IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 7 July 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 07:16 | <shan> Hello! We have a server running ubuntu 8.04 LTS server. I have ltsp 5.0 installed on the same.
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| 07:17 | We have purchased new nodes to be added to this ltsp installation, the configuration of the machine is Dual core with intel 915 chipset
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| 07:18 | When I boot up the nodes it goes up to the ubuntu log and then freezes
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| 07:18 | can some one help me with this issue.
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| 07:24 | <alkisg> Press Esc to hide the logo to see the error messages
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| 07:26 | <kim_> i have setup ltsp on ubuntu 9.04 before 3 month it was working fine ,,,,now it is now even booting the client
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| 07:26 | and if i tried with other version kiosk mode is not working
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| 07:27 | it is coming desktop on client side
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| 07:27 | <alkisg> Why is it not booting? Error message?
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| 07:28 | <shan> After the log is displayed for a short while the screen goes blank with the cursor blinking at the top left hand corner
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| 07:28 | <kim_> on client side ...it is not booting ...even not taking ip address
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| 07:29 | alkisg: what about other version if i try kiosk mode ...why desktop is coming
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| 07:29 | <alkisg> shan: instead of pressing "Esc" to hide the logo, you can also disable it by removing "quiet splash" from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 07:29 | <shan> on pressing Ctrl +Alt+F1 it get IP-Config:eth0 hardware address d0:27:88:6b:9b:1a mtu 1500 DHCP RARP
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| 07:30 | it doesn't proceed any further
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| 07:30 | <alkisg> kim_: the kiosk plugin had some bugs in recent versions, but it can be made to work, there are bugs + workarounds against this problem in launchpad
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| 07:30 | <kim_> alkisg :can u send me the link
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| 07:31 | <alkisg> kim_: your problem is your dhcp server. You're looking to upgrade to a newer ubuntu version instead?
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| 07:32 | <kim_> alkisg : but before that it was working fine for me on 9.04, what hapen suddenly
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| 07:32 | alkisg : end me the link for bug fix on recent version
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| 07:32 | <alkisg> shan: the older clients work, and only these new ones aren't able to boot? Then it's probably a network module problem.
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| 07:32 | !adding-modules | echo shan:
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| 07:32 | <ltsp> shan: adding-modules: If your clients won't boot with messages like 'eth0: link not ready', maybe you're missing an initramfs-module: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/AddingModules.
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| 07:33 | <alkisg> kim_: It's on launchpad, I don't have it handy. There's a page there with about 40 ltsp bugs, it's one of those.
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| 07:34 | <kim_> alkisg : tell me where is the launchpad.....
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| 07:34 | <shan> ltsp: i just disabled the splash and found that the boot stopped at [27.204016] r8169: eth0: link up
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| 07:34 | <alkisg> kim_: Google for it, you'll find it in the first result
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| 07:34 | <shan> alkisg: yes all the older clients work just fine
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| 07:34 | <alkisg> shan: ltsp is a bot, a program that helps in taking notes on the channel
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| 07:35 | <shan> oh! ok. ;)
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| 07:35 | alkisg: any clue from my last post?
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| 07:36 | <alkisg> shan: yes, I send you a link with the solution to your problem above
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| 07:36 | The one about adding-modules
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| 07:36 | <shan> thank you, I will try it out immediately and get back to you if I have any problems
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| 07:36 | I am at the page, I will try and get back to you.
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| 07:38 | <kim_> alkisg : can u expain me why this 9.04 is not working now as it was before...,.y client is not booting
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| 07:38 | alkisg : is there any solution that i can check
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| 07:40 | <alkisg> kim_: you did something that broke your dhcp server, so that's what needs troubleshooting
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| 07:40 | But decide first if you want to fix your existing installation, or upgrade to a newer os versio
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| 07:40 | n
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| 07:41 | <kim_> alkisg : existing setup ...i want because we are running this only
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| 07:42 | alkisg : can u suggest me how to solve this problem....we are having opur own dhcp server we are booting from there ...from here we are only taking firefox image
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| 07:42 | <alkisg> kim_: is your dhcp server the same as your ltsp server? Or is it on a separate machine?
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| 07:43 | <kim_> alkisg : seperate machine
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| 07:43 | <alkisg> Which os/version?
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| 07:43 | <kim_> dhcp is on windows 2003 and ltsp on 9.04
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| 07:44 | <alkisg> Then the problem is on your windows server
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| 07:44 | This might help you: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWindowsDHCP
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| 07:45 | <kim_> alkisg : no actually if i try with other ltsp server which is on 10.04 , 11.04 ,, client is booting ....what from 9.04 not
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| 07:45 | alkisg : i think it is not dhcp server problem
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| 07:45 | <alkisg> kim_: you said that the client doesn't take an ip
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| 07:45 | That's always a dhcp problem
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| 07:46 | <kim_> but why from other setup it is taking ip.......it means dhcp server is working fine'
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| 07:46 | <alkisg> Maybe it means that in 10.04 you have a second dhcp server running there
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| 07:46 | So you have a broken setup with 2 dhcp servers on the same network.
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| 07:48 | <kim_> alkisg : what do u mwan by second dhcp server.....
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| 07:49 | <alkisg> kim_: you say that you are using a windows dhcp server
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| 07:49 | Then, if you power OFF your ltsp servers, the client should still get an IP
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| 07:49 | <shan> alkisg: I went up to the point of making the additional_net_modules executable
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| 07:49 | <alkisg> Does it?
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| 07:50 | <shan> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels it say that there is no such file or directory
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| 07:50 | <kim_> alkisg : ya but we set up dhcp server like that if client will boot he will get ip from there but imager from ltsp
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| 07:50 | <alkisg> shan: ok ignore that command, it shouldn't cause a problem, go on with following the rest of the wiki page
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| 07:51 | kim_: you say "ya", does that mean that the client gets an IP if the ltsp server if powered off?
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| 07:51 | Because above you said that your problem is that the client doesn't take an ip
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| 07:51 | Please be specific in your answers, different answers mean different problems
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| 07:52 | <shan> alkisg: I did ltsp-update-kernels ... so where would the new kernel image that I have to copy into the tftp directory be?
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| 07:52 | <alkisg> shan: ltsp-update-kernels copies the image to the tftp dir, so you don't need to copy anything manually
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| 07:52 | Try rebooting the client now
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| 07:53 | <shan> alkisg: I did try rebooting the client, it is still the same.
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| 07:54 | <alkisg> shan: ls /lib/modules/*/kernel/drivers/net/r8169.ko
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| 07:54 | Is that file there?
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| 07:54 | <kim_> alkisg : see we have set ltsp server like this if client boot he will boot through pxe then he will get ip and image from ltsp
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| 07:55 | alkisg : we have given dhcpd.conf file to domain team, then have done this
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| 07:55 | alkisg : before that i was hapeng now it is not
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| 07:56 | <alkisg> kim_: I understand what you're saying. Please try what I said and tell me the result, if you want me to continue helping you. Power off the ltsp server, and see if your thin client gets an IP. If it doesn't, it's a windows dhcp server problem, so you need to contact the windows administrator.
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| 07:56 | <shan> alkisg: /lib/modules/2.6.24-19-server/kernel/drivers/net/r8169.ko
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| 07:56 | was the output
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| 07:56 | it was there for 19 through 29 the last two digits
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| 07:57 | <kim_> alkisg ; client is getting ip if ltsp server is off ...this is true
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| 07:57 | <alkisg> kim_: you said above that the client doesn't take an IP. So that wasn't true?
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| 07:57 | <kim_> alkisg : but again client is booting normally not pxe
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| 07:57 | <alkisg> So what is the problem? What's the error message on the client?
