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Channel log from 8 May 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 07:01 | <chrisjrob> i would like rdesktop screen script to leave the rdp username blank, perhaps by adding -u "" to the rdesktop options. unfortunately this does not work through lts.conf, as I end up with the quotes in the username field.
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| 07:02 | prior to upgrading to lenny-backports, i had got around this problem by adding the -u "" directly to the screen.d/rdesktop script, and that worked fine, but i cannot seem to get this to work on lenny backports (the screen.d/rdesktop script has changed a little).
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| 07:02 | has anyone got around this minor issue?
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| 07:04 | <treyh> chrisjrob: what distro you using?
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| 07:05 | <chrisjrob> debian lenny
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| 07:05 | <treyh> yea I was able to get it blank in intrepid
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| 07:05 | <chrisjrob> it defaults to "root"
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| 07:05 | <treyh> but not jaunty yet either'
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| 07:05 | but not jaunty
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| 07:05 | someone suggested to me to try -u '' and -u ' '
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| 07:05 | but i haven't got a chance to
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| 07:06 | <chrisjrob> i tried the -u '', but not the -u ' '
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| 07:06 | trying it now treyh !
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| 07:06 | <treyh> chrisjrob: ty
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| 07:06 | it's a pain for me because I have to rebuild the image everytime lol
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| 07:06 | I need to switch to debian so I don't have to lol
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| 07:07 | <ogra> you can switch ubuntu to nfs :)
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| 07:07 | <chrisjrob> it is very convenient, in fact when modifying screen.d/rdesktop, I don;t even need to restart the client, i can just hit escape and it restarts rdesktop with the new options
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| 07:07 | <ogra> but it will become slower
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| 07:07 | <treyh> debian still using nfs?
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| 07:07 | <ogra> yes
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| 07:07 | <treyh> I'll stay with ubuntu then
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| 07:07 | I noticed a big difference on the clients i'm using between nbd and nfs
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| 07:08 | <ogra> yes, nbd is lots faster
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| 07:08 | <chrisjrob> does a gigabit network solve that performance issue?
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| 07:08 | <ogra> no, because of the handling of the readwrite parts
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| 07:08 | <treyh> I have about 70ish gateway profile 5's on one ltsp server
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| 07:09 | <ogra> nfs has to bind mount every file that needs to be writable into a tmpfs
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| 07:09 | that takes its time on boot
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| 07:09 | <chrisjrob> booting is slow :(
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| 07:09 | <ogra> right
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| 07:09 | thats the reason i switched ubuntu to nbd in gutsy
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| 07:10 | <treyh> ty for doign so, shaves off over 30 seconds on boot time for my clients
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| 07:11 | <ogra> it enforces the image rebuilding though ... even though you usually only do it a few times if you actually need to make changes to the image
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| 07:11 | if its once as you like it there is no real need to rebuild
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| 07:11 | <treyh> yea it's not that big of a deal
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| 07:12 | <chrisjrob> treyh: -u '' ends up with '' in the username
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| 07:12 | -u ' ' cannot launch properly
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| 07:13 | <treyh> yea I tried a few things and couldn't get it to work
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| 07:13 | I'm sure Gadi will have the answer
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| 07:13 | <chrisjrob> -u \"\" ends up with "" in the username
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| 07:13 | -u \" \" cannot launch properly
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| 07:14 | <treyh> you might try changing the line from being quoted with " to ' and not try the u option to make sure it works
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| 07:14 | then if it works, at the end put -u ""
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| 07:14 | inside the single quotes
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| 07:17 | <chrisjrob> no good.
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| 07:17 | running rdesktop from a normal client with -u "" works just fine. odd.
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| 07:18 | <treyh> oh i bet i know hog
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| 07:18 | *how
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| 07:19 | <treyh> chrisjrob: add a new line below where you were just testing
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| 07:19 | make it the same as above
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| 07:19 | but after the = sign just put u ""
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| 07:20 | like
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| 07:20 | RDP_OPTIONS = "-a 16 -r sound:local:alsa -r disk:drives=/media/root"
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| 07:20 | RDP_OPTIONS = -u ""
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| 07:21 | <chrisjrob> okay
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| 07:21 | i would have thought that the second would replace the first, but i;ll try!
