse it in the code section
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| 16:47 | Lns, you'll be much more effective documentor if you had a local copy tho
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| 16:47 | <Lns> johnny: well i'll get to that ;) I just wanted to create a wiki page that documents how to actually do this..i've noticed a lot on the list that people ask about auto/guest login because the LDM_AUTOLOGIN var is missing from docs
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| 16:48 | johnny: you have any links on how to get setup with bzr branch/trunk/whatever? I'm a n00b when it comes to that
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| 16:48 | IANAP
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| 16:48 | <johnny> every launchpad page has it
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| 16:48 | it's just one linke to use
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| 16:49 | as long as you have bzr
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| 16:49 | you just copy and paste that line on the terminal
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| 16:49 | and that's pretty much it
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| 16:49 | after that.. to update you just bzr pull && bzr up
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| 16:49 | <Lns> what launchpad page?
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| 16:50 | gimme a link =) I'll try and learn from it
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| 16:50 | <johnny> https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk
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| 16:50 | for example
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| 16:51 | and just copy get this branch section
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| 16:51 | <Lns> thx
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| 16:51 | <johnny> and then you can get ldm too
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| 16:52 | * Lns feels all elite n stuff | |
| 16:52 | <johnny> https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk
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| 16:52 | it'd be nice if the ltsp wiki itself included the development info
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| 16:52 | i think the branch info was out of date
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| 16:52 | but maybe it's fixed now
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| 16:55 | <alkisg> johnny, have you understood how PPAs work? Is it like a redirection (so that I need to have my own server) or the sources are actually hosted on launchpad?
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| 17:01 | <johnny> they are hosted on launchpad
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| 17:02 | <alkisg> and anyone can upload ubuntu-related open source packages? E.g. I've made a greek programming language, can I ask for a PPA?
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| 17:04 | (sf.net doesn't have support for repositories...)
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| 17:08 | <johnny> they can upload any ppa for anything i think
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| 17:08 | i'm not a launchpad expert
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| 17:08 | but as far as i know.. anything goes
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| 17:09 | <alkisg> ok johnny, thank you!
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| 17:09 | * Lns creates a PPA for q-basic on ubuntu | |
| 17:10 | <johnny> it's too bad it only works with bzr
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| 17:10 | instead of git
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| 17:10 | too
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| 17:10 | it can mirror git/bzr/cvs .. but i'd like native support
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| 17:11 | <alkisg> Well, for me even cvs would do! :P
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| 17:14 | <Lns> Maybe someone should make a version control unifier
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| 17:16 | <johnny> Lns, that's launchpad :)
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| 17:16 | except they use silly bzr
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| 17:16 | <Lns> johnny: well that's what i mean
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| 17:16 | make something that can use bzr/cvs/git/whatever else transparently
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| 17:16 | DO IT NOW =p
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| 17:17 | ahem... /arnold
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| 17:17 | <johnny> actually cvs is n't really possible
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| 17:17 | it doesn't handle certain things
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| 17:17 | and is too easy to break it
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| 17:20 | * Lns gets some fooood | |
| 17:20 | <X0d_of_N2d_> isn't there a git plugin for bzr?
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| 17:20 | I'm pretty sure there's an svn one
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| 17:22 | http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrPlugins
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| 17:23 | <vagrantc> LDM_GUESTLOGIN replaced LDM_ALLOW_GUEST.
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| 17:23 | LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT replaced LDM_TIMEOUT_ENABLE + LDM_TIMEOUT_TIME
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| 17:23 | Lns: any more variables you need clarification on?
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| 17:40 | <Lns> vagrantc: not at the moment, until i find one that isn't documented ;)
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| 17:41 | vagrantc: ty btw
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| 17:41 | <X0d_of_N0d> Lns: where are you looking for docs on the variables?
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| 17:42 | <vagrantc> Lns: there's compatibility for LMD_TIMEOUT_* but not for LDM_ALLOW_GUEST, as far as i know.
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| 17:42 | * X0d_of_N0d looks at the topic | |
| 17:42 | <X0d_of_N0d> nm
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| 17:42 | <vagrantc> though it would be easy to add.
