IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 10 November 2006 (all times are UTC)
| 00:02 | <dberkholz> hm, i think i'm going to monopolize somebody's time trying to figure out what in the world these random debian commands do
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| 00:05 | really wish i could've made it to the meetup
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| 02:49 | <Istarin> Hey, everyone! I've another newbie question...
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| 02:51 | I use ltsp 4.2 and 2.6.16 kernel(2.6.17 doesnot work with my NIC). rc. usb has "for module in usb-uhci usb-ohci ehci-hcd uhci-hcd ohci-hcd...." strings but anyway no usb keyboard or mouse available after terminal startup.
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| 02:52 | I tried to use MODULE_01 option for loadin modules usb-uhci or uhci-hcd etc. but got an error "Failed to load uhci-hcd module"
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| 02:52 | Did I forget smth. to make usb work on ltsp terminal?
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| 03:43 | <Istarin> hey, is my question so stupid? :(
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| 04:02 | <MrMoo> hello, any idea why LTSP includes XFS but not XFSTT support?
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| 04:59 | <Istarin> I need help! I checked BIOS, USB controller and keyboard/mouse support are enabled. Modules are not loading, USB doesnot work, exact kernel version is 2.16.6.1, I downloaded it from http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/ltsp-4.2/
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| 05:31 | <patrickb> hi all....
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| 05:32 | before i buy some ...does any body have any experince with the HP T5700 thin clients? how well do they work with LTSP..
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| 05:33 | the specs say they are PXE boot which is a start....
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| 05:52 | <pani_alex> how do i do to star knopix in 800x600?
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| 06:02 | i found it :)
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| 06:02 | i have seen that the knopix have memtest
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| 06:02 | how do i run it
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| 06:02 | ?
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| 06:19 | <pani_alex> need heelp please
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| 06:20 | i tipe the commands in the console(knoppix) and it do nothing
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| 06:20 | for example
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| 06:20 | grip -i net
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| 06:21 | grep
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| 06:21 | even ifconfig dont work
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| 06:37 | <psycodad> pani_alex: make sure you are root
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| 06:37 | enter "whoami" to find out if you are
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| 06:38 | <pani_alex> what is whoami and how do i enter it?
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| 06:39 | <pani_alex> must i get start the operate sistem? or in the boot?
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| 06:46 | how do i creatge the boot disk
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| 07:21 | <pani_alex> i'am trying to create the flppy disk to boot the client and
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| 07:22 | it apears to stay before finish
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| 07:22 | i maked, cat /path/to/eb-5.2.6-eepro100.zdsk /dev/fd0
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| 07:22 | is thise ok?
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| 07:24 | <psycodad> you need to type: cat /path/to/eb-5.2.6-eepro100.zdsk > /dev/fd0
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| 07:24 | you forgot the >
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| 07:24 | <pani_alex> ok, i'll try, but this is from the web page
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| 07:24 | <psycodad> pani_alex: enter it in the running knoppix system in a shell
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| 07:25 | pani_alex: from which webpage ?
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| 07:25 | <pani_alex> file://localhost/E:/Backup/Hdd%20Linux/ltsp/LTSP%20guide%20on%20Fedora/Instalación%20de%20LTSP%20en%20Fedora%20Core%202%20__%20Software%20Libre%20en%20Morelos%20__%20Los%20recursos%20libres%20a%20tu%20alcance,%20en%20Morelos..htm
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| 07:26 | sorry, i have saved the page and dont remember where is the link
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| 07:26 | if muy keyboard don't have >, how do i type it?
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| 07:30 | now i get it
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| 07:30 | thanks
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| 07:31 | i have writed /media/fd0 instead of /dev/fd0
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| 07:39 | <pani_alex> it don't work
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| 07:39 | say invalid system disk
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| 07:41 | how can i write the > if my keyboard dont have that key
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| 07:42 | to try making the boot disk again
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| 07:47 | i make
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| 07:48 | cat /media/..... /dev/fd0
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| 07:48 | and it stard writing on the floppy but stay again before finishing
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| 07:50 | <psycodad> pani_alex: use ALT+062 (means hold ALT key and type 062) this should give you a >
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| 07:55 | <pani_alex> presing alt an putting a numbre it puts (arg: 62) and if i pres a key next it insert 62 times that key
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| 10:02 | <pani_alex> still having prolems
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| 10:02 | can't create thise boot disk
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| 10:02 | please help me
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| 10:04 | <joebaker> pani_alex: That sounds like you are using vi to edit files.