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| 07:57 | kim_: no no don't boot the client normally
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| 07:58 | The client should say something like this:
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| 07:58 | <kim_> alkisg : i said when client boot through pxe . not getting ip...
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| 07:58 | <alkisg> Doing PXE... got ip=1.2.3.4 .... trying to download from tftp... tftp timeout
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| 07:58 | So, with the ltsp server powered off, the client should get an ip ***with PXE***, and then you should get a tftp timeout
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| 07:58 | <kim_> alkisg : ya it showing dhcp...........
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| 07:58 | <alkisg> Right. And then?
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| 07:59 | It continues booting from local disk?
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| 07:59 | <kim_> ya then it continue boot through local disk......
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| 07:59 | <alkisg> kim_: right, so the problem is in your windows dhcp server
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| 07:59 | That link that I send you half an hour ago, show it to your windows administrator
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| 08:00 | It's working with 10.04 because you have another dhcp server there, which is bad for your network
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| 08:00 | The correct solution is what I said above, tell them to fix the windows dhcp server.
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| 08:00 | <kim_> alkisg : k i agry with u ....but y it is working with other ltsp setup ....if problem with dhcp server
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| 08:00 | <alkisg> (11:00:17 πμ) alkisg: It's working with 10.04 because you have another dhcp server there, which is bad for your network
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| 08:01 | <kim_> alkisg : i sto the other dhcp server on 10.04
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| 08:01 | alkisg : then also it is working
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| 08:01 | <alkisg> That doesn't make sense
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| 08:01 | Try it now
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| 08:02 | <kim_> k
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| 08:02 | <shan> alkisg: the ls command listed the following
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| 08:02 | /lib/modules/2.6.24-19-server/kernel/drivers/net/r8169.ko
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| 08:02 | for 2.6.24-19 to 29
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| 08:02 | <alkisg> shan: ok, so 8.04 has that module. Let's see if you got it in your initramfs
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| 08:02 | shan: sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 08:03 | Where "quiet splash" was, put "break=top"
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| 08:03 | You'll get an initramfs> prompt
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| 08:03 | See if r8169.ko is there, in /lib/modules... etc
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| 08:06 | <shan> (initramfs) [ 25.294863] input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input1
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| 08:07 | <kim_> alkisg ; see i have checked some trobleshoot ,,,,,when i run start tftpd-hpa.....it is showing start: Unknown job: tftpd-hpa
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| 08:07 | <shan> I hit enter and i got the initramfs prompt
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| 08:07 | <kim_> alkisg : now tell me what i do
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| 08:08 | <alkisg> kim_: I told you above what to try, you didn't try it. Instead, you're trying something with tftpd-hpa, which is completely unrelated. Try stopping the dhcp server, not the tftp server.
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| 08:08 | <kim_> k
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| 08:08 | <alkisg> shan: ls /lib/modules... etc, check if the r8169.ko is there
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| 08:10 | <shan> yes the r8169.ko file is available in /lib/modules....etc
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| 08:11 | <alkisg> shan: then it's not a missing module problem, let's move on. Replace "break=top" with "break=bottom" and reboot the client
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| 08:11 | What do you get with that?
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| 08:11 | <shan> ok
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| 08:13 | alkisg: now again it has stopped at r8169: eth0: link up
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| 08:13 | <alkisg> shan: it sounds like a bug then, either in r8169.ko or, more probably, in ipconfig
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| 08:13 | shan: here's a possible workaround
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| 08:14 | Again in pxelinux.cfg/default, remove "break=bottom", but
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| 08:14 | at a NEW line at the end of the file, put this:
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| 08:14 | ipappend 3
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| 08:14 | <alkisg> Save, reboot client. If it works I'll explain what this is .
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| 08:14 | <shan> ok
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| 08:17 | <shan> the client has rebooted and it shows: IP-Config: eth0 hardware address ...... mtu 1500 DHCP RARP
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| 08:18 | r8169: eth0: link down
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| 08:18 | IP-Config: etho guessed bradcast address 192.168.13.255
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| 08:18 | IP-Config: eth0 completed (from 192.168.13.61):
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| 08:19 | address: 192.168.13.29 broadcast: 192.168.13.255 netmask:255.255.255.0 gateway: 192.168.13.61 dns0: 192.168.13.61 ...
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| 08:20 | rootserver: 192.168.13.61 rootpath:
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| 08:20 | filename:
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| 08:20 | error: connect: Connection timed out
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| 08:20 | <kim_> alkisg : it is now showing tftp time out : arp time out
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| 08:21 | now what next
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| 08:21 | <shan> mount: mounting /rofs on /root/rofs failed: invalid argument
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| 08:21 | running /scripts/init-bottom
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| 08:22 | mounting /root/dev/ on /dev/.static/dev failed: no such file or directory
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| 08:22 | mounting /sys on /root/sys failed: no such file or directory
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| 08:22 | ...
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| 08:22 | target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init
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| 08:23 | (initramfs)
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| 08:23 | <alkisg> shan: I don't know of any other workarounds that would help ipconfig/r8169.ko work. I'd upgrade to 10.04 if I were you.
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| 08:23 | Maybe a newer kernel could help, maybe not.
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| 08:24 | Or maybe a newer ipconfig would help. But all those would need manual installation.
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| 08:24 | <shan> ok, let me evaluate that. Thanks for your time and guidance.
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| 08:24 | <kim_> alkisg : can u now tell me what i do...when i boot client it is showing tftp time out
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| 08:24 | <shan> I appreciate it.
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| 08:24 | <alkisg> shan: you're welcome
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| 08:24 | <shan> I will try it and get back to you.
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| 08:24 | bye
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| 08:25 | <alkisg> kim_: on your ltsp server, run this: sudo netstat -nap | grep :67
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| 08:25 | What's the output?
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| 08:25 | <kim_> noting
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| 08:26 | alkisg : noting ....is coming
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| 08:26 | <alkisg> kim_: and the client gets and IP and stops with tftp timeout?
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| 08:26 | <kim_> alkisg : yes
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| 08:26 | <alkisg> OK, on your ltsp server, what's the output of this? sudo netstat -nap | grep :69
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| 08:27 | <kim_> alkisg : noting
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| 08:28 | <alkisg> Then you closed your tftp server. Start it again.
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| 08:28 | <kim_> alkisg : sorry
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| 08:29 | alkisg : it is showing udp 0 0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:* 2247/inetd
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| 08:29 | <alkisg> OK, and if you reboot the client?
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| 08:30 | <kim_> alkisg: i need to reboot the system....for what
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| 08:30 | <alkisg> Not the server, the client
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| 08:31 | What error message the client says now if you try to boot it
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| 08:31 | <kim_> same error tftp time out....it is getting ip but now booting
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| 08:32 | <alkisg> Does it say the IP of the tftp server it's trying to contact?
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| 08:32 | Is it the ltsp server, or the windows server?
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| 08:33 | <kim_> alkisg : let me chekc
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| 08:55 | <kim_> alkisg : it is showing the same error ...getiing ip but tftp time out ...and dhcp ip which it is showing that windows server ip
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| 08:56 | <alkisg> Right, so, again, give that link that I gave you 1.5 an hour ago to your windows administrator
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| 08:56 | <kim_> give it to me again
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| 08:56 | i will main them
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| 08:56 | <alkisg> Read the irc logs, the links is in the irc topic
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| 08:57 | Tell your windows administrator to set "next-server" to your ltsp server.