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| 07:22 | that will need a client reboot (i was editing screen.d/rdesktop launcher script before)
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| 07:22 | * ogra doesn use rdp anywhere, but would try: RDP_OPTIONS = '-a 16 -r sound:local:alsa -r disk:drives=/media/root -u ""' | |
| 07:23 | <chrisjrob> that does look good ogra, i'll try it next
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| 07:24 | <treyh> lol thats what I suggested earlier!
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| 07:25 | <chrisjrob> yes, but i was working in screen.d/rdesktop, i think you assumed i was working in lts.conf
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| 07:25 | i had long since given up on lts.conf
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| 07:25 | (for this particular issue)
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| 07:25 | <treyh> yea you're right, sorry
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| 07:28 | <chrisjrob> tried both and looking at getltscfg -a, the parser is removing the null value just leaving -u
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| 07:29 | <treyh> try putting a space " "
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| 07:30 | <chrisjrob> on treyh's i got an lts.conf syntax error and ended up at ldm login
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| 07:30 | <chrisjrob> now rebooting with ogra's, but don't really expect it to work given the above.
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| 07:31 | <treyh> yea but never know!
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| 07:31 | <chrisjrob> that's why i'm here - to get ideas - i ran out of them!
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| 07:32 | <chrisjrob> this is where the slow booting gets really really tedious
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| 07:33 | <treyh> how long for one client to boot?
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| 07:33 | <chrisjrob> 3mins
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| 07:33 | <treyh> what are the specs on the client
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| 07:33 | <chrisjrob> i've ordered a gigabit switch, because it's much quicker at our other site which has debian etch with a gigabit switch
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| 07:34 | intel atom 1.6
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| 07:34 | hangs for ages at the pxe dhcp
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| 07:34 | then hangs again for ages at the IP-Config stage
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| 07:34 | <treyh> what kind of server is handing out dhcp?
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| 07:34 | ltsp, windows?
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| 07:34 | <chrisjrob> ltsp
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| 07:35 | <treyh> i know this sounds crazy
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| 07:35 | <chrisjrob> hp proliant xeon quadcore 4gb ram
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| 07:35 | <treyh> but when I switched to a windows dhcp server, my clients received dhcp faster
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| 07:35 | <chrisjrob> ogra's gave a syntax error also.
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| 07:36 | <treyh> darn
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| 07:36 | well if you get a chance to ask Gadi, he'll know
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| 07:36 | i might chance mine to YOURNAMEHERE
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| 07:36 | lol
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| 07:36 | *change
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| 07:36 | <chrisjrob> Please_overtype
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| 07:37 | <treyh> * thinks should I go to work now, or in 30 minutes
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| 07:37 | <chrisjrob> not ideal though, and i will get support calls, as the user will put their password and not change the username
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| 07:37 | thanks treyh
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| 07:37 | <treyh> yes same here, you work for a school?
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| 07:38 | <chrisjrob> no, we're motor dealers
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| 07:38 | <treyh> chrisjrob: thanks for testing
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| 07:38 | <chrisjrob> family business, and i've foisted linux on them!
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| 07:38 | <treyh> wow very nice
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| 07:39 | <chrisjrob> biggest problem is that the majority or corporate extranets are Internet Explorer only
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| 07:39 | and i did not expect that.
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| 07:39 | <treyh> I'm currently the network admin of 3 different school districts and they are taking to ltsp quite nicely
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| 07:39 | <chrisjrob> what country?
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| 07:40 | <treyh> united states
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| 07:40 | what is an extranet?
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| 07:40 | oh i read about it on wiki
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| 07:40 | <chrisjrob> just an intranet really
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| 07:40 | but for business partners etc.