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| 10:04 | <pani_alex> no
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| 10:05 | i whant to creathe the flppy disk to start the client
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| 10:05 | <joebaker> I only see your last 5 lines.
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| 10:05 | I was disconnected earlier.
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| 10:05 | <pani_alex> ok
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| 10:05 | <joebaker> Are you using etherboot?
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| 10:05 | <pani_alex> i'll tell you
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| 10:06 | i'm confused, etherboot is via the network card or diskete
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| 10:06 | ?
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| 10:07 | <joebaker> Etherboot is a program you get from rom-o-matic.net which is specific to the model of Network Card you have.
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| 10:07 | <pani_alex> i don't have a network card that suports pxe so i will do it by floppy
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| 10:07 | <joebaker> OK, that sounds good. That's what I usually do.
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| 10:07 | <pani_alex> i wrote in a linux knoppix
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| 10:07 | <joebaker> Have you found the PCI data for the Network card? lspci -v
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| 10:08 | <pani_alex> cat /path/bootImage... /dev/fd0
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| 10:08 | i have downloaded a image for my onboard lan sis900
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| 10:09 | what is lspci -v?
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| 10:09 | <joebaker> List pci information
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| 10:10 | It tells you the vendor ID and some other id information which can further identify the chipset used on your card.
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| 10:10 | So did you make the floppy?
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| 10:11 | <pani_alex> the list is to long and i can't see all
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| 10:12 | not
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| 10:12 | i try but it stops until finish
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| 10:12 | and get a error
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| 10:12 | <joebaker> Pipe the output through less like this lspci -v | less
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| 10:13 | I'm not really sure if "the list" is the output of an lspci command
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| 10:13 | Or if "the list" referrs to the output of booting off the floppy.
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| 10:16 | <pani_alex> i have search again and my onboard net card supose to suport boot
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| 10:16 | i put it to boot by nerwork, is thise ok?
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| 10:16 | joebaker:
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| 10:17 | <joebaker> Yes, if your bios has a setting to boot from the network...
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| 10:17 | you can do that.
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| 10:17 | Expecially if the NIC is integrated onto the motherboard. This is called PXE booting.
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| 10:18 | It simplifies allot.
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| 10:18 | Although the DHCP configurations are somewhat different than I am accustomed to supporting.
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| 10:18 | <pani_alex> i try but i apears to not foud the server and continue booting other devices
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| 10:19 | <pani_alex> what should i do now
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| 10:19 | ?
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| 10:19 | <joebaker> I think alot of the folks who normally participate in this chat channel are off at a conference in California at an Ubuntu Developers Conference.
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| 10:19 | What's next in the documentation?
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| 10:20 | Have you setup NFS, DHCP, TFTP, ....
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| 10:20 | <pani_alex> dont know, i have installed the k12ltsp, it supose to have all enable and runing
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| 10:20 | <joebaker> OK,
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| 10:21 | <pani_alex> the only think can be breating the file for the client conf
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| 10:21 | breating=creating
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| 10:21 | <joebaker> I usually install ltsp onto another distribution like Mandriva or Ubuntu.
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| 10:22 | <joebaker> No, you should just be able to boot the client now and it should work.
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| 10:22 | <pani_alex> mm
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| 10:22 | <joebaker> You'd create the entry in the file if you wanted some special configurations.
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| 10:22 | <pani_alex> how do i see if the dhcp is runnig
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| 10:23 | <joebaker> Which k12ltsp version are you using.
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| 10:23 | <pani_alex> 5
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| 10:23 | <joebaker> ps ax | grep dhcpd
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| 10:23 | <pani_alex> i shoult write that?
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| 10:24 | <joebaker> sure, paste it into a terminal window as root
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| 10:24 | to start dhcp you could run.....
