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Channel log from 13 May 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:10 | <dipeshmehta> L - S ...
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| 03:57 | <chrisjrob> i would like to install nxclient as a screen script, there is a lot of very old documentation around mostly conflicting, i assume that it should just be a case of install nxclient in the chroot, and then mirroring the rdesktop script, but does anyone have any pointers or alternative suggestions before i get stuck in?
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| 04:12 | <X-TaZ> # Install the NX server: apt-get install freenx-vnc freenx-server nxagent x11-xserver-utils --no-install-recommends
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| 04:12 | # Edit /etc/nxserver/node.conf
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| 04:14 | <chrisjrob> i have the freenx server installed already, i was rather hoping to get the client software working as a screen script, a la rdesktop
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| 04:46 | <X-TaZ> I have an issue with LDM_PRINTER_LIST='hp_LaserJet_2300_series_14.1.250.10' . It appears to not being used on the thin clients. When I print it launches "default"
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| 04:47 | <X-TaZ> ( its in ltsp-cluster )
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| 04:54 | <sandobal> helo, wanted to kame my first install of edubuntu 9.04 LTSP Server is there some wiki. Or does it run out of box?
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| 06:29 | <X-TaZ> I have an issue with LDM_PRINTER_LIST='hp_LaserJet_2300_series_14.1.250.10' . It appears to not being used on the thin clients. When I print it launches "default"
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| 06:48 | <openstep> hi
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| 06:48 | <chrisjrob> X-TaZ: do you need LDM_PRINTER_DEFAULT="hp_LaserJet_2300_series_14.1.250.10" as well? i've never used this functionality.
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| 06:48 | <openstep> anyone here have experience with multiple ltsp servers in one network?
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| 06:49 | <X-TaZ> chrisjrob, its a ltsp-cluster fonctionality :X
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| 06:49 | <chrisjrob> X-TaZ: i gathered from this http://pastebin.com/f23105b3e
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| 06:50 | <openstep> ok, and can you give me some insight as how hard it is to install?
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| 06:50 | <chrisjrob> X-TaZ: google found it, probably from someone's not working, so be warned.
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| 06:50 | <X-TaZ> chrisjrob, ty, i already read this :)
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| 06:51 | There is absolutely nothing on google about help for ltsp-cluster. This function is by default in the web-admin ltsp-cluster-control
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| 06:51 | <openstep> and have you tired to make it work?
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| 06:52 | <X-TaZ> So i think it could be used. Im waiting for stgraber
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| 06:52 | openstep, talking to me ?
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| 06:52 | <openstep> :)
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| 06:52 | yes
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| 06:52 | <X-TaZ> Well ltsp-cluster is almost hard to install. But works nicely
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| 06:53 | <openstep> is it working for you?
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| 06:53 | <X-TaZ> Yes its working on a test platform
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| 06:53 | I'm using 5 servers and 2 clients :')
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| 06:53 | Working since yesterday :)
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| 06:53 | <openstep> cool, can you help me set up one?
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| 06:53 | I am having trouble
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| 06:53 | <X-TaZ> For sure
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| 06:53 | Tell me :)
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| 06:54 | <openstep> do you have a good documentation?
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| 06:54 | <X-TaZ> https://wiki.stgraber.org/LTSP-Cluster/Documentation/OpenVZSetup
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| 06:54 | Its the one i used, but didnt used virtualization
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| 06:55 | <openstep> I have a working neviroment in s high school
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| 06:55 | <X-TaZ> I'm currently writing a 40page document about it, will be released when school will have noted it
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| 06:55 | <openstep> but with one server
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| 06:55 | and now I would like to add more servers and clients
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| 06:55 | have been struggling with ubuntu 8.04
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| 06:56 | on a test platform to add ldap on one server
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| 06:56 | ...
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| 06:56 | can you tell me how you managed to work?
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| 06:56 | <X-TaZ> i'm currently installing ldap
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| 06:57 | Heheh I followed the documentation that i gave to you 2 mins ago
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| 06:58 | <openstep> what was your base distro?
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| 06:58 | <X-TaZ> applyed this http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LDAP and this and this http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html#id2537753
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| 06:58 | My base distro is 8.10
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| 06:59 | <openstep> server version or desktop?
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| 07:00 | <X-TaZ> server version for 4 of my servers + 1 ( the root server ) in desktop, because i'm working on it ( it the only one who have a screen :p )
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| 07:00 | How many thin clients do you manage to use with it ?
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| 07:01 | <openstep> well, planned to serve 32 with one server
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| 07:01 | but we have an old dos educational software that eats up a lot of cpu
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| 07:01 | so I need to add another server
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| 07:01 | <X-TaZ> If you want to install ltsp-cluster, i suggest you tu read the helps for mille-xterm. ltsp-cluster isnt so documented
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| 07:02 | <openstep> but as far as I know mille-xterm is different from ubuntu ltsp
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| 07:02 | at least network wise
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| 07:02 | <X-TaZ> Well, installing a loadbalancing system is a bit to hard in order to server only 32 persons
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| 07:03 | mille-xterm became ltsp-cluster
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| 07:03 | <openstep> we will transform more clients once I know how to implement ltsp cluster
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| 07:04 | <X-TaZ> I think you'd better split your network in two parts - with a router or a vlan - and connect one ltsp server on each part of your network
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| 07:04 | Hey ok
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| 07:04 | <openstep> no thanks
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| 07:05 | on this site I do not see how to actually install and configure https://wiki.stgraber.org/LTSP-Cluster
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| 07:05 | <X-TaZ> I told you to read the mille-xterm documentation, because with it you can understand better how ltsp-cluster works - ltsp-cluster's website is so poor of informations
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| 07:05 | <openstep> ok, I will
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| 07:05 | <X-TaZ> https://wiki.stgraber.org/LTSP-Cluster/Documentation/OpenVZSetup
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| 07:05 | Just remove the virtualisation parts from this docs and you are done :)
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| 07:06 | <chrisjrob> i would like to install nxclient as a screen script, there is a lot of very old documentation around mostly conflicting, i assume that it should just be a case of install nxclient in the chroot, and then mirroring the rdesktop script, but does anyone have any pointers or alternative suggestions before i get stuck in?
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| 07:07 | <openstep> so start with installing ubuntu
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| 07:07 | then follow with mille...
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| 07:07 | <X-TaZ> Do you have 5 servers ?
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| 07:07 | Or a powerfull one ( to use virtualization )
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| 07:07 | <openstep> one
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| 07:08 | but would like to add 1-2 more
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| 07:08 | <X-TaZ> So you'll need to use openVZ
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| 07:08 | ltsp-cluster needs 5 servers to work ( can be virtualized ) 1 for boot - 1 for control - 1 for load balancing - 2 for apps servers
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| 07:09 | <openstep> what is that?
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| 07:09 | <X-TaZ> the 3 first can be some very old machines
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| 07:09 | what is tha , what ?
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| 07:09 | <openstep> openvz
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| 07:09 | virtualizing?
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| 07:09 | <X-TaZ> yes
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| 07:10 | With openvz running on a powerfull server, you can emulate 5 ubuntu-servers running
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| 07:10 | its cool for testings
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| 07:10 | <openstep> aha, I see
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| 07:11 | so how long did this take you to install?
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| 07:11 | and set up
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| 07:11 | <X-TaZ> 1 week
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| 07:11 | <openstep> 24/day :)
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| 07:11 | <X-TaZ> Nono
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| 07:12 | Its feseable within 3 hours
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| 07:12 | <openstep> first I need to understand how ot works
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| 07:12 | <X-TaZ> When you have a complete doc ( it issnt the case for ltsp-cluster )
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| 07:12 | You have to find loads of things, like asking stgraber many things that are not on the doc, it makes waste lot of time
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| 07:13 | <openstep> since you have it already working can you write it down what to watch out for?
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| 07:14 | <X-TaZ> no :)
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| 07:15 | <openstep> oh, I see
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| 07:15 | <X-TaZ> i gave you keys, and i don't have time right now
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| 07:16 | if you have some particular question i'llbe there
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| 07:17 | <openstep> ok, thanks
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| 07:18 | <openstep> ok, now can you tell me just one more
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| 07:18 | what documentation is best to use?
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| 07:18 | I do not read French
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| 07:19 | like it says on mille website
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| 07:20 | http://www.mille-xterm.org/en/Main_Page
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| 07:20 | this one do you mean?
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| 07:23 | <X-TaZ> http://www.mille-xterm.org/en/Mille-xterm_components_and_features_list
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| 07:23 | this one explains the most how it works
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| 07:25 | <openstep> ok thanks
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| 07:26 | cu later
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| 07:46 | <yoshi_> n
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| 08:34 | <danners> hey i want to install ltsp on a server, with dhcp running on a nother server in my network how do i do this?
