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Channel log from 2 February 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:18 | <muppis> Life is a funny thing. I'm wondering if I could somehow get old Celeron 663 from my sister to be used as tc.
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| 02:20 | <alkisg> Sure, my old school labs had those
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| 02:21 | <muppis> At least it got little more stylish case than my own oldies.
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| 04:16 | <tech_dvo> other available boot I could use than gpxe?
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| 04:16 | hello all!
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| 06:20 | <simbulu> contintuing install from yesterday ltsp-server on fedora 14. Running "ltsp-build-client" Answer: "ERROR: fc14 is unsupported". Now what ?
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| 06:21 | <Appiah> well
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| 06:21 | umm
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| 06:21 | wow , now ever seen anyone use FC for ltsp
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| 06:21 | and it looks unsupported by the error message
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| 06:23 | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=598134#c19 looks unmaintained / not fixed
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| 06:23 | thats FC13 :D
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| 06:25 | <simbulu> Well yes ltsp seems unsupported on fc14. Still the ltsp-server rpm came from standard fedora repository.
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| 06:25 | <Appiah> bet it's just moved from F12 repo
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| 06:25 | to F13 repo
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| 06:25 | and now F14
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| 06:26 | <simbulu> and according to /etc/sysconfig/ltspdist only fc{9,10,11,12} and el5 are supported. Othewise there is a fallback to fc9
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| 06:26 | <Appiah> FC seams to be fiddling around the ltsp stuff and no one touched it when it became F13 and F14
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| 06:26 | so it's a matter of packageing in Fedora
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| 06:26 | ping the maintainer
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| 06:26 | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=598134#c23 this comment says something..
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| 06:27 | <Appiah> it's not LTSP upstream issue , Fedora issue
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| 06:27 | <simbulu> yep - the maintainer seems to be on vacation - and I will have to maintain myself for now
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| 06:28 | sure it is a fedora packaging thing - I will see how far I can get ...
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| 06:28 | <Appiah> good luck
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| 06:29 | <simbulu> the challenge for me is that I know very little of the ltsp internals - but reading source is fun anyway :)
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| 06:42 | <simbulu> starting by fixing /etc/sysconfig/ltspdist. Done. Now a ltsp-i386.ks for is needed for fc14
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| 07:05 | <Appiah> kickstart configuration?
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| 07:05 | maybe you can edit the old one?
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| 07:06 | <tech_dvo> is there a difference where you place lts.conf?
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| 07:07 | I've been placing them in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
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| 07:07 | <Appiah> ltsp5.x thats the right place
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| 07:07 | /opt/ltsp was for ltsp4
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| 07:07 | <tech_dvo> but some instructions says to place them in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc
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| 07:07 | <Appiah> you had to rebuild the client each time you place it in /opt
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| 07:08 | now you just have to restart the client
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| 07:08 | <tech_dvo> I have one client that 'hangs' everytime I log out (ubuntu 10.10 ltsp)
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| 07:09 | any idea how I could trouble shoot this?
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| 07:09 | one type of client
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| 07:09 | <Appiah> just one? is it different from the others?
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| 07:09 | so you select logout and then it just gets stuck?
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| 07:09 | <tech_dvo> I have to configure XSERVER=vesa for these clients
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| 07:09 | yes
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| 07:10 | rebooting them then makes them hang
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| 07:10 | they'll reboot okay after 20-30min
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| 07:13 | <Appiah> I've had clients stuck at rebooting on ubuntu 10.10 (not ltsp)
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| 07:14 | <tech_dvo> how did you troubleshoot them?
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| 07:14 | <Appiah> I never did , one was my own Ubuntu Desktop
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| 07:14 | I scratched that installation for Gentoo so :D
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| 07:15 | <tech_dvo> I'm not familiar with Gentoo :( besides, I like to use Ubuntu -- school purposes :)
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| 07:16 | <Appiah> not telling you to switch beacuse of that ;) I switched dist on my desktop for other reasons
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| 07:16 | try acpi=off on kernel line for those clients
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| 07:16 | see if it changes anything
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| 07:17 | acpi=force I mean
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| 07:17 | <tech_dvo> in lts.conf, right?
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| 07:23 | Appiah: I'll try this tomorrow (my time) as I am out of the school and doing this at home, just can't get this out of my head until I have something -- this is something. thanks!
