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Channel log from 17 November 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:05 | <Trixboxer> Hi, Is it possible to run a script once a user logs in the fat-client ? Where should I write the script, In server or fat-client ?
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| 02:07 | <gnunux> hi
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| 02:16 | <alkisg> Trixboxer: inside the user session? A good place is in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/xdg/autostart
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| 02:55 | <Trixboxer> alkisg: Sorry for late reply.. I was away
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| 02:56 | alkisg: Actually the problem is.. when users starts application like firefox it creates a lock file and upon the fat-client hang he has to restart it
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| 02:57 | so, the lock files remains there even after restart and from then he cant start firefox
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| 02:57 | so I just want to run a script which will clear all log files of the user who is just logging in
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| 02:57 | log = lock
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| 03:00 | <alkisg> Trixboxer: if you're just looking for a workaround for firefox, just edit the /usr/bin/firefox script to delete that lock when it starts
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| 03:01 | <Trixboxer> no no its for most of apps like firefox, chrome, opera, thunderbird, skype and ...
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| 03:03 | <alkisg> Check if you're having the statd problem with nfs on ubuntu
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| 03:03 | * alkisg had to use NFS_HOME_OPTIONS=nolock to work around it | |
| 03:03 | <Trixboxer> whats that 0_o
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| 03:03 | ok under [Default] ?
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| 03:04 | and my NFS is in sync.. should I make it async ?
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| 03:05 | <muppis> I think Trixboxer means lockfiles set by application itself, like FF's .parentlock
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| 03:05 | ?
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| 03:05 | <Trixboxer> yes
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| 03:06 | under their own app folder
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| 03:06 | <alkisg> Yes, but those should work without having to resort to all these workarounds
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| 03:08 | <Trixboxer> alkisg: shall I put NFS_HOME_OPTIONS=nolock under [Default] ?
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| 03:09 | <alkisg> Trixboxer: I mean that you'd better troubleshoot and find out what's causing that problem
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| 03:09 | When do those apps hang? Why don't they start again after hanging? Etc etc
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| 03:09 | <Trixboxer> this is how it looks "./.mozilla/firefox/9jtaholt.default/lock -> 127.0.0.2:+2126"
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| 03:10 | "./.thunderbird/0tx7x1s2.default/lock -> 127.0.0.2:+1850"
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| 03:10 | and both locks are dead symlinks
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| 03:11 | <alkisg> OK, I have one for mozilla too on my standalone PC. So?
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| 03:14 | If I backup that lock, then close firefox, then put back the lock (so as to simulate a crashed firefox), then firefox still starts without complaining
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| 03:15 | <Trixboxer> hmm
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| 03:15 | The error showed is "Firefox is already running"
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| 03:15 | or "Opera is already running"
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| 03:15 | and once I remove the lock files .. all goes smooth
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| 03:16 | <alkisg> Is it already running? Why wasn't the lock file removed if it was correctly closed? Etc.
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| 03:26 | <Trixboxer> It was not closed correctly
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| 03:27 | <Trixboxer> Due to some bad habits firefox usually hangs the system and then they just press the reboot button
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| 03:27 | they open a new firefox instance for every website which they want to visit
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| 03:27 | :(
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| 03:29 | <alkisg> OK, but even so, after rebooting the fat client, firefox should be able to delete the lock and start without complaining.
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| 03:29 | <Lifeboy> Regarding my jetpipe issue yesterday, which turned out to be due to loading the wrong image from /srv rather than /opt, I now have port 9100 listening on the chroot on the client device. It seems however that I don't have access to the printer from cups since I "find" the printer on 192.168.8.102:9100, but there is no response from the printer at all. Any thoughts?
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| 03:29 | <muppis> How they do that? FF detects if it is already running and responses so it just opens new windows to same process.
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| 03:30 | <Trixboxer> alkisg: when I fired "w" it shows same user twice I think that's the reason..
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| 03:30 | after reboot
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| 03:35 | <Lifeboy> Or let me ask this: Are there any special steps that need to be taken to allow printing to a local device (like adding a user to lpadmin or the like?
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| 03:36 | <alkisg> Trixboxer: then maybe you should enable LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION, so that the old session gets deleted before the user logs in again
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| 03:36 | <Trixboxer> wow
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| 03:36 | bingo
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| 03:36 | but where do I specify this option then ?
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| 03:36 | <alkisg> In lts.conf
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| 03:36 | <Trixboxer> under [Default] correct ?
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| 03:37 | <muppis> yes
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| 03:37 | <Trixboxer> so its only LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION or LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION=true ?