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| 17:44 | <Lns> X0d_of_N0d: http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html#general-parms - /opt/ltsp/arch/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client-core/examples
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| 17:44 | <X0d_of_N0d> ahhhh
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| 17:44 | Lns: thanx
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| 17:44 | <Lns> X0d_of_N0d: np =)
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| 17:45 | <X0d_of_N0d> it seems like http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf is the first one to come up in google, but that's clearly very outdated
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| 17:46 | * Lns wonders why documentation isn't centralized in manpages | |
| 17:47 | <vagrantc> should mention links to more current information on the outdated wiki page ...
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| 17:48 | * vagrantc fails to have valid login credentials for ltsp.org wiki | |
| 17:49 | <Lns> Is there anything keeping any distro back from simply going to manpages for documentation? It seems to be a pretty big mess, all sorts of tidbits everywhere online...wikis, official (outdated?) docs, /usr/share/doc, ...but no manpages (or very short ones)
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| 17:50 | The upstream docs are awesome though.. probably the best reference
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| 17:50 | but even sections in that are incomplete
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| 17:51 | <X0d_of_N0d> unfrotunately the capabilities are within the chroot, so docs would have to be somehow be taken out of the chroot....
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| 17:51 | <Lns> X0d_of_N0d: why do the docs need to be in the chroot anyway?
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| 17:52 | It's not like people always look at it on the TC tty
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| 17:58 | <X0d_of_N0d> the docs have to be in the chroot because the funtionality that makes them work is in the chroot.
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| 17:59 | <vagrantc> it's debateable where the docs should really be.
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| 17:59 | <X0d_of_N0d> the scripts are in the chroot (necessarily)
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| 17:59 | online makes sense as long as everything stays updated
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| 17:59 | <vagrantc> but i think with the ltsp-doc project, we'll see a separate ltsp-documentation package or some such in the nearish future.
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| 18:00 | <Lns> vagrantc: I'd be willing to help with a ltsp-documentation package
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| 18:01 | It would make sense to me, anyway.. so that there is more pressure to update -documentation along with revisions to the actual packages, it will stay more current (and people obviously know about man pages if they use *nix)
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| 18:02 | So there's no question as to where to go for "official" documentation
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| 18:02 | <vagrantc> i'm not convinced man pages make the most sense for everything.
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| 18:03 | for one thing, they're a *huge* pain to edit.
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| 18:03 | there's all sorts of frontends, many of which re-write them in incompatible ways.
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| 18:03 | <Lns> vagrantc: well maybe that'll make devs think twice about implementing new features... ? :p
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| 18:04 | <vagrantc> and editing it raw will narrow the scope of people down to almost nothing.
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| 18:04 | <Lns> vagrantc: What's wrong with just writing a plaintext manpage?
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| 18:05 | <vagrantc> Lns: i've tried using asciidoc and txt2man to handle those, and they always break in weird ways, in my experience.
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| 18:05 | <X0d_of_N0d> lol
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| 18:05 | dude, I've been working on writing a manpage parser....
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| 18:06 | man pages are ALL different
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| 18:06 | erm...</rant>
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| 18:06 | <Lns> hehe
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| 18:07 | well as long as one certain method is standardized on for ltsp manpages...i don't see the big deal
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| 18:07 | * Lns is being naive probably though | |
| 18:07 | * vagrantc concurs | |
| 18:07 | <Lns> :p
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| 18:07 | <X0d_of_N0d> man pages are written in groff
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| 18:08 | it's an ugly, ugly....ugly language
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| 18:08 | <vagrantc> Lns: proposing things like that must start with "*I* will convert all the documentation to man pages, and *I* will make sure they're all kept current" followed by actually doing it.
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| 18:08 | and making it easy enough so that if you disappear, it keeps going.
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| 18:08 | <X0d_of_N0d> ahh...the joys of linux
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| 18:09 | <Lns> vagrantc: I know.. =) i'm just trying to gather information on how it actually works..
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| 18:10 | <vagrantc> i think what we've got going on is a good start. some people who already know the guts of LTSP working on documentation and some people who're using ltsp working on it, and then generating a common project...
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| 18:10 | wiki's are really great for getting the initial content, but for long-term maintenance, they seem a little ugly.
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| 18:10 | <Lns> and fragmented
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| 18:10 | <vagrantc> yeah.
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| 18:10 | and the larger the project, the worse it gets.
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| 18:11 | <X0d_of_N0d> yeah
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| 18:11 | <vagrantc> LTSP has been around a long time, and the wiki has accumulated so much information over the years it's hard to sort out the useful, current and unchanging information from the misleading or outdated...