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| 08:38 | <Gadi> danners: turn off dhcp on the ltsp server and tell the other server to use the ltsp server for pxe (by setting next-server and filename)
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| 08:39 | on ubuntu, you may also need to add the nbdroot=<ip:port> kernel command line argument to the pxelinux.cfg file
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| 08:47 | <X-TaZ> Does someont here have a fresh LDAP for LTSP doc ? the /etc/pam_ldap.conf in http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LDAP is missing
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| 08:50 | erf
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| 08:53 | <yoshi_> hi everyone
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| 08:54 | <Gadi> X-TaZ: tps://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html
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| 08:54 | oops
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| 08:54 | X-TaZ: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html
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| 08:55 | <X-TaZ> Gadi, ty, but my problem is on ltsp-server side
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| 08:55 | My openldap-server is up and running
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| 08:55 | <Gadi> X-TaZ: if you cannot authenticate, then look at the authentication part of that guide
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| 08:56 | its way down the page
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| 08:56 | <X-TaZ> I want to make ltsp search in ldap ( not in /etc/passwd )
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| 08:56 | <Gadi> right
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| 08:56 | has nothing to do with ltsp
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| 08:56 | just set up pam on the server as described
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| 08:57 | LTSP uses ssh, which means ssh needs to auth properly through pam
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| 08:57 | <X-TaZ> If you read what i wrote, some conf file doesnt exist
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| 08:58 | <Gadi> sudo auth-client-config -a -p lac_ldap
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| 08:58 | have you tried that?
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| 08:59 | <yoshi_> we are thinking of a solution, in junior schools here in europe they are ok with running openoffice and all that administration stuff throught ltsp, but they want to run children programs like robby the rabbit and putt putt and so on also... so there is a need voor windows :( What we are thinking now: we put up a windows XP box and aktivate it so you can access RDP through the webbrowser ( this can be don) also there is a hack you can have multiple rdp connectio
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| 08:59 | is this a good approche you guys think
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| 08:59 | or is there another way to publish these specific games throught ltsp
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| 08:59 | <Gadi> yoshi_: well, it doesnt sound legal
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| 08:59 | <X-TaZ> Gadi, Error in updating the file: 'pam_account' not found
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| 08:59 | <Gadi> the proper way is put in a windows terminal server
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| 09:00 | X-TaZ: what distro?
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| 09:00 | <X-TaZ> Ubuntu 8.10
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| 09:00 | <Gadi> sudo apt-get install libnss-ldap
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| 09:00 | <X-TaZ> I havent finished configuring cuz some files are missing
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| 09:00 | <Gadi> sudo dpkg-reconfigure ldap-auth-config
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| 09:00 | sudo auth-client-config -a -p lac_ldap
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| 09:00 | do those 3 steps
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| 09:01 | <yoshi_> Gadi, well ripping off people with garbage software isnt' pretty either :) but however lets say i install a terminal server, is this the a good way to publish these kids learning games ? or is it done in another way ?
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| 09:02 | i read about seamless rdp also
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| 09:02 | <Gadi> you dont need to publish them through a web browser
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| 09:02 | <X-TaZ> Gadi : in sudo dpkg-reconfigure ldap-auth-config , should i choose the md5 encryption ?
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| 09:02 | <Gadi> just access them with rdesktop
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| 09:02 | X-TaZ: if that is what is used in your server
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| 09:03 | <yoshi_> Gadi, yes but i don't want the full desktop, but i could make a custom schell offcourse
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| 09:03 | <X-TaZ> i dont know what is used in my server. I used default installation
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| 09:03 | <Gadi> X-TaZ: then use defaults there too
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| 09:03 | <X-TaZ> ok :)
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| 09:03 | <Gadi> yoshi_: you can do seemless with the cendio application for the term server
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| 09:04 | <X-TaZ> Well i done these 3 steps
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| 09:04 | root@app2:/etc/pam.d# sudo auth-client-config -a -p lac_ldap
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| 09:04 | Error in updating the file: 'pam_account' not found
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| 09:04 | <Gadi> X-TaZ: have you modified pam by hand?
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| 09:04 | <yoshi_> Gadi, do you have experiance with that does it work fast ?
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| 09:04 | <Gadi> yoshi_: depends on the application
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| 09:04 | <X-TaZ> i've modified the gdm file in /etc/pam.d like the doc said
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| 09:04 | <Gadi> you can try it with XP pro legally with 1 rdp connection
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| 09:05 | <Gadi> :)
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| 09:05 | X-TaZ: undo your mods
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| 09:05 | <yoshi_> gadi mostly is made by macromedia director and flash
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| 09:05 | <Gadi> X-TaZ: you were following old docs
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| 09:05 | <X-TaZ> ok I have gdm.old ready :)
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| 09:05 | Do you know a fresh doc link ?
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| 09:05 | <yoshi_> Gadi, thanks for the advice
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| 09:05 | <Gadi> the one i posted
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| 09:05 | :)
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| 09:06 | <yoshi_> iam reading the openldap discussion here, interessting but what delivers openldap more of functionality in a 50 seats env ?
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| 09:06 | <Gadi> yoshi_: no problem. I definitely recommend testing
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| 09:07 | <ogra> yoshi_, honestly nothing
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| 09:07 | <X-TaZ> this 1 https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html ? ok :)
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| 09:07 | <yoshi_> so why do people want is then ?
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| 09:07 | <X-TaZ> I undo-ed but still dont work
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| 09:07 | <ogra> yoshi_, it makes sense if you have multiple servers or 100s of users
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| 09:08 | its totally doesnt make any sense for a single server with 50 users though
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| 09:08 | <Gadi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/auth-client-config/+bug/295008
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| 09:08 | <X-TaZ> with ltsp-cluster it would be perfect :)
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| 09:08 | <Gadi> X-TaZ: ^^
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| 09:08 | <yoshi_> i read some info on ltsp cluster is it stable enough to work ?
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| 09:10 | <X-TaZ> Gadi, thank you, but "Work-around: Copy the previous profile file from ubuntu 8.04" I don't have the file from 8.04 :X
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| 09:13 | <Gadi> X-TaZ: and if you run: sudo pam-auth-update ldap
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| 09:13 | <X-TaZ> yoshi_, i'm using it with only 2 users. But i read it works with hundreds
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| 09:14 | Gadi, done. To test i have to use auth-client-config -a -p lac_ldap ?
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| 09:14 | <Gadi> try running that again
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| 09:14 | and see if you get the same error
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| 09:14 | <X-TaZ> still got the error
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| 09:15 | <Gadi> do you see ldap users when you do: getent passwd
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| 09:15 | <X-TaZ> hmm no, i see my local users
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| 09:18 | <Gadi> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-server-73/error-in-updating-the-file-pamaccount-not-found-709701/
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| 09:18 | this guy just added the lines to the file and reran the command
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| 09:18 | try that as a workaround
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| 09:18 | but it seems to be a bug that has not been properly addressed in ubuntu as yet
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| 09:20 | <X-TaZ> ** WARNING: Skipping 'ldap-auth-config' (couldn't process)
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| 09:20 | Usage: auth-client-config -p PROFILE -a -t TYPE [-dn -f FILE]
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| 09:20 | auth-client-config -p PROFILE -a -t TYPE -r [-n -f FILE]
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| 09:20 | auth-client-config -p PROFILE -a -t TYPE -s [-f FILE]
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| 09:20 | auth-client-config: error: option -p: invalid choice: 'lac_ldap' (choose from 'ldap_example', 'kerberos_example', 'cracklib')
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| 09:20 | i've retried your commmand line : sudo auth-client-config -a -p lac_ldap
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| 09:21 | Still no ldap users in getent passwd
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| 09:32 | <Gadi> X-TaZ: can you do an ldapsearch of the ldap server?
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| 09:32 | first make sure ldap is set up
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| 09:32 | then make sure pam is set up
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| 09:35 | <chrisjrob> i am trying to get nxclient working as a screen script. i have installed NoMachine's nxclient in the chroot. i have copied the rdesktop screen script and modified it to run /usr/NX/bin/nxclient, but when i set it to SCREEN_07 it complains that there are missing system files from NX. i tried copying some user .nx files and it did log into the server, but never displayed the screen. any ideas gratefully received.
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| 09:35 | <X-TaZ> root@app2:/etc/pam.d# ldapsearch -h 14.1.170.3 -b "dc=ltsp, dc=org"
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| 09:35 | SASL/DIGEST-MD5 authentication started
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| 09:35 | Please enter your password:
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| 09:35 | ldap_sasl_interactive_bind_s: Invalid credentials (49)
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| 09:35 | credentials ? ??
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| 09:35 | <Gadi> add -x
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| 09:36 | <X-TaZ> Ok, well it ltspsearch works . i can see my guests ldap users
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| 09:36 | Now i have to test my PAM, but as you know the command don't works :x
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| 09:36 | <Gadi> right
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| 09:36 | first
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| 09:37 | grep ldap /etc/nsswitch.conf
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| 09:37 | <X-TaZ> passwd: files ldap
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| 09:37 | group: files ldap
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| 09:37 | shadow: files ldap
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| 09:38 | it seems to be good
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| 09:38 | <Gadi> great!
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| 09:38 | next:
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| 09:38 | check /etc/ldap.conf
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| 09:40 | <X-TaZ> this file sound to be good : uri ldapi://14.1.170.3
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| 09:40 | and rootbinddn cn=admin,dc=ltsp,dc=org
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| 09:41 | + hundreds commented lines , Gadi
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| 09:43 | <X-TaZ> I give up :) I'll see it tomorow. Bye and thank you
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| 09:44 | <Gadi> np
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| 09:44 | yeah, sucks when there's a bug like this
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| 09:45 | <rcmysoft> hey, my ltsp server 5.0 edubuntu 8.10 did not work correctly. Clients were booting randomy and carshes. I tried for 7 day to solve the problem. Now it is solved. I just installed edubuntu 9.04 LTSP Server and all my 10 Clients are working out of box, smile
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| 09:46 | <ogra> cool
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| 09:46 | <rcmysoft> ogra: I'm so happy.