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| 08:57 | <kim_> alkisg : can u send me again that link.....to times i got disconnected that y
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| 08:58 | <alkisg> If you see the topic, you'll see this link: IRC logs at: http://www.nubae.com/logs/
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| 08:58 | This contains all the chats here, from all dates, so you can see our chat on the internet
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| 09:01 | <kim_> k
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| 09:03 | <alkisg> kim_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWindowsDHCP
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| 09:03 | 066 Boot Server Host Name: <ip address>
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| 09:03 | Thta 066 option is what your setup is missing
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| 09:32 | <kim_> alkisg : i have talked to team.....but let me know if i try
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| 09:33 | tftp ip address -v -m binary -c get /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 from my system then also it is not getting image
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| 09:36 | <alkisg> kim_: follow the other steps from that tftp troubleshooting page too
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| 09:37 | <kim_> k, i will but answer my above q
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| 09:37 | <alkisg> I don't see a question, I only see a statement
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| 09:38 | Is your question "why my tftp isn't working"?
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| 09:39 | <kim_> yes...
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| 09:39 | <alkisg> Then my answer is "follow the other steps from that tftp troubleshooting page too"
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| 09:39 | I wrote that wiki page exactly for tftp troubleshooting, so just follow it
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| 09:40 | <kim_> when i give that command from my desktop it is showing "Transfer timed out" at the end
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| 09:40 | <alkisg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Troubleshooting/TFTP
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| 09:40 | Yes, to find out what is wrong with your tftp settings you need to follow the steps of that wiki page.
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| 09:41 | Follow them from top to bottom, and tell me the first result that doesn't work for you
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| 09:43 | <kim_> k
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| 09:51 | <kim_> alkisg : i have checked everything ........when i do tftp ip address -v -m binary -c get /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 on server itselef
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| 09:52 | alkisg : it is working but not on client
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| 09:52 | alkisg : what i do next
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| 09:55 | <alkisg> kim_: what do you mean "not on client"? Did you follow step 4, "Use an external tftp client", from a standalone workstation?
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| 09:56 | <kim_> yes
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| 09:56 | <alkisg> Did it work from a standalone workstation?
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| 09:56 | <kim_> it is saying transfer timed out t the end
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| 09:57 | <alkisg> Are you talking about a standalone workstation? Or about an ltsp thin client?
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| 09:57 | <kim_> standalone workstation
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| 09:58 | <alkisg> OK. Let me sum up what you just said:
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| 09:58 | You can download a file from your tftp server if you sit on your tftp server,
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| 09:59 | but you're getting a tftp timeout if you run the same command from another standalone workstation
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| 09:59 | <kim_> yes
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| 09:59 | <alkisg> In that case, the problem is most likely a firewall on your ltsp/tftp server blocking the tftp port
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| 10:00 | <kim_> how to solve this problem
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| 10:00 | <alkisg> Disable the firewall
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| 10:00 | <kim_> please let me know
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| 10:00 | how to disable
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| 10:00 | <alkisg> You can ask in #ubuntu for how to disable a firewall, it's not related to ltsp.
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| 10:00 | <kim_> k
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| 10:01 | #ubuntu
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| 10:01 | <alkisg> But remember that if you were trying from a thin client and not from a standalone workstation, then the problem would NOT be a firewall. Different answers mean different problems.
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| 10:02 | <Hyperbyte> kim_: just as an extra check to make sure it's a firewall, run netstat -lpn | grep tftp on the server and paste output here
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| 10:06 | <kim_> no output after that command
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| 10:07 | <alkisg> Try with sudo: sudo netstat -lpn | grep tftp
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| 10:11 | <kim_> yes no output
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| 10:12 | <alkisg> You can download a file from tftp locally on your server, but you have no tftp server running?!
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| 10:12 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, could it be that tftpd is invoked via xinetd on his machine?
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| 10:12 | <alkisg> Ah yeah 9.04, inetd
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| 10:12 | That's why I'm using the wiki page :)
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| 10:12 | It has info for all versions there
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| 10:13 | <Hyperbyte> Well doesn't that explain it? Doesn't inetd by default only allow connections from localhost?
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| 10:13 | <alkisg> No, by default it allows from anywhere
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| 10:13 | One has to modify hosts.deny/hosts.allow to restrict it
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| 10:15 | kim_: what's the output of this command, on you server? grep -v ^# /etc/hosts.{allow,deny}
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| 10:18 | <kim_> for host.allow ......nbdrootd: ALL: keepalive
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| 10:18 | and for host.dent ....noting
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| 10:18 | <alkisg> OK, so they don't restrict access to your tftp.
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| 10:18 | Did you find out if you're using a firewall on your ltsp server?
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| 10:19 | <kim_> ya firewall is off bydefault
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| 10:20 | <alkisg> Then I don't know what could prohibit remote clients from accessing tftp, but allow local clients to access it.
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| 10:20 | Again, if you didn't try from a standalone client, but you only tried from a thin client, it's a different problem.
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| 10:22 | <kim_> i tried from standalone machine
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| 10:22 | <Hyperbyte> Can you ping the server, from the standalone machine?
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| 10:22 | <kim_> yes i can
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| 10:23 | <alkisg> Check your /var/log/daemon.log for possible hints as to why the standalone connection is refused
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| 10:24 | <Hyperbyte> kim_, what IP address do you use to reach your server, from the standalone machine?
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| 10:24 | And what IP address do you use to reach your server, from the server itself?
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| 10:24 | <Hyperbyte> (i.e, what IP address do you use after the tftp command)
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| 10:25 | <kim_> Hybenate : ltsp server ip address ....
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| 10:25 | <Hyperbyte> Both cases same IP address?
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| 10:25 | <kim_> yes
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| 10:26 | <Hyperbyte> Okay... type 'ufw status' and 'service iptables status'
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| 10:27 | <kim_> ufw status : inactive
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| 10:27 | <Hyperbyte> Oh, iptables isn't a service on Ubuntu. Instead of 'service iptables status', use 'iptables -L' and pastebin the output.
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| 10:28 | And see alkisg's last message. :)
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| 10:28 | <kim_> ltsp dhclient : no working lease in persistent database -sleeping in /var/log/daemon.log
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| 10:29 | ltsp dhclient : DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 7
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| 10:30 | <Hyperbyte> Also, put the output of 'ifconfig' on pastebin
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| 10:32 | <kim_> http://pastebin.com/FPh7e77F
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| 10:35 | <Hyperbyte> kim_, and 'ifconfig' ?
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| 10:36 | <kim_> yes , m sending u
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| 10:40 | <Hyperbyte> Do you have a pastebin link?
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| 10:42 | <kim_> http://pastebin.com/nKcrJsAC
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| 10:42 | check ifconfig and iptables -l
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| 10:44 | <Hyperbyte> The standalone machine you're trying this from, is it also Linux?
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| 10:45 | <kim_> yes
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| 10:45 | i have tried both from windows and linux
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| 10:45 | <Hyperbyte> Pastebin the "ifconfig" of the standalone machine too
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| 10:45 | <kim_> k
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| 10:47 | <alkisg> kim_: can you ssh from a standalone machine to your ltsp server?
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| 10:48 | <kim_> yes
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| 10:48 | <alkisg> Using the same IP that you use for tftp?
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| 10:50 | <kim_> yes
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| 10:51 | <alkisg> What is between that standalone client and the ltsp server? Just a switch?
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| 10:52 | <kim_> yes
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| 10:52 | <alkisg> Is that switch configured to drop all UDP traffic?
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| 10:52 | <Hyperbyte> kim_, do you have the output of 'ifconfig' on the standalone client for me? :-)
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| 10:53 | <kim_> yes
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| 10:54 | <Hyperbyte> Where? :)
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| 10:57 | <stgraber> there we go, now I can easily browse ltsp, ltspfs and ldm bugs for both upstream and Ubuntu :)
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| 11:00 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, the cdpinger you sent me works by the way. :)
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| 11:00 | Heard from the collegue today that he's been busy copying CD's.