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| 18:11 | * Lns downloads txt2man just for fun | |
| 18:12 | <Lns> It's crazy that it's been around for so long without any definitive doc... i guess it just works that well =)
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| 18:13 | <X0d_of_N0d> well the ltsp wiki worked really well for a while
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| 18:14 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 18:14 | <X0d_of_N0d> the link I was using has *most* of the right info
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| 18:14 | ....just not all the right info
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| 18:14 | <Lns> sometimes i kinda wish linux was more like bsd in that everything *must* have a manpage
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| 18:15 | <X0d_of_N0d> Lns: yeah, but then linux might be more like bsd, and it would be a pain to install on the kind of hardware linux runs on without any problem
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| 18:15 | <Lns> of course that's impossible given there's no real authority in any one distro, etc.
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| 18:17 | X0d_of_N0d: at least it'd have a manpage on how to get it to work on said hardware.. of course you couldn't read it, but... =p
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| 18:17 | <X0d_of_N0d> hehe
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| 18:17 | everything has it's place....'cpt windoze
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| 18:18 | oh wait...solitare
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| 18:18 | <Lns> can't forget porn!
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| 18:18 | complete with virus infection
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| 18:18 | <X0d_of_N0d> porn on a windoze box, you're looking for trouble
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| 18:18 | heheh
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| 18:19 | Lns: yeah, windows simulates the experiance really well. computer sex= computer virus
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| 18:19 | <Lns> heh
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| 18:36 | <ltsppbot> "Lns" pasted "lts.conf manpage - Just for fun, don't yell at me =p" (16 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/63
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| 18:37 | <Lns> Hehe..looks nice don't it ;)
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| 18:39 | <X0d_of_N0d> Lns: the real trick is figuring out how to verify that the scripts and programs inside the chroot match the documentation outside....
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| 18:39 | brb...
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| 18:41 | <Lns> X0d_of_N0d: well if the scripts and programs outside the chroot are responsible for building the chroot itself, i wouldn't think it'd be too difficult to match it all up
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| 18:43 | oh well
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| 18:46 | <X0d_of_N0d> Lns: if there was a meta package that built the chroot that would work
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| 18:46 | Lns: but then there'd have to be a meta package for each arch and stuff
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| 18:48 | <Lns> X0d_of_N0d: That'd be kinda a roundabout way of doing it i think..maybe, for example debian/ubuntu, simply "Recommends: ltsp-documentation" would be a good thing
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| 18:48 | oh i see what you mean
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| 18:48 | well the manpages would have to be generic enough for cross-arch
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| 18:48 | which i wouldn't think would be an issue
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| 18:50 | <X0d_of_N0d> right, but you could have multiple versions of the ltsp client installed
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| 18:50 | <Lns> true
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| 18:51 | * Lns wonders how other similar projects do it | |
| 18:51 | <vagrantc> there aren't many cross-system projects
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| 18:51 | <X0d_of_N0d> I don't know that there really are any similar projects
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| 18:52 | <vagrantc> the issue is that we have two or more installations, the server itself, and the chroot(s).
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| 18:52 | <X0d_of_N0d> the only stuff close would be virtualization, but all the controls for those projects are usually on the server
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| 18:52 | <vagrantc> there's no cross-chroot dependency handling anywhere, as far as i know.
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| 19:02 | * Lns 's brain explodes | |
| 19:02 | <Lns> ok i'm out..thx for the thoughts all
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| 19:02 | <X0d_of_N0d> later Lns
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| 20:19 | <rjune> Rixter
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| 20:57 | <kwak> anyone using fedora 9 ltsp (k12linux)?
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| 20:58 | i'm having trouble with setting up network for thin clients. the guide says edit /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ethX, but can't find this file either eth0 or eth1
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| 20:59 | <johnny> on the server
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| 20:59 | ?
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| 20:59 | it should be on the server
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| 20:59 | not that i know anything about fedora
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| 21:01 | <kwak> yes
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| 21:01 | on the server
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| 21:02 | <petre> kwak, what ifcfg-eth* files do you see in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts
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| 21:02 | ?
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| 21:03 | kwak, what interfaces do you see in NetworkManager?
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| 21:04 | <kwak> i don
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| 21:04 | i don't see anything in network manager.
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| 21:04 | i can see ifgcfg-ltspbr0 in network-scripts
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| 21:04 | <petre> is this a desktop machine or laptop?
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| 21:04 | <kwak> server
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| 21:04 | <petre> what kind of NICs?