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| 10:25 | /etc/init.d/dhcpd restart
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| 10:25 | note the space before restart
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| 10:26 | restart or start or stop or maybe even "status" are valid commands
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| 10:26 | WARNING... if your network has a DHCP server, you should not run DHCPd on your linux box. The services interfere with each other.
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| 10:35 | <pani_alex> i have writed that ps ax | grep....
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| 10:35 | and get thise
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| 10:36 | 1860 ? Ss 0:00
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| 10:36 | <pani_alex> joebaker: are you still there?
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| 10:51 | <pani_alex> my ltsp server is all runing
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| 10:51 | <joebaker> Yes...
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| 10:51 | Great!
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| 10:51 | <pani_alex> i stard my client and i dont find the server
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| 10:52 | <joebaker> Are you the network administrator where you are?
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| 10:52 | <pani_alex> i get RPL-ROM-FFC:1..2..3..4..5 and not found
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| 10:52 | yes
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| 10:53 | <joebaker> Are you authorized to start DHCP. Good did you execute.... /etc/init.d/dhcpd start
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| 10:53 | <pani_alex> it is still runing
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| 10:54 | i cheked by ltspadmin in the terminal window
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| 10:54 | all is running ok
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| 10:54 | <joebaker> Have you run ... ltspadmin then "Configure LTSP" then "S Show Configured Services".
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| 10:55 | Do you have a hub or network switch that both machines (server and client are plugged into)
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| 10:56 | <pani_alex> i have a swich and yes all
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| 10:56 | the server and the client are conectet to it
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| 10:56 | the server have the firewall enabled to
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| 10:56 | <joebaker> Perhaps the cabling isn't good enough? I've seen clients that could slowly pass traffic over bad cables yet, dhcp is UDP traffic so retransmissions are not as common.
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| 10:58 | The server's firewall software... Have you opened ports for DHCP, NFS, TFTP, portmap, etc... Maybe try running the server with the firewall off.
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| 10:58 | Is K12LTSP5 based on Fedora Core 6?
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| 10:59 | <pani_alex> i think is fedora5
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| 11:00 | <cliebow> selinux enabled?that def causes probs
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| 11:01 | <pani_alex> i dont know if this can be a isue but i'm running the ltsp server in a virtual machine
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| 11:02 | vmware5
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| 11:04 | <joebaker> I don't think the Virtual machine would be that much of an issue.
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| 11:04 | But you might have to turn off the firewall on the host machine.
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| 11:04 | The host machine running VMWARE.
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| 11:05 | <pani_alex> i have disabled my windows pc firewall and the server and still not detecting the server
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| 11:06 | <joebaker> You see what exactly on the client machine as it boots...
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| 11:10 | <joebaker> Do you have another DHCP server running on your netwok pani_alex? Maybe the client is receiving the DHCP response from another machine first before yours.
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| 11:15 | <pani_alex> nop as i know
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| 11:16 | sorry i was out
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| 11:16 | if i have a dhcp cerver istaled my pc should get ip automaticali and i don't happen
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| 11:16 | i mean in windows
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| 11:17 | <Sephyr> Hi! Can anyone tell me how to get access to the Clients IDE harddrive? I have Ltsp 4.2 up and running on a Mandriva 2005LE server, and SCREEN_02 = shell but I can't see hdc1 on the client
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| 11:21 | <pani_alex> joebaker
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| 11:26 | <pani_alex> can be that my onboard net card is dead?
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| 11:28 | joebaker:
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| 11:29 | ?
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| 11:36 | <cliebow> sbalneav:Scottie!!! Zup?
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| 11:36 | <sbalneav> Hey cliebow
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| 11:36 | How's it going?
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| 11:37 | <cliebow> goodest...any goddies to report from mtv?
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| 11:49 | <cliebow> someone did an awesome job packaging nx for dapper!!!!
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| 11:58 | <sbalneav> cliebow: Check out planet.ubuntu.com. I've got a blog now! :)
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| 11:58 | I'm, like, somebody!
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| 12:02 | <pani_alex> some one to help me
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| 12:02 | i have trouble creating a etherboot floppy
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| 12:03 | before finish i gives me an error
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| 12:04 | please
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| 12:04 | i have been all the day trying thise
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| 12:07 | there is another way to copy a image to the floppy
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| 12:07 | i mean not with cat
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| 12:20 | finaly, i created sucesfully the floppy disk, but the client says no sistem disk or disk error
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| 12:30 | <GooE> i am trying to boot a PC using PXE , this PC is only connected to a linux router which is connected to a server running DHCP and TFTP, do i need a DHCP relay on the linux router to boot the PXE box ?