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| 09:47 | <ogra> me too to hear that ... especially after seeing your frustration the last week
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| 09:47 | <treyh> rcmysoft: I told you that a reinstall would work :)
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| 09:48 | rcmysoft: did you change the network setup?
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| 09:49 | <rcmysoft> hey, trey. Thank you. I did not chaned anything this time i too the default 192.168.0 network as you told me.
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| 09:49 | <treyh> rcmysoft: awesome, seems like I always had problems when using the alternate installer and changing the subnet, maybe I forgot something though lol
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| 09:50 | <rcmysoft> now i am a little afraid to install suid proxy.
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| 09:50 | but i will install it it should not to take affect on ltsp. or?
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| 09:50 | <treyh> nah should be fine
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| 09:50 | install it on the ltsp server, not in the chroot
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| 09:51 | <rcmysoft> treyh, you were 100% right with you hints.
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| 09:51 | yeah i will istall it on the server, because i need children protection for the internet (squidguard)
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| 09:52 | <treyh> have you ever tried dansguardian?
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| 09:52 | I've used squidguard and dansguardian, and I like dansguardian better
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| 09:53 | <rcmysoft> no. Only squidquard.
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| 09:53 | <treyh> yea either will work
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| 09:53 | * ogra would alsways install a proxy on a separate machine | |
| 09:53 | <treyh> ogra: ogra is right
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| 09:53 | <ogra> and set up a firewall that blocks port 80 for all other machines
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| 09:54 | <Gadi> and change the default access denied pages to something rude and inappropriate
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| 09:54 | <treyh> I usually make mine say, BOOOYAHHHH Denied
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| 09:55 | <Gadi> I usually just link them to ogra's blog :P
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| 09:55 | <treyh> lol
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| 09:55 | <ogra> haha
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| 09:55 | <rcmysoft> ogra: you are right but i have no more pc for a proxy, should i leave it to install it on ltsp server
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| 09:55 | <treyh> rcmysoft: how many users will be using the proxy and ltsp server?
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| 09:55 | <rcmysoft> 12 userser.
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| 09:55 | <treyh> heavy internet users?
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| 09:56 | <jammcq> bom dia
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| 09:56 | <rcmysoft> no just kids. Sometimes taking lessons how to use internet
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| 09:56 | <ogra> hey jammcq
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| 09:56 | <jammcq> hey ogra
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| 09:56 | how's things?
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| 09:56 | <ogra> busy
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| 09:56 | <treyh> rcmysoft: not the best solution but it would work
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| 09:57 | <CAN-o-SPAM> hey jam
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| 09:57 | <jammcq> ogra: hey, jaunty is looking pretty nice. kudos to you guys.
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| 09:57 | * ogra is debugging binutils the whole day .... | |
| 09:57 | <jammcq> CAN-o-SPAM: howdie
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| 09:57 | <rcmysoft> oki. Will try.
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| 09:57 | <ogra> on a bug that only manifests at the end of a kernel build ...
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| 09:57 | quite time consuming and boring
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| 09:57 | <treyh> lol
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| 09:58 | <ogra> ARM is so much fun !
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| 09:58 | <Gadi> build smaller kernels
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| 09:58 | :P
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| 09:58 | <ogra> heh
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| 09:58 | no, we're rather working towards bigger arms :)
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| 09:58 | GYMs for the whole ubuntu team !
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| 09:59 | * Gadi can't help but picture Hans and Franz | |
| 10:00 | <rcmysoft> orga, treyh what do you think about ltsp-update-sshkeys. Is there a need to use it often? On the old installation i had to run it every day. Is it with a working ltsp the same?
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| 10:00 | <chrisjrob> still trying to get nxclient screen script working. i now get a login prompt with SCREEN_07=nxclient and it almost gets to the point of logging in (indeed the session is created on the server) when X restarts.
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| 10:00 | <treyh> rcmysoft: you should only have to run that if your ip changes
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| 10:01 | if it's static you'll never need to run that command
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| 10:01 | <rcmysoft> thats good to hear.
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| 10:03 | oki, bye and thank you for your hints. I am now a member of ltsProject i like linux very much. Bye =:0)
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| 10:03 | <chrisjrob> on the ML i read a comment stating that you should start x with -noreset switch, which i added to the end of the xinit line in the nxclient screen script (a mirror of the rdesktop one), but it made no difference.
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| 10:03 | <ogra> we like you too :)
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| 10:10 | <Gadi> chrisjrob: install a light window manager, such as xfwm4 and make a wrapper script that runs nxclient in the background and then the window manager
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| 10:10 | bbiab
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| 10:11 | <chrisjrob> thanks Gadi
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| 10:21 | <epsas> vagrantc - is there a xlib package that avoids the sluggish X over SSH behavior?
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| 10:53 | <ogra> vagrantc, would you mind joining #ubuntu-devel for a second ?
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| 11:31 | <epsas> does anybody have a reference to the sluggish X-over-ssh performance caused by the xlib in Debian/Ubuntu?
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| 11:31 | this is something that I will need to reference inside of an internal bug report
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| 11:36 | <ogra> you mean the libxcb issue for java ?
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| 11:38 | <epsas> no - the bug that causes firefox and thunderbird (et al) to be sluggish on Debian LTSP
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| 11:39 | <ogra> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxcb/+bug/277069
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| 11:39 | check the bug
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| 11:39 | or https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17868 for the upstream equivalent
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| 11:44 | epsas, and the debian equivalent http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=487635
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| 11:50 | <ogra> vagrantc, btw i think you asked me recently about it ... :)
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| 11:50 | vagrantc, i liked the debian and LP bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+bug/277069
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| 11:51 | <vagrantc> ogra: ah, good. :)
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| 11:51 | <epsas> has anybody tried to downgrade libX11 in Debian? I am curious how it affects everything
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| 11:52 | <ogra> did you try the env var fix mentioned in the debian bug ?
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| 11:52 | if that works we could punch it into ldm until the lib is fixed
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| 11:52 | downgrading the lib will likely get you into driver trouble
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| 11:52 | <epsas> yeah
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| 11:53 | <ogra> since the drivers are linked against the lib version at build time
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| 11:53 | <epsas> okay
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| 11:53 | where would i set the LD_ settings so that all the clients would see it
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| 11:54 | <ogra> either in LDM with a hack to the env or in a XSession.d script on the server
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| 11:55 | <epsas> okay - lemme investigate
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| 11:55 | i guess i need to read the upstream bug report now
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| 11:58 | <Mip5> Hi Folks - I'm still trying to get the nvidia drivers installed so that my thin clients can use them.
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| 11:59 | I've been working on this for several days, but still can't get it. I've created a new chroot environment. Anyone out there want to assist in setting this up from scratch?
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| 12:00 | <_UsUrPeR_> mip5: ok
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| 12:00 | I will be semi-available
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| 12:00 | download the nvidia drivers you are using on the clients
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| 12:01 | <Mip5> Do you mean from Nvidia's site, or the ones that synaptic would provide?
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| 12:01 | <_UsUrPeR_> mip5: after that, cp the drivers to /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 12:01 | cd opt/ltsp/i386
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| 12:01 | <rcmysoft> hey, alkisg my ltsp is working now, smile
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| 12:01 | <_UsUrPeR_> mount --bind /proc /opt/ltsp/i386/proc
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| 12:02 | chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 12:02 | run the nvidia installation process
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| 12:02 | let me know what happens after that
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| 12:03 | <rcmysoft> alkisg are you on stage?
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| 12:05 | <Mip5> _UsUrPer_ - I'm downloading it now. When I tried this last time, it complained about not having the kernel sources. I don't know to specify them if they are not found.
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| 12:06 | Specifically, can the chrooted env access stuff outside it? If not, should I copy the sources to it? If so, where?
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| 12:06 | <_UsUrPeR_> mip5: copy-paste the error once you get that.
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| 12:06 | we'll go from there
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| 12:06 | <Mip5> will do
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| 12:07 | * ogra would just go with the matching nvidia-glx-XXX package, thats precompiled | |
| 12:08 | <_UsUrPeR_> ogra: point that man to it. I do not know where they're located
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| 12:09 | <ogra> i dont have any nvidia HW so i dont know which of the available ones his card needs
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| 12:09 | <ogra> in any case dont forget to run update-initramfs -u in the chroot and ltsp-update-kernels on the server as the last steps to get the module into the initramfs
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| 12:09 | <Mip5> ogra _UsUrPer_ I can find the right one using aptitude
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| 12:10 | <_UsUrPeR_> I didn't know apt had nvidia packages :)
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| 12:10 | <ogra> sure :)
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| 12:10 | <Mip5> ogra - I definitely didn't run update-initramfs -u when I tried it (but I did run ltsp-update-kernels
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| 12:11 | <ogra> ubuntu has
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| 12:11 | <_UsUrPeR_> all my ubuntu installs have awful video cards attached to them
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| 12:11 | <alkisg> rcmysoft: pong
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| 12:11 | <ogra> as well as fglrx
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| 12:11 | <alkisg> rcmysoft: so what was the problem?