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| 21:05 | !pastebot
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| 21:05 | <ltspbot> petre: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 21:06 | <kwak> broadcom.
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| 21:06 | my sever is dell poweredge 1425
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| 21:06 | i can see the one of the NICs get an address from my internal DHCP server
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| 21:07 | <petre> what does ifconfig show?
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| 21:08 | <kwak> it shows eth1
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| 21:08 | eth2 which has IP address from DHCP,
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| 21:08 | ltspbr0
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| 21:08 | and lo
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| 21:08 | <petre> is eth1 connected to your clients?
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| 21:10 | <kwak> tes
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| 21:10 | yes
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| 21:10 | it should get 192.168.0.254 right which is the default IP for ltsp
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| 21:10 | <petre> but neither eth1 nor eth2 show up in NetworkManager???
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| 21:11 | <kwak> checking.
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| 21:11 | <petre> no, eth1 won't have an address, but ltspbr0 will have 172.31.100.254
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| 21:12 | <kwak> ok, not it's there. auto Eth2 and auto Eth1
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| 21:12 | <petre> it uses a subnet quite unlikely to be used to avoid conflicts
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| 21:13 | <kwak> ic, so how do I edit eth1 so i can bridge it with ltspbr0
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| 21:14 | <petre> did you go into NetworkManager, highlight eth1, click Edit, and then uncheck "Controlled by NetworkManager"
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| 21:17 | <kwak> there's no edit.
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| 21:18 | <petre> at the top of the window?
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| 21:18 | <kwak> in networkmanager right, yes, if i click Auto Eth1, it gets selected,
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| 21:18 | <petre> icons labeled New, Edit, Copy, plus some that are greyed out
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| 21:18 | ?
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| 21:19 | you're in the Network Configuration window?
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| 21:19 | get there via System ->Administration -> Network
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| 21:19 | <kwak> if i right click, i see the edit then network connections dialog box appears
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| 21:20 | <petre> not via the icon on the top right
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| 21:20 | on the panel
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| 21:20 | <kwak> ok, got it.
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| 21:21 | ok, im in network configuration.
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| 21:21 | i'm in devices tab. i can only see ltspbr0
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| 21:21 | <petre> if it appears under the panel icon, then NetworkManager is controlling it, and that's not what you want
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| 21:22 | click New
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| 21:22 | add an ethernet device
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| 21:23 | then it should show you your two Broadcom NICs
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| 21:23 | says "Select the ethernet card you want to configure" near the top
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| 21:27 | <sla2> Is there developper(s) of LTSP here?
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| 21:27 | <petre> sla2, what's your real question?
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| 21:29 | <vagrantc> !question
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| 21:29 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "question" is if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
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| 21:30 | <sla2> When I create a user, I give them a temporary password with an expiration date (chage -d 0 user). The login screen (gdm) ask the user to change password, but it freeze. Does this option is considered in a near future?
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| 21:30 | <vagrantc> some versions of LDM don't handle password expiration very well.
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| 21:31 | <sla2> is there any way?
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| 21:31 | <vagrantc> !release
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| 21:31 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "release" is please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
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| 21:31 | <vagrantc> ??
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| 21:31 | <sla2> ubuntu 8.04
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| 21:32 | <jammcq> hey friends
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| 21:32 | <petre> hey jammcq
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| 21:34 | <vagrantc> sla2: i'm not sure if they patched that version of LDM to handle password expiry.
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| 21:34 | i suspect not...
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| 21:34 | <sla2> so there is a patch?
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| 21:36 | <vagrantc> against other versions of ldm, yes.
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| 21:36 | <sla2> well, you answered my question.... it will be fixe in a near future
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| 21:36 | thanks
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| 21:36 | <vagrantc> should be fixed in 8.10, i think.
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| 21:48 | <kwak> thanks petre, will try
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| 21:49 | <petre> kwak, did you follow the screen shots in the README?
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| 21:51 | <kwak> which README are you talking about.
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| 21:51 | i'm creating NEW config now
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| 21:51 | <petre> There should be a README on the desktop, if you installed from the Live image for USB/DVD
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| 21:52 | <kwak> o that, ok, let me check
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| 21:52 | <petre> it's in /etc/skel, so it will appear on the desktop of any user you create until you delete it from /etc/skel
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| 21:57 | <kwak> got it
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| 21:58 | <petre> kwak, follow that and it should be pretty straight forward
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| 21:58 | <kwak> does anyone knows how to authenticate ltsp clients to Active Directory
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| 21:58 | thanks petre.