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| 11:07 | <kim_> Hyperbyte : alkisg : thanks it is working now.....
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| 11:07 | alkisg : can u send me trouble shoot details on kiosk on 10.04 and above
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| 11:09 | <Hyperbyte> kim_, what was the problem?
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| 11:11 | <alkisg> kim_: was the switch blocking UDP traffic?
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| 11:12 | <kim_> yes
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| 11:12 | alkisg : thanks for supporting me
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| 11:14 | <alkisg> You're welcome, but I still wonder how dhcp was working if udp was blocked
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| 11:16 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, often DHCP and DNS are allowed by switches, rest is blocked.
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| 11:17 | <alkisg> He did say that it was working with 10.04 though
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| 11:17 | I can't imagine how
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| 11:18 | <kim_> alkisg : can u help me out ...this ltsp setup was on 9.04 ,,,,now m also trying with 10.04 and above ....so where i can find the documentation regarding that
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| 11:19 | <alkisg> kim_: sorry no more time for helping people today, the previous problem took 2 hours :) Ask in the channel, maybe someone else can help you.
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| 11:19 | <kim_> k
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| 11:20 | <Hyperbyte> kim_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
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| 11:22 | <alkisg> kim_: here are the bug reports I was telling you about the kiosk plugin, in launchpad: http://tinyurl.com/6xgonsg
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| 11:23 | Some of those contain fixes for known problems with the kiosk plugin in newer versions
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| 11:23 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, get to work! ;-)
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| 11:23 | Heheh
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| 11:24 | <alkisg> (actually I've been working 6 hours straight till now :D)
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| 11:24 | <Hyperbyte> :D
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| 11:24 | * Hyperbyte DCC's alkisg some coffee | |
| 11:25 | <alkisg> Thanks, nice, a little low on sugar :P
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| 11:25 | <Hyperbyte> Hey, do I have to do everything?! I'm working too you know. :P
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| 11:48 | <knipwim> can anyone recommend a good openldap gui?
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| 12:07 | <smuggboy> i configured my ltsp and it runs fine via pxe-booting. i remendered, years ago i configured a ltsp server and there was a the file "lts.conf" in "/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/"and changes there used by all client. the file doesnt't exist on the server if i create one its ignored
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| 12:09 | i can see "/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf", but if i can use this one i had to create a new image on every change i make. So what to do that ltsp-client gets the config from tftp ?
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| 12:11 | <Hyperbyte> I believe it's /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf if you use NFS and /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/ if you use TFTP
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| 12:11 | Not too sure though.
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| 12:43 | <Hyperbyte> stgraber: the bug you just marked as incomplete, it doesn't happen with newer versions
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| 12:43 | At least I didn't have problems with the DVD drive in Ubuntu. Sorry for not reporting back.
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| 12:44 | I'll see if I can add some data.
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| 12:46 | <stgraber> ok, good, so it can probably be marked Fix released then
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| 12:46 | <Hyperbyte> I would say so, yes. I did have problems with UDF disks in Ubuntu 11.04, but alkisg said that was fixed already as well, just not pushed to 11.04
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| 12:47 | He gave me a newer version of cdpinger and since then that problem has disappeared as well. :)
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| 12:48 | <stgraber> hmm, yeah, udf support is in ltspfs 0.8 which isn't in Ubuntu yet (or in Debian apparently)
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| 12:48 | I guess I should poke vagrantc to get it into Debian and then sync it into Ubuntu
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| 12:48 | <Hyperbyte> :-D
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| 12:52 | <stgraber> I just emailed vagrant, hopefully we'll get a new ltspfs soon
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| 12:53 | <jammcq> hey all
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| 12:53 | <Hyperbyte> Well, I got my problem fixed thanks to our mighty emperor alkisg (hail!), so I'm good. :-) Would be useful if others could benefit too though.
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| 12:53 | Heya jammcq. :-)
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| 12:54 | <jammcq> hey
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| 12:55 | <stgraber> hey jammcq
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| 12:56 | <jammcq> hey stgraber, i've reserved the Seawall motel for Oct 21,22,23
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| 12:57 | actually, we can arrive earlier, but the workshop may not be available until friday the 21st
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| 12:58 | scotty and I will probably arrive sometime on the 20th
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| 12:58 | <stgraber> ok, I'll probably arrive on Thursday with some Revolution Linux guys
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| 12:58 | and leave with everyone going to UDS on Sunday
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| 12:58 | <jammcq> all we gotta do is figure out a way to get alkisg there
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| 12:58 | <alkisg> Hey guys
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| 12:58 | <jammcq> hey alkisg
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| 12:58 | <alkisg> Talking about LTSP BTS?
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| 12:59 | <jammcq> yepper
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| 12:59 | Oct 21-23
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| 12:59 | * alkisg will look for a sponsor, the tickers are too expensive :D | |
| 13:00 | <jammcq> maybe alkisg could apply for sponsorship to UDS ?
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| 13:00 | that's in florida, eh?
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| 13:01 | <stgraber> you probably could fly to Montreal and then come along in the Revolution Linux van :)
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| 13:01 | according to expedia it's < 700$
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| 13:01 | yep, UDS is in Orlando, FL
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| 13:02 | <jammcq> I'd love to pop in on a UDS again. those are a blast
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| 13:02 | <alkisg> Wow, I didn't know I could apply for a UDS sponsorship. Would love to.
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| 13:03 | <jammcq> dunno how easy is these days. I was sponsored 5 times back in the early days
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| 13:03 | <stgraber> they now try to get new folks to show up at UDS so it should be a bit easier for alkisg than for you :)
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| 13:03 | <jammcq> that was back when total attendance was about 60 people
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| 13:03 | yeah, I don't have any hope of sponsorship.
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| 13:04 | <stgraber> hehe, yeah, UDS is more like 600 attendees nowadays
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| 13:04 | <alkisg> I'm doing my phd this year so I can arrange to be free at any dates. /me reads http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/sponsorship/ ...
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| 13:04 | <jammcq> yeah, crazy
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| 13:04 | <stgraber> alkisg: whenever the sponsorship applications open, you'll just have to go fill a form at http://summit.ubuntu.com
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| 13:05 | <jammcq> alkisg: I think it helps to get support from a canonical employee. hmm... if only we knew of one...
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| 13:05 | <alkisg> Thank you - I'll do that and hope I can finally meet you guys in person :)
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| 13:05 | Haha
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| 13:06 | <stgraber> jammcq: hehe and AFAIK Jorge Castro is still the one handling the sponsorship process, just saying ;)
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| 13:06 | <jammcq> no kidding ?
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| 13:06 | I can lean on him a bit
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| 13:06 | he owes me
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| 13:06 | <stgraber> yeah, he's one of the guys in charge of planning the UDS :)
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| 13:07 | <alkisg> Has anyone heard of Scotty lately? Will he come to BTS?
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| 13:07 | <jammcq> yeah, he'll be there
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| 13:07 | I talked to him last friday
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| 13:07 | and i'll probably talk to him today
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| 13:07 | <alkisg> Nice, I was kinda worried, he's been away for too long :)
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| 13:08 | <jammcq> he does that. dissappears for months at a time. I think real life gets in the way of his hacking
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| 13:08 | but he and I talk all the time. I spent a week with him in early june
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| 13:08 | <ogra_> stgraber, if you need any backing for a sponsoring request for alkisg i'm happy to jump in
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| 13:08 | <alkisg> Ty guys
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| 13:09 | <jammcq> ogra_ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 13:09 | <ogra_> hey hey
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| 13:09 | <jammcq> how's it going?
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| 13:09 | ogra_: you coming to BTS ?