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| 03:38 | <alkisg> LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION=True
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| 03:38 | <Trixboxer> http://pastebin.com/uuJiqPwm
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| 03:38 | <alkisg> There's also LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION_PROMPT if you want
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| 03:38 | <Trixboxer> :) that was the result of google
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| 03:38 | <alkisg> (that'll show them a dialog telling them that they're already logged in, and if they want to kill the old processes etc)
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| 03:38 | <Trixboxer> whenever you give me any option.. I start googling on it
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| 03:39 | <alkisg> (it might be a good idea to remind them that alt+ctrl+del is a bad habit :D)
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| 03:39 | <Trixboxer> and what results is the "#ltsp channel logs" :P
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| 03:39 | <alkisg> Heh
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| 03:39 | <Trixboxer> alkisg: and most of links have your name on it
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| 03:40 | <alkisg> Yeah I think I need to cut down on my IRC time :D
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| 03:40 | <Trixboxer> no please
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| 03:40 | :)
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| 03:42 | once you spend enogh time here.. there might be some people who will share your unsaid responsibility ( like me ) with required knowledge
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| 03:42 | I love IRC.. get help and help other :)
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| 03:50 | <Lifeboy> Anyone? I installed cups and hplip in the chroot originally to try to troubleshoot the printing problem, but since it wasn't printer related I suppose I could remove hplip and cups again?
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| 04:01 | <Lifeboy> Does anyone know if cups and or hplip has to be installed in the chroot to allow printing to a local printer on a client?
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| 04:01 | (For an HP USB printer that is - of course hplip is not needed for other printers)
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| 04:16 | <Lifeboy> More on the topic of local printing: Does jetpipe use cups to publish the printer?
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| 04:51 | <muppis> Lifeboy, I can't fully recall what I've done, but I think at least cups needed in thin.
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| 06:22 | <Lifeboy> muppis: I have ensured that cups is installed and cups on the server actually connects to the printer on 192.168.8.102:9100. It just doesn't print. It even says in the printer status that the printer is connected!
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| 06:23 | There seems to be very little documentation on the details of this. All is assumed to work, but once I've figured it out, I'll add some stuff to the wiki with the info in it.
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| 06:24 | <ogra_ac> generally its very few code thats used on the client
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| 06:24 | it is only jetpipe that connects the TCP port directly to the printer device
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| 06:25 | no other code is needed, so if you have probs its easy to check whats wrong by just checking port 9100 is available or not
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| 06:25 | <Lifeboy> I tried without cups in chroot, but it doesn't seem to be able to connect to the printer from X then. After I added cups again, it seemed fine.
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| 06:25 | <ogra_ac> ugh
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| 06:25 | dont ever install cups in the chroot unless you run a fat client and print locally
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| 06:25 | and even then
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| 06:26 | drivers and everything else is handled on the server
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| 06:26 | if you dont see port 9100 with a single printer attached, debug why jetpipe doesnt run
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| 06:27 | <alkisg1> Does jetpipe work with any printer? Or is it only for some specific hp models?
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| 06:27 | <ogra_ac> jetpipe only connects the lp device to a TCP port
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| 06:27 | it does nothing else
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| 06:27 | nothing HW specific or anything
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| 06:28 | so no, its not printer or vendor specific at all
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| 06:28 | its really only a raw datapipe
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| 06:28 | Lifeboy, what were the symptoms you had before messing around with your chroot ?
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| 06:29 | <alkisg1> Ah, I thought it was related to jetdirect, which wikipedia says is only for some hp printers... ty
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| 06:29 | <ogra_ac> you use the jetdirect protocol
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| 06:29 | but thats unrelated
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| 06:30 | cups does that for any kind of printer ... HP just invented that protocol
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| 06:31 | <alkisg1> So it only does a stream forwarding? Like e.g. inetd or nc does?
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| 06:31 | <ogra_ac> right
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| 06:32 | <ogra_ac> we should have a printer debugging page so people dont get the insane idea to install cups on the client
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| 06:33 | that will very likely end up in race conditions with jetpipe
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| 06:33 | and your printer wont print at all
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| 06:46 | <Lifeboy> The logs in chroot just have :
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| 06:46 | Nov 17 20:47:30 ltsp102 kernel: [ 13.876703] usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 2 if 0 alt 0 proto 2 vid 0x03F0 pid 0x8604
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| 06:46 | Nov 17 20:47:30 ltsp102 kernel: [ 13.876987] usbcore: registered new interface driver usblp
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| 06:46 | The rest doesn't pertain to printing
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| 06:46 | And of course
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| 06:47 | roland@ltsp102:~$ netstat -tunap | grep 9100
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| 06:47 | (No info could be read for "-p": geteuid()=1000 but you should be root.)