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| 21:59 | <petre> kwak, have a look under System -> Adminstration -> Authentication
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| 22:00 | <petre> get authentication on the server working with AD and it will work fine for the clients
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| 22:03 | <petre> time for sleep
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| 22:04 | <kwak> i appreciate your help. client are in bootup process.
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| 22:04 | by the way, what's the prefered distro now for LTSP
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| 22:04 | i've been using centos (k12ltsp) for four 5 years now
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| 22:20 | <johnny> preferred?
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| 22:21 | if you would have asked last year, it would have been ubuntu
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| 22:21 | this year..
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| 22:21 | it's ubuntu/debian/fedora/opensuse
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| 22:23 | <kwak> i have a dual processor server with 4Gb of RAM that supports 25 clients. I had speed issues with ubuntu.
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| 22:30 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 22:33 | <johnny> kwak, aare you using ltsp5 now?
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| 22:33 | i think you'll have some of the same issues on any of the distros
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| 22:34 | LDM_DIRECTX=Y seems to be the best thing to do
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| 22:34 | and not tunnel X through ssh
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| 22:53 | <kwak> johnny, i'm trying out fedora 9 (k12linux)
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| 22:53 | johnny, have you tried this setting in edubuntu?
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| 22:54 | <johnny> yes
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| 22:54 | well ubuntu.. but same diff
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| 22:55 | kwak, what version it is of the os does not matter
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| 22:55 | its' what ltsp versions that are installed :)
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| 23:03 | <kwak> ic, so LDM_DIRECTX=Y fixes the slowness in edubuntu.
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| 23:06 | <kwak> ok, so I connected my ltsp server to the domain. I get a permission denied when creating the home directory for the user that I used.
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| 23:08 | <gonzaloaf_laptop> hi, how can I make boot my PC's that dont support PXE boot?
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| 23:13 | <johnny> i didn't say that it fixed everything kwak
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| 23:13 | ltsp 5 generally uses more resources across all distros
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| 23:13 | gonzaloaf_laptop, use a floppy,usb stick, hard disk , cd
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| 23:13 | via rom-o-matic
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| 23:15 | <gonzaloaf_laptop> johnny, thanks
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| 23:17 | <kwak> k, nevermind. i just want to solve this permission denied thing on my server.
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| 23:26 | <sbalneav> kwak: Where are you getting this error?
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| 23:31 | <kwak> from the client.
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| 23:31 | i'm still running on the fedora liveusb so I don't know if it's the cause
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| 23:32 | <sbalneav> So, you've got a user, and you're doing a mkdir on the server as root?
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| 23:42 | <johnny> if you don't use the proper tools like adduser or whatnot, it's not gonna have the write privileges
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| 23:42 | right*
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| 23:42 | <kwak> sbalneav: i'm logging in using an account from the active directory, it should create a home folder for that user right?
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| 23:45 | <sbalneav> Not usually, no
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| 23:45 | Unless you setup something like libpam_mkhomedir, or the like.
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| 23:45 | <rjune> @d
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| 23:45 | !S
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| 23:45 | <ltspbot> rjune: "S" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 23:45 | <sbalneav> Hey rjune
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| 23:46 | <kwak> i think i set that up.
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| 23:46 | <sbalneav> Can you log in from the console?
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| 23:46 | If it doesn't work from the console, then it isn't an LTSP problem.
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| 23:48 | <kwak> i modified /etc/pam.d/system-auth
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| 23:49 | added session required pam_mkhomedir.so skel=/etc/skel umask=0777
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| 23:49 | i will try loggin onto the console later.
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| 23:49 | * warren remains in exotic foreign country. | |
| 23:50 | <rjune> hawaii?
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| 23:50 | <warren> close
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| 23:50 | <rjune> hawaii isn't close to anything
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| 23:50 | <warren> well, closer
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| 23:50 | <rjune> 'cept maybe maui, oahu, etc.
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| 23:51 | <warren> This exotic foreign country fails to use grammatical articles when speaking English.
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| 23:51 | <rjune> ah, japan
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| 23:51 | or is that russia?
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| 23:53 | <johnny> warren fails to be in the right place
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| 23:53 | hi warren !
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| 23:53 | <sbalneav> Hey warren!
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