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| 07:37 | <mgariepy> morning everyone
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| 09:34 | <simbulu> Do people in general run ltsp with or without selinux ? I get the impression that selinux is usually turned off on ltsp boxes, but I would like to be corrected.
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| 09:37 | <alkisg> E.g. in ubuntu selinux if off by default, and most people I know leave it off :D
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| 09:37 | Don't know about other distros, I think maybe fedora has it enabled by default? But ltsp is lacking in fedora...
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| 09:40 | <simbulu> on fc14 selinux is an option at install time - default is on. I will turn selinux off for now and reboot the box again.
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| 09:40 | <Nubae> yeah definetly want selinux off
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| 09:41 | hows it going anyway?
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| 09:41 | <simbulu> or rather I will run with selinux in permissive mode
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| 09:43 | Nubae, Running on fc14 - working on getting ltsp-build-client to work
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| 09:52 | installation (yum install ltsp-server) gave me version 5.1.95-1fc13.x86_64 which I am trying to configure.
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| 09:53 | fixed a few bugs, and created a few new files. Current problem is ltsp-build-client which fails with "Autoconfigured Kickstart: /etc/ltsp/kickstart/Fedora/14/ltsp-386.ks"
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| 09:54 | <Nubae> guess compare it to the f13 ks
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| 09:54 | <simbulu> Note: Root directory /opt/ltsp/i386 already exists, this will lead to problemss, please remove it before trying again. Exiting. Error: LTSP client installation abnormally."
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| 09:54 | <Nubae> thats normal
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| 09:55 | happens every time u rebuild client
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| 09:55 | <simbulu> yep - I created 14.ks from 13.ks. Ok.
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| 09:55 | <Nubae> just delete it and start again
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| 09:55 | <simbulu> then I will just "rm -rf /opt/ltsp/i386 ; ltsp-build-client"
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| 09:55 | <Nubae> yup
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| 09:57 | <simbulu> thanks - I am a novice on ltsp - so it is good to be advised on what is normal and not.
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| 09:58 | worked - almost - "Error to creating image: Failed to find package 'system-config-display'. No package available to install.
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| 10:03 | <simbulu> common.ks refers to system-config-display - removing reference and trying again
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| 10:04 | fc14 does not have system-config-display. Fixed. Next problem: "Failed to find package 'kudzu'"
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| 10:06 | <simbulu> Same thing common.ks refers to non-existing package. fixed.
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| 10:09 | <Nubae> packages may have changed names too
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| 10:10 | <simbulu> ltsp-build-client now gives some warnings like: "No such package anacron to remove" . I am not trying to fix those warnings for now.
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| 10:10 | <Nubae> yeah again, packages may have changed names
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| 10:11 | but removing is step 1 I guess, u can always add the missing lines afterwards with proper packages if they exist
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| 10:13 | <simbulu> at the moment it downloads a lot of rpm's - perhaps I should read the release notes in the meanwhile
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| 10:22 | man has been replaced by man-db. install-info complains about missing directory (I guess that is normal as well)
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| 10:26 | and sed somplains "cant read /etc/init.d/halt: and /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit: No such file or directory" . In general: after installin 410 packages: warning post scriptlet failed, exit status 2. Hmm.
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| 10:39 | <simbulu> Seems like the client is going to be a F15 box (Rawhide) when ltsp-build-client once comes to an end.
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| 10:50 | <simbulu> the end: LTSP client installation ended abnormally. :-(
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| 11:03 | <Q-FUNK> howdy!
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| 11:03 | would anyone using LTSP on Ubuntu/Lucid happen to have the solution to those login timeouts on LDM after rebuilding the chroot and boot image?
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| 11:06 | <alkisg> "login timeouts"? Any error messages?
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| 11:06 | !SCREEN_02
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| 11:06 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "SCREEN_02" :: to get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using%20a%20shell%20SCREEN
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| 11:06 | <alkisg> Try `ssh user@server` from SCREEN_02
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| 11:06 | Change "user" to an existing username, but leave "server" intact, don't replace it with anything
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| 11:11 | <Q-FUNK> ok. just a sec.
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| 11:16 | so, from terminal two and then a normal slogin from there?
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| 11:17 | argh. this screen2 doesn't use the local keyboard map. not good.
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| 11:24 | <Q-FUNK> ah!