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| 06:47 | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:9100 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN -
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| 06:47 | tcp 68812 0 192.168.8.102:9100 192.168.8.100:33108 ESTABLISHED -
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| 06:47 | So the jetpipe is listening
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| 06:50 | Here is some more info
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| 06:50 | roland@ltsp102:~$ netstat -tunap | grep 9100
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| 06:50 | (No info could be read for "-p": geteuid()=1000 but you should be root.)
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| 06:51 | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:9100 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN -
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| 06:51 | tcp 68812 0 192.168.8.102:9100 192.168.8.100:33108 ESTABLISHED -
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| 06:54 | <ogra_ac> Lifeboy, ls -l /dev/usblp0 on your client ?
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| 06:57 | as i said above, if you have cups installed while jetpipe is running you will very likely run into race conditions for the device between cups and jetpipe, so your printer wont print at times
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| 06:58 | (or even constantly, depending who claims the printer device first)
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| 07:00 | <AndyGraybeal> morning everyone.
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| 07:52 | <Lifeboy> ogra_ac: ls -l /dev/usblp0
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| 07:52 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 2010-11-17 20:47 /dev/usblp0 -> usb/lp0
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| 07:53 | <ogra_ac> so did you try it with /dev/usb/lp0 instead ?
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| 07:54 | in lts.conf
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| 07:56 | <Lifeboy> Ok, I missed some stuff that was said re cups in chroot. I'll have to change irc clients. Empathy is not a good one...
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| 07:57 | I read it all in the #ltsp logs now, so I'll remove cups again.
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| 07:57 | from the chroot that is.
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| 07:58 | <ogra_ac> right, remove cups then chack if jetpipe runs
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| 07:58 | <Lifeboy> jetpipe runs
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| 07:58 | <ogra_ac> if thats the case start looking for the issue on the server side
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| 07:59 | <Lifeboy> the printer doesn'
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| 07:59 | t print
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| 07:59 | <ogra_ac> did jetpipe run before you installed cups ?
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| 08:00 | <Lifeboy> Would jetpipe run with the wrong printer setting?
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| 08:00 | in lts.conf?
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| 08:00 | <ogra_ac> no
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| 08:00 | <Lifeboy> but jetpipe runs fine now
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| 08:01 | <ogra_ac> but you have cups installed on the client
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| 08:01 | jetpipe only check if the device exists
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| 08:01 | it doesnt check if it can write to it (since that would print unwanted stuff)
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| 08:01 | <Lifeboy> ok let me first remove that and then we'll see
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| 08:03 | <ogra_ac> if yu have done that and jetpipe still runs fine, start searching for the problem server sided i.e. is the right driver used, is your jetdirect set up properly etc
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| 08:04 | jetpipe itself is completely dumb, the original code i wrote was 30 lines, imagine it like a piece of wire, all important stuff happens on the cups server on the server
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| 08:07 | there are some HP printers for which you need hplip kernel drivers though, for these you need to run the hplip scripts on the client
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| 08:07 | else they wont properly expose their usb device
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| 08:23 | <Lifeboy> Ok, cups is out and hplip is installed.
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| 08:23 | however, if I run hp-setup in chroot it doesn't find a printer
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| 08:23 | neither on usb, nor a network printer
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| 08:23 | <ogra_ac> in chroot ?
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| 08:24 | <Lifeboy> yes
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| 08:24 | <ogra_ac> indeed it wont find a printer in a chroot
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| 08:24 | so you have a HP printer ?
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| 08:24 | <Lifeboy> :-) no, I expressed myself poorly. I run in an ssh session on the thin client.
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| 08:25 | Yes, I have an HP 5443
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| 08:25 | deskjet
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| 08:25 | <Lifeboy> connected to usb0
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| 08:25 | the log says:
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| 08:26 | <Lifeboy> Nov 17 20:47:30 ltsp102 kernel: [ 13.876703] usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 2 if 0 alt 0 proto 2 vid 0x03F0 pid 0x8604
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| 08:26 | Nov 17 20:47:30 ltsp102 kernel: [ 13.876987] usbcore: registered new interface driver usblp
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| 08:27 | that is in /var/log/messages
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| 08:27 | <ogra_ac> looks fine
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| 08:27 | so how did you set it up on the server ?
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| 08:27 | oh, and is jetpipe still running ?
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| 08:28 | (just check with ps )
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| 08:32 | <Lifeboy> 0:00 /usr/bin/python /usr/sbin/jetpipe -b 9600 -y 8 -p none -x /dev/usblp0 9100
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| 08:32 | <ogra_ac> looks fine
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| 08:32 | how is your server set up ?