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| 12:11 | <_UsUrPeR_> oh wait, except for my laptop... I used envyNG to install those drivers
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| 12:12 | <Mip5> So - if I were going to use the available packages from the repositories - what *exactly* is the process. This is the part that I think is failing - not the actual drivers themselves, but the install into the chroot.
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| 12:12 | <epsas> ogra - would setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/path/to/old/libx11" inside of /etc/X11/Xsession.d/10x11_xcbfix work?
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| 12:12 | <ogra> right, envy is obsolete, its been integrated into jockey i think
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| 12:13 | epsas, LD_LIBRARY_PATH ?
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| 12:13 | epsas, did you read the bug ?
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| 12:13 | <epsas> yes
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| 12:13 | <ogra> where does it talk about LD_LIBRARY_PATH ?
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| 12:14 | <epsas> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxcb/+bug/277069/comments/18
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| 12:14 | * ogra sees LIBXCB_QUEUE_BUFFER_SIZE | |
| 12:14 | <epsas> is the queue buffer size a fix?
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| 12:14 | it seems like the downgrading option definately works
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| 12:14 | <ogra> no idea, apparently nobody replied to the debian X maintainer yet
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| 12:14 | it works on ubuntu
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| 12:15 | i wouldnt count on it working on debian
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| 12:15 | <ogra> the debian X versions are a lot farther apart
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| 12:15 | <Mip5> _UsUrPer_ ogra - would you mind detailing the sequence as to how to install this using aptitude into the chroot. I feel I must be missing something.
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| 12:15 | <epsas> how did you implement your libxcb env change?
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| 12:15 | inside of XSession ?
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| 12:15 | <ogra> i didnt
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| 12:15 | <epsas> ok
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| 12:16 | <epsas> i guess i will wait till vagrantc pops back in to see if i can confer with him
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| 12:16 | <ogra> if you want to set an nev var, look at /etc/X11/Xsession.d/
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| 12:16 | *env var
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| 12:16 | just add a file that sets it
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| 12:17 | <Gadi> (or use CLIENT_ENV in lts.conf)
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| 12:17 | <ogra> so create your /etc/X11/Xsession.d/10x11_xcbfix and set LIBXCB_QUEUE_BUFFER_SIZE=16384 there and boot a client
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| 12:17 | <Gadi> :)
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| 12:18 | <ogra> or that
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| 12:18 | <epsas> Gadi - has this worked for you?
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| 12:18 | <Gadi> no
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| 12:18 | just talking smack
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| 12:18 | :)
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| 12:18 | <ogra> though it might be that you need to have it set inside the chroot already
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| 12:18 | <Gadi> I am more of a butcher
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| 12:18 | I would install old libraries and pray
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| 12:18 | :)
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| 12:18 | <ogra> he's from the gangs of NY you know ? :)
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| 12:18 | <epsas> well yeah, i don't want to install the old libraries
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| 12:19 | heh
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| 12:19 | <Gadi> "prayer - the last refuge of a scoundrel"
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| 12:19 | <alkisg> ogra, if I got this straight, the maintainer said that LIBXCB_QUEUE_BUFFER_SIZE is a compile time #define, not an environment variable. So a compilation is needed for proper testing...
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| 12:19 | <ogra> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=487635#25
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| 12:20 | <alkisg> "the queue size is set at build time, not run time."
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| 12:20 | <ogra> xcb_buffer_size = getenv("LIBXCB_QUEUE_BUFFER_SIZE");
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| 12:20 | from the libxcb source
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| 12:20 | <alkisg> OK I'm just reading the bug report. The source knows better :)
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| 12:20 | <Gadi> CLIENT_ENV="LIBXCB_QUEUE_BUFFER_SIZE=16384"
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| 12:20 | its worth a try
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| 12:20 | :)
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| 12:21 | <alkisg> OK, I can try it locally with firefox.
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| 12:21 | <ogra> if the var isnt set it defaults to 4096
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| 12:21 | <Gadi> still unclear as to what xcb accelerates on a PC
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| 12:21 | :)
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| 12:21 | <ogra> Gadi, but it might have to be set before X on the client comes up
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| 12:22 | <Gadi> ogra: CLIENT_ENV attaches to the ssh call to run Xsession
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| 12:22 | * alkisg is going to try to put this to /etc/environment and restart X and do ssh -Y localhost firefox | |
| 12:22 | <ogra> Gadi, right
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| 12:22 | <Gadi> libxcb is an xclient lib
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| 12:22 | <ogra> Gadi, and it might have to apply to the local X server, not the session
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| 12:22 | <Gadi> really?
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| 12:22 | <ogra> ok
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| 12:22 | no idea
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| 12:22 | <epsas> yesyeah
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| 12:22 | * Gadi shrugs | |
| 12:22 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 12:22 | <ogra> as i said above, i'm not sure
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| 12:23 | <Gadi> all I know is it is black magic that makes things bad
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| 12:23 | <epsas> desktoptng:/home/cpaul# cat /etc/X11/Xsession.d/10x11-xcb_queue_buffer_fix
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| 12:23 | LIBXCB_QUEUE_BUFFER_SIZE=16384
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| 12:23 | i think that is enough -- as these files are sourced
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| 12:23 | <Gadi> epsas: export it
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| 12:23 | just to be safe
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| 12:24 | are we hacking a fest this summer, ogra?
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| 12:24 | <Gadi> I know, I know " all I do is aRM..."
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| 12:24 | * ogra was more thinking about BTS in oct. | |
| 12:25 | <Gadi> ah
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| 12:25 | <ogra> though i'm on a special diet now ...
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| 12:25 | and that doesnt allow lobster
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| 12:25 | <Gadi> welcome to my world
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| 12:25 | <ogra> *sniff*
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| 12:25 | <Gadi> I'll bring an extra pstrami sandwich
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| 12:25 | <ogra> heh
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| 12:26 | <vagrantc> Gadi: luiz periodically asks when you'll be coming back. you made quite the impression!
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| 12:26 | <Gadi> :D
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| 12:27 | I try
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| 12:27 | <ogra> a hackfest would be a good opportunity for me to merge my arm ports in :)
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| 12:27 | <Mip5> ogra - I'd like to make sure i follow the sequence properly. Here's what I'm planning to do: export LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS=false , sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 , mount -t proc proc /proc , then us aptitude to find the proper package ,
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| 12:27 | <vagrantc> i'd love to host another hackfest, as i'm kind of stuck travel-wise.
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| 12:28 | <Mip5> ogra - I'm not sure *exactly* what to do next, and haven't been able to find it in the documentation
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| 12:28 | <vagrantc> ogra: i finally added a ltsp-chroot wrapper that simply sets LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS=false and then chroots...
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| 12:28 | <rcmysoft> alkisg, i made a new install with the edubuntu 9.04. That worked out of box, smile. Thank you for your held, aditionally i added the noapic and apci=off to the pxelinux.cfg/default because the clients are 8 Years old that was it. Thans again. orga and treth tryed to held me to and treth had the idea with new installation. Because he meant that the 8.10 installer ist broken
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| 12:28 | <ogra> Mip5, right, install it, run update-initramfs -u, unmount proc, exit chroot run ltsp-update-kernels
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| 12:28 | * alkisg tried LIBXCB_QUEUE_BUFFER_SIZE=16384 locally (with ssh -Y firefox and right click) => still needs 3 seconds, nothing improved. | |
| 12:29 | <ogra> alkisg, from an Xsession.d script ?
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| 12:29 | <epsas> okay - rebooting this terminal to see if it helps
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| 12:29 | <alkisg> rcmysoft: good to know, congrats
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| 12:29 | <Mip5> ogra - cool. That's it then? That should do it?
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| 12:29 | <alkisg> ogra, no, locally, from /etc/environment
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| 12:29 | <ogra> Mip5, probably, no guarantees, i dont have any nvidia HW
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| 12:29 | <alkisg> Not related to LTSP - the problem can be seen with any ssh -Y session
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| 12:30 | <rcmysoft> alkisg thanks. have a good time, i can relax now, smile. Bye.
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| 12:30 | <Mip5> ogra - understood. Thanks. I know I need to understand this better, especially since we're planning to roll out a few of these setups to server probably 60 clients throughout the district.
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| 12:31 | * ogra would rather go with intel graphics | |
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| 12:31 | <Mip5> Yeah - I would too. Those clients "just work" but these are new builds from our vender, and he's the only local guy around.
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| 12:32 | We're trying to support the local economy (and not having to ship something back that dies is attractive).
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| 12:32 | * ogra would recommend _UsUrPeR_'s ATOM based clients actually :) | |
| 12:32 | <ogra> yeah, indeed
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| 12:32 | * _UsUrPeR_ would also recommend that same client | |
| 12:32 | <ogra> cant your vendor just build you some ATOM based ones ?
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| 12:32 | or deal with _UsUrPeR_ :)
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| 12:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> :D
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| 12:33 | <Mip5> Well, that's an interesting idea. What would you suggest? What's the link _UsUrPer_
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| 12:33 | <_UsUrPeR_> http://www.disklessworkstations.com
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| 12:33 | <ogra> disklessworkstations.com
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| 12:33 | <_UsUrPeR_> check out the 1520 term
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| 12:33 | <ogra> Mip5, the big advantage is that you also support ltsp development with buying there ;)
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| 12:34 | <Mip5> Right - well, that's actually huge to me.