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| 07:40 | <treyh> an intranet that customers can access
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| 07:41 | <chrisjrob> we have major issues getting linux and open source into schools in the uk
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| 07:42 | <treyh> how so?
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| 07:42 | do you already work at the schools?
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| 07:42 | with schools it's all about trust
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| 07:42 | <chrisjrob> no, but i have an interest in open source.
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| 07:42 | the problem in the uk is that afaik they have to buy from approved suppliers
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| 07:43 | and until recently there were no approved open source vendors
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| 07:43 | <chrisjrob> now there is one, so hopefully things will improve.
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| 07:43 | <cyberorg> chrisjrob, i am sure novell and rh are approved vendors
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| 07:44 | <treyh> could you not just buy the hardware, and then give them ltsp?
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| 07:44 | not sure how it works over there
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| 07:44 | <cyberorg> you can add oracle to the list too, they own sun now :)
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| 07:45 | <chrisjrob> i am thinking of doing that with our local primary school treyh
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| 07:45 | <treyh> over here at schools the government has erate and it's tough to work things
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| 07:46 | <chrisjrob> novell is on the list, but not sure about sun
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| 07:46 | <treyh> the big thing that I've found with schools
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| 07:46 | is that if you over emphasize how great something is, they're skeptical
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| 07:47 | because they think you're pushing too hard
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| 07:47 | when I've shown them, I showed them how it worked, told them what it could save and do for them, and didn't push very much
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| 07:48 | has anyone ever tried to run ltsp over a wan?
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| 07:49 | <chrisjrob> it's come up countless times in the mailing list
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| 07:49 | <treyh> i can see it working but need a faster internet connection
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| 07:49 | <chrisjrob> have you used freenx?
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| 07:49 | <treyh> nope
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| 07:49 | <chrisjrob> we have it installed on our ltsp servers
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| 07:50 | for remote access over broadband connections
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| 07:50 | works very well
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| 07:50 | <treyh> cool
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| 07:50 | smoothes things out on a bad connection
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| 07:51 | do you install it on the ltsp server and chroot or just the ltsp server
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| 07:51 | <chrisjrob> uses ssh, but seems to apply lossy compresion
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| 07:51 | very efficient, although you lose crispness of display
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| 07:51 | you just install on the server.
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| 07:51 | <treyh> when using rdp locally, does it make rdp better?
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| 07:51 | <chrisjrob> NoMachine.com do a free-as-in-beer restricted NX server, but that is not NX
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| 07:52 | s/NX/freenx/
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| 07:52 | you don't tend to use freenx locally, unless you are connecting from a fat client
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| 07:53 | not sure quite what you are asking, sorry
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| 07:53 | <treyh> gotcha
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| 07:53 | you know how rdp can be laggy at times
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| 07:53 | <chrisjrob> do you use the compression switch?
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| 07:53 | <treyh> while watching video and etc.
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| 07:53 | nope
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| 07:53 | i would like my users to be able to watch videos with lag but they can't
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| 07:54 | does the compression switch do the trick?
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| 07:54 | <chrisjrob> might try -z for compression, and -x modem - not sure how much difference it'll make
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| 07:54 | <treyh> -z and -x modem together
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| 07:54 | ?
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| 07:54 | <chrisjrob> being a business, video is not very important to us
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| 07:55 | <chrisjrob> can do treyh, they do different things man rdesktop for details
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| 07:55 | <treyh> yup reading now ty
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| 07:56 | wow does make a difference
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| 07:56 | i've used -z before, but didn't notice anything
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| 07:56 | but with -x broadband seems to be working better
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| 07:56 | <chrisjrob> yay!