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| 08:36 | <Lifeboy> I've just asked the client to plug the printer into a different normal desktop computer to see if it works there. I have a suspicion that something has gone wrong with the printer... :-( Once he's completed these tests I'll report back.
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| 08:37 | Thanks for all the help so far, ogra_ac and others
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| 08:37 | I also aksed him to try another cable for good measure
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| 08:37 | I have to run to a meeting, will be back later
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| 11:06 | <Trixboxer> alkisg: I have made the necessary changes in lts.conf but still the same user can login from tow places.. and a dialog appears to second user "OK/Cancel" and if he says Ok .. it allows both users to login
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| 11:08 | [Default]
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| 11:08 | NFS_HOME=/home
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| 11:08 | LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION=True
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| 11:08 | LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION_PROMPT=True
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| 13:39 | <wideyes> @alkisg: hey there - just wanted to say I got my setup working, and thanks for your help!
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| 13:39 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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| 13:40 | <wideyes> as you may recall, I had initially copied my tftboot setup files over to my dhcp server, which was separate from my ltsp server
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| 13:40 | I was messing around with the next-server directive
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| 13:41 | the dhcp setting that I found worked was simply to leave out the next-server AND the root-path options altogether
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| 13:42 | my pxelinux.cof/default settings linked to the nbd server on the ltsp station
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| 13:43 | I thought I had tried all of that. I think what made the difference was nixing the root-path option
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| 13:43 | I remembered that we had left off on that note, so I wanted to fill you in on what ended up working
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| 14:03 | <wideyes> I do have one further question, though: in my lts.conf file, I'm getting strange results when I try to activate a shell using the SCREEN_0X option
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| 14:05 | <wideyes> when specifying this, I found that setting SCREEN_07=ldm was the only way to get an ldm login screen at bootup. Fair enough, but when I Ctrl+Alt+F key, it goes to what looks like a login for the local machine, but no username I've tried works
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| 14:05 | using SCREEN_02=shell, for example
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| 14:06 | but after a moment, what looks like a logged-in root shell will popup, but as soon as I hit enter, it will ask me to login to the local client again
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| 14:06 | it's very strange
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| 14:09 | <alkisg> wideyes: about the dhcp server, it'd be best if you specified the next-server, so that you don't have to transfer your ltsp kernels every time you update the chroot
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| 14:10 | !SCREEN_02
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| 14:10 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "SCREEN_02" :: (#1) To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client, put these in your lts.conf: (default <name>) -- Returns the default value of the configuration variable <name>. {enter}SCREEN_02=shell{enter}SCREEN_07=ldm{enter}. Then reboot the client, and press Alt+Ctrl+F2 to get to the root shell., or (#2) for Debian use SCREEN_07=ldm, SCREEN_08=shell and SCREEN_DEFAULT=07
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| 14:10 | <alkisg> Ugh that's messed up now
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| 14:10 | vagrantc, use SCREEN_08 for debian, don't change the ubuntu one :D
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| 14:11 | !forget SCREEN_02
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| 14:11 | <ltspbot> alkisg: Error: 2 factoids have that key. Please specify which one to remove, or use * to designate all of them.
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| 14:11 | <alkisg> !forget SCREEN_02 *
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| 14:11 | <ltspbot> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 14:12 | <alkisg> learn SCREEN_02 as To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client, put SCREEN_02=shell and SCREEN_07=ldm in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf. Then reboot the client, and press Alt+Ctrl+F2 to get to the root shell.
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| 14:12 | !learn SCREEN_02 as To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client, put SCREEN_02=shell and SCREEN_07=ldm in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf. Then reboot the client, and press Alt+Ctrl+F2 to get to the root shell.
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| 14:12 | <ltspbot> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 14:12 | <alkisg> !learn SCREEN_08 as To get a root shell on a Debian thin client, put SCREEN_07=ldm, SCREEN_08=shell and SCREEN_DEFAULT=07 to lts.conf.
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| 14:12 | <ltspbot> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 14:14 | <alkisg> wideyes: so for a local root shell, you may try setting both SCREEN_02=shell and SCREEN_07=ldm.
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| 14:55 | <wideyes> sorry alki, was pulled away from work
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| 14:55 | yes, I tried that setting as you suggested
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| 14:56 | I also tried many others, such as putting SCREEN_01-SCREEN_06 all as shell, followed by SCREEN_07 as ldm
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| 14:56 | like a typical linux setup
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| 15:00 | although, testing it right now to give you some more feedback, it works like it should
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| 15:00 | for the first time
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| 15:00 | man, you're good, alkisg!
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| 15:01 | I'll test it a little more
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| 20:01 | <cliebow> AndyGrayBeal: i am doing apple training in Boston
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