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| 12:35 | <McPolo> GooE: No. Isn't dhcp relay some mechanism, where you handle dhcp calls between different networks?
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| 12:43 | <Sephyr> Could a similar method to this http://www.geocities.com/cucnews/localhdswap.html be used to mount a local HD on the client?
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| 12:52 | <pani_alex> cuestion, if i download a image of room o matic and meke a disk from it
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| 12:53 | it is the boot disk?
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| 12:53 | becouse my client says: no sistem disk, and dont boot frlom floppy
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| 13:14 | <Sephyr> Can anyone tell me how to get access to the Clients IDE harddrive? I have Ltsp 4.2 up and running on a Mandriva 2005LE server, and SCREEN_02 = shell but I can't see or mount hdc1 on the client
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| 13:27 | <sbalneav> Sephyr: I don't think we have any of the udev magic in place to auto-start ide harddrives
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| 13:28 | In the next version which we're finalizing now (ltsp5), you should be able to see a hard drive, however, I, for one, never understand why people want to see hard drives on diskless thin clients :)
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| 13:44 | <Sephyr> sbalneav: Thanks for reply. The purpose of LTSP at all is because I need access to a CF-card mounted as a IDE-harddrive in a diskless pc I am not allowed to open :(
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| 13:45 | <Sephyr> I might give http://drbl.sourceforge.net/ a try instead :)
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| 13:46 | <pani_alex> if i make i etherboot floppy, it is a booteable disk'
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| 13:46 | ?
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| 13:55 | <sbalneav> pani_alex: Yes, it should be.
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| 13:55 | Sephyr: Good luck with it.
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| 13:56 | <pani_alex> but i put the disk in the client and it saly no sistem disk
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| 13:56 | <sbalneav> What etherboot image did you use, and how did you write it to the floppy?
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| 13:56 | <Sephyr> thanks, just have to reinstall Mandriva now, seems like i f***ed something on the install :p
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| 13:58 | <sbalneav> pani_alex: Which etherboot image did you use, and how did you write it to the floppy?
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| 13:58 | <pani_alex> i'll see
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| 14:00 | eb-5.4.2-sis900.zdsk
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| 14:00 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 14:00 | <pani_alex> with cat
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| 14:00 | <sbalneav> and how did you write it to the floppy
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| 14:00 | what was the command line?
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| 14:00 | <pani_alex> cat /source.. /dev/fd0
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| 14:00 | <sbalneav> probably not the best.
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| 14:01 | <pani_alex> can you tell me other way=
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| 14:01 | ?
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| 14:01 | <sbalneav> Try dd if=eb-5.4.2-sis900.zdsk of=/dev/fd0 bs=8192
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| 14:04 | <panialex> jaja, it works
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| 14:04 | finaly
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| 14:04 | thanks sbalneav
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| 14:04 | <sbalneav> No problem.
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| 14:04 | <panialex> now will probe booting
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| 14:06 | problem, the resolution seens to be to heigth
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| 14:07 | and the monitor dont support it
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| 14:07 | how do i do to put this client in 800x600
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| 14:07 | ?
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| 14:07 | <sbalneav> What version of ltsp are you using?
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| 14:07 | 4.2?
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| 14:08 | If so, X_MODE_0 = 800x600 should work for that workstation's entry.
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| 14:08 | <panialex> yes
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| 14:08 | where i put it
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| 14:08 | i know nothing of this
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| 14:08 | is my first time booting one
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| 14:09 | <sbalneav> The wiki has information on this, as well as the documentation on the home page.
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| 14:09 | Time to start reading! :)
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| 14:09 | <panialex> ok
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| 14:09 | ill probe it tomorow
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| 14:09 | thanks all
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| 14:09 | <sbalneav> No problem.
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| 14:54 | <knitoperu> Hi everybody!!!