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| 12:34 | <ogra> disklessworkstations.com is sponsoring ltsp events and the ltsp wiki/website
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| 12:34 | <Mip5> I love what this community is doing in particular, and what linux and ubuntu are doing generally.
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| 12:34 | <Mip5> Let me take a look at these...
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| 12:36 | <ogra> _UsUrPeR_, btw, since when do you have the server in your offer ... thats ubercool !!
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| 12:37 | <epsas> okay - i think that this has fixed the problem
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| 12:37 | it is hard to verify as it's such a subjective problem
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| 12:38 | <ogra> epsas, if you are confident. please report that to either of the bugs
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| 12:38 | <epsas> but i am not seeing a delay between right-clicking and seeing a menu
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| 12:38 | <ogra> cool !
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| 12:38 | <epsas> let me try removing the export and see if that changes anything
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| 12:39 | will restarting the XServer (with ctrl-alt-backspace) trigger the scripts in Xsession.d?
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| 12:39 | <ogra> well, it will restart the local X server on the client ... so your session dies
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| 12:39 | <epsas> so it should then
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| 12:40 | <treyh> ogra: what rcmysoft was saying earlier about 8.10 is that the alternate installer weirds out of if you change the default ip subnet. everytime i tried to it didn't work right, and thats what he had done, so I told him to reinstall and leave it alone
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| 12:41 | <ogra> treyh, in the std network setup ? did you file a bug about that ?
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| 12:43 | <treyh> ogra: no, i figured I did something wrong
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| 12:43 | it seemed to have something to do with network manager
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| 12:43 | which is why on my ltsp setups, i remove the network manager :)
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| 12:44 | but I am thinking that alkisg put in a bug about it
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| 12:44 | <ogra> ah, fine then
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| 12:45 | <alkisg> treyh: nope, I didn't file any bugs about network manager (even though I also remove it on ltsp servers). I think _UsUrPeR_ did file a bug report, though.
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| 12:47 | <ogra> heh
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| 12:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg/treyh: what's going on with network manager? The only thing I would/should have filed a bug about is the dhcpd.conf presets for 8.10 and 9.04 alternate install CDs
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| 12:47 | * ogra waits for _UsUrPeR_ to speak up and point to Gadi | |
| 12:48 | <_UsUrPeR_> \ O_o /
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| 12:49 | <treyh> _UsUrPeR_: if I remember correctly, two things. it wouldn't hold the static ip for eth1 but would for eth0, and if for some reason you clicked on the network manager on the bar and then left clicked eth1 (to basically refresh it) ltsp would die
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| 12:50 | also tried to change the ip subnet on the 8.10 alternate installer and couldn't ever get it to work
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| 12:50 | seemed like i was missing something
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| 12:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> treyh: what ubuntu derivative did you install? alternate or normal?
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| 12:50 | <treyh> alternative
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| 12:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> FI: alternate has not given me any problems aside from ltsp-localapps dhcpd.conf scheme
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| 12:50 | strange
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| 12:50 | <treyh> but I was also using an USB eth for eth1
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| 12:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> :O
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| 12:51 | oh
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| 12:51 | <treyh> yea it was so strange, i switched to k12linux
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| 12:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> lol
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| 12:51 | <treyh> for a bit then came back to ubuntu
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| 12:51 | k12linux, yuck
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| 12:51 | wait, let me say that again
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| 12:51 | fedora yuck :)
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| 12:51 | <ogra> usb ethernet might be a udev issue actually ... udev writes these persistent-net.rules
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| 12:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> K12 wasn't too bad either. They have some pretty succinct instructions for installation. I will admit, I have not tried using a USB eth adapter yet
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| 12:52 | <ogra> so it enforces name assignmend during install
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| 12:52 | <treyh> maybe that was it
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| 12:52 | <ogra> if you unplug the usb adapter the device will be gone indeed, but the name assignment will persist
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| 12:52 | <_UsUrPeR_> treyh: do you have the option of adding a second NIC to your server?
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| 12:52 | <ogra> devicekit will solve all that
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| 12:52 | once its ready
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| 12:53 | <treyh> _UsUrPeR_: yes it was a test environment but I switched to a real server with two nics
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| 12:53 | now I only use one nic, with a windows dhcp server
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| 12:53 | <_UsUrPeR_> ahh~~
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| 12:54 | <treyh> and I don't use the alternate installer
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| 12:56 | <_UsUrPeR_> mip5: any news on the nvidia install?
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| 12:56 | <Mip5> I got some errors
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| 12:57 | I took ogra advice to use the precompiled. I ran aptitude first, hit update and then install updates.
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| 12:58 | <_UsUrPeR_> ahh :)
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| 12:59 | * Lns still likes /etc/network/interfaces best =) | |
| 12:59 | <Mip5> I got of bunch of errors during the install of base-files 4.0.1ubuntu5 the part where it tried to install new version of config file /etc/lsb-release ... find:/initrd.img: No such file or directory
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| 13:00 | same error for /vmlinuz and bunch of stuff in /var/cache (though that's probaby not important)
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| 13:00 | <ogra> but it finished properly, right ?
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| 13:00 | <_UsUrPeR_> mip5: ok. pastebot all that stuff after you try to install again
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| 13:01 | I know I have installed nvidia drivers on a client image before. Though it was in Fedora...
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| 13:01 | <Mip5> ogra - it did appear to finish properly - yes
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| 13:01 | <_UsUrPeR_> should be about the same
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| 13:01 | <ogra> /initrd.img and /vmlinuz are just links to the actual files in /boot normally and lsb shouldnt choke when they are missing
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| 13:01 | anyway
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| 13:01 | * ogra calls it a day | |
| 13:02 | <_UsUrPeR_> later
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| 13:02 | <Mip5> ogra I did get this error: Errors were encountered while processing: console-setup
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| 13:03 | ogra - thanks for your help - I'll keep banging away and let y'all know what I find
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| 13:03 | _UsUrPer_ I'm going to install nvidia-glx-new, which looks like the right version for my chipset
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| 13:03 | <_UsUrPeR_> k
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| 13:05 | <Mip5> Can you remind me how to paste the errors? I think I'm not supposed to paste it here, but am supposed to do it some other way
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| 13:06 | <_UsUrPeR_> yeah
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| 13:06 | !pastebot
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| 13:06 | <ltspbot> _UsUrPeR_: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 13:06 | <_UsUrPeR_> there you go :)
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| 13:06 | <Mip5> thanks
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| 13:10 | <ltsppbot> "Mip5" pasted "errors when updating chroot" (427 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/334
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| 13:10 | <magjogui> hello
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| 13:11 | somebody speak spanish here?
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| 13:11 | ok, if no body speak spanish
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| 13:12 | i need help with a little trouble with LTSP 5.0
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| 13:12 | <treyh> magjogui: whats happening?
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| 13:13 | <magjogui> i have troubles with local devices
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| 13:13 | <_UsUrPeR_> magjogui: go ahead with your question.
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| 13:13 | <Mip5> _UsUrPer_ - I posted the whole report incase there was something relevant that might hvae missed.
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| 13:14 | <treyh> magjogui: so you can't get cdrom and usb sticks to work?
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| 13:14 | <magjogui> the usb sticks and cdroms work
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| 13:14 | but
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| 13:14 | whe i try to umount in the terminal, i cant
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| 13:14 | how i can solve that?
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| 13:14 | <treyh> so they are mounted automatically but they don't auto umount themselves
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| 13:15 | what distro you running
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| 13:15 | <magjogui> ubuntu
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| 13:15 | 8.10
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| 13:15 | <treyh> 8.10 or 9.04
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| 13:15 | <magjogui> 8.10
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| 13:15 | and 8.04
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| 13:15 | <treyh> i think the solution would be to upgrade to 9.04
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| 13:15 | <magjogui> i have 2 labs
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| 13:15 | <treyh> and install ltspfs in the chroot
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| 13:15 | <magjogui> actually i install 9.04 too
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| 13:15 | mmm
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| 13:15 | how?
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| 13:16 | i need to make a chroot
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| 13:16 | and then
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| 13:16 | <treyh> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get update
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| 13:16 | <magjogui> sudo apt-get install ltspfs ?
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| 13:16 | <treyh> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install ltspfs
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| 13:16 | <magjogui> ok tell me
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| 13:17 | <treyh> sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 13:17 | <magjogui> | |
| 13:17 | thats its?
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| 13:17 | <treyh> and then when you boot the client, it should automatically add and remove it
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| 13:17 | but of course
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| 13:17 | you could always try just installing ltspfs on the versions you have now
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| 13:18 | and you're using ldm correct?
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| 13:18 | or rdesktop
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| 13:18 | <magjogui> ldm
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| 13:18 | <treyh> yea that should do it
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| 13:18 | <magjogui> | |
| 13:18 | <treyh> try install ltspfs in the chroot first on the installs you have and then if not, upgrade to 9.04
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| 13:18 | <treyh> yes
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| 13:18 | <_UsUrPeR_> mip5: did you mount /proc?
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| 13:19 | <magjogui> | |
| 13:19 | <_UsUrPeR_> mip5: when you installed those drivers?