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| 13:09 | <ogra_> busy with all arms :)
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| 13:09 | <jammcq> too many arms
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| 13:09 | I still only have 2
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| 13:09 | <ogra_> i would love to, let me see what i can do
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| 13:09 | * ogra_ has at least 20 | |
| 13:09 | <ogra_> gets confusing over time :)
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| 13:09 | <jammcq> sure
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| 13:09 | <stgraber> ogra_: it's going to be Thursday => Saturday right before UDS
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| 13:10 | <jammcq> there are some differences, eh?
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| 13:10 | <ogra_> i always forget which arm does what :)
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| 13:10 | <stgraber> ogra_: so I'll probably just be flying from Bangor directly to Orlando on Sunday
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| 13:10 | <ogra_> stgraber, yeah
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| 13:10 | <jammcq> I'd like to get Jorge to come, but he's moving to Florida next month and I doubt he'd want to travel all the way up to Maine, just to turn around and come back from uds
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| 13:11 | <ogra_> tell him we'll tell jono how badly he let down the community ;)
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| 13:12 | <stgraber> ;)
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| 13:12 | <ogra_> that will teach him *g*
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| 13:12 | <jammcq> yeah
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| 13:12 | <ogra_> what about scotttie
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| 13:12 | <jammcq> Gadi: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 13:12 | <ogra_> and that gadi guy
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| 13:12 | :)
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| 13:12 | <jammcq> yeah, scotty will be there
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| 13:13 | he'll fly to detroit and we'll drive out again
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| 13:13 | * Gadi rubs his eyes | |
| 13:13 | <Gadi> morning
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| 13:13 | * ogra_ hopes Gadi didnt produce small gadis again as excuse | |
| 13:13 | <stgraber> Gadi: coming to BTS?
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| 13:13 | <jammcq> yeah, he'll be there too
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| 13:13 | <ogra_> vagrant ?
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| 13:13 | <Gadi> who what where when
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| 13:13 | <ogra_> oh, and laprag !
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| 13:13 | <jammcq> Oct 21-23
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| 13:13 | ogra_: yeah, laprag says he'll be there. he's living in Singapore now
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| 13:13 | <stgraber> Gadi: who? the usuals, Where? the usual, When? Oct 21-23
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| 13:14 | <jammcq> and we'll get Ron and maybe eTyack this year
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| 13:14 | <stgraber> doh, forgot the what ;)
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| 13:14 | <Gadi> damn - holidays that weekend
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| 13:14 | <jammcq> wha ?
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| 13:14 | <Gadi> thats gonna make it tough
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| 13:15 | <jammcq> Gadi: just get them to change the holiday
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| 13:15 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 13:15 | <alkisg> Haha
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| 13:15 | <Gadi> maybe I can make it up sat night or sunday
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| 13:15 | <jammcq> cuz this is IMPORTANT
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| 13:16 | <Gadi> dont suppose you want to do sat-mon instead of fri-sunday....
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| 13:16 | :D
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| 13:16 | <jammcq> a bunch of guys need to be down in florida for UDS on sunday
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| 13:16 | <Gadi> ah
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| 13:17 | <ogra_> stgraber, we likely need to be there before 6pm, i guess there will be a company meeting sunday evening
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| 13:17 | <jammcq> 8am flight out of bangor should get you to florida plenty early
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| 13:17 | <ogra_> way to early !
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| 13:17 | <stgraber> ogra_: yep, though the RLNX guys usually leave on Sunday around noon and it only takes 2-3 hours to get to Orlando from Bangor
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| 13:17 | <ogra_> :)
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| 13:18 | <stgraber> that's when you get some proper flights ;)
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| 13:18 | <ogra_> yeah, just saying
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| 13:18 | <jammcq> ogra_: yeah, but 8am is more like 2pm your time
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| 13:18 | <stgraber> not like you did last time :)
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| 13:18 | <ogra_> jammcq, lol
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| 13:18 | jammcq, i dont really care about my time if i have to be at a meeting 7pm local time in orlando :)
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| 13:19 | stgraber, it got me my frequent flyer status :)
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| 13:19 | <stgraber> ogra_: what was it again? we left the hotel at the exact same time, I got to Bangor at 1pm and you did at 10pm? :)
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| 13:19 | <jammcq> is there direct Bangor->Orlando flights?
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| 13:19 | <stgraber> ogra_: I hope so! ;)
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| 13:19 | <ogra_> was woth the hassle to not have to queue up again anymore in airports
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| 13:19 | <stgraber> jammcq: nope, the shortest I could find was with one connection in Philly (US Airways)
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| 13:19 | <ogra_> jammcq, i dont think so, but with one hop
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| 13:26 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 13:26 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 13:26 | <sbalneav> Hey ho!
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| 13:26 | <jammcq> hey, we're just discussing details of BTS
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| 13:26 | and EVERYBODY is asking of scotty will be there
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| 13:26 | <sbalneav> Cool.
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| 13:27 | I will, of course, be there.
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| 13:27 | My move will be done by then.
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| 13:27 | <jammcq> cuz we all know, it's no party with sbalneav
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| 13:27 | <sbalneav> We make the systems dept. move on Sept. long weekend.
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| 13:27 | <jammcq> which weekend?
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| 13:27 | <sbalneav> This is a well known fact :)
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| 13:27 | Labour day. First weekend in Sept.
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| 13:27 | <jammcq> ah
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| 13:27 | same as here
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| 13:28 | <jammcq> I talked to David Lloyd about the lobster dinner. he agreed that it's best to have it at the cafe at the motel
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| 13:29 | <sbalneav> Cool.
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| 13:29 | <ogra_> !s
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| 13:29 | <ltsp> ogra_: Error: "s" is not a valid command.
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| 13:29 | <ogra_> bah
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| 13:29 | <jammcq> heh
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| 13:29 | <sbalneav> That's way more fun. Much more opportunity for drinking h^h^h^h^h merry making :)
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| 13:34 | <alkisg> !s
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| 13:34 | <ltsp> alkisg: s: Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
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| 13:35 | <alkisg> Heh we lost all the old bot factoid database :D
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| 13:35 | <stgraber> sbalneav: hey!
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| 13:40 | <sbalneav> stgraber: Hey!
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| 13:40 | alkisg: It should have been in that tarball I sent you!
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| 13:40 | <alkisg> sbalneav: I never got a reply :-/
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| 13:41 | <sbalneav> alkisg: Sure! I emailed it to you! I can do it again right now, got the tarball here.
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| 13:41 | <alkisg> Send it again
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| 13:43 | * alkisg searched gmail spam folder, not there either - alkisg at gmail | |
| 13:43 | <jammcq> sbalneav: we're gonna try and get alkisg to BTS this year
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| 13:43 | * alkisg leaves for the gym, hope to see all of you guys in person, bbl | |
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| 13:44 | <sbalneav> Cool
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| 13:44 | The tarball's 20 megs. 10 bucks says that's the problem.
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| 13:44 | stgraber: hey, we going to have time to try hacking the pam module into lightdm at the hackfest?
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| 13:45 | I actually got an ltsp session going a few months ago using xdm
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| 13:45 | <Hyperbyte> sbalneav, mmm... see PM
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| 13:46 | <stgraber> sbalneav: yep, we should have enough time to look at it at the hackfest and I'll see lightdm's author the week after at UDS
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| 13:58 | <pmatulis> is there any info on BTS 2011?
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| 13:58 | <jammcq> pmatulis: nothing written up yet. we're just discussing it here
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| 13:58 | I'll create a wiki page soon
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| 13:58 | with a sign-up sheet
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| 13:58 | pmatulis: you interested in coming?