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| 07:56 | <treyh> i'm accessing one of the TS's over the internet
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| 07:56 | and it is about as laggy as when I'm sitting right next to it
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| 07:56 | so right next to it should be better
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| 07:57 | <chrisjrob> well nx/freenx is to linux, as rdp is to windows
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| 07:57 | <treyh> so nx is the remote client
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| 07:57 | interesting I didn't know that
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| 07:57 | i'll have to read up on it
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| 07:57 | <chrisjrob> i mean in terms of what they do, enabling a remote logon
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| 07:58 | <treyh> yea I'll read up on it
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| 07:59 | <chrisjrob> should be as easy as adding https://launchpad.net/~freenx-team/+archive/ppa
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| 07:59 | then apt-get install freenx
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| 07:59 | <treyh> cool
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| 07:59 | wow
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| 07:59 | i can almost watch a streaming video
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| 07:59 | <chrisjrob> but i haven't installed since this new repository
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| 07:59 | <treyh> over this rdp now
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| 08:00 | chrisjrob: ty for the info
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| 08:00 | <chrisjrob> :)
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| 08:10 | <fs001> Hi all I am using Debian Lenny LTSP5. lts.conf LDM_DIRECTX=True not working. still login via ssh.
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| 08:12 | I dont want to login via ssh. I like ldm as it is very lightweight than gdm
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| 08:13 | Hi all I am using Debian Lenny LTSP5. lts.conf LDM_DIRECTX=True not working. still login via ssh. I dont want to login via ssh. I like ldm as it is very lightweight than gdm
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| 11:32 | <treyh> anyone running jaunty or lenny resolved the blank username for rdesktop yet?
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| 12:12 | <Gadi> treyh: edit the screen script (or wrapper if you have one) and add -u '' on the same line as rdesktop
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| 12:12 | because of the empty string, it has to be inline with the call to rdesktop
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| 12:21 | <treyh> screen script?
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| 12:21 | Gadi: so not in lts.conf ?
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| 12:25 | <Gadi> right
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| 12:25 | /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/rdesktop
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| 12:25 | if you put it in lts.conf, by the time it gets to the screen script, it shows up as: -u (with no argument)
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| 12:30 | <treyh> gotcha
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| 12:30 | ty
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| 12:55 | <rcmysoft> ich habe ein Problem mit meinen LTSP Server 5.1.29 Ubuntu 8.10 mehr mit nbd habe 10 Clients baugleich DellGX110 wenn ich sie als thin clients boote startet meistens nur einer bis zum Login die anderen bekommen ein fehler beim Booten "nb0: Attemptef send on closed socket" und hören mit der Panic auf und lassen sich und hard rebooten. Hat einer ein Idee? Oder vielleicht gibt es ein ltsp irc? Danke.
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| 12:56 | <vagrantc> rcmysoft: auf englisch, bitte
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| 12:56 | <rcmysoft> uhh sorry i will try it in english
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| 12:59 | i have a problem with my ltsp Server ubuntu 8.10 more with the nbd stuff. I have 10 DellGX10 clients. When i try to boot most only on will boot up to the login screen. The res breaks the boot with "nbd0: Attempted send on closed socket" I can only hard reboot. Any expereance. Can somene help me? Thanks.
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| 13:06 | no Idea? It is a ltsp 5.1.29 server
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| 13:09 | <Gadi> could be the network driver is flaky
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| 13:09 | try a different network card
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| 13:09 | if you can
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| 13:11 | <rcmysoft> i tried 2 network cards with the same result
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| 13:11 | <Gadi> any messages in the server logs?
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| 13:13 | <rcmysoft> uhhh there were al lot of different messages in the syslog cant remember all but as i remeber the socket connection was lost and the did not reconnect but the have the persist option
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| 13:15 | i testet different network cards on the server not on the clients but they have 3c905c
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| 13:17 | <Gadi> ah, yeah - I meant try a different network card in the client
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| 13:27 | <rcmysoft> are you sure they sometimes boot but only one of them at one they are different
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| 13:31 | <Gadi> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=790309
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| 13:34 | <Gadi> rcmysoft: I would try either a different network card in the client or see if there is an update to the kernel used for the client
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| 13:37 | <rcmysoft> ok i will try. ist it possible to run two different kernels on the client an the server or they have to be the same?