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| 13:19 | <Mip5> _UsUrPer_ I *thought* I did, but I saw that same error. Let me double check.
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| 13:20 | <magjogui> treyh are you still there?
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| 13:20 | <_UsUrPeR_> magjogui: unmounting USB devices from a client is not needed
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| 13:20 | <treyh> magjogui: yes?
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| 13:20 | <magjogui> why? _UsUrPer
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| 13:20 | i am installed now
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| 13:21 | but i have the next error
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| 13:21 | Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?)
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| 13:21 | Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?)
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| 13:21 | Configurando ltspfs (0.5.5-0ubuntu1) ...
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| 13:21 | and thats it
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| 13:22 | <_UsUrPeR_> magjogui: wait, when you say "unmount them intermianl" -- pertaining to USB devices, are those devices connected to the LTSP client or server?
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| 13:22 | <magjogui> client
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| 13:22 | <treyh> yea that version of ltspfs needs to be updated
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| 13:22 | i think to 0.5.10
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| 13:22 | but i think you have to use 9.04 to get it
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| 13:22 | <magjogui> how i can do that?
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| 13:23 | jajaja
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| 13:23 | mmm
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| 13:23 | =(
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| 13:24 | treyh i have another question
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| 13:24 | <treyh> magjogui: ok ask
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| 13:24 | <magjogui> when i put a usb stick in my server all the terminals can see this usb, why? and how i can fix that?
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| 13:25 | <treyh> i don't think there is a way to fix that
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| 13:25 | <magjogui> ok
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| 13:25 | its a bug?
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| 13:25 | <treyh> not sure
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| 13:25 | <Mip5> _UsUrPer_ - arrrggg! I can't umount it, so I must have missed it....
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| 13:25 | <treyh> let me check it real quick
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| 13:25 | <magjogui> ok
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| 13:26 | <treyh> on my 9.04 setup
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| 13:26 | <_UsUrPeR_> mip5: rinse, repeat ;)
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| 13:26 | <magjogui> ok
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| 13:26 | <Mip5> So - if I redo the process and make sure that proc is mounted, that should fix it, right?
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| 13:26 | <_UsUrPeR_> yeah
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| 13:26 | no need to re-create the client image or anything (I hope)
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| 13:26 | <Mip5> okay - back in a bit....
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| 13:27 | <magjogui> And another question, supously that i install ltspfs and finally i can umount the usb, obviously i need to put th LOCALDEV=True on my lts.conf ??
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| 13:27 | before try to umount on the clients?
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| 13:28 | <_UsUrPeR_> magjogui: localdev=true should not be needed for normal LTSP operation
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| 13:28 | <magjogui> ok
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| 13:28 | but
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| 13:29 | i cant umount the usb sticks on the terminals
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| 13:29 | =(
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| 13:29 | this is all my trouble
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| 13:29 | <_UsUrPeR_> what happens if you pull the USB stick out?
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| 13:29 | because clients logged in should not be able to unmount by default.
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| 13:29 | <magjogui> i can see the icon on the desktop
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| 13:30 | the usb stick icon
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| 13:30 | <_UsUrPeR_> and it remains?
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| 13:30 | <magjogui> just the icon
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| 13:30 | <_UsUrPeR_> you're using ubuntu 9.04, correct?
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| 13:30 | <magjogui> you cant acces
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| 13:30 | noup
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| 13:30 | 8.
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| 13:30 | 8.10
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| 13:30 | and 8.04.2
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| 13:30 | <_UsUrPeR_> hmm
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| 13:30 | <magjogui> and in the 2 its the same
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| 13:30 | =(
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| 13:31 | <treyh> magjogui: will take me a few more to test
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| 13:31 | <Mip5> _usUrPer_ - okay it looks like that took care of the errors. I also tried to reinstall nvidia drivers, and they didn't appear to need it.
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| 13:31 | <treyh> i'm having to rebuild the image
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| 13:31 | <_UsUrPeR_> mip5: so everything appears to have gone ok?
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| 13:31 | <Mip5> I think so. The last thing I did was ltsp-update-kernels, but it didn't take any time at all, so I'm not sure if it actually worked
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| 13:31 | <_UsUrPeR_> magjogui: what happens if you shut off a client that has a icon on the desktop?
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| 13:31 | does it re-appear?
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| 13:32 | <Mip5> I'll check
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| 13:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> mip5: ltsp-update-image or kernels?
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| 13:32 | <Mip5> ltsp-update-kernels
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| 13:32 | <magjogui> everything its ok
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| 13:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> kernels normally takes almost no time
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| 13:32 | <Mip5> okay good
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| 13:32 | <magjogui> if i shut off
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| 13:33 | <_UsUrPeR_> mip5: but you will need to run ltsp-update-image to have those nvidia changes take effect
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| 13:33 | <magjogui> and actually i have another question do you know if i can change the gdm theme for my clients and how??
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| 13:33 | <Mip5> Okay I'll run that now, edit lts.conf to use the modules, and then reboot
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| 13:33 | <_UsUrPeR_> magjogui: yes you can change the login image. Unfortunately, I can't remember where that is :(
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| 13:33 | <magjogui> and if i can change the menus and panels for all the clients ?
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| 13:33 | <_UsUrPeR_> mip5: correct
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| 13:34 | <_UsUrPeR_> magjogui: about menu panels: I believe most of that is changeable too....
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| 13:34 | not all of it
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| 13:34 | <magjogui> how? exist any tool?
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| 13:34 | ?
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| 13:36 | treyh please let me know what happen with your test =)
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| 13:37 | <treyh> magjogui: ok i plugged a usb stick in on the server, and it didn't show up on the client
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| 13:37 | let me test the client to make sure it does umount it
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| 13:37 | <_UsUrPeR_> magjogui: I am not familiar with any tools that exist to change the desktop layout of a booted client. That may be something to ask again later when some other people are around
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| 13:38 | <magjogui> ok thanks Usurper
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| 13:38 | Treyh : (
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| 13:39 | <treyh> magjogui: sounds like you need to upgrade lol
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| 13:39 | <magjogui> =(
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| 13:39 | but
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| 13:39 | i have another installation
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| 13:39 | and i have the same error
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| 13:39 | =(
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| 13:40 | <_UsUrPeR_> magjogui: are you using the same USB key to test between both installations?
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| 13:40 | <magjogui> yes
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| 13:41 | <_UsUrPeR_> have you considered trying another USB key to ensure that it's not a problem with the key itself?
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| 13:41 | <magjogui> yes
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| 13:41 | and i still have this error
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| 13:41 | =(
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| 13:41 | lol
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| 13:42 | <treyh> did you try to reinstall ltspfs
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| 13:42 | sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get update; sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get reinstall ltspfs
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| 13:42 | i think thats the correct syntax for reinstall
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| 13:42 | lol
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| 13:43 | <ltsppbot> "Mip5" pasted "lts.conf" (27 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/335
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| 13:43 | <magjogui> ok
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| 13:43 | let me try
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| 13:44 | <Mip5> _UsUrPeR_ it's not working - I pasted my lts.conf file incase there's an error there
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| 13:44 | Is there a way to see whether the modules are actually present?
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| 13:44 | <_UsUrPeR_> mip5: paste the client Xorg could you?
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| 13:45 | err I'm sorry, paste the client /var/log/xorg.<number>.log
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| 13:45 | <Mip5> Sure - what's the best way to get that?
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| 13:46 | <_UsUrPeR_> in console (screen_02) on shell, scp xorg.<number>.log to your server
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| 13:46 | <Mip5> ok - brb
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| 13:46 | <_UsUrPeR_> then paste that from the server on pastebot
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| 13:53 | <Mip5> _UsUrPeR_ - it doesn't look like ssh is goign on - I can't connect to the server from that cli on screen 2
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| 13:54 | <pmatulis_> hi gang, i'm trying out a new thin pxe client. i get no display. i see that i386.img keeps being downloaded over and over (one cycle of log messages: http://www.pastebin.ca/1421832)
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| 13:54 | <_UsUrPeR_> mip5: you may need to create a password for root in the chroot
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| 13:54 | mip5: and install openssh-server on the chroot
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| 13:54 | so you can ssh into the client
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| 13:54 | from the server
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| 13:55 | <Mip5> Okay - so I do that the same I've been trying to install the nvidia package into the chroot, right?
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| 13:55 | <_UsUrPeR_> pmatulis_: what pxe client are you using? also, what ltsp version, and what OS is the server?
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| 13:56 | mip5: repeat that.
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| 13:56 | <Mip5> ok
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| 13:56 | <_UsUrPeR_> mip5: I don't quite understand what you had typed :)
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| 13:57 | mip5: to install openssh, mount /proc in /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 13:57 | chroot into the image
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| 13:57 | <Mip5> right - that's what I was trying to say, thank you
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| 13:57 | <_UsUrPeR_> and apt-get install openssh-server
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| 13:57 | also while youre in there, passwd root
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| 13:58 | and give it a password
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| 13:58 | <Mip5> ah - ok
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| 13:58 | <_UsUrPeR_> so you can telnet in as root later
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| 13:58 | err ssh
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| 13:58 | not telnet :)
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| 13:58 | <Mip5> right - I knew what you meant ;-)
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| 13:58 | <pmatulis_> _UsUrPeR_: client is by quanmax. hmm, vga is intel 945GM/GMS/GME..., might be due to a jaunty bug. so, yes, i'm using Ubuntu 9.04 serverside
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| 13:59 | <Mip5> fwiw - is there a difference between chrooting first, and then mounting proc, or mounting proc first (to /opt/lts/i386/proc) and then chrooting?