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| 13:58 | Oct 21-23 in SW Harbor, Maine
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| 14:01 | <jammcq> GodFather: Hey
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| 14:03 | <GodFather> hey jammie, LTSP By Sea, did you schedule it?
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| 14:04 | <jammcq> heh, yes. we've been talking alot about it this morning
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| 14:05 | Oct 21-23. we'll be arriving on the 20th. there's possibly a fundraiser dinner scheduled for the evening of the 20th, so we may not be able to get into the workshop until friday morning
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| 14:31 | <Gadi> so, guys, what would you suggest is the best place to find answers to video driver questions on Ubuntu 10.04?
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| 14:31 | googling about video issues on Linux is a nightmare
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| 14:32 | because video changes every release
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| 14:32 | :P
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| 14:44 | <pedronveloso> if local apps don't start, where can I see the logs of the problem?
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| 14:51 | <Hyperbyte> Does ltsp-localapps xterm work?
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| 14:53 | <pedronveloso> Hyperbyte, no not at all
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| 14:53 | ton this specific terminal it does not work
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| 14:54 | and firefox starts but then disappears
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| 15:00 | <roasted> Would it be foolish of me to choose 11.04 for an LTSP server instead of 10.04.2? Or should I just get an LTS and PPA LTSP/any other applications up to speed and call it a day?
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| 15:33 | <mgariepy> if i could choose i would do LTS all the time
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| 16:02 | <Hyperbyte> mgariepy, what's this LTS people keep talking of?
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| 16:09 | <Lumiere> LTS is the Ubuntu Long Term Support release
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| 16:09 | <stgraber> Long Term Support. Ubuntu usually releases one of these every two years
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| 16:09 | so far, that's: 6.06 (now end of support), 8.04 (only supported for servers) and 10.04
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| 16:09 | the next one will be 12.04
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| 16:10 | instead of the 18 months support period, these are supported 5 years for server packages and 3 years for desktop packages
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| 16:14 | <Hyperbyte> Ahh
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| 16:14 | How hard is it to upgrade Ubuntu actually?
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| 16:15 | With Fedora you can type 'preupgrade-cli' into Fedora 13, press 'y' and come back an hour or two later to find Fedora 14 ready-to-go with everything still working
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| 16:15 | Anything similar for Ubuntu?
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| 16:16 | <stgraber> do-release-upgrade will do the same thing in command line. For the GUI, it's integrated with the update-manager so whenever we release a new Ubuntu you'll get a prompt asking if you want to upgrade.
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| 16:16 | for LTSP, you'll then need to generate a new chroot as chroot upgrade isn't supported
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| 16:17 | <Hyperbyte> You could just leave the already built chroot intact even, couldn't you?
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| 16:17 | <stgraber> yep, that'd work, though you'd have a chroot running an older version of Ubuntu than your server.
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| 16:19 | <Hyperbyte> Interesting... well, good to know. :)
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| 16:20 | I believe I asked this before here recently, but forgot the answer. :\
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| 16:20 | !lts
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| 16:20 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: lts: Long Term Support. Ubuntu usually releases one of these every two years. Instead of the 18 months support period, these are supported 5 years for server packages and 3 years for desktop packages. So far, that's: 6.06 (now end of support), 8.04 (only supported for servers) and 10.04. The next one will be 12.04..
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| 16:20 | <Hyperbyte> Either way, I made a note. :D
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| 16:21 | <pedronveloso> back
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| 16:21 | <mgariepy> Hyperbyte, Long time support, for ubuntu
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| 16:21 | opps
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| 16:21 | <stgraber> mgariepy: you're late :)
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| 16:21 | <Hyperbyte> Heheh. Lag? :-)
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| 16:21 | <mgariepy> yeah i saw that.
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| 16:21 | lol
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| 16:22 | <Hyperbyte> By the way, does anyone know what the record is for simultaneous clients active on one LTSP server?
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| 16:22 | <mgariepy> Hyperbyte, depend on the server :P
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| 16:23 | <Hyperbyte> That much I know.
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| 16:23 | I'm just curious what the most is someone ver had.
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| 16:23 | *ever
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| 16:23 | <mgariepy> i saw like 120 with ltsp-cluster
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| 16:23 | maybe more like 100.
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| 16:23 | <stgraber> not sure, I think that most I saw was around 80-ish
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| 16:23 | <mgariepy> not sure 100% ;)
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| 16:23 | <stgraber> mgariepy: csrs?
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| 16:23 | <mgariepy> oui
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| 16:24 | <stgraber> yeah, was something between 80 and 100, not exactly sure :)
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| 16:24 | though we had to tweak the servers quite a bit for that ;)
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| 16:24 | <Hyperbyte> Okay. :-)
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| 16:24 | <mgariepy> lol
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| 16:24 | <Hyperbyte> Someone asked in here recently if one server could handle 60 clients, and it got me curious. :-D
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| 16:25 | But theoretically, if your hardware supports it, you should be able to have a whole lot more on one server, no?
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| 16:25 | <stgraber> the server in question for the 80 clients was an HP with dual quadcore CPUs, 2Gb/s network and 24GB of RAM
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| 16:25 | <Hyperbyte> Only 2Gb/s? That's impressive
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| 16:26 | <stgraber> well, as I said, for that specific deployment we had to do some pretty weird hacks to get the server to handle the load
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| 16:26 | <stgraber> so I wouldn't recommend running more than 50 users on a server, whatever the hardware
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| 16:26 | unless you're familiar enough with Linux that you're not affraid to patch libc6 and the glibc (which we had to do for that customer)
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| 16:27 | <Gnoze5> yellow
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| 16:27 | <Hyperbyte> Hi Gnoze5 :-)
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| 16:27 | <stgraber> anyway, got to run. Talk to you later folks!
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| 16:27 | <Gnoze5> Hyperbyte!
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| 16:27 | :)
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| 16:27 | <Hyperbyte> Thanks stgraber :-D
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| 16:27 | <Gnoze5> Hyperbyte, we are having some issue with localapps
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| 16:27 | annoying
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| 16:28 | <Hyperbyte> Gnoze5, oh?
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| 16:28 | I'd say give it a shot and ask the channel. :P
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| 16:28 | <Gnoze5> well essentially we tried running ltsp-localapps xterm on this one terminal
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| 16:28 | other apps wont work either
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| 16:28 | like firefox
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| 16:29 | <Gnoze5> and the terminal is also feeling shaky, like when typing something it wont correctly input the word
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| 16:31 | <Hyperbyte> *shrug* Any chance the thin client ran out of memory?
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| 16:32 | I'd try to get a local tty login on the client, with SCREEN_02=shell in lts.conf and do some debugging from there
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| 16:34 | <Gnoze5> hm
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| 16:34 | there is a chance yes
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| 16:35 | but i find it hard that id opesnt have enough memory to start an xterm
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| 16:37 | <Hyperbyte> Either way, getting a local shell and looking at logs and dmesg is gonna learn you something probably.
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| 16:37 | <roasted> installing LTSP LTS right now
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| 16:38 | would it be wise of me to PPA LTSP to be up to date?
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| 16:38 | or wont I be missing out on much if I stay with 10.04's version of LTSP?
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| 16:38 | Using Edubuntu 10.04, if it matters.
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| 16:39 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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| 16:42 | <roasted> maybe alkisg would have an opinion
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| 16:42 | <Gnoze5> alkisg o/
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| 16:43 | <alkisg> Hi there
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| 16:43 | <roasted> alkisg, if I'm using 10.04 LTSP, would it be wise to PPA LTSP up to speed? Or would 10.04's repo version from Edubuntu be fine?
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| 16:43 | I just want to make sure I'm not "missing out" on something.