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| 14:54 | I have an "K12ltsp" server installed
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| 14:54 | I know that is not extrictly an ltsp... but share basis with
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| 14:55 | my problem is that when I try to boot from a client using an vt-6105 card
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| 14:56 | from a diskette, It remains saying 0200 AX:0212 BX:2400 CX:0001 DX:0100
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| 14:56 | one an another time... and no booting
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| 14:56 | <dtrask> knitoperu: what is a vt-6105? What brand?
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| 14:56 | <knitoperu> does anyone knows what's happening???
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| 14:57 | <dtrask> knitoperu: Are you using the Universal Boot Floppy image?
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| 14:57 | <knitoperu> is a network card enl832-TX-VA ( I'm almost sure that is an Encore)
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| 14:57 | and it use tu be running
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| 14:57 | nope
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| 14:58 | <knitoperu> I make an image in "etherboot" 2 or 3 years ago
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| 14:58 | I will try with that Universal Boot Floppy
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| 14:58 | I supose taht I can download it from ltsp page?
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| 14:59 | <dtrask> no it's in K12LTSP....just outside the bootrom images directory
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| 15:01 | #/tftpboot/lts/boot/bootroms
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| 15:01 | <knitoperu> I will find it, thankyou
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| 15:02 | <dtrask> do this: cat Universal_Boot_Floppy.dsk > /dev/fd0 to get it onto the floppy disk
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| 15:02 | hope that helps :-)
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| 15:08 | <knitoperu> new question: How can I be sure that my server etherboot boot system is working?
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| 15:09 | maybe, only pxe is working
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| 15:13 | <ctkroeker> How can I run Skype on a ltsp thin client? The server is running edubuntu. The clients play normal mp3's just fine, but I can't find a way to get skype audio workin...
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| 15:13 | <Gadi> ctkroeker: you cannot at this time - LTSP currently does not support bidirectional audio by default
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| 15:14 | this will hopefully change in the next release
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| 15:14 | <ctkroeker> Not even in the 5.0 beta version?
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| 15:14 | <Gadi> not even
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| 15:15 | now, that doesnt mean you cant hack it up
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| 15:15 | <ctkroeker> Just to make sure, do any other VoIP apps work?
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| 15:15 | <Gadi> but, atm, LTSP uses "esd" as its sound transport mechanism, and it only supports audio playback
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| 15:15 | <ctkroeker> ah
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| 15:16 | <Gadi> in the next release, we will move to pulseaudio, which will add bidirectional supportt
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| 15:16 | <ctkroeker> how would you propose "I hack it up" on the current version?
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| 15:16 | <Gadi> there is a wiki on the web somewhere for getting it to use pulseaudio
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| 15:17 | or, as an alternative, you can look into running Skype as a local app on the client
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| 15:17 | which would actually be the best way of doing it, if you plan on having lots of clients using VOIP at the same time
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| 15:18 | <ctkroeker> you got a manual somewhere?
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| 15:18 | I looked into the pulseaudio and it doesn't look so promissing
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| 15:18 | <Gadi> heh - if I had a manual, we wouldn't need a manual, because it would be in there :)
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| 15:19 | are you using LTSP 4.2 or edubuntu's ltsp-server?
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| 15:19 | <ctkroeker> edubuntu's
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| 15:19 | just found http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Edgy/HOWTO:_PulseAudio
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| 15:20 | <Gadi> and what is not promising about it?
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| 15:20 | <ctkroeker> Well, I just found it now
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| 15:20 | <Gadi> ah, ok
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| 15:21 | give it a whirl and if not look into installing skype as a local app
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| 15:21 | <Gadi> good luck
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| 15:21 | <ctkroeker> u think it''l work ok? I have a GB LAN connection and 4-6 clients
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| 15:21 | k, thanks for the help
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| 15:46 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: vagrantc was last seen in #ltsp 1 week, 2 days, 4 hours, 36 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <vagrantc> Arsenick-tc2l: and which version of ltsp?
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| 15:58 | <Psych0> hi there!!
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| 16:11 | <Psych0> how can I change the Refresh rate in the thin clients?