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| 13:59 | <_UsUrPeR_> hmm.
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| 14:00 | <Mip5> i noticed that ogra said it one way, and the documentation describes the other
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| 14:00 | <_UsUrPeR_> pmatulis_: you see nothing output on your monitor as the client boots?
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| 14:01 | <pmatulis_> _UsUrPeR_: i get the standard dhcp initialization stuff, then the splash screen, then nothing
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| 14:02 | <_UsUrPeR_> pmatulis_: do you have a lts.conf created yet
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| 14:02 | ?
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| 14:03 | <pmatulis_> _UsUrPeR_: yes, i have another client working well
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| 14:03 | <_UsUrPeR_> pmatulis_: the same model and brand of client?
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| 14:03 | pmatulis_: could you pastebot the lts.conf you currently have?
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| 14:03 | <pmatulis_> _UsUrPeR_: no, this is new client h/w
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| 14:04 | _UsUrPeR_: one moment
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| 14:04 | <cliebow> pmatulis..maybe disable the slash so you can see whats up?
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| 14:04 | <_UsUrPeR_> cliebow: yeah
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| 14:04 | <cliebow> s/slash/splash
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| 14:04 | <pmatulis_> cliebow: can't parse that
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| 14:04 | <cliebow> figures 8~)
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| 14:04 | <_UsUrPeR_> :)
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| 14:05 | <cliebow> i am known for being unparsable
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| 14:06 | <_UsUrPeR_> #SYNTAX ERROR
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| 14:06 | <cliebow> weeee!
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| 14:08 | <pmatulis_> so "disable the splash" really means change menu.lst in chroot and rebuild image?
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| 14:08 | <cliebow> well..pxelinux,cfg/default?
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| 14:08 | something like that
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| 14:09 | <_UsUrPeR_> pmatulis_: change the file in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 14:09 | in there, remove the "quiet" command
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| 14:09 | <cliebow> or splash.
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| 14:09 | just comment quiet splash
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| 14:09 | <_UsUrPeR_> yeah :)
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| 14:09 | maybe both
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| 14:10 | <pmatulis_> ok
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| 14:11 | rebooting now...
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| 14:12 | <Mip5> _UsUrPeR_ - I still can't scp the durn file.... Can I go the other way, and ssh into the client? I just tried and got a "Your account has expired..." I've never seen that before
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| 14:13 | <_UsUrPeR_> mip5: never tried to ssh into a client before is all. :)
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| 14:14 | <pmatulis_> _UsUrPeR_, cliebow: no good, just when ldm is supposed to kick in black screen comes up and it goes into an undending cycle of downloading the image
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| 14:14 | <Mip5> So - I have 2 interfaces on the server. I should try to scp from teh client (192.168.0.196) to the inside address of the server, right (192.168.0.254)
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| 14:14 | <pmatulis_> no suspicious messages onscreen
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| 14:15 | <cliebow> unending cycle of trying to start x?
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| 14:15 | <Mip5> I get "Permission denied, (publickey, pasword).
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| 14:16 | <pmatulis_> cliebow: yeah, screen flickers, then nothing
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| 14:16 | <_UsUrPeR_> mip5: wait, I got it
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| 14:16 | <cliebow> what u=is your video card on the client?
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| 14:17 | <pmatulis_> cliebow: yeah, see above
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| 14:17 | <_UsUrPeR_> login to the client w/normal login via ldm
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| 14:17 | in there, open a terminal window and run ltsp-localapps xterm
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| 14:17 | <pmatulis_> 14:58 < pmatulis_> _UsUrPeR_: client is by quanmax. hmm, vga is intel 945GM/GMS/GME..., might be due to a jaunty bug
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| 14:18 | <_UsUrPeR_> pmatulis_: did you post the lts.conf yet?
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| 14:18 | <cliebow> yeserday someone else had same issue..perhaps i have archive..ogra helped
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| 14:18 | * _UsUrPeR_ looks up | |
| 14:18 | <pmatulis_> _UsUrPeR_: what's the pastbot thing again?
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| 14:18 | <_UsUrPeR_> !pastebot
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| 14:18 | <ltspbot> _UsUrPeR_: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 14:18 | <_UsUrPeR_> :D
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| 14:18 | <cliebow> pmatulis_, you tried to specify vesa driver in lts.conf ..for starters?
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| 14:19 | <pmatulis_> cliebow: have i tried? not yet
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| 14:19 | cliebow: doing that now
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| 14:19 | <cliebow> at least get a start..
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| 14:20 | <Mip5> _UsUrPeR_ I get "ltsp-localapps not found
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| 14:20 | <_UsUrPeR_> mip5: what version are you running again?
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| 14:20 | <Mip5> 8.0.4
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| 14:20 | <_UsUrPeR_> ONOZ
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| 14:20 | :(
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| 14:21 | ok, nm then. ltsp-localapps doesnt exist yet
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| 14:22 | <_UsUrPeR_> mip5: ok, so you installed openssh on the client image
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| 14:23 | mip5: oh, wait. did you actually run openssh?
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| 14:23 | <Mip5> I think it's going - I get prompted for a password when I ssh root@192.168.0.196
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| 14:24 | <pmatulis_> cliebow: no dice re vesa
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| 14:24 | <_UsUrPeR_> mip5: in terminal on the client (screen_02) run /etc/init.d/ssh start
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| 14:24 | <Mip5> okay
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| 14:24 | <_UsUrPeR_> mip5: also, you made the password for root on the client, right?
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| 14:25 | <Mip5> yes - I made the password (passwd root, and then entered it)
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| 14:25 | I get the same error - though I didn't try to restar ssh, just start. Let me try a restart
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| 14:25 | <_UsUrPeR_> and when you're trying to ssh into the client, you're doing ssh -l root xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx right?
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| 14:26 | <Mip5> no - I used just what I typed, which usually works. I'll try your way though
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| 14:26 | <cliebow> pmatulis_, same thing huh? i could swear yesterday someone was using vesa with 945 chipset...and was asking to add the 945 rdrivers to the chroot
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| 14:27 | <Mip5> no - I used just what I typed, which usually works. I'll try your way though.
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| 14:27 | ;-( same error
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| 14:27 | <_UsUrPeR_> mip5: what's the error again?
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| 14:28 | <ltsppbot> "pmatulis" pasted "lts.conf" (17 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/336
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| 14:28 | <Mip5> Your account has expired; please contact your system administrator
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| 14:28 | <pmatulis_> cliebow: thing is, another client yesterday had the same symptoms, i'm going to check its card now
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| 14:29 | <_UsUrPeR_> mip5: is that from client to server or server to client
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| 14:29 | <Mip5> server to client
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| 14:30 | <pmatulis_> _UsUrPeR_: lts.conf in pastebot
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| 14:30 | <_UsUrPeR_> mip5: just cut/paste the line for root /etc/shadow to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/shadow
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| 14:30 | your password will be the same as the server password
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| 14:30 | <Mip5> cool - let me try that...
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| 14:31 | <_UsUrPeR_> pmatulis_: I'm not seeing the link.
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| 14:32 | normally it posts it in here
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| 14:32 | <pmatulis_> _UsUrPeR_: yeah, it's above
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| 14:32 | < ltsppbot> "pmatulis" pasted "lts.conf" (17 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/336
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| 14:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> ahh, thanks
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| 14:33 | <pmatulis_> cliebow: ah, the other client has the same chipset!
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| 14:33 | <cliebow> pm
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| 14:33 | <Mip5> _UsUrPeR_ I get the same error (going from server to client
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| 14:33 | <cliebow> pmatulis_, i cant remember what ogra said about the 945 drivers..
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| 14:33 | <_UsUrPeR_> pmatulis_: did you have any luck with VESA?
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| 14:34 | <Mip5> Your account is expired....
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| 14:34 | <_UsUrPeR_> mip5: did you ltsp-update-image?
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| 14:34 | <Mip5> No
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| 14:34 | <_UsUrPeR_> :)
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| 14:34 | <pmatulis_> _UsUrPeR_: no, vesa didn't help
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| 14:34 | <_UsUrPeR_> every time anything is changed in the chroot, it has to be compressed with ltsp-update-image so it can be sent to the client
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| 14:34 | <Mip5> So, should I do that every time I make a change to the client?
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| 14:35 | <_UsUrPeR_> correct
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| 14:35 | every time
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| 14:35 | that only applies to the chroot though. Not lts.conf
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| 14:35 | pmatulis_: have you tried to boot the client with a livecd of some sort? I am wondering what drivers it normally uses...
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| 14:37 | <pmatulis_> _UsUrPeR_: that's an idea, not yet
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| 14:38 | _UsUrPeR_: hmm, actually, i think both these clients have ubuntu installed locally. going to check what drivers get used
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| 14:38 | ogra: you there?
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| 14:39 | <_UsUrPeR_> I think he's out for the day
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| 14:44 | <Mip5> _UsUrPeR_ still getting the errors: client -> server Permission denied (publickey, password)
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| 14:45 | Server->client Permission denied.