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| 16:43 | <alkisg> roasted: I'm not aware of any PPAs that have more recent LTSP versions for 10.04, except for the one I maintain for Greek schools
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| 16:44 | It depends on your needs
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| 16:44 | You prefer firefox 5 or stability?
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| 16:45 | <roasted> that's my point :P
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| 16:46 | I'd rather avoid PPA's unless LTSP has a PPA that has new features/bug fixes that are pretty major
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| 16:46 | <alkisg> The version I have on our ppa just has reboot/shutdown working from the indicator menu, nothing more. Ah, and a udhcp bug fixed.
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| 16:47 | More recent ltsp versions have a redesigned ldm
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| 16:47 | <roasted> well I'm not too concerned about LDM. That sounds more cosmetic than anything else.
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| 16:47 | <alkisg> And a few bug fixes, I don't remember any major new functionality
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| 16:48 | The new LDM is plugin based so it can cover more use cases, but our needs here are just basic
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| 16:48 | <roasted> I had great experiences with Edubuntu 10.10. I'd like to have that same experience in 10.04 but with the LTS ability to let the damn thing alone for a few years without any major upgrades :P
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| 16:48 | I just want to make sure that by going to 10.04 over 10.10, I won't miss out on anything big.
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| 16:48 | Like I don't want to introduce an unfixed bug by bringing an older (yet, LTS) version in house
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| 16:48 | that's all :)
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| 16:48 | <alkisg> From 10.04 to 10.10 I think LTSP had only minor bug fixes
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| 16:51 | <roasted> good deal
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| 16:51 | what about that NTP thing I bugged you about? did that get published?
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| 16:52 | <alkisg> I think that should be included in the natty, or oneiric, version of ltsp
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| 16:52 | <roasted> I think I'll take my chances and wait for 12.04
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| 16:52 | <alkisg> Sounds like a plan
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| 16:52 | <roasted> besides I documented literally everything we talked about then, so that one line you gave me to fix it should be the ticket, assuming its an issue again
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| 16:53 | <alkisg> With lightdm and libpam_sshauth etc you'd better wait a few months after 12.04 is out before deploying it though
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| 16:54 | * alkisg advices schools here to update every 2nd September, i.e. 3-4 months after the LTS release (and when the schools open here) | |
| 16:57 | <roasted> ah, so use 12.04, just not the day it comes out
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| 16:57 | that may be hard for us. I could MAYBE wait till late july or early august....
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| 16:57 | come august 15th things must be done for first day of school
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| 16:57 | <alkisg> Right, and also 10.04 can upgrade directly to 12.04, while e.g. 10.10 cannot
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| 16:58 | <roasted> oh, it can? Is that an LTS thing?
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| 16:58 | <alkisg> Late july sounds good for you then
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| 16:58 | Yes, it's an lts thing
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| 16:58 | Like also the backported kernels etc etgc
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| 16:58 | <roasted> I gotta admit, upgrades on ANY system make me nervous...
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| 17:02 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte, sbalneav: the new bot's name is "ltsp", do you think we should switch it to "ltspbot" again?
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| 17:02 | (ltspbot was registered so I couldn't use it)
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| 17:04 | <Hyperbyte> No opinion. :)
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| 17:20 | <pedronveloso> alkisg, do localapps store some logging for one to look into if they fail to load?
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| 17:22 | <alkisg> pedronveloso: ask in the channel, there's no need to ask specific persons
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| 17:22 | Which distro/version are you using?
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| 17:26 | <pedronveloso> I did, but no one answered, and you have helped me out in the past :P
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| 17:29 | <alkisg> (08:22:52 μμ) alkisg: Which distro/version are you using?
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| 17:30 | <pedronveloso> ubuntu/10.04
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| 17:31 | <alkisg> And if you run: ltsp-localapps xterm, then an xterm won't open?
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| 17:31 | <pedronveloso> yes, it won't. actually nothing happens. now the strangest part, it's just 1 PC, all others work fine
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| 17:32 | well, at least for opening a xterm :P
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| 17:32 | I've a [DEFAULT] in lts.conf, so no specific configurations to different clients
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| 17:32 | yet
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| 17:33 | <alkisg> Do you have a local shell to that client with other means? E.g. ssh or SCREEN_02=shell ?
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| 17:34 | <pedronveloso> no I've not, but I can make one
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| 17:35 | SCREEN_02=shell . and with that, what do I do?
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| 17:38 | <alkisg> Run a `ps -ef > $HOME/ps-output` and upload that file to pastebin
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| 17:39 | You can also `grep ltsp-localappsd /var/log/syslog` from that local shell
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| 17:44 | <pedronveloso> alkisg, thanks. I'll check it out tomorrow. right now I'm on the go, but I'll write that down and see what I can see from those logs
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| 18:15 | <alkisg> Anyone experienced with sqlite to convert the ltspbot factoids from the old format (key, factoid) to the new format (key, factoid, relation) ? Shouldn't be too hard for one using sql regularly...
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| 18:16 | <Gadi> just add a column?
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| 18:17 | <alkisg> Gadi: "relation" is the kind of table that acts as a bridge between keys and factoids, I don't know the formal name for such helper tables
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| 18:18 | <alkisg> So the key ids need spliting into that new relations table
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| 18:18 | Let me pastebin the schemas...
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| 18:19 | http://paste.debian.net/122234/
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| 18:20 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, I would just convert it all to commands for the new bot and paste them in IRC if it's not too much data
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| 18:21 | <alkisg> The persons that uploaded the factoid, and the timestamp would be lost, but ok not much problem there. It's about 120 factoids, I believe one can do that in 5 minutes
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| 18:21 | <Hyperbyte> If you can make them all /msg ltsp learn #ltsp <key> as <factiod>
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| 18:22 | For 120 it might be easier than figuring out the export/import
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| 18:23 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: here they are: http://paste.debian.net/122236/
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| 18:23 | With openoffice calc or even with a small shell script they can easily be converted to "learn xx as yy" format
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| 18:24 | Want me to do that part?
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| 18:27 | Hyperbyte: http://paste.debian.net/122239/
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| 18:36 | <Hyperbyte> Okay, want me to input it in the bot?
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| 18:37 | Will have to make it !forget a few too, else it learns double keys
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| 18:41 | <alkisg> I think the duplicate keys are there on purpose
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| 18:46 | <vagrantc> stgraber: i'll just delete my ltspfs-debian-* branches ... they're just mirrors of branches hosted on alioth.debian.org
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| 18:46 | <stgraber> vagrantc: ok, just make sure they don't appear anymore in the list after that (I noticed that "merged" branches still do)
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| 18:48 | <vagrantc> stgraber: deleted ... don't appear on my list anymore
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| 18:48 | <stgraber> ok, good. Thanks
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| 18:55 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg: I mean the things that we've already learnt it
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| 18:56 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: ah yes those should be < 20 though
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| 18:58 | <Hyperbyte> Sorting it out though. :)
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| 19:10 | <allgood> hi folks
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| 19:10 | i want to run x0vncserver on a ldm screen
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| 19:10 | <Hyperbyte> allgood here.
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| 19:11 | <allgood> is there a way to hook a script to run it right after de X server is initialized?
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| 19:11 | Hyperbyte: are you a robot or human?
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| 19:13 | <Hyperbyte> I'm gonna have to say... no.
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| 19:14 | <allgood> and right after the password? before it starts the ssh to the remote server?