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| 16:28 | <cliebow> Psycho: you ca specify an entire modeline..with x_MODE_0 i believe
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| 16:30 | <Psych0> cliebow: i have some old monitors here.. they are getting only 640x480... even if i configure X_MODE_0=800x600
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| 16:32 | ok.. i got 800x600.. but only if i use X_COLOR_DEPTH = 8
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| 16:33 | how can i do that!?! no one deserves 256 colors!!
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| 16:37 | <cliebow> Psycho: can you get a modeline for those monitors by using them with knoppix and loking at successful xorg.conf?
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| 16:50 | <Psych0> cliebow: i'm donwloading kurimin.. it is based on knoppix.. does it create the modline or just shows the horizontal and vertical refresh rate?
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| 16:52 | <g333k_work> cliebow, whats the meaning of the "EL" in the name of K12LTSP.EL ?
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| 16:55 | <cliebow> Psych0: ought to be a full modeline there somewhere
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| 16:56 | <g333k_work> cliebow, what about my doubt?
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| 16:57 | <bronze> g333k_work: use the source, you will find faith to conquer your doubt...
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| 16:58 | * bronze notes that "E:" stands for "Enterprise Level" in RedHat products | |
| 16:58 | <bronze> er "El"
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| 16:59 | <Psych0> cliebow: i already have slackware installed on this TC.. they are working with 800x600 but with 57Hz
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| 17:01 | <cliebow> g33k: must be enterprise linux...egomaniacal lumbago..sing like thatometh
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| 17:01 | damn keyboard
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| 17:01 | something like that
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| 17:04 | <g333k_work> cliebow, but are the differences between the EL and not EL versions?
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| 17:04 | are there any*
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| 17:14 | <cliebow> g33k: i am not sure..i went ubuntu a year ago for that resaon
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| 17:15 | <vagrantc> Psych0: you sure you have enough video memory for 800x600@16bpp ? i think about 1-2MB i needed.
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| 17:15 | <dberkholz> the difference is mostly you get older versions with enterprise
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| 17:19 | <cliebow> x
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| 17:19 | xds
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| 17:21 | <Psych0> vagrantc: the clients have 16mb onboard video cards...
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| 17:21 | i'm just burning knoppix...
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| 17:28 | <moquist> sbalneav: http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/000095399/basedefs/xbd_chap03.html#tag_03_426
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| 18:39 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: did y'all talk about how to handle "upstream" for ltsp 5 this past week?
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| 19:01 | <cliebow> rjune:Hey!!!
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| 19:30 | <g333k_work> Hello, I have installed K12LTSP 4.2.3EL, I have configured all the files and get the PXE booting, but after the booting I receive this message: "Failed to mount the root directory via NFS!" how can I solve it?
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| 19:36 | <cliebow> how does /etc/ecportds look?
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| 19:36 | heh /etc/exports
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| 19:38 | <g333k_work> cliebow, nevermind, solved!
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| 19:38 | <cliebow> k
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| 19:39 | <g333k_work> cliebow, I have running ltspadmin... because the xdmcp service appears to be disabled, I piuck the 7th option but it tells me that xdmcp is already configured, how can I do to make it ask me the questions again?
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| 19:40 | <cliebow> so you get hray screen and x?
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| 19:41 | <g333k_work> cliebow, yes I got it
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| 19:42 | cliebow, I got gdm
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| 19:42 | <cliebow> lemme get a url
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| 19:42 | oh all set then..
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| 19:44 | <g333k_work> cliebow, Now I have created users, but I cant log in with any of my users
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| 19:45 | <cliebow> hmmm
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| 19:47 | look at your logs
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| 19:50 | <rjune> cliebow: !
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| 19:50 | <g333k_work> cliebow, So what's new in K12LTSP?
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| 19:52 | <cliebow> i dont know..eric fifnt say much when i saw him last week
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| 19:53 | rjune:holding your own i hope
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| 19:54 | sound with alsa is a big subjecy lately
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| 19:56 | <cliebow> jammcq spoke of phone apps as the wave of the future for ltsp...amd muskow of course
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| 19:56 | <rjune> cliebow: working on ity
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| 19:58 | <cliebow> youtlittUbuntu le one thriving..of course
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| 19:58 | god
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| 19:58 | your little one thriving of course//
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| 20:36 | <edgarin> Hi to all
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| 20:37 | <cliebow> ho!
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