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| 13:38 | <ogra__> Gadi, if the card was ever used under windows the driver loks some registers and the card cant autonegotiate anymore ...
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| 13:38 | <Gadi> ogra__: !!!
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| 13:38 | when did you get your underscores?
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| 13:39 | :)
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| 13:39 | <ogra__> rcmysoft, did the clients ever run windows ?
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| 13:39 | Gadi, with my new car :)
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| 13:39 | <Gadi> NICE
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| 13:39 | :)
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| 13:39 | <ogra__> (no, i'm sitting in the living room)
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| 13:39 | <Gadi> mine only came with payments :P
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| 13:39 | <ogra__> heh, i paid mine cash
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| 13:39 | <Gadi> ah - the living room has underscores
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| 13:40 | <ogra__> heh
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| 13:41 | <ogra__> rcmysoft, fuer die karte gibts n tool von 3com um die vergurkten register zurueckzusetzen, such dir dass im netz, boote die clients damit und es sollte gehn
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| 13:41 | (ist n floppy image)
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| 13:41 | (sorry for the german, guys :) )
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| 13:42 | <laga> ;)
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| 13:42 | <rcmysoft> i think in former time yes. Ibought them from a second hand shop
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| 13:42 | <Gadi> I have been apologizing for the german guys for a while now
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| 13:42 | :P
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| 13:43 | <rcmysoft> orga_ meinst du ein dos tool
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| 13:44 | <ogra__> rcmysoft, ein dos floppy image, ja
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| 13:46 | <rcmysoft> i tried to ask him somethin. He means that the rgister of the card can be resetet by a 3 com tool i asked him if it is a dos tool i cant find such a tool
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| 13:47 | mist kann auf die schnelle so ein tool nicht finden uhh dieses dos
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| 13:51 | i just found something for setting static irq but i think it isint ment
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| 14:00 | <rcmysoft> perhaps the 3Com DOS-Konfigurations Program
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| 14:03 | so as i understood if a windowsystem was running with the 3com card the rom register a damaged?
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| 14:37 | <rcmysoft> ok found something here http://www.3com.com/products/en_US/result.jsp?selected=all&sort=effdt&sku=3C905B-TX&order=desc this 3c90x2.exe can reset the half duplex and fullduplex stuff an I/o and so did you mean it?
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| 14:54 | <rcmysoft> this is also good article hope thats the thing http://digital.ni.com/public.nsf/allkb/FD24D98FF428F21686256B64007FB6C1
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| 14:58 | <chupacabra> oink
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| 15:07 | <Lns> chupacabra: moo
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| 15:28 | <alkisg> ...and for the non-native speakers, here's the full vocabulary to understand the dialog between Lns and chupacabra: http://www.britishcouncil.org/kids-print-animal-noises-key.pdf
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| 15:29 | :P
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| 15:29 | <Lns> alkisg: maybe i should put that on the wiki...? =p
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| 15:30 | <chupacabra> Phaha
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| 15:31 | <alkisg> Oooh right!!! Hehe I can still remember how funny it seemed to me that the rooster sound is "cock-a-doodle-doo" in English :)
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| 15:32 | <Lns> hahaha...reminds me of the Family Guy episode when Stewie was using the British version of the animal sounds toy
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| 15:32 | "The elephant goes, 'BWWAAAAAP' !" .... "Yeah, kinda.."
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| 15:32 | <alkisg> Oh, the British sounds are different than the USA ones? :-[
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| 15:33 | <Lns> alkisg: I dunno if there's an official standard for any one country... ;)
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| 15:33 | * alkisg looks for an international english sounds dictionary | |
| 15:33 | <Lns> Language as a whole is kind of ineffective imho
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| 15:33 | * Lns prefers telepathy | |
| 15:34 | <alkisg> Mmm I still use pidgin
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| 15:34 | :P
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| 15:34 | <Lns> haha
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