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| 14:45 | Should I run passwd root again (or will that undo the syncing of /etc/shadow and /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/shadow
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| 14:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> mip5: have you tried from client > server yet?
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| 14:48 | <Mip5> Permission denied, (publickey,password), and then lost connection
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| 14:49 | <_UsUrPeR_> :/
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| 14:49 | ok, how about this: just tell me what errors you see in /var/log/Xorg.<number>.log :)
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| 14:49 | <Mip5> Yeah, I was thinking the same thing...
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| 14:50 | <ltsppbot> "pmatulis" pasted "EE in Xorg.0.log" (5 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/337
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| 14:50 | <Mip5> I'll need to edit lts.conf so that it tries to use the nvidia driver, otherwise I haven't been seeing the errors
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| 14:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> pmatulis_: what is your resolution?
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| 14:50 | <pmatulis_> _UsUrPeR_: so this is what happened when i booted the client with jaunty
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| 14:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> mip5: yeah, do that
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| 14:51 | <pmatulis_> _UsUrPeR_: how do i find that?
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| 14:53 | <_UsUrPeR_> lts.conf: XSERVER = "nvidia"
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| 14:53 | boot the client
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| 14:53 | and if (when) the ldm login screen fails, just switch to screen_02 and vi /var/log/Xorg.<number>.log
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| 14:54 | <pmatulis_> _UsUrPeR_: why nvidia?
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| 14:55 | _UsUrPeR_: k, wrong guy
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| 14:55 | <_UsUrPeR_> lol yeah
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| 14:55 | whoops :)
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| 14:55 | <Mip5> That would be me, (the nvidia guy)....wish I were an intel guy today
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| 14:55 | <_UsUrPeR_> mip5: those 1520s would make you an intel guy ;)
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| 14:57 | <_UsUrPeR_> pmatulis_: ok, lemme see here...
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| 14:57 | pmatulis_: you booted with a CD or the original HDD?
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| 14:57 | <pmatulis_> _UsUrPeR_: HDD
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| 14:58 | <_UsUrPeR_> pmatulis_: if so, tell me what you see for the driver listed under "device" in /etx/X11/xorg.conf
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| 14:59 | <pmatulis_> _UsUrPeR_: it's appears braindead, only an Identifier line under "Device"
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| 15:00 | <_UsUrPeR_> hmm. does the machine boot into ldm?
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| 15:00 | <pmatulis_> _UsUrPeR_: no
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| 15:00 | <_UsUrPeR_> oh :)
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| 15:00 | try a live CD
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| 15:01 | <pmatulis_> _UsUrPeR_: don't have a device to attach right now
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| 15:01 | <_UsUrPeR_> :/
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| 15:01 | <pmatulis_> _UsUrPeR_: will try tomorrow, i'll check in here tomorrow
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| 15:01 | <Mip5> _UsUrPeR_ when I try to boot using the XSERVER=nvidia, it fails (like we expect), however, I can't get screen02 working either. It just blinks.
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| 15:01 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok :)
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| 15:02 | mip5: XSERVER = "nvidia"
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| 15:02 | nomenclature matters in lts.conf
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| 15:07 | <Mip5> Thanks - should it be "nvidia" in the module entry as well?
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| 15:07 | and what about glx?
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| 15:09 | <_UsUrPeR_> hmm
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| 15:10 | what's glx? :)
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| 15:11 | <Mip5> someone mentioned having entry: X4_MODULE_01=glx, and I'm wondering whether it should be in quotes or not.
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| 15:11 | <_UsUrPeR_> oh. hmm... dunno about that
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| 15:11 | maybe comment that out until we have a working nvidia driver :)
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| 15:12 | then we can worry about the glx stuff
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| 15:12 | <Mip5> okay - trying that now
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| 15:14 | Still no go - just blinking.
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| 15:14 | <alkisg> Mip5: why does it blink? What do the logs say?
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| 15:15 | <Mip5> Well, I can't see the logs on the client when it blinks, b/c I can't login to the terminal
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| 15:15 | <alkisg> Mip5: you could either install an ssh server, or get a shell and run X manually, so that it only runs once.
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| 15:17 | <alkisg> When I had installed nvidia, I had used the following lines: XSERVER=nvidia
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| 15:17 | MODULE_01=nvidia
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| 15:17 | X4_MODULE_01=glx
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| 15:18 | <Mip5> Right - that's what I had tried. You have no quotes on either of those, right?
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| 15:18 | <alkisg> No
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| 15:19 | Well, a good start would be to see what the logs say...
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| 15:20 | <Mip5> THanks - I'm definitely struggling here. Right now, my machine isn't booting into x, and that's also killing my shell screen. SHol
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| 15:20 | should I comment out ldm on screen 07 (in the hope that I can get shell on 02 to work?
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| 15:21 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 15:23 | <Mip5> Okay - I'm in. I dont see errors in Xorg.1.log, but it's a short (one screenful) file
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| 15:23 | Where else should I look?
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| 15:23 | Can I examine something related to modules loading (or failing to load)?
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| 15:24 | <_UsUrPeR_> mip5: see anything in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
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| 15:26 | <Mip5> okay - I see that "nvidia" is indicated as the driver.
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| 15:27 | <_UsUrPeR_> nothing in /var/log/Xorg.?.log?
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| 15:27 | <Mip5> In the SubSction "Display" sections, all the Viewports are 0 0 - which seems strange
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| 15:27 | <nikosapi> How do you guys handle the kernel config for mounting of / over the network? Do you load a bunch of network/nfs modules into an initrd image or is it a custom ltsp kernel?
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| 15:29 | <alkisg> Mip5: try to startx, to see if it starts - or to get an error log if it doesn't.
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| 15:29 | <_UsUrPeR_> nikosapi: to qualify that question a bit: normally / is not mounted on the client. The client just accesses the server drives through the server.
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| 15:29 | <Mip5> Okay - using things like "more" in this terminal don't appear to work, so I wasn't seeing much. I opened the log file using vi so I can scroll.
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| 15:30 | <alkisg> (there's less :))
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| 15:30 | `less <file>`, I mean
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| 15:31 | You can also do: scp /var/run/Xorg.0.log username@server:/tmp/
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| 15:31 | <nikosapi> _UsUrPeR_: ah, I didn't know that. It doesn't really matter, I'm just curious about what kind of kernel/initrd that you guys pass to the client :)
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| 15:37 | <_UsUrPeR_> nikosapi: the kernels are *usually* a compressed version of the kernel the server is running
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| 15:38 | <nikosapi> so, no modifications? even to the initrd?
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| 15:39 | * nikosapi is trying to wrap his head around how ltsp actually works | |
| 15:39 | <Mip5> errors on startx: NVIDIA(0): Failed to load NVIDIA kernel module! and NVIDIA(0): *** Aborting*** and Screen(s) found, buit none have a usable configuration, and finally, Fatal server error: no screens found giving up (xinit: Connection reset by peer (errno 104): unable to connect to X server xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error
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| 15:42 | <_UsUrPeR_> nikosapi: you'll need to check with an individual responsible for more information pertaining to the underlying structure.
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| 15:42 | nikosapi: mind if I ask what the questions pertain to?
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| 15:43 | <nikosapi> _UsUrPeR_: I'm trying to set up my NAS so that a media center PC of mine can boot off of it
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| 15:44 | it's mostly a learning experience
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| 15:45 | <_UsUrPeR_> nikosapi: so are you thinking about using LTSP for your MCPC? Or you just want to try booting?
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| 15:46 | <nikosapi> I'd like to do it without LTSP, otherwise it would probably be too easy :P
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| 15:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> I beg to differ. Media transferred from server to client cause a very bit problem with video outputs
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| 15:47 | s/bit/big
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| 15:48 | <nikosapi> I'd probably end up using a "fat" client configuration
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| 15:48 | <_UsUrPeR_> yeah, that may be more your speed
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| 15:50 | <Mip5> _UsUrPeR_ - so the error log indicates: (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load NVIDIA kernel module!
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| 15:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> mip5: and there were no errors with the chroot when installing?
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| 15:51 | <Mip5> How can we determine why that is failing?
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| 15:52 | <nikosapi> have a look in your dmesg: dmesg
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| 15:52 | <Mip5> UsUrPeR - do you mean when installing the nvidia-glx from aptitude? No.
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| 15:52 | <nikosapi> err, dmesg | less
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| 15:53 | <_UsUrPeR_> mip5: did VESA ever work for you?
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| 15:53 | mip5: crud, I'm about to be getting out of here
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| 15:54 | <Mip5> VESA does work.
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| 15:54 | Thanks for your help today UsUrPeR. I'll hit it again tomorrow
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| 15:55 | <_UsUrPeR_> np. Hope someone else will be around too :)
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| 15:55 | later guys
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| 15:57 | <Mip5> dmesg | less didn't allow scrolling, but I cat'd it to a file that I opened with vi. The 2nd to last line is cdpinger [4042]: segfault at 6f72647f eip b7f5a8a5 esp bfb91700 error 4
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| 15:59 | <nikosapi> I don't really know what that means, but generally if a kernel module won't load there would be a clear message in dmesg...
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| 16:07 | <Mip5> nikosapi - ok, thanks
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