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| 19:14 | i do not need to login, I just need to have the same screen as the user
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| 19:15 | <alkisg> allgood: you can start vnc manually at any time after the users login, if you have root access
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| 19:22 | <allgood> i think i have to set ssh up on the thin clients
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| 19:23 | <allgood> will look to it... but i hope to find a more automatized way
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| 19:23 | think root access I can start it even before users log in
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| 19:28 | <stgraber> allgood: you can put it as a ldm Ixx script in /usr/share/ldm/rc.d/. These are called when ldm is loading
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| 19:36 | <allgood> will the X server accept the connection? as root i tried to run it from command line and X server was not found
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| 19:36 | trying it now
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| 19:38 | <alkisg> allgood: you don't need ssh to start vnc on the client display
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| 19:39 | You can just xauthority and display and start it, while sitting on the server or on another thin client
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| 19:39 | Or you actually want a dozen VNCs always open?
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| 19:39 | <allgood> i want to run vnc on all our thin clients,
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| 19:39 | it would be password protected
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| 19:39 | <TheMatrix3000> so wait
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| 19:40 | using xauthority i can view another persons session
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| 19:40 | <alkisg> allgood: do you care about accessing LDM, the logon screen, or you only care about the user sessions?
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| 19:40 | <TheMatrix3000> cause I was looking at being able to remote support to some thin clients at our company
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| 19:41 | <alkisg> TheMatrix3000: if you have root access so that you can su to that user account, then yes
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| 19:42 | Then you can run a vnc server at any display at any time, saving resources
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| 19:42 | <allgood> i understood the rc.d scheme... just do not know how to set the xauth and run x0vncserver in a way the local X server will not refuse it
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| 19:44 | <Hyperbyte> All done! The ltsp bot is smart again
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| 19:44 | !strgraber
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| 19:44 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: I do not know about 'strgraber', but I do know about these similar topics: 'stgraber'
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| 19:44 | <Hyperbyte> !stgraber
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| 19:44 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: stgraber: rules.
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| 19:45 | <stgraber> allgood: last I tried, all I* scripts already have all the needed X credentials and stuff
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| 19:46 | <stgraber> allgood: I only played with x11vnc personaly but something like "x11vnc -rfbport 5800 -loop&" in a I* scripts worked fine
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| 19:47 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: nice job :)
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| 19:51 | <Hyperbyte> Thanks! :-)
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| 19:51 | !xauthority
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| 19:51 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: Error: "xauthority" is not a valid command.
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| 19:52 | <alkisg> Something doesn't sound right...
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| 19:52 | <Hyperbyte> No, it doesn't
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| 19:52 | I hope none else are missing
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| 19:53 | I did send it the command
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| 19:53 | Oh
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| 19:54 | 21:40 [msg(ltsp)] learn #ltsp xauthority as to access the client X session from a local root shell, try: eval $(tr '0' 'n' < /proc/$(pidof -s ldm gdm-simple-greeter gnome-session | cut -d' ' -f1)/environ | egrep '^DISPLAY=|^XAUTHORITY=') && export DISPLAY XAUTHORITY
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| 19:54 | 21:40 [ltsp(ltspbot@middelkoop.cc)] Error: "cut" is not a valid command.
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| 19:54 | Heh
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| 19:54 | <vagrantc> !debian
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| 19:54 | <ltsp> vagrantc: debian: is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP.
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| 19:55 | <Hyperbyte> !learn xauthority as to access the client X session from a local root shell, try: eval $(tr '0' 'n' < /proc/$(pidof -s ldm gdm-simple-greeter gnome-session | cut -d' ' -f1)/environ | egrep '^DISPLAY=|^XAUTHORITY=') && export DISPLAY XAUTHORITY
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| 19:55 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: Error: "cut" is not a valid command.
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| 19:55 | <Hyperbyte> !learn xauthority as to access the client X session from a local root shell, try: eval $(tr '0' 'n' < /proc/$(pidof -s ldm gdm-simple-greeter gnome-session \| cut -d' ' -f1)/environ \| egrep '^DISPLAY=\|^XAUTHORITY=') && export DISPLAY XAUTHORITY
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| 19:55 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: Error: "cut" is not a valid command.
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| 19:55 | <Hyperbyte> I give up.
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| 19:56 | It's trying to pipe...
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| 19:57 | <alkisg> I can change the bot pipe temporarily for those 2 commands, but maybe I should also replace it with another char permanately
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| 19:58 | <Hyperbyte> mhm
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| 19:58 | || or >> ?
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| 19:58 | <vagrantc> ::
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| 19:58 | <Hyperbyte> !!
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| 19:58 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: Error: "!" is not a valid command.
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| 19:59 | <vagrantc> || and >> are actually used in shell
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| 19:59 | * Hyperbyte sighs. | |
| 19:59 | <Hyperbyte> Today is not my day
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| 19:59 | Well, yeah... but not often.
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| 19:59 | :: is used in C :>
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| 20:00 | <vagrantc> Hyperbyte: there are tons of places in the ltsp codebase where || and >> are used.
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| 20:00 | <Hyperbyte> | |
| 20:00 | <vagrantc> -->
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| 20:00 | <Hyperbyte> vagrantc, you said 'shell' though, not ltsp codebase. But I do take your point. :)
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| 20:01 | --> is nice!
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| 20:01 | <vagrantc> or just ->
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| 20:01 | * vagrantc -> lunch | |
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| 20:01 | <alkisg> Hmm [those] are special too
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| 20:01 | They tell the bot to execute a command
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| 20:03 | <Hyperbyte> Does it have to be one char?
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| 20:04 | <Hyperbyte> Else maybe #?
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| 20:04 | Wait, no, that's in URL's.
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| 20:04 | <alkisg> It allows quoting
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| 20:04 | <Hyperbyte> It does?
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| 20:05 | <alkisg> !learn hi as "hi | there"
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| 20:05 | <ltsp> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 20:05 | <alkisg> !hi
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| 20:05 | <ltsp> alkisg: hi: hi | there.
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| 20:05 | <alkisg> Now let's find a better set of quotes, because "" are too common... :D
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| 20:05 | <Hyperbyte> Oh c'mon! That's going too far. :
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| 20:05 | !learn hi as hi "there"!
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| 20:05 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: The operation succeeded.
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| 20:05 | <Hyperbyte> !hi
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| 20:05 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: hi: (#1) hi | there, or (#2) hi there !.
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| 20:05 | <Hyperbyte> :O
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| 20:05 | It actually leaves out the quotes!
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| 20:06 | Man this bot sucks for code
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| 20:06 | !learn xauthority as "to access the client X session from a local root shell, try: eval $(tr '0' 'n' < /proc/$(pidof -s ldm gdm-simple-greeter gnome-session | cut -d' ' -f1)/environ | egrep '^DISPLAY=|^XAUTHORITY=') && export DISPLAY XAUTHORITY"
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| 20:06 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: The operation succeeded.
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| 20:06 | <Hyperbyte> !learn ver as "to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): dpkg -l 'ltsp*' 'ldm*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}'; dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}'"
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| 20:06 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: The operation succeeded.
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| 20:15 | <alkisg> !forget xauthority
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| 20:15 | <ltsp> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 20:16 | <alkisg> !learn xauthority as `to access the client X session from a local root shell, try: export $(tr '\0' '\n' < /proc/$(pidof -s ldm gdm-simple-greeter gnome-session | cut -d' ' -f1)/environ | egrep '^DISPLAY=|^XAUTHORITY=')`
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| 20:16 | <ltsp> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 20:16 | <alkisg> Backticks should be rarely used in ltsp code, $() is preferred
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| 20:28 | <highvoltage> I'm sure that if backticks are ever used stgraber will instantly replace it :)
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| 20:28 | (well, I've seen it happen)
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| 20:28 | <stgraber> :)
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| 20:28 | <highvoltage> (and even literally- when I was in a screen session with him)
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| 20:28 | <alkisg> Haha better than ogra_ cutting our hands (at least that's what people told me when I first joined here, I've never seen it happen :P)
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