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| 11:24 | found it.
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| 11:24 | alkisg: thanks! :)
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| 11:24 | <alkisg> What was it?
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| 11:24 | keyboard layout?
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| 11:27 | <Q-FUNK> up
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| 11:27 | yup
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| 11:28 | for some reason, it didn't copy the regional keyboard layout setting from the server side.
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| 11:28 | or well, it seems to work for LDM but not for screen2.
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| 11:29 | <alkisg> sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup inside the chroot helps with that
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| 11:29 | <Q-FUNK> yup, that's what I did.
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| 11:30 | I just wonder why the chroot doesn't automatically get configured to use the same keyboard map for both X and console-setup.
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| 11:30 | <simbulu> trying again to ltsp-build-client after correcting ltsp-i386.ks to use a fedora-14 mirror rather than rawhide ...
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| 11:31 | <alkisg> Q-FUNK: I think it takes your LANG setting for that
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| 11:32 | unless you use --locale=xxx
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| 11:33 | <Q-FUNK> $ locale | grep LANG
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| 11:33 | LANG=fi_FI.UTF-8
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| 11:33 | LANGUAGE=fi_FI:fi:en_US:en
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| 12:09 | <simbulu> ltsp-build-client worked ! "info: LTSP client installation compled successfully". Client is a F14 box.
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| 12:09 | <Nubae> simbulu u´ll need to edit the sed part that tries to read the missing dirs and either create the dirs or some such
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| 12:09 | nice one
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| 12:10 | I´d still go back and try to get the lines u took out to work with the right packages though
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| 12:10 | might be required
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| 12:13 | <simbulu> yes - we will see. At least the main install should be over for now - and we can turn to the network setup ( skipped the vmclient parts).
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| 12:25 | <simbulu> As the server has just one NIC I will have to take it offline in order to test booting of the clients. More on that tomorrow.
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| 12:59 | <lauri> good evening guys, anyone of you going to FOSDEM?
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| 13:56 | <Q-FUNK> whatever happened to the nice LDM theme that ubuntu used to ship with? is it packaged searately these days or?
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| 14:00 | <highvoltage> it's still where it always was
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| 14:00 | Q-FUNK: this one? http://edubuntu.org/sites/default/files/ltsp2_full.jpg
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| 14:01 | <Q-FUNK> hmm.. the one I remember had a yellow background
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| 14:02 | <highvoltage> I think it used to have a brownish background, but that's really vintage
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| 14:02 | well, yellowish/brownish
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| 14:03 | the one in natty might be closer to this: http://www.stgraber.org/download/images/ldm-natty.png (although that's not finalised yet)
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| 14:09 | <Q-FUNK> ah, wait. nvm. seems that ltsp-build-client in lucid does not install any custom ldm theme.
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| 14:15 | <highvoltage> Q-FUNK: it's in the ldm-ubuntu-theme package that's part of the ldm-ubuntu-themes source package
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| 14:24 | <Q-FUNK> yup, seems so
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| 14:24 | I just wonder why it's not installed by default anymore
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| 14:45 | <highvoltage> Q-FUNK: it is!
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| 14:45 | <Q-FUNK> hmm, wasn't here when I did ltsp-build-image
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| 14:45 | <highvoltage> Q-FUNK: well, if you install on Ubuntu at least. Debian shows the ugly blue and yellow one by default
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| 14:46 | Q-FUNK: on Ubuntu 10.10?
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| 14:46 | <Q-FUNK> 10.4
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| 14:46 | I only use the LTS releases as terminal servers.
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| 14:47 | <highvoltage> I installed LTSP plenty of times on 10.04 for testing purposes and the ldm themes got installed just fine without me having to do anything as far as I can recall
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| 14:47 | <Q-FUNK> odd
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| 15:48 | <sschotten> hi guys.. good evening.. I'm trying to get LBE but the cvs.ltsp.org is out
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| 15:48 | does someone have a tip? already googled and I'm getting all tarballs available at mirrors.
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| 15:49 | <sschotten> does anyone have a LBE that I can get?
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| 15:58 | <evil_root> you mean the ltsp-load-balancer sschotten?
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| 16:02 | <sschotten> evil_root no, LTSP Build Enviroment
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| 16:05 | <evil_root> oh
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| 16:11 | <vagrantc> that's old-school ltsp 4.x
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